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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=12&year=2024&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 8 December, 2024, 15:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* Alternatives to the Mozilla SeaMonkey Wiki?
** MediaWiki, DokuWiki, TWiki, Tiki Wiki and TiddlyWiki, as well as smaller players such as MoinMoin, PmWiki, PhpWiki and WikkaWiki?
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Mozilla finally decided to fully cut us loose in Q3. Formally and legally this is all in order.
** Source code will probably be removed from comm-central because it seems parts of MZLA and/or the Thunderbird council are eager to do the same.
** Fortunately we are mostly independent already and it will not affect the 2.53 line or building releases.
*** Depending on when this will happen we will have a delayed release and maybe broken updates for one release too.
** If this happens it is unlikely we will pursue upstream fixes for suite any longer and just concentrate on the 2.53 fork
** We need to find replacements for bugzilla, translations via Pontoon, add-on and the distribution site.
*** Reviews for SeaMonkey add-ons seem to no longer be done anyway. We don't have any access there.
** We are currently evaluating options together with Mozilla.
*** Source code, Pontoon translations and Bugzilla are the three items we would like to keep as is. Needs to be decided higher up at Mozilla.
*** We got a preliminary approval note to extend our stay on the other Mozilla infrastructure till the end of 2024 but need to formalize some things till then.
* Fix website for google group changes.
** Dev group was discontinued and the SeaMonkey support list is more or less on life support.
* c-c logbot is back so update the support section on the website.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* The update server will be itself soon be updated.
** Switching from aus2 to aus5 is transparent. No code changes needed.
* '''IanN''' has started updating the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' set up the downloads archive in our Azure CDN for now.
** Some cost cutting mesures were implemented.
* We moved to bugsplat.com for crash reports with 2.53.18b1
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* The '''WG9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** The website code is now maintained on heptapod.
*** We no longer mirror the website in hg.mozilla.org and might stop this for gitlab too.
** Mozilla plans to move to github and abandon mercurial. We have no plans to do this for our release branch and the website.
*** This might affect future checkins into comm-central.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2024. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
* VS2022 is theoretically supported but building is currently broken because of compiler changes.
** The Windows build server will and can not be switched to it for now.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* We plan to update builders with a future 2.53.x release soon.
** CentOS 7 reached EOL.
** '''ewong''' has set up a Rocky 8 and Server 2019 builder.
*** Fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support and fixing the native macOS build can now be tackled.
*** 2.53.19 was the last release built under CentOS 7. 2.53.20 and up will be build on Rocky 8. The minimum libstdc++ will change to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
*** The server itself will be decommisioned later.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023 but has been extended in Azure.
** We might switch to dedicated builders later because of cost savings and better performance.
* For Windows 2.53 mozbuild 3.4 is working.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken for building 2.53.x because of msys2.
** Mozbuild 4.1 is needed for compiling comm-central
* Mozilla l10n moved to github.
** Our TB friends also moved comm-l10n to github without suite l10n.
*** Suite translations now happen in our gitlab l210n central repo [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/seamonkey-central-l10n suite l10n central].
*** It is currently not integrated into comm-central builds.
* We have no plans to move 2.53 development to git. Mercurial suites us literally well.
** gitlab source is used for releases and holding the patches queues only.
* We might need our own add-on site later.
** '''Tobin''' is evaluating options for such a site and trying to build one.
* '''ewong''' set up some new servers and '''IanN''' will test before decommissioning the old ones.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: November 25th, 2024
** Next Merges: January 6th, 2025 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.132a1 on central. Gecko is at version 135 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** Archived 2.53.x builds are also available from [https://www.wg9s.com/seamonkey-253-nightly/ WG9's archive website].
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* We will use Rust 1.73.0 for all or builds for the forseeable future.
** Rust 1.74 dropped support for macOS 10.11 which we still support.
** Rust 1.78 dropped support for Windows 7 and 8.1. It added a tier 3 compile target for these versions but this is currently more or less unsupported and untested.
** If you want to build with Rust 1.78 or higher you need the patch in {{Bug|1896958}} to remove the packed_simd crate.
* 2.53.17b1 and up no longer need Python 2 for building. There is still some breakage in test code and other areas because of this.
** Breakage and support for Python 3.12 and up will be addressed as fast as possible.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 17, gcc 7.1 to 13 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
*** clang 15 and higher is currently not supported with macOS builds. Resulting binary crashes on startup.
*** macOS sdk 13 or higher can currently not be used. The binary will not start because of some linkage issue.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 17, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed. The new regexp parser needs full c++17 support. Currently we worked around it but while this may work with clang 5 and 6 it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* Native macOS builds are broken. Will be fixed with more build infra backports.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.14 or higher. We support macOS version 10.11 or higher.
* Cross-Reference sources are available at [http://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53 current].
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang and lld as linker under Linux.
** They are no plans to drop macOS 10.11 to 10.14, Windows 7 or 8.1 x64 support.
** Windows server 2008 R2 and later are also supported.
** Running under Windows 8 or Server 2012 (original not R2) is not being tested by us.
** Official Linux and Windows x86 releases might be phased out later.
*** x86 builds have a 8 times greater crash rate compared to the x64 builds. Nostly OOM crashes.
* The l10n master branches are being updated on heptapot and gitlab for a release.
** Unlike the 2.53 comm and mozilla repros we do not need to do backparts and can always update to the latest translations and just tag releases.
** The l10n translations for the next release will be kept in the patch queue until it tagged for building and it s branch for the regular fixes has been checked in.
** '''frg''' tries to add support for later javascript syntax features in a separate wip patch queue. Progressing nicely and middle of 68a1 now.
*** 2.53 got all the build fixes from the wip brnach as a start.
** Builds from this branch are not very usable right now because the preliminary support for optional chaining and regexp needed to be removed for a full rebase later.
*** Missing support for dynamic imports (working), big int(working) and private class fields are the top issues which will be addressed with this branch.
* Apple borked ruuning unsigned applications starting with macOS 15.1 This is not a SeaMonkey problem. A workaround is described in {{Bug|1924612}}.
** We currently do not have the time and resources (mostly manpower) to do notarized builds. This would need a whole new process becuase we are currently cross compiling under Linux.
** The bug affects lots of other applications and Apple is silent and does nothing about it.
++ '''frg''' did places updates and would see that the current 2.53 prerelease is being testing. The old sync api is now gone and won't come back.
*** It should not affect extensions because the old api has been disabled some time ago and was mostly broken before 2.53.1.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** For building you need to apply the preliminary patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-patches/ gitlab central patch queue].
*** Because of some components removal and internal changes building central is currently broken without them.
*** This will not give you a working suite.
*** The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** It has been done but not been checked in yet because other checkins would need to be rebased constantly then.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** This seems to be currently on hold.
* If building fails because of a missing wasi-sysroot your need to add "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot] manually.
* Builds may fail if the rust code in comm-central is not in sync with mozilla-central.
* l10n support for comm-central has moved to [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n].
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.
** Patches for build breakage and new reviewed functionality in suite have been checked in.
** mozilla plans to move to github. We expect MZLA to follow and need to evalutate later how central source updates can be done.
* '''WG9s''' incorporated some patches from '''Tobin''' into the central. patch queue. First goal is to show some ui at least.
* comm-central has been updated but needs another round of minor changes WG9s did to build. Mozilla moved config code around.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (114)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (19)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (690)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.20 beta''' will be released next.
** We want to fix it up a bit more before a release.
** If an urgent security fix is needed we will do a 2.53.19 point release.
** We plan to do the Beta in Early November and to release the final version at the end of November.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.19 final''' was released on September 4th.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1902849}}.
** The website update was tracked in {{Bug|1914812}}.
** It has a patch for blocking connections to 0.0.0.0 in.
*** A newsgroup post hinted that the address checks were inccomplete but '''Tobin''' tested and it seems to be covered.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.19 beta 1''' was released on July 18th.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1861843}}.
** The website update was tracked in {{Bug|1902848}}.
** While the source has been updated extensively it is mostly groundwork which we would like to get out for broader testing.
** The release has been done last week. Testing took a bit longer for personal reasons.
** Please help test the prerelease versions too.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** 2.53.20 will raise the ua version to 128.
** YouTube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertising Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. This will be removed for 2.53.20. Anyone not yet on 2.53.x will probably not migrate anyway.
** Distributions using the system NSS might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding full support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** What is there has been activated in the current release. Shadow DOM support is mostly still missing.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
+ Possible breakage in 2.53.
** Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
*** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
** {{Bug|1388317}}, {{Bug|1083458}} and {{Bug|1389510}} were backported to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features. With this done backporting is much easier now.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** When we add WebExtension theme support lightweight theme support will be dropped. Full theme support will be kept at all costs because among other things our Modern theme depends on it.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in the near future. Google no longer accepts new extensions using v2.
*** We do not plan to support this for now.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still available. The latest classic version is currently 1.16.4.30. It might be orphaned because the maintainer JustOff needed to defend his country as far as we know.
* [https://github.com/UCyborg/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases uBlock-for-firefox-legacy] works fine too. It contains some fixes and enhancements.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://enigmail.net/index.php/en/download/changelog/ Enigmail] is supported again. Big thanks.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote>
(home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* We need to add Wayland support in the near future to 2.53.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 16 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 28 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Worked mostly on doing outstanding reviews and fxing up the code for the next beta in the last three weeks.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:

