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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=5&year=2026&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 10 May, 2026, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website, archives and updates servers are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The SeaMonkey e.V. wiki is now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** The Windows builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
** Windows x86 compiling is currently broken because of a Rust package problem. Needs more backports first.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general starting with macOS 27 so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 20th, 2026
** Next Merges: May 18th, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.149a1 on central. Gecko is at version 152 after last merge.

==== [comm-release253] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiling in c++17 mode has been enabled.
** Under Rocky 8 you need to use toolset 9 now. Standard gcc 8.5 headers seem to have a bug.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 9 and up can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* There are reports that SeaMonkey crashes freqently under macOS 26.4 and higher. We suggest avoiding these versions for now until Apple stabilizes the OS. Searching reveals other application now crashing too quite often.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* Building comm-central is broken because of Thunderbird only changes in shared mailnews code for telemetry and unwanted pref changes.
** '''frg''' is trying to fix it up but needs changes in the mozilla backend too.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (41)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (895)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.24 Beta will be released next. No ETA yet.'''.
** We are still updating the python build code and other stuff for it so that we can support the latest python versions later.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I mostly worked on backporting needed esr and other changes for the upcoming 2.53.24 beta and merging missing translations from upstream into the 2.53 branch. Again didn't have time to look into the comm-central breakage.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* Nothing current.

Checked in:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.
* Stuff from '''IanN''' and '''njsg'''.

Reviewing:
* Nothing current.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53 code is progressing but as usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 31st, 2026, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-05-10

2026-05-10T13:09:44Z

Frg: merge previous status meeting notes in

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=5&year=2026&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 10 May, 2026, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website, archives and updates servers are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The SeaMonkey e.V. wiki is now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** The Windows builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
** Windows x86 compiling is currently broken because of a Rust package problem. Needs more backports first.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general starting with macOS 27 so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 20th, 2026
** Next Merges: May 18th, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.149a1 on central. Gecko is at version 152 after last merge.

==== [comm-release253] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiling in c++17 mode has been enabled.
** Under Rocky 8 you need to use toolset 9 now. Standard gcc 8.5 headers seem to have a bug.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 9 and up can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* There are reports that SeaMonkey crashes freqently under macOS 26.4 and higher. We suggest avoiding these versions for now until Apple stabilizes the OS. Searching reveals other application now crashing too quite often.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* Building comm-central is broken because of Thunderbird only changes in shared mailnews code for telemetry and unwanted pref changes.
** '''frg''' is trying to fix it up but needs changes in the mozilla backend too.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (41)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (895)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.24 Beta will be released next. No ETA yet.'''.
** We are still updating the python build code and other stuff for it so that we can support the latest python versions later.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I mostly worked on merging changes from the 2.53 into the wip branch and on adding recent esr fixes to the 2.53 branch in the last 3 weeks. Didn't have time to look into the comm-central breakage but as long as the code is still there not a big problem. I got c++17 mode working in 2.53 and now can start putting very recent stuff in too.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* Nothing current.

Checked in:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.
* Stuff from '''IanN''' and '''njsg'''.

Reviewing:
* Nothing current.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Trying to get the wip branch further updated but need to update 2.53 too. So as usual robbing Peter to pay Paul and also as usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 31st, 2026, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-04-19

2026-05-10T12:56:10Z

Frg: status meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=19&month=4&year=2026&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 19 April, 2026, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN rsx11m frg njsg

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''Tobin for maintaining the xref and personal file archive.'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website, archives and updates servers are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The SeaMonkey e.V. wiki is now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** The Windows builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Issue with auto updating certs on the update server has been fixed by '''IanN'''.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
** Windows x86 compiling is currently broken because of a Rust package problem. Needs more backports first.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general starting with macOS 27 so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.



==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —
* The Windows builder has been fixed and updated.
** The server had an update problem and probably needs a bigger hidden boot reserved partition.


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: March 23rd, 2026
** Next Merges: April 20th, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.148a1 on central. Gecko is at version 151 after last merge.

==== [comm-release253] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiling in c++17 mode has been enabled.
** Under Rocky 8 you need to use toolset 9 now. Standard gcc 8.5 headers seem to have a bug.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 9 and up can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* There are reports that SeaMonkey crashes freqently under macOS 26.4 and higher. We suggest avoiding these versions for now until Apple stabilizes the OS. Searching reveals other application now crashing too quite often.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* Building comm-central is broken because of Thunderbird only changes in shared mailnews code for telemetry and unwanted pref changes.
** '''frg''' is trying to fix it up but needs changes in the mozilla backend too.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (41)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (895)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.24 Beta will be released next. No ETA yet.'''.
** We are still updating the python build code and other stuff for it so that we can support the latest python versions later.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I mostly worked on merging changes from the 2.53 into the wip branch and on adding recent esr fixes to the 2.53 branch in the last 3 weeks. Didn't have time to look into the comm-central breakage but as long as the code is still there not a big problem. I got c++17 mode working in 2.53 and now can start putting very recent stuff in too.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* Nothing current.

Checked in:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.
* Stuff from '''IanN''' and '''njsg'''.

Reviewing:
* Nothing current.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Trying to get the wip branch further updated but need to update 2.53 too. So as usual robbing Peter to pay Paul and also as usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 10th, 2026, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-04-19

2026-04-19T13:41:58Z

Frg: /* frg */ personal meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=19&month=4&year=2026&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 19 April, 2026, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website, archives and updates servers are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The SeaMonkey e.V. wiki is now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
*** The server has an update problem and probably needs a bigger hidden boot reserved partition.
*** '''IanN''' asked OSUOSL for the partition to be enlarged. When updates are working we will update the server for building and switch over.
*** Fixing up the Windows server takes a bit longer because they are also doing other infra stuff right now.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: March 23rd, 2026
** Next Merges: April 20th, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.148a1 on central. Gecko is at version 151 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* Building comm-central is broken because of Thunderbird only changes in shared mailnews code for telemetry and unwanted pref changes.
** '''frg''' is trying to fix it up but needs changes in the mozilla backend too.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (41)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (895)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.24 Beta will be released next. No ETA yet.'''.
** We are still updating the python build code and other stuff for it so that we can support the latest python versions later.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I mostly worked on merging changes from the 2.53 into the wip branch and on adding recent esr fixes to the 2.53 branch in the last 3 weeks. Didn't have time to look into the comm-central breakage but as long as the code is still there not a big problem. I got c++17 mode working in 2.53 and now can start putting very recent stuff in too.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* Nothing current.

Checked in:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.
* Stuff from '''IanN''' and '''njsg'''.

Reviewing:
* Nothing current.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Trying to get the wip branch further updated but need to update 2.53 too. So as usual robbing Peter to pay Paul and also as usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 10th, 2026, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-04-19

2026-04-19T13:37:36Z

Frg: merge previous status meeting notes in

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=19&month=4&year=2026&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 19 April, 2026, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website, archives and updates servers are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The SeaMonkey e.V. wiki is now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
*** The server has an update problem and probably needs a bigger hidden boot reserved partition.
*** '''IanN''' asked OSUOSL for the partition to be enlarged. When updates are working we will update the server for building and switch over.
*** Fixing up the Windows server takes a bit longer because they are also doing other infra stuff right now.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: March 23rd, 2026
** Next Merges: April 20th, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.148a1 on central. Gecko is at version 151 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* Building comm-central is broken because of Thunderbird only changes in shared mailnews code for telemetry and unwanted pref changes.
** '''frg''' is trying to fix it up but needs changes in the mozilla backend too.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (41)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (895)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.24 Beta will be released next. No ETA yet.'''.
** We are still updating the python build code and other stuff for it so that we can support the latest python versions later.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I worked mostly on updates to the wip branch in the last 3 weeks. Again pretty much a quiet 3 weeks otherwise because of real life issues.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* Nothing current.

Checked in:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.
* Stuff from '''IanN''' and '''njsg'''.

Reviewing:
* Nothing current.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Trying to get the wip branch further updated next. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 10th, 2026, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-03-29

2026-04-19T13:36:06Z

Frg: status meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=3&year=2026&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 29 March, 2026, '''14:00''' UTC]
** ('''10am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, '''10pm''' Hong Kong)
** '''European Summer Time starts again''', thus the meeting will be held an hour earlier! (UTC)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN frg njsg rsx11m tomman

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''The fishes for being so patient with us'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website, archives and updates servers are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The SeaMonkey e.V. wiki is now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
*** The server has an update problem and probably needs a bigger hidden boot reserved partition.
*** '''IanN''' asked OSUOSL for the partition to be enlarged. When updates are working we will update the server for building and switch over.
*** Fixing up the Windows server takes a bit longer because they are also doing other infra stuff right now.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: March 23rd, 2026
** Next Merges: April 20th, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.148a1 on central. Gecko is at version 151 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* Building comm-central is broken because of Thunderbird only changes in shared mailnews code for telemetry and unwanted pref changes.
** '''frg''' is trying to fix it up but needs changes in the mozilla backend too.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (41)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (895)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.24 Beta will be released next. No ETA yet.'''.
** We are still updating the python build code and other stuff for it so that we can support the latest python versions later.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I worked mostly on updates to the wip branch in the last 3 weeks. Again pretty much a quiet 3 weeks otherwise because of real life issues.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* Nothing current.

Checked in:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.
* Stuff from '''IanN''' and '''njsg'''.

Reviewing:
* Nothing current.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Trying to get the wip branch further updated next. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday April 19th, 2026, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-03-29

2026-03-29T13:42:23Z

Frg: /* frg */ personal meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=3&year=2026&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 29 March, 2026, '''14:00''' UTC]
** ('''10am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, '''10pm''' Hong Kong)
** '''European Summer Time starts again''', thus the meeting will be held an hour earlier! (UTC)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
*** The server has an update problem and probably needs a bigger hidden boot reserved partition.
*** '''IanN''' asked OSUOSL for the partition to be enlarged. When updates are working we will update the server for building and switch over.
*** Fixing up the Windows server takes a bit longer because they are also doing other infra stuff right now.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: March 23rd, 2026
** Next Merges: April 20th, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.148a1 on central. Gecko is at version 151 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (41)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (895)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.24 Beta will be released next. No ETA yet.'''.
** We are still updating the python build code and other stuff for it so that we can support the latest python versions later.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I worked mostly on updates to the wip branch in the last 3 weeks. Again pretty much a quiet 3 weeks otherwise because of real life issues.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* Nothing current.

Checked in:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.
* Stuff from '''IanN''' and '''njsg'''.

Reviewing:
* Nothing current.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Trying to get the wip branch further updated next. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday April 19th, 2026, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-03-29

2026-03-29T13:40:02Z

Frg: merge previous status meeting notes in

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=3&year=2026&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 29 March, 2026, '''14:00''' UTC]
** ('''10am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, '''10pm''' Hong Kong)
** '''European Summer Time starts again''', thus the meeting will be held an hour earlier! (UTC)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
*** The server has an update problem and probably needs a bigger hidden boot reserved partition.
*** '''IanN''' asked OSUOSL for the partition to be enlarged. When updates are working we will update the server for building and switch over.
*** Fixing up the Windows server takes a bit longer because they are also doing other infra stuff right now.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: March 23rd, 2026
** Next Merges: April 20th, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.148a1 on central. Gecko is at version 151 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (41)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (895)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.24 Beta will be released next. No ETA yet.'''.
** We are still updating the python build code and other stuff for it so that we can support the latest python versions later.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I agaon worked mostly on build system fixes changes in the last 3 weeks. Trying to get more python stuff in. If I am happy with the changes I will merge them into wip and continue with js changess again. Pretty much a quiet 3 week otherwise becuase real life also wanted some time.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* Nothing current.

Checked in:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.
* Stuff from '''IanN''' and '''njsg'''.

Reviewing:
* Nothing current.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Still working on formatting and fixing the Python stuff in out tree so that we can move now build fixes in faster. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday April 19th, 2026, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-03-08

2026-03-29T13:38:18Z

Frg: status meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=3&year=2026&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 8 March, 2026, 15:00 UTC]
** ('''11am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
** Daylight Saving Time begins in North America!
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN njsg rsx11m

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''frg for this work on python stuff'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
*** The server has an update problem and probably needs a bigger hidden boot reserved partition.
*** '''IanN''' asked OSUOSL for the partition to be enlarged. When updates are working we will update the server for building and switch over.
*** Fixing up the Windows server takes a bit longer because they are also doing other infra stuff right now.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: February 23rd, 2026
** Next Merges: March 23rd, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.147a1 on central. Gecko is at version 150 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
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* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.24 Beta will be released next. No ETA yet.'''.
** We are still updating the python build code and other stuff for it so that we can support the latest python versions later.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I agaon worked mostly on build system fixes changes in the last 3 weeks. Trying to get more python stuff in. If I am happy with the changes I will merge them into wip and continue with js changess again. Pretty much a quiet 3 week otherwise becuase real life also wanted some time.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* Nothing current.

Checked in:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.
* Stuff from '''IanN''' and '''njsg'''.

Reviewing:
* Nothing current.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Still working on formatting and fixing the Python stuff in out tree so that we can move now build fixes in faster. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday March 29th, 2026, '''14:00 UTC''' (16:00 CET).
** European Summer Time starts again, thus the meeting will be held an hour earlier!
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-03-08

2026-03-08T14:05:46Z

Frg: /* frg */ personal meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=3&year=2026&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 8 March, 2026, 15:00 UTC]
** ('''11am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
** Daylight Saving Time begins in North America!
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
*** The server has an update problem and probably needs a bigger hidden boot reserved partition.
*** '''IanN''' asked OSUOSL for the partition to be enlarged. When updates are working we will update the server for building and switch over.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: February 23rd, 2026
** Next Merges: March 23rd, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.147a1 on central. Gecko is at version 150 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (40)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (895)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.24 Beta will be released next. No ETA yet.'''.
** We are still updating the python build code and other stuff for it so that we can support the latest python versions later.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I agaon worked mostly on build system fixes changes in the last 3 weeks. Trying to get more python stuff in. If I am happy with the changes I will merge them into wip and continue with js changess again. Pretty much a quiet 3 week otherwise becuase real life also wanted some time.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* Nothing current.

Checked in:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.
* Stuff from '''IanN''' and '''njsg'''.

Reviewing:
* Nothing current.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Still working on formatting and fixing the Python stuff in out tree so that we can move now build fixes in faster. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|2006380}} Update calendar allowed-dupes for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|2006673}} Use getFormatedString for message window titles

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday March 29th, 2026, '''14:00 UTC''' (16:00 CET).
** European Summer Time starts again, thus the meeting will be held an hour earlier!
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-03-08

2026-03-08T14:02:09Z

Frg: merge previous status meeting notes in

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=3&year=2026&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 8 March, 2026, 15:00 UTC]
** ('''11am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
** Daylight Saving Time begins in North America!
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
*** The server has an update problem and probably needs a bigger hidden boot reserved partition.
*** '''IanN''' asked OSUOSL for the partition to be enlarged. When updates are working we will update the server for building and switch over.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: February 23rd, 2026
** Next Merges: March 23rd, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.147a1 on central. Gecko is at version 150 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (40)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (895)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.24 Beta will be released next. No ETA yet.'''.
** We are still updating the python build code and other stuff for it so that we can support the latest python versions later.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I worked mostly on build system fixes changes in the last 3 weeks. I merged everything for the 253 branch into the wip branch but didn't have any time left to further work on updating it. I also did some reviews and checked them in.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.

Checked in:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.
* Stuff from '''IanN''' and '''njsg'''.

Reviewing:
* Nothing current.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Working on formatting and fixing the Python stuff in out tree so that we can move now build fixes in faster. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|2006380}} Update calendar allowed-dupes for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|2006673}} Use getFormatedString for message window titles

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday March 29th, 2026, '''14:00 UTC''' (16:00 CET).
** European Summer Time starts again, thus the meeting will be held an hour earlier!
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-02-15

2026-03-08T14:00:43Z

Frg: status meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=15&month=2&year=2026&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 15 February, 2026, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN tomman njsg a-865 rsx11m frg Ektus

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''OSUOSL for hosting our infra'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
*** The server has an update problem and probably needs a bigger hidden boot reserved partition.
*** '''IanN''' asked OSUOSL for the partition to be enlarged. When updates are working we will update the server for building and switch over.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: January 12th, 2026
** Next Merges: February 23rd, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.146a1 on central. Gecko is at version 149 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


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* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.24 Beta will be released next. No ETA yet.'''.
** We are still updating the python build code and other stuff for it so that we can support the latest python versions later.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I worked mostly on build system fixes changes in the last 3 weeks. I merged everything for the 253 branch into the wip branch but didn't have any time left to further work on updating it. I also did some reviews and checked them in.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.

Checked in:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.
* Stuff from '''IanN''' and '''njsg'''.

Reviewing:
* Nothing current.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Working on formatting and fixing the Python stuff in out tree so that we can move now build fixes in faster. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|2006380}} Update calendar allowed-dupes for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|2006673}} Use getFormatedString for message window titles

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday March 8th, 2026, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
** Daylight Saving Time starts again in North America!
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-02-15

2026-02-15T14:52:57Z

Frg: /* frg */ personal meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=15&month=2&year=2026&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 15 February, 2026, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
*** The server has an update problem and probably needs a bigger hidden boot reserved partition.
*** '''IanN''' asked OSUOSL for the partition to be enlarged. When updates are working we will update the server for building and switch over.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: January 12th, 2026
** Next Merges: February 23rd, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.146a1 on central. Gecko is at version 149 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (40)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (895)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I worked mostly on build system fixes changes in the last 3 weeks. I merged everything for the 253 branch into the wip branch but didn't have any time left to further work on updating it. I also did some reviews and checked them in.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.

Checked in:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.
* Stuff from '''IanN''' and '''njsg'''.

Reviewing:
* Nothing current.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Working on formatting and fixing the Python stuff in out tree so that we can move now build fixes in faster. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|2006380}} Update calendar allowed-dupes for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|2006673}} Use getFormatedString for message window titles

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday March 8th, 2026, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
** Daylight Saving Time starts again in North America!
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-02-15

2026-02-15T13:52:51Z

Frg: merge previous status meeting notes in

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=15&month=2&year=2026&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 15 February, 2026, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
*** The server has an update problem and probably needs a bigger hidden boot reserved partition.
*** '''IanN''' asked OSUOSL for the partition to be enlarged. When updates are working we will update the server for building and switch over.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: January 12th, 2026
** Next Merges: February 23rd, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.146a1 on central. Gecko is at version 149 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (40)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (895)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I worked mostly on build system fixes changes in the last 3 weeks. Unfortunately not much to report because needed to merge python fixes and now fixing them up.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.

Checked in:
* Some minor stuff.

Reviewing:
* Patches from '''IanN'''.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Working on formatting and fixing the Python stuff in out tree so that we can move now build fixes in faster. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|2006380}} Update calendar allowed-dupes for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|2006673}} Use getFormatedString for message window titles

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday March 8th, 2026, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
** Daylight Saving Time starts again in North America!
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-01-25

2026-02-15T13:49:40Z

Frg: status meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=1&year=2026&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 25 January, 2026, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN njsg frg rsx11m

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''Myckel for python stuff and maintaining the Gentoo Linux version'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
*** The server has an update problem and probably needs a bigger hidden boot reserved partition.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: January 12th, 2026
** Next Merges: February 23rd, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.146a1 on central. Gecko is at version 149 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* We are now actively trying to get Python 3.12 and later support in.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


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* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 20 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I worked mostly on build system fixes changes in the last 3 weeks. Unfortunately not much to report because needed to merge python fixes and now fixing them up.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.

Checked in:
* Some minor stuff.

Reviewing:
* Patches from '''IanN'''.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Working on formatting and fixing the Python stuff in out tree so that we can move now build fixes in faster. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|2006380}} Update calendar allowed-dupes for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|2006673}} Use getFormatedString for message window titles

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday February 15th, 2026, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-01-25

2026-01-25T12:42:48Z

Frg: /* frg */ personal meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=1&year=2026&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 25 January, 2026, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: January 12th, 2026
** Next Merges: February 23rd, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.146a1 on central. Gecko is at version 149 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (40)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (893)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 20 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I worked mostly on build system fixes changes in the last 3 weeks. Unfortunately not much to report because needed to merge python fixes and now fixing them up.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.

Checked in:
* Some minor stuff.

Reviewing:
* Patches from '''IanN'''.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Working on formatting and fixing the Python stuff in out tree so that we can move now build fixes in faster. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* {{Bug|2003130}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.23 final release

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|2006380}} Update calendar allowed-dupes for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|2006673}} Use getFormatedString for message window titles

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday February 22nd, 2026, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-01-25

2026-01-25T12:40:39Z

Frg: merge previous status meeting notes in

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=1&year=2026&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 25 January, 2026, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: January 12th, 2026
** Next Merges: February 23rd, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.146a1 on central. Gecko is at version 149 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
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* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 20 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
'''Happy new year! and we are still here.'''

I again find some time for SeaMonkey in the last 3 weeks but mostly worked on build system fixes and merging l10n as a side show. The final 2.53.23 which was also done alreeady was finally released at the end of the year after we got archives moved.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.

Checked in:
* Some minor stuff.

Reviewing:
* Patches from '''IanN'''.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Working on formatting the Python stuff in out tree so that we can move now build fixes in faster. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* {{Bug|2003130}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.23 final release

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|2006380}} Update calendar allowed-dupes for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|2006673}} Use getFormatedString for message window titles

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday February 22nd, 2026, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-01-04

2026-01-25T12:35:07Z

Frg: status meeting notes for real

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=4&month=1&year=2026&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 4 January, 2026, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN njsg frg

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''IanN and ewong for moving the infra'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: December 8th, 2025
** Next Merges: January 12th, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.145a1 on central. Gecko is at version 148 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Work on fixing the breakage and support for Python 3.12 has now started because more and more Linux distributions use Python 3.12 or higher.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (38)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (893)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release had been done for a while but was held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next, Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
'''Happy new year! and we are still here.'''

I again find some time for SeaMonkey in the last 3 weeks but mostly worked on build system fixes and merging l10n as a side show. The final 2.53.23 which was also done alreeady was finally released at the end of the year after we got archives moved.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.

Checked in:
* Some minor stuff.

Reviewing:
* Patches from '''IanN'''.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Working on formatting the Python stuff in out tree so that we can move now build fixes in faster. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* {{Bug|2003130}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.23 final release

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|2006380}} Update calendar allowed-dupes for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|2006673}} Use getFormatedString for message window titles

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday January 25th, 2026, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-01-04

2026-01-04T12:49:33Z

Frg: /* frg */ personal meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=4&month=1&year=2026&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 4 January, 2026, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: December 8th, 2025
** Next Merges: January 12th, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.145a1 on central. Gecko is at version 148 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (38)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (893)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release is already done but is held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 Final has been released October 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1985637}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1995623}}.
** Older DOMi preferences {{Bug|1985637}} is fixed in it.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
'''Happy new year! and we are still here.'''

I again find some time for SeaMonkey in the last 3 weeks but mostly worked on build system fixes and merging l10n as a side show. The final 2.53.23 which was also done alreeady was finally released at the end of the year after we got archives moved.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.

Checked in:
* Some minor stuff.