Checked in:
* Lots of stuff.

Reviewing:
* Current reviews done. The remaining ones from IanN are for later.

Working on:
* Trying to get dynamic imports, bigint and fields into the regular release.
** Working on a parallel branch to update SpiderMonkey for this and other stuff. At 68a1 last leg now.
*** Support for allSettled nd matchAll redone with the original mozilla patches. Passes now more tests too.
*** Preliminary rew regexp {{Bug|1634135}} and optional chaining support need heavy rebases for this too which delays it because needs more code changes. I will try to get the orginal patches halfway clean in so that we don't need another round of rebases lates.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds. With more backports we are slowly fixing central issues too.
** Need to look into comm-central patches from '''WG0s''' which fix build breaks next.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* SeaMonkey is now at 2.53.21b1 pre. Building the 2.53.20b1 will start soon.

==== IanN ====
Mainly tidying up cZ.

Checked in for website:
* Nothing this time.

Checked in for 2.53.20+ / comm-central:
* {{Bug|1920565}} Tidy up channels code in cZ
* {{Bug|1923211}} Sometimes tag data from an IRC server doesn't contain a pair
* {{Bug|1923213}} Fix call to updateUsers in network onAway
* {{Bug|1923215}} Remove unused XTLabelRecord from tree-utils.js
* {{Bug|1923219}} Remove unused code from connection-xpcom.js
* {{Bug|1923221}} Remove unusued code from utils.js
* {{Bug|1923224}} Switch from using arrayContains helper to using JS Array includes method
* {{Bug|1923225}} Switch from using arrayIndexOf helper to using JS Array includes and indexOf methods
* {{Bug|1923227}} Switch from using arrayRemoveAt and arrayInsertAt helpers to using JS Array splice and unshift methods
* {{Bug|1923229}} Switch from using stringTrim helper to using JS string trim method
* {{Bug|1923232}} Switch from using keys helper to using JS Object keys method
* {{Bug|1924332}} Use eventListerner instead of addhook nsICommandParams for chat window input paste
* {{Bug|1924336}} Tidy up logins code in cZ
* {{Bug|1924337}} Tidy up zipReader code in cZ
* {{Bug|1924338}} Inline newObject function in cZ
* {{Bug|1924586}} Remove getWindowByType function from cZ
* {{Bug|1924587}} Inline viewCert function in cZ
* {{Bug|1924588}} Remove getSpecialDirectory function and use Services.dirsvc in cZ
* {{Bug|1924589}} Remove getNSSErrorClass function and tidy up NSS related code in cZ
* {{Bug|1924592}} Tidy message manager code in cZ
* {{Bug|1924595}} Remove getService helper and tidy up code around its callers in cZ
* {{Bug|1925849}} Remove use of NSGetModule in DOMi
* {{Bug|1925871}} Remove use of NSGetModule in cZ
* {{Bug|1926406}} Tidy up chatzilla-service.js
* {{Bug|1927348}} Use Intl.DateTimeFormat in cZ's strftime function
* {{Bug|1927370}} Remove unused code from pref-manager.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1927374}} Use Services.scriptloader in cZ
* {{Bug|1927376}} Use more Services in cZ
* {{Bug|1927377}} Tidy up some Components.* code in static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1927582}} Switch to using listbox instead of tree for cZ chat window
* {{Bug|1928749}} Away status isn't reflected correctly in channel userlist in cZ
* {{Bug|1930391}} Fix too much recursion and missing variable in cmdSave in cZ
* {{Bug|1930396}} Replace confirm helper with Services.prompt.confirm in cZ
* {{Bug|1930540}} Use Services.prompt in confirmEx, prompt and promptPassword helpers in cZ
* {{Bug|1931705}} Use Services.prompt.alert and remove alert helper in cZ
* {{Bug|1931707}} Simplify getListFIle in cZ
* {{Bug|1931708}} Remove various const from file-utils.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1931709}} Remove unused 2nd argument from mkdir helper in file-utils.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1931710}} Use LocalFile directly rather via helper fopen in cZ
* {{Bug|1931712}} Tidy up picker code in file-utils.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1933083}} Remove unused encodeForXMLAttribute function for cZ utils.js
* {{Bug|1933084}} Move renameProperty helper into lib/irc.js for cZ
* {{Bug|1933085}} Move formatDateOffset helper into handlers.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1933086}} Move objectContains helper into command-manager.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1933087}} Move splitLongWord helper into mungers.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1933089}} Move randomString helper into commands.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1933090}} Move Clone helper into commands.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1933091}} Move matchObject helper into events.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1933092}} Move equalsObject helper into channels.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1933093}} Move matchEntry helper into static.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1933342}} Move getCommonPfx helper to handlers.js in cZ
* {{Bug|1933346}} Remove some code duplication in getSISize and getSISpeed helpers and improve coding in scaleNumbersBy1024 in cZ

Waiting for checkin:
* {{Bug|1614671}} Port |{{Bug|1456035}} - Add native QueryInterface helper with fast path for XPCWrappedJS| to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1642188}} Port |{{Bug|1455052}} part 12 - Remove JS uses of nsIDOMEvent| to SeaMonkey

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1645892}} Port changes to SSLStatus interfaces to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1646495}} Stop using nsIDocShell::forcedCharset in SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1687385}} Update SeaMonkey mozconfigs

Waiting for feedback:
* Nothing this time.

Working on:
* {{Bug|1633729}} Update about:buildconfig to display comm as well as mozilla source information - comm-central part
* {{Bug|1616034}} Update SessionStore code for SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1612386}} Don't always update lastRelatedTab information when browser.tabs.insertAllTabsAfterCurrent is true
* {{Bug|1577372}} Working copy functionality was removed from page info window
* {{Bug|1573595}} [meta]Update pageInfo files
* {{Bug|1578061}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's context menu
* {{Bug|1581176}} [meta]Update SeaMonkey's certificate / net error handling UI
* {{Bug|1579640}} Fix access key clashes in prefs
* {{Bug|657604}} Remove the RDF global object. (Port {{Bug|437869}} to SeaMonkey.)
* {{Bug|1380613}} sessionrestore will not restore anything if another tab is open
* Backporting changes needed for build system

Back burner:
* {{Bug|1501790}} Port changes from {{Bug|1458314}}, {{Bug|1506915}}, and {{Bug|1458308}} to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1542608}} Port |{{Bug|394984}} Unable to update on mac if admin user is not the same admin user as the person who installed firefox| to SeaMonkey

==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
==== stefanh ====
==== nsITobin ====

''' Status of There is Only XUL dot org '''
* Feelin' fine.