Reviewing:
* Patches from '''IanN'''.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Working on formatting the Python stuff in out tree so that we can move now build fixes in faster. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* {{Bug|2003130}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.23 final release

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|2006380}} Update calendar allowed-dupes for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|2006673}} Use getFormatedString for message window titles

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday January 4th, 2026, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2026-01-04

2026-01-04T12:45:02Z

Frg: merge previous status meeting notes in

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=4&month=1&year=2026&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 4 January, 2026, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives are now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL too.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: December 8th, 2025
** Next Merges: January 12th, 2026 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.145a1 on central. Gecko is at version 148 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (38)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (893)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final has been released December 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates weree tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release is already done but is held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 Final has been released October 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1985637}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1995623}}.
** Older DOMi preferences {{Bug|1985637}} is fixed in it.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I again didn't have much time for SeaMonkey in the last 4 weeks but managed to work a bit on the wip branch and merging l10n as usual. Also as usual paid work and real life came first. The final 2.53.23 was also done but is unfortunately a bit held up by infrastucture move.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* Some minor stuff.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey 2.53.23 will be released hopefully asap to fix regressions. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and calendar, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* {{Bug|2003130}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.23 final release

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|2006380}} Update calendar allowed-dupes for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|2006673}} Use getFormatedString for message window titles

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday January 4th, 2026, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-12-14

2026-01-04T12:40:38Z

Frg: status meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=12&year=2025&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 14 December, 2025, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN frg tomman rsx11m njsg Ektus

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''IanN for the big comm shuffle'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website and archives (Done after the meeting) is now hosted by OSUOSL.
** The Linux builder is now hosted by OSUOSL.
*** The builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
** Preparations are already underway to move the Windows builder over.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: November 10th, 2025
** Next Merges: December 8th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.144a1 on central. Gecko is at version 147 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (38)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (893)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final will be released SOON'''.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|2000707}}.
** The website updates are tracked in {{Bug|2003130}}.
** The release is already done but is held up by the move to OSUOSL.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we skipped the Beta.
** Specifically fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and also made recaptcha work again.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 Final has been released October 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1985637}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1995623}}.
** Older DOMi preferences {{Bug|1985637}} is fixed in it.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I again didn't have much time for SeaMonkey in the last 4 weeks but managed to work a bit on the wip branch and merging l10n as usual. Also as usual paid work and real life came first. The final 2.53.23 was also done but is unfortunately a bit held up by infrastucture move.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* Some minor stuff.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey 2.53.23 will be released hopefully asap to fix regressions. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|1999832}} Use PluralForm better for known networks in cZ

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1741049}} Cancel Filter edit dialog closes the whole Message Filter dialog too.

==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday January 4th, 2026, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-12-14

2025-12-14T14:19:29Z

Frg: /* frg */ personal meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=12&year=2025&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 14 December, 2025, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website is now hosted by OSUOSL.
** Preparations are already underway to move archives and builders over.
** The Linux Builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: November 10th, 2025
** Next Merges: December 8th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.144a1 on central. Gecko is at version 147 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (38)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (893)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final will be released next'''.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we will skip the Beta.
** We fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and alos made recaptcha work again.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 Final has been released October 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1985637}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1995623}}.
** Older DOMi preferences {{Bug|1985637}} is fixed in it.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I again didn't have much time for SeaMonkey in the last 4 weeks but managed to work a bit on the wip branch and merging l10n as usual. Also as usual paid work and real life came first. The final 2.53.23 was also done but is unfortunately a bit held up by infrastucture move.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.
* {{Bug|2005739}} Put home button in the SeaMonkey main toolbar.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* Some minor stuff.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey 2.53.23 will be released hopefully asap to fix regressions. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* {{Bug|1995623}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 final release

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|1986545}} Use PluralForm for known networks in cZ

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1995623}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 final release
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1999832}} Use PluralForm better for known networks in cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday January 4th, 2026, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-12-14

2025-12-14T14:13:36Z

Frg: Fiy nits

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=12&year=2025&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 14 December, 2025, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website is now hosted by OSUOSL.
** Preparations are already underway to move archives and builders over.
** The Linux Builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)].
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}.
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: November 10th, 2025
** Next Merges: December 8th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.144a1 on central. Gecko is at version 147 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (38)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (893)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final will be released next'''.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we will skip the Beta.
** We fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and alos made recaptcha work again.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 Final has been released October 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1985637}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1995623}}.
** Older DOMi preferences {{Bug|1985637}} is fixed in it.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I again didn't have much time for SeaMonkey in the last 3 weeks. As usual paid work and real life came first. The final 2.53.22 release caused some regressions and I tracked them down together with '''IanN'''. Backported the bug which made reCaptcha work again and did some cleanups. Updated bugzilla for the 2.53.22 final and removed the last references for the dead 2.57 there. No time for wip again unfortunately.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* Some minor stuff.

Reviewing:
* {{Bug|1999832}} Use PluralForm better for known networks in cZ

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* I think SeaMonkey 2.53.23 will be released soon to fix regressions. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* {{Bug|1995623}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 final release

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|1986545}} Use PluralForm for known networks in cZ

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1995623}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 final release
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1999832}} Use PluralForm better for known networks in cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday January 4th, 2026, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-12-14

2025-12-14T14:12:00Z

Frg: merge previous status meeting notes in

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=12&year=2025&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 14 December, 2025, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website is now hosted by OSUOSL.
** Preparations are already underway to move archives and builders over.
** The Linux Builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus/ Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: November 10th, 2025
** Next Merges: December 8th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.144a1 on central. Gecko is at version 147 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (38)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (893)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final will be released next'''.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we will skip the Beta.
** We fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and alos made recaptcha work again.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 Final has been released October 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1985637}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1995623}}.
** Older DOMi preferences {{Bug|1985637}} is fixed in it.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I again didn't have much time for SeaMonkey in the last 3 weeks. As usual paid work and real life came first. The final 2.53.22 release caused some regressions and I tracked them down together with '''IanN'''. Backported the bug which made reCaptcha work again and did some cleanups. Updated bugzilla for the 2.53.22 final and removed the last references for the dead 2.57 there. No time for wip again unfortunately.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* Some minor stuff.

Reviewing:
* {{Bug|1999832}} Use PluralForm better for known networks in cZ

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* I think SeaMonkey 2.53.23 will be released soon to fix regressions. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* {{Bug|1995623}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 final release

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|1986545}} Use PluralForm for known networks in cZ

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1995623}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 final release
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1999832}} Use PluralForm better for known networks in cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday January 4th, 2026, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-11-16

2025-12-14T14:04:18Z

Frg: status meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=16&month=11&year=2025&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 16 November, 2025, 15:00 UTC]
** ('''10am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
** North American Daylight Saving Time ends!
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN njsg rsx11m frg tomman

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''njsg for finding the recaptcha bug to backport'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL].
** Our infrastructure used Azure but we are moving it over to OSUOSL for cost and performance reasons.
** The website is now hosted by OSUOSL.
** Preparations are already underway to move archives and builders over.
** The Linux Builder OS will stay at Rocky 8 to not add new libary dependencies to our releases.
*** Redhat 10 and its clones also moved to x86-64-v3 which shuts out every CPU before Haswell.
*** We still support x86-64-v1 CPUs for now. v2 might become mandatory later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status (currently outdated)]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We use bugsplat.com for crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun or personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* VS2026 drops Windows 7 and 8.1 support and will not be supported or looked into for now.
** Life is too short to follow all what MS does and don't ask about AI doing work yet.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: November 10th, 2025
** Next Merges: December 8th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.144a1 on central. Gecko is at version 147 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (2)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (38)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (21)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (890)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.23 Final will be released next'''.
** We fixed some regressions which crept into 2.53.22b1 so we will skip the Beta.
** We fixed 2 regressions plus the Linux Close crash and alos made recaptcha work again.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 Final has been released October 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1985637}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1995623}}.
** Older DOMi preferences {{Bug|1985637}} is fixed in it.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal need to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I again didn't have much time for SeaMonkey in the last 3 weeks. As usual paid work and real life came first. The final 2.53.22 release caused some regressions and I tracked them down together with '''IanN'''. Backported the bug which made reCaptcha work again and did some cleanups. Updated bugzilla for the 2.53.22 final and removed the last references for the dead 2.57 there. No time for wip again unfortunately.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* Some minor stuff.

Reviewing:
* {{Bug|1999832}} Use PluralForm better for known networks in cZ

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* I think SeaMonkey 2.53.23 will be released soon to fix regressions. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* {{Bug|1995623}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 final release

Checked in for 2.53.23+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|1986545}} Use PluralForm for known networks in cZ

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1995623}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 final release
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1999832}} Use PluralForm better for known networks in cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday December 7th, 2025, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-11-16

2025-11-16T13:08:46Z

Frg: /* frg */ personal meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=16&month=11&year=2025&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 16 November, 2025, 15:00 UTC]
** ('''10am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
** North American Daylight Saving Time ends!
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' has got a grant from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
** We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL] soon.
** Preparations are already underway starting with the website and archives.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: November 10th, 2025
** Next Merges: December 8th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.144a1 on central. Gecko is at version 147 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (2)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (38)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (21)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (890)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 Final has been released October 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1985637}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1995623}}.
** Older DOMi preferences {{Bug|1985637}} is fixed in it.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta was released on September 22nd, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1985638}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
** The Windows release will be shipped unsigned again. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
** NSS was updated to the latest ESR 128 level and the dbm compatibility module has been dropped. Paasswords from pre 2.53.x builds will no longer be migrated.
** tr is now being translated and shipped with 2.53.22b1.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I again didn't have much time for SeaMonkey in the last 3 weeks. As usual paid work and real life came first. The final 2.53.22 release caused some regressions and I tracked them down together with '''IanN'''. Backported the bug which made reCaptcha work again and did some cleanups. Updated bugzilla for the 2.53.22 final and removed the last references for the dead 2.57 there. No time for wip again unfortunately.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* Some minor stuff.

Reviewing:
* {{Bug|1999832}} Use PluralForm better for known networks in cZ

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* I think SeaMonkey 2.53.23 will be released soon to fix regressions. As usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|1991346}} Replace in-tree consumer of non-standard Iterator() with Object.{values,entries} in DOMi
* {{Bug|1892999}} Calendar Color Chooser Unresponsive After Calendar Creation

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1995623}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 final release
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1986545}} Use PluralForm for known networks in cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday December 7th, 2025, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET, end of North American Daylight Saving Time!).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-11-16

2025-11-16T13:02:03Z

Frg: merge previous status meeting notes in

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=16&month=11&year=2025&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 16 November, 2025, 15:00 UTC]
** ('''10am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
** North American Daylight Saving Time ends!
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' has got a grant from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
** We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL] soon.
** Preparations are already underway starting with the website and archives.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: November 10th, 2025
** Next Merges: December 8th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.144a1 on central. Gecko is at version 147 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (2)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (38)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (21)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (890)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 Final has been released October 31st, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1985637}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1995623}}.
** Older DOMi preferences {{Bug|1985637}} is fixed in it.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta was released on September 22nd, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1985638}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
** The Windows release will be shipped unsigned again. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
** NSS was updated to the latest ESR 128 level and the dbm compatibility module has been dropped. Paasswords from pre 2.53.x builds will no longer be migrated.
** tr is now being translated and shipped with 2.53.22b1.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 18 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I again didn't have much time for SeaMonkey in the last 3 weeks. As usual paid work and real life came first. Did the final 2.533.22 release including 2 regression fixes and a few sec updates with '''IanN'''. Managed to do a few updates to the prerelease yesterday. No time for wip unfortunately.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey 2.53.22 final will be released soon and as usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|1991346}} Replace in-tree consumer of non-standard Iterator() with Object.{values,entries} in DOMi
* {{Bug|1892999}} Calendar Color Chooser Unresponsive After Calendar Creation

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1995623}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 final release
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1986545}} Use PluralForm for known networks in cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday December 7th, 2025, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET, end of North American Daylight Saving Time!).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-10-26

2025-11-16T13:00:15Z

Frg: status meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=26&month=10&year=2025&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 26 October, 2025, '''15:00 UTC''']
** ('''11am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, '''11pm''' Hong Kong)
** European Summer Time ends!
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN frg rsx11m njsg

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''mcsmurf for his efforts with Microsoft to claim back charges from excess traffic of a bot attack on our CDN'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' has got a grant from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
** We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL] soon.
** Preparations are already underway starting with the website and archives.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: October 13th, 2025
** Next Merges: November 10th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.143a1 on central. Gecko is at version 146 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (75)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (845)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 Final will be released soon'''.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|1985637}}.
** The website updates are tracked in {{Bug|1995623}}.
** Older DOMi preferences {{Bug|1985637}} will be fixed in it.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta was released on September 22nd, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1985638}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
** The Windows release will be shipped unsigned again. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
** NSS was updated to the latest ESR 128 level and the dbm compatibility module has been dropped. Paasswords from pre 2.53.x builds will no longer be migrated.
** tr is now being translated and shipped with 2.53.22b1.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I again didn't have much time for SeaMonkey in the last 3 weeks. As usual paid work and real life came first. Did the final 2.533.22 release including 2 regression fixes and a few sec updates with '''IanN'''. Managed to do a few updates to the prerelease yesterday. No time for wip unfortunately.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey 2.53.22 final will be released soon and as usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|1991346}} Replace in-tree consumer of non-standard Iterator() with Object.{values,entries} in DOMi
* {{Bug|1892999}} Calendar Color Chooser Unresponsive After Calendar Creation

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1995623}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 final release
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1986545}} Use PluralForm for known networks in cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday November 16th, 2025, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET, end of North American Daylight Saving Time!).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings

2025-11-07T21:42:04Z

Frg: fix schedule

{{SeaMonkey-Resources}}
Status meetings for [[SeaMonkey]] are scheduled triweekly on Sundays at '''15:00 UTC''' (or '''14:00 UTC''' when [[Wikipedia:European Summer Time|European Summer Time]] is in effect) in the [ircs://Libera.Chat/SeaMonkey Libera.Chat #SeaMonkey channel] on IRC. This corresponds to 16:00 CET (Central European Time) and 23:00 (22:00) for Beijing/Hong Kong/Kuala Lumpur. Note that Daylight Saving Time is ''now again'' observed, the UTC time thus changes depending on European time:


* From the last Sunday of March to the day before last Sunday of October: 14:00 UTC
* From the last Sunday of October to the day before last Sunday of March: 15:00 UTC

Watch the [news://news.aioe.org/alt.comp.software.seamonkey alt.comp.software.seamonkey newsgroup] or the [https://groups.google.com/a/lists.mozilla.org/g/dev-apps-seamonkey/ ''dev-apps-seamonkey'' mailing list] for agendas and other details.

A brief guide on how to take the Meeting Notes can be found at [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/WritingTheMeetingNotes|Writing the Meeting Notes]].

'''Meeting Notes (agendas + minutes)'''
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-10-26|October 26, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-10-05|October 5, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-09-14|September 14, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-08-24|August 24, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-08-03|August 3, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-07-06|July 6, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-06-15|June 15, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-05-25|May 25, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-04-27|April 27, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-03-30|March 30, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-03-09|March 9, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-02-16|February 16, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-01-26|January 26, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-01-05|January 5, 2025]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-12-08|December 8, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-11-10|November 10, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-10-20|October 20, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-09-29|September 29, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-09-08|September 8, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-08-18|August 18, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-07-28|July 28, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-07-07|July 7, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-06-16|June 16, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-06-02|June 2, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-05-12|May 12, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-04-14|April 14, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-03-24|March 24, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-03-10|March 10, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-02-18|February 18, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-01-28|January 28, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-01-07|January 7, 2024]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-12-17|December 17, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-12-03|December 3, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-11-12|November 12, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-10-22|October 22, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-10-01|October 1, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-09-10|September 10, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-08-20|August 20, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-07-30|July 30, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-07-09|July 9, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-06-18|June 18, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-28|May 28, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07|May 7, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-04-16|April 16, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-03-19|March 19, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-02-26|February 26, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-02-05|February 5, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-01-15|January 15, 2023]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-12-11|December 11, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-11-20|November 20, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-10-30|October 30, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-10-09|October 9, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-09-18|September 18, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-08-28|August 28, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-08-07|August 7, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-07-17|July 17, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-06-26|June 26, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-06-05|June 5, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-05-22|May 22, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-05-08|May 8, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-04-17|April 17, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-04-03|April 3, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-03-20|March 20, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-03-06|March 6, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-02-20|February 20, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-02-06|February 6, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-01-23|January 23, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2022-01-09|January 9, 2022]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-12-19|December 19, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-12-05|December 5, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-11-14|November 14, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-10-31|October 31, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-10-17|October 17, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-10-03|October 3, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-09-19|September 19, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-09-05|September 5, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-08-22|August 22, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-08-08|August 8, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-07-25|July 25, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-07-11|July 11, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-06-27|June 27, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-06-13|June 13, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-05-30|May 30, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-05-16|May 16, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-05-02|May 2, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-04-18|April 18, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-04-04|April 4, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-03-21|March 21, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-03-07|March 7, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-02-21|February 21, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-02-07|February 7, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-01-24|January 24, 2021]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2021-01-10|January 10, 2021]]
* December 27, 2020 - no meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-12-13|December 13, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-11-29|November 29, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-11-15|November 15, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-11-01|November 1, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-10-18|October 18, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-10-04|October 4, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-09-20|September 20, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-09-06|September 6, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-08-23|August 23, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-08-09|August 9, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-07-26|July 26, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-07-12|July 12, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-06-28|June 28, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-06-14|June 14, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-05-31|May 31, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-05-17|May 17, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-05-03|May 3, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-04-19|April 19, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-04-05|April 5, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-03-22|March 22, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-03-08|March 8, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-02-23|February 23, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-02-09|February 9, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-01-26|January 26, 2020]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-01-12|January 12, 2020]]
* December 29, 2019 - no meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-12-15|December 15, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-11-24|November 24, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-11-10|November 10, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-10-27|October 27, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-10-13|October 13, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-09-29|September 29, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-09-15|September 15, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-09-01|September 1, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-08-11|August 11, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-07-21|July 21, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-06-30|June 30, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-06-09|June 9, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-05-26|May 26, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-05-12|May 12, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-04-28|April 28, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-04-14|April 14, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-03-30|March 30, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-03-16|March 16, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-03-02|March 2, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-02-17|February 17, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-02-03|February 3, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-01-20|January 20, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2019-01-06|January 6, 2019]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-12-16|December 16, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-12-02|December 2, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-11-11|November 11, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-10-28|October 28, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-10-14|October 14, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-09-30|September 30, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-09-16|September 16, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-09-02|September 2, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-08-19|August 19, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-08-05|August 5, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-07-22|July 22, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-07-08|July 8, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-06-24|June 24, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-06-10|June 10, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-05-27|May 27, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-05-13|May 13, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-04-22|April 22, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-04-08|April 8, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-03-25|March 25, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-03-04|March 4, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-02-18|February 18, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-02-04|February 4, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-01-21|January 21, 2018]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-01-07|January 7, 2018]]
* December 24, 2017 - no meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-12-10|December 10, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-11-26|November 26, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-11-12|November 12, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-10-29|October 29, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-10-15|October 15, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-10-01|October 1, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-09-17|September 17, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-09-03|September 3, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-08-20|August 20, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-08-06|August 6, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-07-23|July 23, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-07-09|July 9, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-06-25|June 25, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-06-18|June 18, 2017]] ''(postponed)''
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-06-04|June 4, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-05-21|May 21, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-05-07|May 7, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-04-23|April 23, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-04-02|April 2, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-03-19|March 19, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-03-05|March 5, 2017]] ''(Sunday)''
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-02-21|February 21, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-02-07|February 7, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-24|January 24, 2017]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-10|January 10, 2017]]
* December 20, 2016 - no meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-12-06|December 6, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-11-22|November 22, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-11-08|November 8, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-25|October 25, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-11|October 11, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-09-27|September 27, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-09-13|September 13, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-08-30|August 30, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-08-16|August 16, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-08-03|August 3, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-07-19|July 19, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-07-05|July 5, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-21|June 21, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-07|June 7, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-24|May 24, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-10|May 10, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-04-26|April 26, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-04-12|April 12, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-03-29|March 29, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-03-15|March 15, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-03-01|March 1, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-02-16|February 16, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-02-02|February 2, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-01-19|January 19, 2016]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-01-05|January 5, 2016]]
* December 22, 2015 - no meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-12-08|December 8, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-11-24|November 24, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-11-10|November 10, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-10-27|October 27, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-10-13|October 13, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-09-29|September 29, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-09-15|September 15, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-09-01|September 1, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-08-18|August 18, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-08-04|August 4, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-07-21|July 21, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-07-07|July 7, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-06-23|June 23, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-06-09|June 9, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-05-26|May 26, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-05-12|May 12, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-04-28|April 28, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-04-14|April 14, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-03-31|March 31, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-03-17|March 17, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-03-03|March 3, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-02-17|February 17, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-02-03|February 3, 2015]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-01-20|January 20, 2015]]
* January 06, 2015 - no meeting
* December 23, 2014 - no meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-12-09|December 9, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-11-25|November 25, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-11-11|November 11, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-10-28|October 28, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-10-14|October 14, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-09-30|September 30, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-09-16|September 16, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-09-02|September 2, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-08-19|August 19, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-08-05|August 5, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-07-22|July 22, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-07-08|July 8, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-06-24|June 24, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-06-10|June 10, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-05-27|May 27, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-05-13|May 13, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-04-29|April 29, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-04-15|April 15, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-04-01|April 1, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-03-18|March 18, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-03-04|March 4, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-02-18|February 18, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-02-04|February 4, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-01-21|January 21, 2014]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-01-07|January 7, 2014]]
* December 24, 2013 - no meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-12-10|December 10, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-11-26|November 26, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-11-12|November 12, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-10-29|October 29, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-10-15|October 15, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-10-01|October 1, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-09-17|September 17, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-09-03|September 03, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-08-20|August 20, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-08-06|August 6, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-07-23|July 23, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-07-09|July 9, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-06-25|June 25, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-06-11|June 11, 2013]] - no meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-05-28|May 28, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-05-14|May 14, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-04-30|April 30, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-04-16|April 16, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-04-02|April 2, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-03-19|March 19, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-03-05|March 5, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-02-19|February 19, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-02-05|February 5, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-01-22|January 22, 2013]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2013-01-08|January 8, 2013]]
* December 25, 2012 - no meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-12-11|December 11, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-11-27|November 27, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-11-13|November 13, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-10-30|October 30, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-10-16|October 16, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-10-02|October 2, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-09-18|September 18, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-09-04|September 4, 2012]]
* August 21, 2012 - no meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-08-07|August 7, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-07-24|July 24, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-07-10|July 10, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-06-26|June 26, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-06-12|June 12, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-05-29|May 29, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-05-15|May 15, 2012]]
* May 1, 2012 - no meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-04-17|April 17, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-04-03|April 3, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-03-20|March 20, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-03-06|March 6, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-02-21|February 21, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-02-07|February 7, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-01-24|January 24, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2012-01-10|January 10, 2012]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-12-13|December 13, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-11-29|November 29, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-11-15|November 15, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-11-01|November 1, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-10-18|October 18, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-10-04|October 4, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-09-20|September 20, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-09-06|September 06, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-08-23|August 23, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-08-09|August 09, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-07-26|July 26, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-07-12|July 12, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-06-28|June 28, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-06-14|June 14, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-05-31|May 31, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-05-17|May 17, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-05-03|May 03, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-04-19|April 19, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-04-05|April 05, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-03-22|March 22, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-03-08|March 08, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-02-22|February 22, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-02-08|February 08, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-01-25|January 25, 2011]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-01-11|January 11, 2011]]
* December 28, 2010 - no meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-12-14|December 14, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-11-30|November 30, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-11-16|November 16, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-11-02|November 02, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-10-19|October 19, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-10-05|October 05, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-09-21|September 21, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-09-07|September 07, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-08-24|August 24, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-08-10|August 10, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-07-27|July 27, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-07-13|July 13, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-06-29|June 29, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-06-15|June 15, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-06-01|June 01, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-05-18|May 18, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-05-04|May 04, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-04-20|April 20, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-04-06|April 06, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-03-23|March 23, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-03-09|March 09, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-02-23|February 23, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-02-09|February 09, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-01-26|January 26, 2010]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2010-01-12|January 12, 2010]]
* December 29, 2009 - no meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-12-15|December 15, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-12-01|December 01, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-11-17|November 17, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-11-03|November 03, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-10-20|October 20, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-10-06|October 06, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-09-22|September 22, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-09-08|September 08, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-08-25|August 25, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-08-11|August 11, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-07-28|July 28, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-07-14|July 14, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-06-30|June 30, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-06-16|June 16, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-06-02|June 02, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-05-19|May 19, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-05-05|May 05, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-04-21|April 21, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-04-07|April 07, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-03-24|March 24, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-03-10|March 10, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-02-24|February 24, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-02-10|February 10, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-01-27|January 27, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-01-13|January 13, 2009]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2008-12-30|December 30, 2008]] -- abridged meeting
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2008-12-16|December 16, 2008]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2008-12-02|December 02, 2008]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2008-11-18|November 18, 2008]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2008-11-04|November 04, 2008]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2008-10-21|October 21, 2008]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2008-10-07|October 07, 2008]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2008-09-24|September 24, 2008]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2008-09-09|September 09, 2008]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2008-08-26|August 26, 2008]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2008-08-12|August 12, 2008]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2008-07-15|July 15, 2008]]
* [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2008-07-01|July 01, 2008]]

Note that [[Thunderbird/StatusMeetings|Thunderbird meetings]] and [[Platform#Meeting_Notes|Platform meetings]] are also of interest to the SeaMonkey team.