'''''Completed'''''
* N/A

'''''In-Progress'''''
* C-{{Bug|1912354}} - Allow DOMi to inspect any DOM element by shift + right click
** Needs nits fixed
* C-{{Bug|1913787}} - Replace session history in the Go Menu with places history
* C-NEEDSFILED - Port https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/c7df29bada38 to SM on Central

'''''Queued'''''

'''SeaMonkey Website Improvements:'''
* W-NOTFILED - Rewrite the SeaMonkey Development Page
** Prioritize Windows Build Instructions first
** Provide a meta-bootstrap script to fetch git or assemble the patch queues.
* W-NOTFILED - Dark(-er) Mode for those with ultra-bright screens
* W-NOTFILED - Use DejaVu Sans Web Font before falling back to Verdana then sans

'''Suite UX Improvements:'''
* C-{{Bug|526210}} - Fix long standing issues with the SeaMonkey Modern Theme
** C-{{Bug|883722}} - MailNews Toolbar Icon Image Conversion to PNG with Transparency
*** C-{{Bug|481862}} - MailNews Toolbar Small Icons
** C-{{Bug|883724}} - Address Book Toolbar Icon Image Conversion to PNG with Transparency
*** C-{{Bug|576403}} - Address Book Toolbar Small Icons
** C-{{Bug|883728}} - Composer Toolbar Icon Image Conversion to PNG with Transparency
*** C-NOTFILED - Composer Toolbar Small Icons
** C-NOTFILED - Add missing styling for some about: pages
*** C-NOTFILED - Make all in-content styles look similar
* Modernize the Modern Theme
** C-NOTFILED - Use CSS Vars to centralize the color scheme
** C-NOTFILED - Use LW/Static Theme Colors and accept the toolbar background (Depends on a number of above improvements first)
** C-NOTFILED - Dark mode (based on a mozilla preference css query)
** C-NOTFILED - Develop an extension or component to control the color scheme
** C-NOTFILED - Port Borealis security url/status bar UX Improvements

'''''On Hold'''''

* M-NOTFILED - Port the Tycho/UXP Weave 1.1 Client
* C-NOTFILED - Remove the original SyncUI from Suite
* C-NOTFILED - Hook up the new common SyncUI to the Suite
* M-NOTFILED - Isolate and/or remove the Kinto client

''Note: C- is for Comm and M- is for "mozilla" as well as W- is for website''

==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in ''four'' weeks on Sunday January 5th, 2025, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-07-09

2023-07-09T01:17:19Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions Tracking */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=9&month=7&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 9 July, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
** We are looking into moving to bugsplat.com for crash reports.
*** Updates for crash reporting are expected for 2.53.17 and '''IanN''' is testing submitting reports to BugSplat.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** We will probably switch to Server 2019 (EOL 2029) for building.
*** Depending on license cost we could also move to Server 2022.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.17.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.18 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of msys2.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: July 4th, 2023
** Next Merges: July 31st, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.114a1 on central. Gecko is at version 117 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
*** clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds if you enable crash reporting.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang 15 under Linux.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** This seems to be currently on hold.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (40)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (651)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.17 Beta''' was released on June 20th.
** We decided to skip 2.53.16.1.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1817654}}.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}} and fixed in the prerelease.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}} in the prerelease.
** {{Bug|1083470}} which disables SpiderMonkey support for E4X for-each is in the prerelease already. Please test old add-ons. Full removal will happen next.
** Initial support for Logical Assignment Operators {{Bug|1629106}} has been added thanks to '''buc'''.
** Python 2 is no longer required for building.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
+ Current and future breakage in 2.53
** {{Bug|1388317}} and {{Bug|1083458}} are on the short list for backporting to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features.
*** JS Parser updates for later updates are hard to do because of the obsolete syntax support still in.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote>
(home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

* '''New (regression) on 2023-07-08 :''' something disabled all add-ons including cZ on SeaMonkey ([http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9s build]) 2.53.18b1pre between build IDs 20230708110002 (Good) and 20230708211500 (Bad). UserC*.css seems to be still working. Tested on Linux64.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 15 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Mostly did work to get 2.53.17b1 out the door and some backports in the last three weeks.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53 codebase is evolving nicely but still a long way to go to enhance web compatibility.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday July 30th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-07-09

2023-07-09T01:09:25Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions Tracking */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=9&month=7&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 9 July, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
** We are looking into moving to bugsplat.com for crash reports.
*** Updates for crash reporting are expected for 2.53.17 and '''IanN''' is testing submitting reports to BugSplat.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** We will probably switch to Server 2019 (EOL 2029) for building.
*** Depending on license cost we could also move to Server 2022.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.17.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.18 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of msys2.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: July 4th, 2023
** Next Merges: July 31st, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.114a1 on central. Gecko is at version 117 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
*** clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds if you enable crash reporting.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang 15 under Linux.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** This seems to be currently on hold.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (40)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (651)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.17 Beta''' was released on June 20th.
** We decided to skip 2.53.16.1.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1817654}}.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}} and fixed in the prerelease.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}} in the prerelease.
** {{Bug|1083470}} which disables SpiderMonkey support for E4X for-each is in the prerelease already. Please test old add-ons. Full removal will happen next.
** Initial support for Logical Assignment Operators {{Bug|1629106}} has been added thanks to '''buc'''.
** Python 2 is no longer required for building.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
+ Current and future breakage in 2.53
** {{Bug|1388317}} and {{Bug|1083458}} are on the short list for backporting to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features.
*** JS Parser updates for later updates are hard to do because of the obsolete syntax support still in.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote>
(home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

* '''New (regression) on 2023-07-08 :''' something disabled all add-ons including cZ on SeaMonkey ([http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9s build]) 2.53.18b1pre between build IDs 20230708110002 (Good) and 20230708211500 (Bad). Tested on Linux64.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 15 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Mostly did work to get 2.53.17b1 out the door and some backports in the last three weeks.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53 codebase is evolving nicely but still a long way to go to enhance web compatibility.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday July 30th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-07-09

2023-07-09T01:05:35Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions Tracking */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=9&month=7&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 9 July, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
** We are looking into moving to bugsplat.com for crash reports.
*** Updates for crash reporting are expected for 2.53.17 and '''IanN''' is testing submitting reports to BugSplat.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** We will probably switch to Server 2019 (EOL 2029) for building.
*** Depending on license cost we could also move to Server 2022.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.17.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.18 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of msys2.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: July 4th, 2023
** Next Merges: July 31st, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.114a1 on central. Gecko is at version 117 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
*** clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds if you enable crash reporting.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* enable-elfhack does not work with clang 15 under Linux.
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
** This seems to be currently on hold.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (40)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (651)
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.17 Beta''' was released on June 20th.
** We decided to skip 2.53.16.1.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1817654}}.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}} and fixed in the prerelease.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}} in the prerelease.
** {{Bug|1083470}} which disables SpiderMonkey support for E4X for-each is in the prerelease already. Please test old add-ons. Full removal will happen next.
** Initial support for Logical Assignment Operators {{Bug|1629106}} has been added thanks to '''buc'''.
** Python 2 is no longer required for building.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
+ Current and future breakage in 2.53
** {{Bug|1388317}} and {{Bug|1083458}} are on the short list for backporting to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features.
*** JS Parser updates for later updates are hard to do because of the obsolete syntax support still in.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote>
(home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

* '''New (regression) on 2023-07-08 :''' something disabled all add-ons including cZ on SeaMonkey (WG9s build) 2.53.18b1pre between build IDs 20230708110002 (Good) and 20230708211500 (Bad). Tested on Linux64.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.53+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
*** Will probably never happen and we will stay at Sync 1.1

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 15 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Mostly did work to get 2.53.17b1 out the door and some backports in the last three weeks.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53 codebase is evolving nicely but still a long way to go to enhance web compatibility.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday July 30th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-28

2023-05-27T08:40:24Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=28&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 28 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
** We are looking into moving to bugsplat.com for crash reports.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** We will probably switch to Server 2019 (EOL 2029) for building.
*** Depending on license cost we could also move to Server 2022.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.17.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: May 8th, 2023
** Next Merges: June 5th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.112a1 on central. Gecko is at version 115 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (35)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (650)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* <s>Search bar is partially broken in 2.53.17b1pre starting 2023-05-05. {{Bug|1417119}} caused it and will be backed out soon if we can't fix it fast.</s> FIXED.
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
+ Current and future breakage in 2.53
** {{Bug|1388317}} and {{Bug|1083458}} are on the short list for backporting to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features.
*** JS Parser updates for later updates are hard to do because of the obsolete syntax support still in.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre after the meeting snad and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* <s>'''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.</s> FIXED.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote>
(home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 15 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 24 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last three weeks because of a paid work project. Work on the next release is also stalled becuase of this.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey's Library.
* {{Bug|1829683}} Remove SeaMonkey 2.57 links from debugQA.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Integrating patch from '''buc''' for {{Bug|1566141}} Implement the Nullish Coalescing operator (??) proposal.
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17 but probably not till 2.53.18.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
Problems reported at last meeting have all been fixed (mostly by IanN IIUC) or worked around. No new problems noticed. — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 08:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday June 18th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-28

2023-05-27T08:36:39Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=28&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 28 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
** We are looking into moving to bugsplat.com for crash reports.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** We will probably switch to Server 2019 (EOL 2029) for building.
*** Depending on license cost we could also move to Server 2022.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.17.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: May 8th, 2023
** Next Merges: June 5th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.112a1 on central. Gecko is at version 115 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (35)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (650)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* <s>Search bar is partially broken in 2.53.17b1pre starting 2023-05-05. {{Bug|1417119}} caused it and will be backed out soon if we can't fix it fast.</s> FIXED.
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
+ Current and future breakage in 2.53
** {{Bug|1388317}} and {{Bug|1083458}} are on the short list for backporting to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features.
*** JS Parser updates for later updates are hard to do because of the obsolete syntax support still in.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre after the meeting snad and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* <s>'''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.</s> FIXED.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote>
(home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 15 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 24 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last three weeks because of a paid work project. Work on the next release is also stalled becuase of this.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey's Library.
* {{Bug|1829683}} Remove SeaMonkey 2.57 links from debugQA.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Integrating patch from '''buc''' for {{Bug|1566141}} Implement the Nullish Coalescing operator (??) proposal.
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17 but probably not till 2.53.18.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
Problems reported at last meeting have all been fixed or worked around. No new problems noticed. — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 08:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday June 18th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-28

2023-05-27T08:32:53Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions Tracking */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=28&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 28 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
** We are looking into moving to bugsplat.com for crash reports.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** We will probably switch to Server 2019 (EOL 2029) for building.
*** Depending on license cost we could also move to Server 2022.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.17.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: May 8th, 2023
** Next Merges: June 5th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.112a1 on central. Gecko is at version 115 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (35)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (650)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* <s>Search bar is partially broken in 2.53.17b1pre starting 2023-05-05. {{Bug|1417119}} caused it and will be backed out soon if we can't fix it fast.</s> FIXED.
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
+ Current and future breakage in 2.53
** {{Bug|1388317}} and {{Bug|1083458}} are on the short list for backporting to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features.
*** JS Parser updates for later updates are hard to do because of the obsolete syntax support still in.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre after the meeting snad and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* <s>'''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.</s> FIXED.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote>
(home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system. ✔ Done.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 15 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 24 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last three weeks because of a paid work project. Work on the next release is also stalled becuase of this.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey's Library.
* {{Bug|1829683}} Remove SeaMonkey 2.57 links from debugQA.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Integrating patch from '''buc''' for {{Bug|1566141}} Implement the Nullish Coalescing operator (??) proposal.
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17 but probably not till 2.53.18.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday June 18th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-28

2023-05-27T08:26:41Z

Tonymec: /* SeaMonkey 2.53.x */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=28&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 28 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
** We are looking into moving to bugsplat.com for crash reports.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** We will probably switch to Server 2019 (EOL 2029) for building.
*** Depending on license cost we could also move to Server 2022.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.17.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: May 8th, 2023
** Next Merges: June 5th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.112a1 on central. Gecko is at version 115 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (35)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (650)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* <s>Search bar is partially broken in 2.53.17b1pre starting 2023-05-05. {{Bug|1417119}} caused it and will be backed out soon if we can't fix it fast.</s> FIXED.
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
+ Current and future breakage in 2.53
** {{Bug|1388317}} and {{Bug|1083458}} are on the short list for backporting to 2.53. Please check and try to fix extensions still using these features.
*** JS Parser updates for later updates are hard to do because of the obsolete syntax support still in.
** {{Bug|1374847}} was backported to 2.53.17b1 pre after the meeting snad and some extensions like prefbar need a simple fix.
*** nsIPrefBranch2 and nsIPrefBranchInternal needs to be changed to nsIPrefBranch.

* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote>
(home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 15 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 24 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last three weeks because of a paid work project. Work on the next release is also stalled becuase of this.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey's Library.
* {{Bug|1829683}} Remove SeaMonkey 2.57 links from debugQA.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Integrating patch from '''buc''' for {{Bug|1566141}} Implement the Nullish Coalescing operator (??) proposal.
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* Trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17 but probably not till 2.53.18.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday June 18th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

2023-05-07T00:55:30Z

Tonymec: /* SeaMonkey 2.53.x */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** '''frg''' tested building with Server 2016 to 2022 so we can switch when needed.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.16.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 10th, 2023
** Next Merges: May 8th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.111a1 on central. Gecko is at version 114 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (33)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (649)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* Search bar broke in 2.53.17b1pre around 2023-05-05. You can still select a search engine and it will autocomplete what you type if you hit ↓, but when hitting <Enter> or clicking an entry in the autocomplete menu, nothing happens.
** Searching using the exact same search plugins is still possible in the Address Bar with the Keyword Search extension (version 1.1.8.3) installed but that extension provides no autocomplete feature (and never did).
** Searching still works (and with autocomplete) in the sidebar.
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
* gtk2 and python 2 removal is being worked on.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote>
(home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last four weeks because of a paid work project. In full bug fixing mode there but hoepefully now better.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey/SM's Library.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53.16.1 is next anfd trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
See above [[#SeaMonkey 2.53.x|2.53.x]] (Search bar broken) and [[#Extensions Tracking|Extensions]] (Character Palette now unusable, and JavaScript error at startup in Sidebar for Facebook).

FWIW, I'm using [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/openSUSE openSUSE Linux Tumbleweed] on x86_64.