[[category:SeaMonkey]]

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-10-26

2025-10-26T13:53:54Z

Frg: /* frg */ personal meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=26&month=10&year=2025&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 26 October, 2025, '''15:00 UTC''']
** ('''11am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, '''11pm''' Hong Kong)
** European Summer Time ends!
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' has got a grant from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
** We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL] in the next months.
** Preparations are already underway starting with the website and archives.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: October 13th, 2025
** Next Merges: November 10th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.143a1 on central. Gecko is at version 146 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (75)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (845)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 Final will be released next'''.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|1985637}}.
** The website updates are tracked in {{Bug|1995623}}.
** Older DOMi preferences {{Bug|1985637}} will be fixed in it.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta was released on September 22nd, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1985638}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
** The Windows release will be shipped unsigned again. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
** NSS was updated to the latest ESR 128 level and the dbm compatibility module has been dropped. Paasswords from pre 2.53.x builds will no longer be migrated.
** tr is now being translated and shipped with 2.53.22b1.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I again didn't have much time for SeaMonkey in the last 3 weeks. As usual paid work and real life came first. Did the final 2.533.22 release including 2 regression fixes and a few sec updates with '''IanN'''. Managed to do a few updates to the prerelease yesterday. No time for wip unfortunately.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey 2.53.22 final will be released soon and as usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* {{Bug|1985638}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 beta 1 release

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time.

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1986545}} Use PluralForm for known networks in cZ
* {{Bug|1991346}} Replace in-tree consumer of non-standard Iterator() with Object.{values,entries} in DOMi

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ
* {{Bug|1985638}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 beta 1 release

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday November 16th, 2025, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET, end of North American Daylight Saving Time!).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-10-26

2025-10-26T13:51:07Z

Frg: merge previous status meeting notes in

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=26&month=10&year=2025&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 26 October, 2025, '''15:00 UTC''']
** ('''11am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, '''11pm''' Hong Kong)
** European Summer Time ends!
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' has got a grant from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
** We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL] in the next months.
** Preparations are already underway starting with the website and archives.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: October 13th, 2025
** Next Merges: November 10th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.143a1 on central. Gecko is at version 146 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (75)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (845)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 Final will be released next'''.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|1985637}}.
** The website updates are tracked in {{Bug|1995623}}.
** Older DOMi preferences {{Bug|1985637}} will be fixed in it.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta was released on September 22nd, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1985638}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
** The Windows release will be shipped unsigned again. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
** NSS was updated to the latest ESR 128 level and the dbm compatibility module has been dropped. Paasswords from pre 2.53.x builds will no longer be migrated.
** tr is now being translated and shipped with 2.53.22b1.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I didn't have much time for SeaMonkey in the last 3 weeks. Was paid work and real life which got the better part of me again. Did some updates to the beta release notes and worked a bit with IanN cleaning up the patch queue.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is now at 2.53.23b1 pre and still as usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* {{Bug|1985638}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 beta 1 release

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time.

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1986545}} Use PluralForm for known networks in cZ
* {{Bug|1991346}} Replace in-tree consumer of non-standard Iterator() with Object.{values,entries} in DOMi

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ
* {{Bug|1985638}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 beta 1 release

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday November 16th, 2025, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET, end of North American Daylight Saving Time!).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-10-05

2025-10-26T13:49:34Z

Frg: status meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=5&month=10&year=2025&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 5 October, 2025, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN frg njsg rsx11m tomman

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''frg for being so eager to take the notes but the fishes are somewhat unhappy for general lack of contributions'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' has got a grant from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
** We are moving our infrastructure to [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL] in the next months.
** Preparations are already underway starting with the website and archives.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
** Apple is discontinuing Rosetta 2 and Intel support in general in the next macOS releases so we need to do ARM builds sooner or later. Help wanted as usual.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: September 15th, 2025
** Next Merges: October 13th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.142a1 on central. Gecko is at version 145 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (71)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (845)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 Final will be released next'''.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|1985637}}.
** The website updates are tracked in {{Bug|1995623}}.
** Older DOMi preferences {{Bug|1985637}} will be fixed in it.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta was released on September 22nd, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1985638}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
** The Windows release will be shipped unsigned again. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
** NSS was updated to the latest ESR 128 level and the dbm compatibility module has been dropped. Paasswords from pre 2.53.x builds will no longer be migrated.
** tr is now being translated and shipped with 2.53.22b1.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 21 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I didn't have much time for SeaMonkey in the last 3 weeks. Was paid work and real life which got the better part of me again. Did some updates to the beta release notes and worked a bit with IanN cleaning up the patch queue.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is now at 2.53.23b1 pre and still as usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ, doing webrender backports and re-ordering queues.

Checked in for website:
* {{Bug|1985638}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 beta 1 release

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time.

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1986545}} Use PluralForm for known networks in cZ
* {{Bug|1991346}} Replace in-tree consumer of non-standard Iterator() with Object.{values,entries} in DOMi

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ
* {{Bug|1985638}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 beta 1 release

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday October 26th, 2025, '''15:00 UTC''' (16:00 CET, end of European Summer Time!).
* —

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2025-10-05T12:56:17Z

Frg: /* frg */ personal meeting notes

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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=5&month=10&year=2025&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 5 October, 2025, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' has got a grant from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
** Inital discussions have been started with [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL] to potentially host our infra.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: September 15th, 2025
** Next Merges: October 13th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.142a1 on central. Gecko is at version 145 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (71)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (845)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta was released on September 22nd, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1985638}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
** The Windows release will be shipped unsigned again. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
** NSS was updated to the latest ESR 128 level and the dbm compatibility module has been dropped. Paasswords from pre 2.53.x builds will no longer be migrated.
** tr is now being translated and shipped with 2.53.22b1.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 21 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I didn't have much time for SeaMonkey in the last 3 weeks. Was paid work and real life which got the better part of me again. Did some updates to the beta release notes and worked a bit with IanN cleaning up the patch queue.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is now at 2.53.23b1 pre and still as usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here as of now.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and doing webrender backports.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time.

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1985638}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 beta 1 release

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1986545}} Use PluralForm for known networks in cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ
* {{Bug|1985638}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 beta 1 release

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday October 26th, 2025, '''15:00 UTC''' (16:00 CET, end of European Summer Time!).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-10-05

2025-10-05T12:54:27Z

Frg: merge previous status meeting notes in

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=5&month=10&year=2025&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 5 October, 2025, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' has got a grant from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
** Inital discussions have been started with [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL] to potentially host our infra.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: September 15th, 2025
** Next Merges: October 13th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.142a1 on central. Gecko is at version 145 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (71)
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* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta was released on September 22nd, 2025'''.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** The website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1985638}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
** The Windows release will be shipped unsigned again. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
** NSS was updated to the latest ESR 128 level and the dbm compatibility module has been dropped. Paasswords from pre 2.53.x builds will no longer be migrated.
** tr is now being translated and shipped with 2.53.22b1.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 21 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I did mostly working on finalizing and building 2.53.22b beta 1 and backporting the latest nss and nspr to the future 2.53.23 release in the last 3 weeks. Otherwise it was paid work and real life which got the better part of me again.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is now at 2.53.23b1 pre and still as usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and doing webrender backports.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time.

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1985638}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 beta 1 release

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1986545}} Use PluralForm for known networks in cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ
* {{Bug|1985638}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 beta 1 release

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday October 26th, 2025, '''15:00 UTC''' (16:00 CET, end of European Summer Time!).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-09-14

2025-10-05T12:52:07Z

Frg: status meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=9&year=2025&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 14 September, 2025, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN rsx11m frg njsg tonymec

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''The new SeaMonkey council for orgainizing stuff behind the curtain'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' has got a grant from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
** Inital discussions have been started with [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL] to potentially host our infra.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: August 18th, 2025
** Next Merges: September 15th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.141a1 on central. Gecko is at version 144 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* The NSS and NSPR libraries have been updated to the latest ESR140 level for 2.53.23b1 pre and up.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (128)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (845)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta was done and will be released soon'''.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** The website update are tracked in {{Bug|1985638}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
** The Windows release will be shipped unsigned again. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
** NSS was updated to the latest ESR 128 level and the dbm compatibility module has been dropped. Paasswords from pre 2.53.x builds will no longer be migrated.
** tr is now being translated and we will ship it with 2.53.22b1 and up.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* The old places sync api is gone as of 2.53.20b1 and won't come back. Only the new async api is and will be supported.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 21 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I did mostly working on finalizing and building 2.53.22b beta 1 and backporting the latest nss and nspr to the future 2.53.23 release in the last 3 weeks. Otherwise it was paid work and real life which got the better part of me again.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is now at 2.53.23b1 pre and still as usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and doing webrender backports.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time.

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1985638}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 beta 1 release

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1986545}} Use PluralForm for known networks in cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ
* {{Bug|1985638}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.22 beta 1 release

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved by a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday October 5th, 2025, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-09-14

2025-09-14T13:27:22Z

Frg: /* frg */ personal meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=9&year=2025&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 14 September, 2025, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' is working on getting some grants from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
** Inital discussions have been started with [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL] to potentially host our infra.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: August 18th, 2025
** Next Merges: September 15th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.141a1 on central. Gecko is at version 144 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* '''frg''' did places updates for 2.53.20. The old sync api is now gone and won't come back.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.
* tr is now being translated and we think we can ship it with 2.53.22.
** '''frg''' merges all relevant tr strings back from the central l10n to our 2.53 repo.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (128)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (845)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta will be released soon'''.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** The website update are tracked in {{Bug|1985638}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
** The Windows release will be shipped unsigned again. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
** NSS was updated to the latest ES 128 level and the dbm compatibility module has been dropped. Paasswords from pre 2.53.x builds will no longer be migrated.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 21 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I did mostly working on finalizing and building 2.53.22b beta 1 and backporting the latest nss and nspr to the future 2.53.23 release in the last 3 weeks. Otherwise it was paid work and real life which got the better part of me again.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Checked in:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
** Stalled in the last 3 weeks but branch got updated with regular 2.53 stuff.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is now at 2.53.23b1 pre and still as usual all is not well. Go away nothing new to see here.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and doing webrender backports.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|1962248}} Remove the need to load message code and static.js into network editor in cZ
* {{Bug|1962431}} Hide Open At Startup menu items for DCC Chat/File tabs in cZ
* {{Bug|1962436}} DCC File transfer speed is calculated at infinity on fast links in cZ
* {{Bug|1964838}} Colour the security lock in cZ
* {{Bug|1964841}} Display the viewName for each tab in the statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1964847}} Move client header information to title and status bars in cZ
* {{Bug|1964464}} Move network lag information to the status bar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967073}} Remove unused motifSettings code from cZ
* {{Bug|1967075}} Add href link to view names in statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967076}} Move network connection status information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967078}} Move channel mode and user counts out of header in cZ
* {{Bug|1967079}} Move user header information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967080}} Move DCC chat information from header to statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1971036}} Fix advanceKeyboardFocus in cZ
* {{Bug|1971037}} Provide context menu to copy view status href in cZ
* {{Bug|1971038}} Null check this.browser in context menu
* {{Bug|1972119}} Error when double clicking empty space in userlist in cZ
* {{Bug|1972121}} Remove unused Gecko 1.7.x alert rules in cZ
* {{Bug|1972122}} Remove use of removeUsers in cZ
* {{Bug|1972125}} Null check designMode in context menu
* {{Bug|1972724}} Context menu for userlist doesn't toggle both ways for sort and show modes in cZ
* {{Bug|1973395}} Move and tidy output and splash code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973396}} Move changeCSS code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973397}} Move scrollToElement function from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday October 5th, 2025, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-09-14