==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 28th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

2023-05-07T00:48:41Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** '''frg''' tested building with Server 2016 to 2022 so we can switch when needed.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.16.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 10th, 2023
** Next Merges: May 8th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.111a1 on central. Gecko is at version 114 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (33)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (649)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* Search bar broke in 2.53.17b1pre around 2023-05-05. You can still select a search engine and it will autocomplete what you type if you hit ↓, but when hitting <Enter> or clicking an entry in the autocomplete menu, nothing happens. Searching using the exact same search plugins is still possible in the Address Bar with the Keyword Search extension (version 1.1.8.3) installed but that extension provides no autocomplete feature (and never did).
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
* gtk2 and python 2 removal is being worked on.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote>
(home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last four weeks because of a paid work project. In full bug fixing mode there but hoepefully now better.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey/SM's Library.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53.16.1 is next anfd trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
See above [[#SeaMonkey 2.53.x|2.53.x]] (Search bar broken) and [[#Extensions Tracking|Extensions]] (Character Palette now unusable, and JavaScript error at startup in Sidebar for Facebook).

FWIW, I'm using [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/openSUSE openSUSE Linux Tumbleweed] on x86_64.

==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 28th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

2023-05-07T00:47:27Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions Tracking */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** '''frg''' tested building with Server 2016 to 2022 so we can switch when needed.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.16.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 10th, 2023
** Next Merges: May 8th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.111a1 on central. Gecko is at version 114 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (33)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (649)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* Search bar broke in 2.53.17b1pre around 2023-05-05. You can still select a search engine and it will autocomplete what you type if you hit ↓, but when hitting <Enter> or clicking an entry in the autocomplete menu, nothing happens. Searching using the exact same search plugins is still possible in the Address Bar with the Keyword Search extension (version 1.1.8.3) installed but that extension provides no autocomplete feature (and never did).
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
* gtk2 and python 2 removal is being worked on.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.
* '''Sidebar for Facebook™ 52.0''' gives Javascript error at startup, as follows:
<blockquote>[Exception... "Could not convert JavaScript argument arg 0 [nsISupports.QueryInterface]" nsresult: "0x80570009 (NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_CONVERT_JS)" location: "JS frame :: jar:file:///~/.mozilla/seamonkey/''xxxxxxxx.profilename''/extensions/%7B11f349ad-067f-4254-8341-d7af23eecd99%7D.xpi!/bootstrap.js :: register :: line 533" data: no]
533</blockquote>
(home directory and profile name anonymized above). No bad effects on normal SeaMonkey working. Tonymec is going to disable this extension on his system.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last four weeks because of a paid work project. In full bug fixing mode there but hoepefully now better.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey/SM's Library.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53.16.1 is next anfd trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
See above [[#SeaMonkey 2.53.x|2.53.x]] (Search bar broken) and [[#Extensions Tracking|Extensions]] (Character Palette now unusable).

FWIW, I'm using [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/openSUSE openSUSE Linux Tumbleweed] on x86_64.

==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 28th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

2023-05-06T22:49:05Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** '''frg''' tested building with Server 2016 to 2022 so we can switch when needed.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.16.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 10th, 2023
** Next Merges: May 8th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.111a1 on central. Gecko is at version 114 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (33)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (649)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* Search bar broke in 2.53.17b1pre around 2023-05-05. You can still select a search engine and it will autocomplete what you type if you hit ↓, but when hitting <Enter> or clicking an entry in the autocomplete menu, nothing happens. Searching using the exact same search plugins is still possible in the Address Bar with the Keyword Search extension (version 1.1.8.3) installed but that extension provides no autocomplete feature (and never did).
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
* gtk2 and python 2 removal is being worked on.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last four weeks because of a paid work project. In full bug fixing mode there but hoepefully now better.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey/SM's Library.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53.16.1 is next anfd trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
See above [[#SeaMonkey 2.53.x|2.53.x]] (Search bar broken) and [[#Extensions Tracking|Extensions]] (Character Palette now unusable).

FWIW, I'm using [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/openSUSE openSUSE Linux Tumbleweed] on x86_64.

==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 28th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

2023-05-06T22:42:13Z

Tonymec: /* SeaMonkey 2.53.x */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** '''frg''' tested building with Server 2016 to 2022 so we can switch when needed.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.16.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 10th, 2023
** Next Merges: May 8th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.111a1 on central. Gecko is at version 114 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (33)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (649)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* Search bar broke in 2.53.17b1pre around 2023-05-05. You can still select a search engine and it will autocomplete what you type if you hit ↓, but when hitting <Enter> or clicking an entry in the autocomplete menu, nothing happens. Searching using the exact same search plugins is still possible in the Address Bar with the Keyword Search extension (version 1.1.8.3) installed but that extension provides no autocomplete feature (and never did).
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
* gtk2 and python 2 removal is being worked on.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last four weeks because of a paid work project. In full bug fixing mode there but hoepefully now better.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey/SM's Library.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53.16.1 is next anfd trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
See above [[#SeaMonkey 2.53.x|2.53.x]] (Search bar broken) and [[#Extensions Tracking|Extensions]] (Character Palette now unusable).

==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 28th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

2023-05-06T22:39:04Z

Tonymec: /* SeaMonkey 2.53.x */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** '''frg''' tested building with Server 2016 to 2022 so we can switch when needed.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.16.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 10th, 2023
** Next Merges: May 8th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.111a1 on central. Gecko is at version 114 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (33)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (649)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* Search bar broke in 2.53.17b1pre around 2023-05-05. You can still select a search engine and it will autocomplete what you type if you hit ↓, but when hitting <Enter> or clicking an entry in the autocomplete menu, nothing happens. Searching using the exact same search plugins is still possible in the Address Bar with the Keyword Search extension (version 1.1.8.3) installed but that extension provides no autocomplete feature.
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
* gtk2 and python 2 removal is being worked on.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last four weeks because of a paid work project. In full bug fixing mode there but hoepefully now better.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey/SM's Library.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53.16.1 is next anfd trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
See above [[#SeaMonkey 2.53.x|2.53.x]] (Search bar broken) and [[#Extensions Tracking|Extensions]] (Character Palette now unusable).

==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 28th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

2023-05-06T22:37:05Z

Tonymec: /* SeaMonkey 2.53.x */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** '''frg''' tested building with Server 2016 to 2022 so we can switch when needed.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.16.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 10th, 2023
** Next Merges: May 8th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.111a1 on central. Gecko is at version 114 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (33)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (649)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
* Search bar broke in 2.53.17b1pre around 2023-05-05. You can still select a search engine and it will autocomplete what you type if you hit ↓, but when hitting <Enter> or clicking an entry in the autocomplete menu, nothing happens. Searching using the exact same search plugins is still possible in the Address Bar with the Keyword Search extension (version 1.1.8.3) installed but that extension provides no autocomplete feature.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
* gtk2 and python 2 removal is being worked on.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last four weeks because of a paid work project. In full bug fixing mode there but hoepefully now better.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey/SM's Library.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53.16.1 is next anfd trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
See above [[#SeaMonkey 2.53.x|2.53.x]] (Search bar broken) and [[#Extensions Tracking|Extensions]] (Character Palette now unusable).

==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 28th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

2023-05-06T22:32:32Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */ another typo

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** '''frg''' tested building with Server 2016 to 2022 so we can switch when needed.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.16.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 10th, 2023
** Next Merges: May 8th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.111a1 on central. Gecko is at version 114 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (33)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (649)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
* Search bar broke in 2.53.17b1pre around 2023-05-05. You can still select a search engine and it will autocomplete what you type if you hit ↓, but when hitting <Enter> or clicking an entry in the autocomplete menu, nothing happens. Searching using the exact same search plugins is still possible in the Address Bar with the Keyword Search extension (version 1.1.8.3) installed.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
* gtk2 and python 2 removal is being worked on.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last four weeks because of a paid work project. In full bug fixing mode there but hoepefully now better.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey/SM's Library.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53.16.1 is next anfd trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
See above [[#SeaMonkey 2.53.x|2.53.x]] (Search bar broken) and [[#Extensions Tracking|Extensions]] (Character Palette now unusable).