2025-09-14T13:22:33Z

Frg: merge previous status meeting notes in

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=14&month=9&year=2025&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 14 September, 2025, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' is working on getting some grants from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
** Inital discussions have been started with [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL] to potentially host our infra.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: August 18th, 2025
** Next Merges: September 15th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.141a1 on central. Gecko is at version 144 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* '''frg''' did places updates for 2.53.20. The old sync api is now gone and won't come back.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.
* tr is now being translated and we think we can ship it with 2.53.22.
** '''frg''' merges all relevant tr strings back from the central l10n to our 2.53 repo.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (128)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (845)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta will be released soon'''.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** The website update are tracked in {{Bug|1985638}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
** The Windows release will be shipped unsigned again. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
** NSS was updated to the latest ES 128 level and the dbm compatibility module has been dropped. Paasswords from pre 2.53.x builds will no longer be migrated.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 21 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I did mostly working on aligning the wip branch with 2.53, reviewing stuff from '''IanN''' and backporting some changes to 2.53 regular in the last 3 weeks. Paid work and real life got the better part of me again. Will do the 2.53.22 beta preparations next.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Checked in:
* Lots of cZ patches from '''IanN'''.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is still at 2.53.22b1 pre and still as usual all is not well. Go away nothing to see here.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and doing webrender backports.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|1962248}} Remove the need to load message code and static.js into network editor in cZ
* {{Bug|1962431}} Hide Open At Startup menu items for DCC Chat/File tabs in cZ
* {{Bug|1962436}} DCC File transfer speed is calculated at infinity on fast links in cZ
* {{Bug|1964838}} Colour the security lock in cZ
* {{Bug|1964841}} Display the viewName for each tab in the statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1964847}} Move client header information to title and status bars in cZ
* {{Bug|1964464}} Move network lag information to the status bar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967073}} Remove unused motifSettings code from cZ
* {{Bug|1967075}} Add href link to view names in statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967076}} Move network connection status information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967078}} Move channel mode and user counts out of header in cZ
* {{Bug|1967079}} Move user header information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967080}} Move DCC chat information from header to statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1971036}} Fix advanceKeyboardFocus in cZ
* {{Bug|1971037}} Provide context menu to copy view status href in cZ
* {{Bug|1971038}} Null check this.browser in context menu
* {{Bug|1972119}} Error when double clicking empty space in userlist in cZ
* {{Bug|1972121}} Remove unused Gecko 1.7.x alert rules in cZ
* {{Bug|1972122}} Remove use of removeUsers in cZ
* {{Bug|1972125}} Null check designMode in context menu
* {{Bug|1972724}} Context menu for userlist doesn't toggle both ways for sort and show modes in cZ
* {{Bug|1973395}} Move and tidy output and splash code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973396}} Move changeCSS code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973397}} Move scrollToElement function from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday October 5th, 2025, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-08-24

2025-09-14T13:17:03Z

Frg: status meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=8&year=2025&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 August, 2025, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN njsg rsx11m frg tonymec tomman

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''UCyborg for maintaining an uBlock Origin classic fork'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' is working on getting some grants from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
** Inital discussions have been started with [https://osuosl.org/ OSUOSL] to potentially host our infra.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* 32 bit release support has ended with 2.53.22b1. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 Linux and clang under Windows.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The VS2019 toolset in VS2022 is picked for compiling if installed.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** macOS now builds on Intel macs but packaging still fails.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: August 18th, 2025
** Next Merges: September 15th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.141a1 on central. Gecko is at version 144 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* '''frg''' did places updates for 2.53.20. The old sync api is now gone and won't come back.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.
* tr is now being translated and we think we can ship it with 2.53.22.
** '''frg''' merges all relevant tr strings back from the central l10n to our 2.53 repo.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (128)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (782)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta will be released soon'''.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** The website update are tracked in {{Bug|1985638}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
** The Windows release will be shipped unsigned again. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
** NSS was updated to the latest ES 128 level and the dbm compatibility module has been dropped. Paasswords from pre 2.53.x builds will no longer be migrated.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I did mostly working on aligning the wip branch with 2.53, reviewing stuff from '''IanN''' and backporting some changes to 2.53 regular in the last 3 weeks. Paid work and real life got the better part of me again. Will do the 2.53.22 beta preparations next.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Checked in:
* Lots of cZ patches from '''IanN'''.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is still at 2.53.22b1 pre and still as usual all is not well. Go away nothing to see here.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and doing webrender backports.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|1962248}} Remove the need to load message code and static.js into network editor in cZ
* {{Bug|1962431}} Hide Open At Startup menu items for DCC Chat/File tabs in cZ
* {{Bug|1962436}} DCC File transfer speed is calculated at infinity on fast links in cZ
* {{Bug|1964838}} Colour the security lock in cZ
* {{Bug|1964841}} Display the viewName for each tab in the statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1964847}} Move client header information to title and status bars in cZ
* {{Bug|1964464}} Move network lag information to the status bar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967073}} Remove unused motifSettings code from cZ
* {{Bug|1967075}} Add href link to view names in statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967076}} Move network connection status information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967078}} Move channel mode and user counts out of header in cZ
* {{Bug|1967079}} Move user header information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967080}} Move DCC chat information from header to statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1971036}} Fix advanceKeyboardFocus in cZ
* {{Bug|1971037}} Provide context menu to copy view status href in cZ
* {{Bug|1971038}} Null check this.browser in context menu
* {{Bug|1972119}} Error when double clicking empty space in userlist in cZ
* {{Bug|1972121}} Remove unused Gecko 1.7.x alert rules in cZ
* {{Bug|1972122}} Remove use of removeUsers in cZ
* {{Bug|1972125}} Null check designMode in context menu
* {{Bug|1972724}} Context menu for userlist doesn't toggle both ways for sort and show modes in cZ
* {{Bug|1973395}} Move and tidy output and splash code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973396}} Move changeCSS code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973397}} Move scrollToElement function from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday September 14th, 2025, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-08-24

2025-08-24T12:26:31Z

Frg: /* Roundtable - Personal Status Updates */ facts of the day

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=8&year=2025&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 August, 2025, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' is working on getting some grants from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 and clang under Windows.
** We plan to retire 32 bit builds with 2.53.22. A bookmarks import regression from 2.53.20 was fixed in 2.53.21.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
*** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The Windows build server will and can not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** 2.53.19 was the last release built under CentOS 7. The minimum libstdc++ and other library levels changed with 2.53.20.
*** The Linux i686 builds are affected the most. Minimum base OS is now Red Hat 8 or *buntu 20 which are not available for i686.
*** Q4OS 5.7 can be used for old i686 boxes.
** We might switch to dedicated builders later because of cost savings and better performance.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: August 18th, 2025
** Next Merges: September 15th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.141a1 on central. Gecko is at version 144 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
** Official Linux and Windows x86 releases might be phased out later.
*** x86 builds have a 8 times greater crash rate compared to the x64 builds. Mostly OOM crashes.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* '''frg''' did places updates for 2.53.20. The old sync api is now gone and won't come back.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.
* tr is now being translated and we think we can ship it with 2.53.22.
** '''frg''' merges all relevant tr strings back from the central l10n to our 2.53 repo.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (128)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (782)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta will be released next'''.
** NO ETA yet.
** The release will be tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.21 final was released on June 5th, 2025'''.
** We shipped the Windows release unsigned. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1960585}}.
** The website update was tracked in {{Bug|1968424}}.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
*** We do not plan to remove the x86 build options so you can still do a x86 build for yourself.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. This will be removed in a future release. Anyone not yet on 2.53.x will probably not migrate anyway.
** Distributions using the system NSS might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still available. The latest classic version is currently 1.16.4.30. It might be orphaned because the maintainer JustOff needed to defend his country as far as we know.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine too. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN''' and '''frg''' will usually do the reviews. '''ewong''' can also do reviews and give feedback for build related issues. For bigger changes '''IanN''' needs to be involved.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I did mostly working on aligning the wip branch with 2.53, reviewing stuff from '''IanN''' and backporting some changes to 2.53 regular in the last 3 weeks. Paid work and real life got the better part of me again. Will do the 2.53.22 beta preparations next.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Checked in:
* Lots of cZ patches from '''IanN'''.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is still at 2.53.22b1 pre and still as usual all is not well. Go away nothing to see here.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and doing webrender backports.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time.

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1962248}} Remove the need to load message code and static.js into network editor in cZ
* {{Bug|1962431}} Hide Open At Startup menu items for DCC Chat/File tabs in cZ
* {{Bug|1962436}} DCC File transfer speed is calculated at infinity on fast links in cZ

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1964838}} Colour the security lock in cZ
* {{Bug|1964841}} Display the viewName for each tab in the statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1964847}} Move client header information to title and status bars in cZ
* {{Bug|1964464}} Move network lag information to the status bar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967073}} Remove unused motifSettings code from cZ
* {{Bug|1967075}} Add href link to view names in statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967076}} Move network connection status information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967078}} Move channel mode and user counts out of header in cZ
* {{Bug|1967079}} Move user header information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967080}} Move DCC chat information from header to statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1971036}} Fix advanceKeyboardFocus in cZ
* {{Bug|1971037}} Provide context menu to copy view status href in cZ
* {{Bug|1971038}} Null check this.browser in context menu
* {{Bug|1972119}} Error when double clicking empty space in userlist in cZ
* {{Bug|1972121}} Remove unused Gecko 1.7.x alert rules in cZ
* {{Bug|1972122}} Remove use of removeUsers in cZ
* {{Bug|1972125}} Null check designMode in context menu
* {{Bug|1972724}} Context menu for userlist doesn't toggle both ways for sort and show modes in cZ
* {{Bug|1973395}} Move and tidy output and splash code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973396}} Move changeCSS code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973397}} Move scrollToElement function from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday September 14th, 2025, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=8&year=2025&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 August, 2025, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' is working on getting some grants from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 and clang under Windows.
** We plan to retire 32 bit builds with 2.53.22. A bookmarks import regression from 2.53.20 was fixed in 2.53.21.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
*** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The Windows build server will and can not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** 2.53.19 was the last release built under CentOS 7. The minimum libstdc++ and other library levels changed with 2.53.20.
*** The Linux i686 builds are affected the most. Minimum base OS is now Red Hat 8 or *buntu 20 which are not available for i686.
*** Q4OS 5.7 can be used for old i686 boxes.
** We might switch to dedicated builders later because of cost savings and better performance.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: August 18th, 2025
** Next Merges: September 15th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.141a1 on central. Gecko is at version 144 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
** Official Linux and Windows x86 releases might be phased out later.
*** x86 builds have a 8 times greater crash rate compared to the x64 builds. Mostly OOM crashes.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* '''frg''' did places updates for 2.53.20. The old sync api is now gone and won't come back.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.
* tr is now being translated and we think we can ship it with 2.53.22.
** '''frg''' merges all relevant tr strings back from the central l10n to our 2.53 repo.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (128)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (782)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta will be released next'''.
** NO ETA yet.
** The release will be tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.21 final was released on June 5th, 2025'''.
** We shipped the Windows release unsigned. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1960585}}.
** The website update was tracked in {{Bug|1968424}}.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
*** We do not plan to remove the x86 build options so you can still do a x86 build for yourself.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. This will be removed in a future release. Anyone not yet on 2.53.x will probably not migrate anyway.
** Distributions using the system NSS might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still available. The latest classic version is currently 1.16.4.30. It might be orphaned because the maintainer JustOff needed to defend his country as far as we know.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine too. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I did mostly working on aligning the wip branch with 2.53, reviewing stuff from '''IanN''' and backporting some changes to 2.53 regular in the last 3 weeks. Paid work and real life got the better part of me again. Will do the 2.53.22 beta preparations next.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Checked in:
* Lots of cZ patches from '''IanN'''.

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is still at 2.53.22b1 pre and still as usual all is not well. Go away nothing to see here.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and doing webrender backports.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time.