==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 28th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

2023-05-06T22:31:34Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */ typo

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** '''frg''' tested building with Server 2016 to 2022 so we can switch when needed.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.16.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 10th, 2023
** Next Merges: May 8th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.111a1 on central. Gecko is at version 114 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (33)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (649)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
* Search bar broke in 2.53.17b1pre around 2023-05-05. You can still select a search engine and it will autocomplete what you type if you hit ↓, but when hitting <Enter> or clicking an entry in the autocomplete menu, nothing happens. Searching using the exact same search plugins is still possible in the Address Bar with the Keyword Search extension (version 1.1.8.3) installed.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
* gtk2 and python 2 removal is being worked on.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last four weeks because of a paid work project. In full bug fixing mode there but hoepefully now better.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey/SM's Library.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53.16.1 is next anfd trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
See above [[#SeaMonkey 2.53.x|2.53.x]] (Search bar broken) and [[#Extensions tracking|Extensions]] (Character Palette now unusable).

==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 28th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

2023-05-06T22:30:30Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** '''frg''' tested building with Server 2016 to 2022 so we can switch when needed.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.16.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 10th, 2023
** Next Merges: May 8th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.111a1 on central. Gecko is at version 114 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (33)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (649)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
* Search bar broke in 2.53.17b1pre around 2023-05-05. You can still select a search engine and it will autocomplete what you type if you hit ↓, but when hitting <Enter> or clicking an entry in the autocomplete menu, nothing happens. Searching using the exact same search plugins is still possible in the Address Bar with the Keyword Search extension (version 1.1.8.3) installed.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
* gtk2 and python 2 removal is being worked on.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last four weeks because of a paid work project. In full bug fixing mode there but hoepefully now better.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey/SM's Library.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53.16.1 is next anfd trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
See above [[#SeaMonkey 2.53.x|2.53.x]] (Search bar broken) and [[#Extension tracking|Extensions]] (Character Palette now unusable).

==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 28th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

2023-05-06T22:27:49Z

Tonymec: /* SeaMonkey 2.53.x */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** '''frg''' tested building with Server 2016 to 2022 so we can switch when needed.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.16.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 10th, 2023
** Next Merges: May 8th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.111a1 on central. Gecko is at version 114 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (33)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (649)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
* Search bar broke in 2.53.17b1pre around 2023-05-05. You can still select a search engine and it will autocomplete what you type if you hit ↓, but when hitting <Enter> or clicking an entry in the autocomplete menu, nothing happens. Searching using the exact same search plugins is still possible in the Address Bar with the Keyword Search extension (version 1.1.8.3) installed.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
* gtk2 and python 2 removal is being worked on.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last four weeks because of a paid work project. In full bug fixing mode there but hoepefully now better.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey/SM's Library.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53.16.1 is next anfd trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 28th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-05-07

2023-05-06T22:20:54Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions Tracking */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -4 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=5&year=2023&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 May, 2023, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. Work is happening in {{Bug|1828328}}.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
* Remove 2.57 release from building notes. Working is happening in {{Bug|1823263}}.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We now use our own breakpad server for submitting crash reports.
** '''ewong''' set up the intial crash-stats server.
** 2.53.10b1 and later, including the pre builds, now use our crash server
** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
** Crash submitting does work but currently the crashes are not accessible.
** '''ewong''' is working on further inprovements for displaying crash reports.
** We currently are not generating crash reporter symbols for macOS releases.
** This might not get fixed soon because it needs a new builder and more fixes in the source tree for later clang and rust versions.
** '''frg''' tried locally in a Rocky 8 vm and the generated symbols turned out to be incomplete.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We have created repos at [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey hg heptapod] to mirror some of our code.
** Mirroring between gitlab and heptapod is being discussed.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2022. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet. So far building it is possible with gcc 8.3.1 under CentOS 7 and clang under Windows.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 14 or later.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* VS2022 is supported since 2.53.10b1 pre but building is spotty because of changes in new compiler releases.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it for now.
** VS2022 can be installed in Server 2012 R2.
*** EOL for 2012 R2 is 2023.
*** '''frg''' tested building with Server 2016 to 2022 so we can switch when needed.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 for Server 2022 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkits 10.0.22xxx.x can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in them.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
* CentOS 7 reaches EOL in 2024.
** We plan to update the builder after releasing 2.53.16.
*** This is needed for fixing the macOS build symbols issue, later compiler support, fixing the native macOS build and python 3 support among other things.
** We prefer a rpm based distribution and will set up a Rocky 8 instance.
** The minimum libstdc++ will change with 2.53.17 to the current Mozilla Firefox level.
* '''frg''' plans to update the Windows builder to the latest clang for 2.53.14.
** Plan scrapped. The x86 I built locally was a bit unstable and I need to look into it a bit more first.
* For Windows mozbuild 3.4 is working for 2.53.10 and up.
** Mozbuild 4.x is currently broken because of Python 2 and other removals but we are working on adding python 3 support to 2.53.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: April 10th, 2023
** Next Merges: May 8th, 2023 
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.111a1 on central. Gecko is at version 114 after last merge.

==== [comm-release56] ====
* The 2.53.x development builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in our [https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey heptapod] comm-release and mozilla-release repos.
** For building please apply the patches from our [https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/ gitlab 2.53 patch queue].
** The mozilla-release heptapod repo has been updated and the patch queue trimmed.
** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you need to check out the desired branch from our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab] repos.
** A cross reference is available at [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search? Cross-Reference seamonkey-2.53].
* Building stylo and webrender is currently broken but disabled by default.
* Rust 1.61+ is needed for building 2.53.16b1 and up.
* Because of needed parser updates the legacy generator syntax, iterator and old array comprehension syntax was removed in 2.53.13b1 pre.
** The add-on sdk still needs some fixes for this. Please check the prerelease for extension breakage.
* Many backports for python 3 support are now added. We expect to finally drop python 2 support in one of the next releases.
** This is slowly hitting a wall because of later glibc and llvm support needed. The CentOS 7 builder is becoming a liability here.
* l10n translations are not 100% complete for some languages. If you notice missing translations in your language consider opening an account on [https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ pontoon] and help with translation.
** The site is currently incompatible with SeaMonkey so you need a different browser for this.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 6 to 15, gcc 7.1 to 11 can be used to build on Linux or clang only for macOS.
** macOS arm builds are still not possible amd would need to be notarized which means buying an Apple developer certificate at least.
** clang 7 to 15, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64.
** VS2019 and VS2022 are currently not supported for compiling Windows x86.
** VS2022 can currently not be used for compiling Windows x64. New features in it need fixes in the source.
** Support for clang 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed. While this may work with clang 5 and up it is basically untested.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
* The latest macOS sdk is now supported in 2.53.15b1 or later.
* clang 15 is currently not supported with macOS builds.
* Native macOS builds are broken and need fixes which would break building on the CentOS 7 builder.
* Current Firefox and Thunderbird only support macOS 10.12 or higher. Based on feedback received after fixing incompatibilities we did set the minimum macOS version to 10.11.
* Web Extension dictionaries are now supported in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Language packs are now provided in the Web Extension format in 2.53.16b1 pre and up.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/ SeaMonkey 2.53.current] are now set up as "comm under mozilla".
* See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.