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1962248}} Remove the need to load message code and static.js into network editor in cZ
* {{Bug|1962431}} Hide Open At Startup menu items for DCC Chat/File tabs in cZ
* {{Bug|1962436}} DCC File transfer speed is calculated at infinity on fast links in cZ

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1964838}} Colour the security lock in cZ
* {{Bug|1964841}} Display the viewName for each tab in the statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1964847}} Move client header information to title and status bars in cZ
* {{Bug|1964464}} Move network lag information to the status bar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967073}} Remove unused motifSettings code from cZ
* {{Bug|1967075}} Add href link to view names in statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967076}} Move network connection status information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967078}} Move channel mode and user counts out of header in cZ
* {{Bug|1967079}} Move user header information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967080}} Move DCC chat information from header to statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1971036}} Fix advanceKeyboardFocus in cZ
* {{Bug|1971037}} Provide context menu to copy view status href in cZ
* {{Bug|1971038}} Null check this.browser in context menu
* {{Bug|1972119}} Error when double clicking empty space in userlist in cZ
* {{Bug|1972121}} Remove unused Gecko 1.7.x alert rules in cZ
* {{Bug|1972122}} Remove use of removeUsers in cZ
* {{Bug|1972125}} Null check designMode in context menu
* {{Bug|1972724}} Context menu for userlist doesn't toggle both ways for sort and show modes in cZ
* {{Bug|1973395}} Move and tidy output and splash code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973396}} Move changeCSS code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973397}} Move scrollToElement function from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday September 14th, 2025, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-08-24

2025-08-24T12:18:14Z

Frg: merge previous status meeting notes in

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=8&year=2025&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 August, 2025, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' is working on getting some grants from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 and clang under Windows.
** We plan to retire 32 bit builds with 2.53.22. A bookmarks import regression from 2.53.20 was fixed in 2.53.21.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
*** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The Windows build server will and can not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** 2.53.19 was the last release built under CentOS 7. The minimum libstdc++ and other library levels changed with 2.53.20.
*** The Linux i686 builds are affected the most. Minimum base OS is now Red Hat 8 or *buntu 20 which are not available for i686.
*** Q4OS 5.7 can be used for old i686 boxes.
** We might switch to dedicated builders later because of cost savings and better performance.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: August 18th, 2025
** Next Merges: September 15th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.141a1 on central. Gecko is at version 144 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
** Official Linux and Windows x86 releases might be phased out later.
*** x86 builds have a 8 times greater crash rate compared to the x64 builds. Mostly OOM crashes.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* '''frg''' did places updates for 2.53.20. The old sync api is now gone and won't come back.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.
* tr is now being translated and we think we can ship it with 2.53.22.
** '''frg''' merges all relevant tr strings back from the central l10n to our 2.53 repo.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (128)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (782)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta will be released next'''.
** NO ETA yet.
** The release will be tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.21 final was released on June 5th, 2025'''.
** We shipped the Windows release unsigned. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1960585}}.
** The website update was tracked in {{Bug|1968424}}.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
*** We do not plan to remove the x86 build options so you can still do a x86 build for yourself.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. This will be removed in a future release. Anyone not yet on 2.53.x will probably not migrate anyway.
** Distributions using the system NSS might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still available. The latest classic version is currently 1.16.4.30. It might be orphaned because the maintainer JustOff needed to defend his country as far as we know.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine too. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I did mostly working on setting up tr l10n for 2.53 and backporting changes to 2.53 regular and wip in the last 4 weeks. Because of real life issues was unable to do much in the last 2 weeks. Should hopefully becom better again soon.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* A few patches from IanN.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Checked in:
* nothing

Reviewing:
* cZ updates from IanN for 2.53.22. Still a bit behind with reviews. Real life takes its toll.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is still at 2.53.22b1 pre and still as usual all is not well.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and doing webrender backports.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time.

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1962248}} Remove the need to load message code and static.js into network editor in cZ
* {{Bug|1962431}} Hide Open At Startup menu items for DCC Chat/File tabs in cZ
* {{Bug|1962436}} DCC File transfer speed is calculated at infinity on fast links in cZ

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1964838}} Colour the security lock in cZ
* {{Bug|1964841}} Display the viewName for each tab in the statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1964847}} Move client header information to title and status bars in cZ
* {{Bug|1964464}} Move network lag information to the status bar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967073}} Remove unused motifSettings code from cZ
* {{Bug|1967075}} Add href link to view names in statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967076}} Move network connection status information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967078}} Move channel mode and user counts out of header in cZ
* {{Bug|1967079}} Move user header information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967080}} Move DCC chat information from header to statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1971036}} Fix advanceKeyboardFocus in cZ
* {{Bug|1971037}} Provide context menu to copy view status href in cZ
* {{Bug|1971038}} Null check this.browser in context menu
* {{Bug|1972119}} Error when double clicking empty space in userlist in cZ
* {{Bug|1972121}} Remove unused Gecko 1.7.x alert rules in cZ
* {{Bug|1972122}} Remove use of removeUsers in cZ
* {{Bug|1972125}} Null check designMode in context menu
* {{Bug|1972724}} Context menu for userlist doesn't toggle both ways for sort and show modes in cZ
* {{Bug|1973395}} Move and tidy output and splash code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973396}} Move changeCSS code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973397}} Move scrollToElement function from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday September 14th, 2025, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-08-03

2025-08-24T12:14:24Z

Frg: status meeting notes

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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3&month=8&year=2025&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 3 August, 2025, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN frg rsx11m njsg a-865

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''mcsmurf fior association and finance work'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''mcsmurf''' is working on getting some grants from Microsoft for open source projects on Azure.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 and clang under Windows.
** We plan to retire 32 bit builds with 2.53.22. A bookmarks import regression from 2.53.20 was fixed in 2.53.21.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
*** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The Windows build server will and can not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** 2.53.19 was the last release built under CentOS 7. The minimum libstdc++ and other library levels changed with 2.53.20.
*** The Linux i686 builds are affected the most. Minimum base OS is now Red Hat 8 or *buntu 20 which are not available for i686.
*** Q4OS 5.7 can be used for old i686 boxes.
** We might switch to dedicated builders later because of cost savings and better performance.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
*** We might distribute self signed binaries if this isn't sorted soon.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: July 21st, 2025
** Next Merges: August 18th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.140a1 on central. Gecko is at version 143 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
** Official Linux and Windows x86 releases might be phased out later.
*** x86 builds have a 8 times greater crash rate compared to the x64 builds. Mostly OOM crashes.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* '''frg''' did places updates for 2.53.20. The old sync api is now gone and won't come back.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.
* tr is now being translated and we think we can ship it with 2.53.22.
** '''frg''' merges all relevant tr strings back from the central l10n to our 2.53 repo.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (107)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (782)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.22 beta will be released next'''.
** NO ETA yet.
** The release will be tracked in {{Bug|1960594}}.
** ChatZilla got lots of changes so please test.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.21 final was released on June 5th, 2025'''.
** We shipped the Windows release unsigned. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1960585}}.
** The website update was tracked in {{Bug|1968424}}.
** 2.53.21 was the last x86 release.
*** We do not plan to remove the x86 build options so you can still do a x86 build for yourself.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. This will be removed in a future release. Anyone not yet on 2.53.x will probably not migrate anyway.
** Distributions using the system NSS might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still available. The latest classic version is currently 1.16.4.30. It might be orphaned because the maintainer JustOff needed to defend his country as far as we know.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine too. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 40 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I did mostly working on setting up tr l10n for 2.53 and backporting changes to 2.53 regular and wip in the last 4 weeks. Because of real life issues was unable to do much in the last 2 weeks. Should hopefully becom better again soon.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* A few patches from IanN.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Checked in:
* nothing

Reviewing:
* cZ updates from IanN for 2.53.22. Still a bit behind with reviews. Real life takes its toll.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is still at 2.53.22b1 pre and still as usual all is not well.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and doing webrender backports.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time.

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1962248}} Remove the need to load message code and static.js into network editor in cZ
* {{Bug|1962431}} Hide Open At Startup menu items for DCC Chat/File tabs in cZ
* {{Bug|1962436}} DCC File transfer speed is calculated at infinity on fast links in cZ

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1964838}} Colour the security lock in cZ
* {{Bug|1964841}} Display the viewName for each tab in the statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1964847}} Move client header information to title and status bars in cZ
* {{Bug|1964464}} Move network lag information to the status bar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967073}} Remove unused motifSettings code from cZ
* {{Bug|1967075}} Add href link to view names in statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967076}} Move network connection status information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967078}} Move channel mode and user counts out of header in cZ
* {{Bug|1967079}} Move user header information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967080}} Move DCC chat information from header to statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1971036}} Fix advanceKeyboardFocus in cZ
* {{Bug|1971037}} Provide context menu to copy view status href in cZ
* {{Bug|1971038}} Null check this.browser in context menu
* {{Bug|1972119}} Error when double clicking empty space in userlist in cZ
* {{Bug|1972121}} Remove unused Gecko 1.7.x alert rules in cZ
* {{Bug|1972122}} Remove use of removeUsers in cZ
* {{Bug|1972125}} Null check designMode in context menu
* {{Bug|1972724}} Context menu for userlist doesn't toggle both ways for sort and show modes in cZ
* {{Bug|1973395}} Move and tidy output and splash code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973396}} Move changeCSS code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973397}} Move scrollToElement function from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday August 24th, 2025, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-07-06

2025-08-03T14:08:35Z

Frg: Fix notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=6&month=7&year=2025&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 6 July, 2025, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN njsg nsITobin frg tomman

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''The tr l10n team for adding the needed tr translations expected to be complete for 2.53.22'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 and clang under Windows.
** We plan to retire 32 bit builds with 2.53.22. A bookmarks import regression from 2.53.20 was fixed in 2.53.21.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
*** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The Windows build server will and can not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** 2.53.19 was the last release built under CentOS 7. The minimum libstdc++ and other library levels changed with 2.53.20.
*** The Linux i686 builds are affected the most. Minimum base OS is now Red Hat 8 or *buntu 20 which are not available for i686.
*** Q4OS 5.7 can be used for old i686 boxes.
** We might switch to dedicated builders later because of cost savings and better performance.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: June 23rd, 2025
** Next Merges: July 21st, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.139a1 on central. Gecko is at version 142 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
** Official Linux and Windows x86 releases might be phased out later.
*** x86 builds have a 8 times greater crash rate compared to the x64 builds. Mostly OOM crashes.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* '''frg''' did places updates for 2.53.20. The old sync api is now gone and won't come back.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.
* tr is now being translated and we think we can ship it with 2.53.22.
** '''frg''' merges all relevant tr strings back from the central l10n to our 2.53 repo.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (105)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (782)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.21 final was released on June 5th, 2025.
** We shipped the Windows release unsigned. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|1960585}}.
** The website update is tracked in {{Bug|1968424}}.
** 2.53.21 is supposed to be the last x86 release.
*** We do not plan to remove the x86 build options so you can still do a x86 build for yourself.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. This will be removed in a future release. Anyone not yet on 2.53.x will probably not migrate anyway.
** Distributions using the system NSS might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still available. The latest classic version is currently 1.16.4.30. It might be orphaned because the maintainer JustOff needed to defend his country as far as we know.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine too. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 45 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I did mostly working on setting up tr l10n for 2.53 and backporting changes to 2.53 regular and wip in the last 3 weeks.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* Nothing.

Checked in:
* A few patches from IanN.