==== [comm-central] ====
* Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
* Do not try to use the comm-central release.
* The installer still works...
* comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
* {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
* See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
* Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* Various non SeaMonkey/comm-central specific problems now seem to pop up using mach bootstrap. One wonders how this is tested and got r+ lately...
** Builds now needs nsis 3.07 under Windows. Bootstrap fails to install it.
** Builds need "ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries" in the mozconfig for all OS. Boostrap fails to install a wasi-sysroot. You need the taskcluster package for it.
** You can also download the wasi-sysroot from [https://github.com/WebAssembly/wasi-sdk/releases/ wasi-sysroot].
* Because of some components removal build central is currently broken. Preliminary patches are in our comm-central patch repo.
* l10n support for comm-central applications will change and we need to move to a different repository in the future. See {{Bug|1766080}}.
* Cross-Reference sources for [http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/mozilla-central/ mozilla-central (including c-c)] are now setup as "comm under mozilla".
* The l10n strings for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey are now in the [https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/comm-l10n comm-l10n] repo.
** This does not affect 2.53 builds which use back merged strings from the upstream l10n repos.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (33)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (649)
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16.1''' next.
** A bugfix release is needed.
** 2.53.16 broke caldav authentication (bad backport) and viewing some invitations. Tracked in {{Bug|1826667}}.
** Apple restricted access to the native macOS address book. We need to add a new plist entry. Fixed in {{Bug|1826719}}.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.16''' was released on March 31st.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1824833}}.
** The release notes and website updates were tracked in {{Bug|1817655}}.
* WebExtension dictionary support has been added to it.
* The 2.53.16 language packs are now in the WebExtensions format for better compatibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* macOS 10.11 is now the official minimum version needed to run SeaMonkey.
* Because of bad user agent sniffing we updated the base UA version some time ago from Gecko 68 to 91.
** Youtube no longer seems to display correctly for some users only advertizing Firefox in the UA.
** Further enhancements are planned for a later release in {{Bug|1737436}}.
** We want to implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
*** The Fedora maintainer already added some of this and we will likely use this in the official release.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** Some good progress has been made and sites which do not need shadow dom start to work with dom.webcomponents.customelements.enabled and dom.webcomponents.enabled set to true.
* During mail archiving '''frg''' noticed that the maildb code might still have issues. Using the Import Export tools add-on not everything was initially exported and only after unsubscribing/subscribing to some imap folders again it worked.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
* gtk2 and python 2 removal is being worked on.

* Because of missing features some major websites are broken.
** We are backporting new features and also updating the comm-central repo for a later releasd wich is up to date with current Firefox as time permits.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features. A web compatibility bug against SeaMonkey can be filed but don't expect fast or any progress.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case problems with specific websites should be discussed in the support groups first.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped since TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 repo and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in comm-central and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.10 cZ is made available in all our shipped languages.
** Some translations are still incomplete and will be updated continuously with the latest l10n changes from upstream.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1 and 2.53.10b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are in 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped after 2.53. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension might be localized later.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}.
** Work on theme or extension support has not started.
** Support for Webextension dictionaries and language packs has been added.
** Manifest v3 support will be mandatory in 2023. Google will no longer accept new extensions using v2 in 2022.
*** We do not plan to support this in the near future.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still available. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/martok/palefill/ Palefill generic polyfill] can be used for accessing github, gitlab and other broken sites. Latest working version version is 1.23. Later versions are no longer working in SeaMonkey because of the developers decision to not fix some incompatible changes. Please disable updates or uninstall it.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.19.
** The add-on is outdated.
* [https://github.com/dirkf/downthemall-was-legacy/ DownThemAll] fixed 3.1.2 version for 2.53.10 and up.
* The Stylish forks [https://github.com/Lootyhoof/stylem/releases/tag/v2.2.8/ stylem] and [https://github.com/dirkf/stylem/releases/tag/2.2.8-df/ stylem df version] work in 2.53.13.
* GreaseMonkey got broken by a needed locale code update in 2.53.15. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14948699#p14948699/] for a do it yourself fix.
* '''Character Palette 0.4.1.1-signed.1-signed''' has become unusable at some time around 2023-05-01. It still has a toolbar and lets you choose a palette, but that palette is not displayed.

* '''IanN''' created a SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* NPAPI support including Flash has been fully removed in {{Bug|1688415}} and follow-ups.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
** '''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
** With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
** We test 2.53. by compiling the Thunderbird or Firefox code and use these tests.

* Stalled Stuff. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later native arm support will be looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14th 2021. If bad links are found on the website and in SeaMonkey they will be updated as time permits.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 19 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 25 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
*** Overlays were removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. xbl is gone and was replaced with custom elements and voodoo logic.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* For updates the following bugs should be looked into:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Again didn't do much SeaMonkey work in the last four weeks because of a paid work project. In full bug fixing mode there but hoepefully now better.

Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.
* {{Bug|1619108}} Add an option to load new opened tab(s) in background from SeaMonkey/SM's Library.

Checkin ready:
* {{Bug|1826719}} SeaMonkey is unable to access the macOS contacts starting with macOS 11

Reviewing:
* nothing

Working on:
* Backporting {{Bug|1634135}} Enable new regexp engine. Waterfox Classic did it some time ago but our codebase is a bit different in parts here. Again did a few more rebases.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* Many things. Trying to get web compatibility fixes in but slow go because of missing prerequisites.
* Bringing ICU and tzdata up to the current level for 2.53. Some progress with alignment of the intl code. Now at ICU 64.2.
* RDF removal with '''IanN''' for 2.53 and up. Full removal for 2.53 will only happen if it does not break critical or too many add-ons.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first but '''buc''' came up with an alternate patch.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Syncing 2.53 with Waterfox mozilla patches.

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.

Shelved for later:
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions. '''IanN''' already fixed a bunch of stuff.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Titbits:
* 2.53.16.1 is next anfd trying to get some js enhancements into 2.53.17.

==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== Tobin====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* We decided to switch the meeting schedule to a 3 week interval. If the date is a holiday it will be moved up a week and then goes back to 3 weeks.
** Should business be booming again we will probably move back to the old schedule. For now not enough traffic to justify the two week schedule.
* The next meeting will be held in three weeks on Sunday May 28th, 2023, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-08-09

2020-08-08T12:54:49Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking */ oops! typo

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=9&month=8&year=2020&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 9 August, 2020, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://chat.freenode.net/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel] on Freenode
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''mnyromyr''' needs to move the SeaMonkey e.V. wiki to a new server. '''mcsmurf''' has discussed this with him after the meeting. It will probably be moved to one of our infra servers later.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. {{Bug|1356106}} has already been filed.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are building up a new infrastructure using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''ewong''' waits for info from '''mhoye''' to be able to work out traffic requirements.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''frg''' thinks we should move the config files for building out of the source tree as much as possible.
** '''IanN''' remarked that they are tied to the version in the tree.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
* We are waiting for Mozilla to transfer the SeaMonkey domains to SeaMonkey e.V.
** Domain transfer from Mozilla is well underway. Mozilla has submitted the subdomain information and domains are now transferred one by one.
* We need a breakpad server for submitting crash reports. Thunderbird is also also affected and must set up their own server.
** The date we need to switch has been postponed by Mozilla. We will be able to use the Mozilla crash-stats till Q2 2021.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We are looking at [https://foss.heptapod.net/public hg heptapod] to mirror some of code. Plans not finalized yet.
** If we do this then mirroring between gitlab and heptapod needs to be figured out.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
** Mercurial and [https://foss.heptapod.net/mercurial/tortoisehg/thg Tortoise Hg] are now hosted there after bitbucket dropped hg and removed all repos.