Reviewing:
* cZ updates from IanN for 2.53.22. Still a bit behind with reviews. Real life takes its toll.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliniary support for intl.locale is also in but not yet working. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is still at 2.53.22b1 pre and still as usual all is not well.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and doing webrender backports.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|1958708}} Simplify setting context for output window in cZ
* {{Bug|1959001}} Remove unused onMessageViewMouseDown from cZ
* {{Bug|1959006}} Inline getViewsContext into initViewsPopup in cZ
* {{Bug|1959007}} Inline getFontContext into initFont functions in cZ
* {{Bug|1961382}} Migrate to standard menus for context in cZ
* {{Bug|1961385}} Move getTabContext and getUserlistContext into menus.js for cZ
* {{Bug|1962242}} Merge file-utils.js into utils.js for cZ
* {{Bug|1962243}} Deduplicate code for centering dialogs in cZ
* {{Bug|1962246}} Tidy up install-plugin dialog for cZ

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1962248}} Remove the need to load message code and static.js into network editor in cZ
* {{Bug|1962431}} Hide Open At Startup menu items for DCC Chat/File tabs in cZ
* {{Bug|1962436}} DCC File transfer speed is calculated at infinity on fast links in cZ
* {{Bug|1964838}} Colour the security lock in cZ
* {{Bug|1964841}} Display the viewName for each tab in the statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1964847}} Move client header information to title and status bars in cZ
* {{Bug|1964464}} Move network lag information to the status bar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967073}} Remove unused motifSettings code from cZ
* {{Bug|1967075}} Add href link to view names in statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967076}} Move network connection status information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967078}} Move channel mode and user counts out of header in cZ
* {{Bug|1967079}} Move user header information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967080}} Move DCC chat information from header to statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1971036}} Fix advanceKeyboardFocus in cZ
* {{Bug|1971037}} Provide context menu to copy view status href in cZ
* {{Bug|1971038}} Null check this.browser in context menu
* {{Bug|1972119}} Error when double clicking empty space in userlist in cZ
* {{Bug|1972121}} Remove unused Gecko 1.7.x alert rules in cZ
* {{Bug|1972122}} Remove use of removeUsers in cZ
* {{Bug|1972125}} Null check designMode in context menu
* {{Bug|1972724}} Context menu for userlist doesn't toggle both ways for sort and show modes in cZ
* {{Bug|1973395}} Move and tidy output and splash code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973396}} Move changeCSS code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973397}} Move scrollToElement function from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====

''' SeaMonkey Community Contributed Infrastructure / There is only XUL dot org'''
* https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org
* FTP Space for Contributors and Community Members and its Administration is **NOW** open.
** Please see me on irc to gain access.
* Infra in Pre-Development
** Third Generation (Advanced Phoebus Model) Add-ons Site
** Wikitext/Markdown "Capable" Documentation Site (with content previews)

'''''Completed'''''

'''''Proceeding'''''
* Comm-Central
** {{Bug|1952288}} - Fix and revamp suite build configuration and options
** {{Bug|1952319}} - Port Firefox Devtools to SeaMonkey on comm-central

'''''Queued / Stalled / On-Hold'''''
* C-{{Bug|1913787}} - Replace session history in the Go Menu with places history
* C-NOTFILED - Kinto Isolation / Elimination
* C-NOTFILED - Weave 1.1 / Sync

'''SeaMonkey Website Improvements:'''
* W-NOTFILED - Rewrite the SeaMonkey Development Page
** Prioritize Windows Build Instructions first

'''Suite UX Improvements:'''
* C-{{Bug|526210}} - Fix long standing issues with the SeaMonkey Modern Theme
** C-{{Bug|883722}} C-{{Bug|481862}} C-{{Bug|883724}} C-{{Bug|576403}} C-{{Bug|883728}}
* Modernize the Modern Theme
** C-NOTFILED - Use CSS Vars to centralize the color scheme

''Note: C- is for Comm and M- is for "mozilla" as well as W- is for website''

==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday July 27th, 2025, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-08-03

2025-08-02T12:22:07Z

Frg: /* frg */ personal meeting notes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3&month=8&year=2025&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 3 August, 2025, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3 2023. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure.
** Currently no further movement and we just wait it out.
* Add '''tobins''' new [https://seamonkey.thereisonlyxul.org/ SeaMonkey community site] to the website support section.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* '''ewong''' continues updating the configs and has set up some tasks on the Windows builder.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting measures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future check-ins into comm-central.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** So far building i686 is possible with gcc 8.5.0 under Rocky 8 and clang under Windows.
** We plan to retire 32 bit builds with 2.53.22. A bookmarks import regression from 2.53.20 was fixed in 2.53.21.
** 32 bit build code will not be removed and anyone can still do x86 for fun and personal use.
*** Problems building x86 will only be fixed on a best effort base.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The Windows build server will and can not be switched to it for now.
* Recommended Windows 10 toolkit version is 10.1.22261.x (latest sub revision).
** The 10.0.20348 toolkit for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Mozilla encountered some problems with the 22261 toolkit and Windows 7 support but so for no problems.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We are now building on Rocky Linux 8 and Windows Server 2019 since 2.53.20.
** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
** 2.53.19 was the last release built under CentOS 7. The minimum libstdc++ and other library levels changed with 2.53.20.
*** The Linux i686 builds are affected the most. Minimum base OS is now Red Hat 8 or *buntu 20 which are not available for i686.
*** Q4OS 5.7 can be used for old i686 boxes.
** We might switch to dedicated builders later because of cost savings and better performance.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l10n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.
* Our Windows signing key expired January 6th.
** New code signing keys are all hardware based.
** We need to evaluate options to be able to use them on the builder and locally for developer testing.
** Azure Code Vault might be the best option. We will check it out after the next SeaMonkey release in January.
** '''ewong''' is looking into the issue but '''mcsmurf''' must first do the legal stuff so that we can acquire a new key.
*** Still no progress.
* We are looking into doing daily prerelease builds on our infra.
** Some Linux and macOS builds are now available [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html here].
** Setting up Windows builds takes more time. If someone needs one please ask in the SeaMonkey IRC channel.
*** '''frg''' uploads new ones now and then to '''tobins''' [https://seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/ new community site].
*** '''frg''' did set up a prerelease build env on the Windows builder. Unlike on the Linux builder there are no automated builds set up yet.
*** '''ewong''' is looking into {{Bug|1687385}} to simplify setting up a build env and doing automated builds.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: July 21st, 2025
** Next Merges: August 18th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.140a1 on central. Gecko is at version 143 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** Archived 2.53.x prerelease builds are also available from [https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly/index.html nightly website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the foreseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is more or less up to date for Linux and Windows.
** clang 9 to 14 can be used to build on Linux for macOS. Later versions cause a startup crash.
** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** clang 6 to 19, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 19 and the VS2019 toolset are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
*** '''frg''' added support for using the VS2019 toolset in VS2022 installations till compiling with VS2022 is fixed.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
** Apple plans to discontinue Intel and Rosetta 2 support. We try to have arm builds avaiable by then but not enough devs around to guarantee it.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** '''They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.'''
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** * Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher.
** Official Linux and Windows x86 releases might be phased out later.
*** x86 builds have a 8 times greater crash rate compared to the x64 builds. Mostly OOM crashes.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapod and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repos we do not need to do backports and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** The 2.53 l10n sources are synched as much as possible with {{Bug|1964042}}.
*** We need to decide what to do with access key differences. Central has some different keys in some lanaguages but they are not all correct. Neither are the ones in 2.53.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and at the end of 70a1 now.
** The branch is located at [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-wip/-/tree/next-level-stuff?ref_type=heads SeaMonkey 2.53 wip branch].
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int (working) and private class fields (mostly working) are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** Apple fixed this in macOS 15.2.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process because we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
*** For the same reasons we are also not testing Beta macOS builds.
* '''frg''' did places updates for 2.53.20. The old sync api is now gone and won't come back.
** Affected extensions need to be updated but there are few.
** The old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.
* tr is now being translated and we think we can ship it with 2.53.22.
** '''frg''' merges all relevant tr strings back from the central l10n to our 2.53 repo.
* Although it does not get many updates and generates outdated code in some cases we do not plan to drop Composer.
** '''IanN''' would like to improve it but needs to find some time to do it first.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
** '''nsITobin''' and '''frg''' added some fixes needed for a successful build. They will be checked in after review.
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published because not working.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* Mozilla switched to GitHub for the source code. MZLA/Thunderbird will follow. We expect them to remove the suite source in this move.
** Mercurial support will be kept for a while till all tools are migrated.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo from different sources will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** We can still update comm-central via hg for now.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for Firefox has moved to [https://github.com/mozilla-l10n/firefox-l10n firefox-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird are now in the [https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-l10n thunderbird-l10n] repo.
* The l10n strings for SeaMonkey are now in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n/ seamonkey-central-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
* The rust compiler uses huge amounts of memory and '''frg''' was only able to compile it with 32GB assigned to his build vm.
** '''nsITobin''' reported that 1.83 behaves better for now.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (107)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (782)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.21 final was released on June 5th, 2025.
** We shipped the Windows release unsigned. Aquiring a new signing key and setting up the needed changes is still not done.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|1960585}}.
** The website update is tracked in {{Bug|1968424}}.
** 2.53.21 is supposed to be the last x86 release.
*** We do not plan to remove the x86 build options so you can still do a x86 build for yourself.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. This will be removed in a future release. Anyone not yet on 2.53.x will probably not migrate anyway.
** Distributions using the system NSS might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Apple broke running unsigned applications in macOS 15.1. This has been fixed in 15.2.
** There is nothing we could do short of notarizing SeaMonkey which is currently not an option because of not enough hours in the day.
** {{Bug|1924612}} contains a workaround for users stuck at 15.1.x.
** This is not the first time Apple broke us so be careful before you switch to a new macOS version.
** We are short on developers and do not test beta macOS versions.

* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version to 128 with 2.53.20.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later release which is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* We broke at least one Jetpack add-on "Dark Background and Light text" with recent changes.
** '''frg''' looked into the issue but didn't find the root cause yet.
** The sdk source is mostly unmaintained and was removed in Firefox 59 but we still try to keep it for now.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ is now being enhanced by us. Read the release notes.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now because it seriously cripples ad- and content blockers.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still available. The latest classic version is currently 1.16.4.30. It might be orphaned because the maintainer JustOff needed to defend his country as far as we know.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine too. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote> (home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.
* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
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=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 40 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 27 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
I did mostly working on setting up tr l10n for 2.53 and backporting changes to 2.53 regular and wip in the last 4 weeks. Because of real life issues was unable to do much in the last 2 weeks. Should hopefully becom better again soon.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1978825}} Add l10n tr.
* A few patches from IanN.
* Parts of Bug {{Bug|1964042}} for our l10n central repo.

Checked in:
* nothing

Reviewing:
* cZ updates from IanN for 2.53.22. Still a bit behind with reviews. Real life takes its toll.

Working on:
* Adding support for the VS2022 msvc compiler
** As a workaround the 142 toolset can now be used in VS2022 installations.
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At almost the end of 70a1 now.
*** BigInt, private class fields and dynamic imports are now working there. Preliminary support for intl.locale is also in. Needs more stuff to reintegrate new regexp and optional chaining but getting closer.
*** Support for allSettled and matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases later. Means I need to continue updating the wip branch before it is ready for public consumption.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. The intl code is now at 71a1 in the wip branch and at ICU 65.1.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Need to check in the last comm-central patches from '''WG9s''' which fix build breaks. This I plan to do soon.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central beyond getting it to build. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is still at 2.53.22b1 pre and still as usual all is not well.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ and doing webrender backports.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.22+ / comm-central:
* Nothing this time.

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1962248}} Remove the need to load message code and static.js into network editor in cZ
* {{Bug|1962431}} Hide Open At Startup menu items for DCC Chat/File tabs in cZ
* {{Bug|1962436}} DCC File transfer speed is calculated at infinity on fast links in cZ

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs
* {{Bug|1951305}} Migrate the last .inc localization file to Fluent or another format
* {{Bug|1964838}} Colour the security lock in cZ
* {{Bug|1964841}} Display the viewName for each tab in the statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1964847}} Move client header information to title and status bars in cZ
* {{Bug|1964464}} Move network lag information to the status bar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967073}} Remove unused motifSettings code from cZ
* {{Bug|1967075}} Add href link to view names in statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967076}} Move network connection status information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967078}} Move channel mode and user counts out of header in cZ
* {{Bug|1967079}} Move user header information into statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1967080}} Move DCC chat information from header to statusbar in cZ
* {{Bug|1971036}} Fix advanceKeyboardFocus in cZ
* {{Bug|1971037}} Provide context menu to copy view status href in cZ
* {{Bug|1971038}} Null check this.browser in context menu
* {{Bug|1972119}} Error when double clicking empty space in userlist in cZ
* {{Bug|1972121}} Remove unused Gecko 1.7.x alert rules in cZ
* {{Bug|1972122}} Remove use of removeUsers in cZ
* {{Bug|1972125}} Null check designMode in context menu
* {{Bug|1972724}} Context menu for userlist doesn't toggle both ways for sort and show modes in cZ
* {{Bug|1973395}} Move and tidy output and splash code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973396}} Move changeCSS code from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973397}} Move scrollToElement function from output-window.js to static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1973583}} Provide modern theme for cZ

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday August 24th, 2025, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
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