=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Starting with ESR60 2.57 all builds need to switch to mozilla as topsourcedir. Support for comm-central and comm-esr60 as top source dir is no longer supported.
** Do not expect to use any 2.58+ release yet other than for checking if it builds. They are fundamentally broken by Mozilla source and api removals. Bugs for the 2.57 release will also land in comm-central.

* [comm-central]:
** Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
** Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** The installer still works...
** comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
** {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages. This is not up to date.

* [comm-beta]:
** We currently do not track nor update comm-beta.
** Do not try to use any current comm-beta based release.
** See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages.
** Current comm-beta is becoming the next ESR 78.

* [comm-release]:
** We currently do not track nor update comm-release.
** Do not use any current comm-release based release.
** For building please apply the patches from Bills website to the noted comm-release and mozilla-release changeset.
*** An updated unofficial 2.53.4 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
*** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you can also check out from [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab].
*** stylo and webrender building is currently broken but disabled by default.
*** For building please stay at Rust 1.37 for now under Windows.

* [comm-esr78]:
** Thunderbird plans to do a unified comm-esr78 repository including the mozilla Gecko code.
** Thunderbird will use a separate l10n repository to be able to do point releases with l10n changes.
** We are still updating the code and will not be able to do initial ESR78 based releases.

* [comm-esr68]:
** There are currently no plans for a SeaMonkey release based on comm-esr68.
** Do not try to use any comm-esr68 based release.
** We will not track nor update comm-esr68 for now
** The next ESR release will be based on Gecko 78.

* [comm-esr60]:
** The repo is closed. Future patches will be checked into our gitlab 2.57 repos.
*** The gitlab repos have been set up but will remain private until the first alpha build is released. The patches from the unofficial release will be kept up to date for building 2.57.
** Sidebar, Help and Mail/News are broken because of XUL template removals. See {{Bug|464710}}.
** Do not expect to use the 2.57 release yet other than for testing.
** An unofficial 2.57 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it but it is only provided for testing purposes and not very usable at the moment. Please file bugs only against the browser part or the ChatZilla and debugQA add-ons unless you know a specific problem is new and needs to be fixed. In any case check the existing bug reports to not generate bug noise.
** If you want to use Rust 1.33 and up you need the patches available on Bills site.
** Building with webrender enabled (unsupported and not working) with Rust 1.37 or higher currently does not work.
** For building with stylo (default) please stay at Rust 1.37 for now.
** See {{Bug|1433370}} for current 2.57 breakages.




=== Release Train ===
* SeaMonkey 2.53.x / Gecko 56 in our gitlab comm-release repo.
** We plan to release 2.53.4 beta 1 end of July or early in August.
*** The 2.53.4 beta release is tracked in {{Bug|1652314}}.
*** The release notes and website update is tracked in {{Bug|1652316}}.
** '''The 2.53.3 final has been released on July 3rd!'''
*** The sources can be checked out from the 2_53_3_final branch in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].
*** The 2.53.3 final release was tracked in {{Bug|1647129}}.
*** The release notes and website update were tracked in {{Bug|1647130}}.
** NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
*** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
** Rust 1.41.0 and later compatibility is being worked on. This is tracked in {{Bug|1617782}}.
*** Compiling with a current rust version should now work under Linux only with stylo and webrender disabled.
** Session Manager 0.8.13 needs a minor fix to be compatible with current and future 2.53.x releases.
*** Replace nsIJSXMLHttpRequest with nsIXMLHttpRequest in session_manager-0.8.1.13\packages\overlay.js line 46.
** Toolbar Buttons 1.1 and 1.1.1 is broken because it uses an obsolete and removed string l10n api. Standalone toolbar buttons and 1.0.2.1 seem to work.
** NPAPI support other than for Flash has been discontinued. The release notes address this.
** The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
*** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Security fixes are backported frequently. '''frg''' tries to keep it as current as possible in his spare time.
*** The big security problems which were in the public up to 77 are fixed.
*** The current security level as of today is more or less at 60.8. Goal is to to be on par with latest ESR 60 and then move up.
*** ICU60, Skia m66, sqlite 3.31.1 NSS 3.52.1, NSPR 4.25 and TLS 1.3 have been backported for 2.53.3.
** Compiler support is up to date.
*** clang 5, 7, 8 or 9, gcc 6.1, gcc 7 to 9 can be used to build 2.53.3 on Linux or clang only for macOS. Support for gcc 5.x and 4.x has been removed.
*** clang 10 support is being tested. gcc 9 did not get much testing so ymmv.
*** clang 7, 8 or 9, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows. Support for VS2015 and earlier VS2017 versions has been removed.
*** The official releases are compiled with VS2019 for Windows, gcc 6 for Linux and clang 5 for macOS. Rust 1.37 is used.
** The unofficial release is now at 2.53.4 Beta 1 pre.
*** 2.53.x fixes are available from the [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ wg9s website].
*** Support for vertical tab display is added in {{Bug|1607041}}.
** WebExtentions dictionary support should be enabled as soon as possible in 2.53.
** The internal devtools inspector works for chrome content in SeaMonkey.
** Lightning is now a packed extension. If you upgrade to 2.53.x from 2.49.5 or earlier please remove the old version first.
*** '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
** We are looking into adding support for the AV1 codec, Custom Elements and Shadow Dom in a later release. No ETA yet. This is or will also be supported in 2.57.
*** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** mozbuild 3.3 is currently not supported under Windows. Please stay with 3.2 for now.
** Some users report heavy memory usage compared to 2.49.5 but no specific problem or common cause has been found yet.
* SeaMonkey 2.57 Gecko 60 in comm-esr60.
** SeaMonkey 2.57 will be developed together with 2.53 and then released as soon as possible.
*** Because of not enough developers this is a slow go and we will distribute interim 2.53 versions.
*** 2.57 is missing fixes and ports already in 2.53. The source is currently being updated frequently because of this.
*** '''IanN''' also backported later patches from 61 and up to ease the transition.
** 2.57 will be build from a new 2.57 gitlab repo based on the '''comm-esr60''' repo.
*** The sources are currently marked private in our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].
*** An alpha 1 source is being prepared.
*** The comm-esr60 repos are closed. All fixes not in them are available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ wg9s website] until the gitlab repo is ready.
*** '''frg''' maintains the patches for 2.57 on gitlab in a private repo. As with 2.53 anyone who wants access can send him an email but Bills repo is usually up to date.
*** Some missing enhancements and changes from 2.53.x are currently ported by '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** Mail and news are still broken in SeaMonkey 2.57.
** Ad and Script Blocker support needs WebExtension support in SeaMonkey 2.57.
*** Like 2.53 l10n needs to be hand rolled. The strings from 2.53 and comm-central will be used as a base.
*** To test l10n building 2.57 is now available in German on [https://www.wg9s.com/comm-257-de/de/ wg9s website].
**** The cZ language pack is no longer compatible because 2.57 switches to webextension language packs. A hack has been put into the de package till this is solved.
*** comm-central only patches must not delete any strings in the suite en-US directory until 2.57 is out.
**** For backported changes strings can be deleted.
*** When doing patches please make sure to change the l10n labels when the content changes.
*** cZ strings will be copied to suite. This is tracked in {{Bug|1606400}}.
*** cZ, debugQA and the Lightning extension will be compatible with 2.57.
*** DOMi is currently broken in 2.57 and we plan to retire it for 2.57. See also {{Bug|1273222}}.
** Thunderbird did switch to WebExtension dictionaries.
** Compiling 2.57 with rust >= 1.33 needs fixes which are only in the unofficial patches queues. Webrender does not compile with rust 1.38 and up.
** VS2019 and other current compiler support was ported from 2.53 to 2.57.
*** sqlite 3.31.1 NSS 3.49 NSPR 4.24 and TLS 1.3 have been backported.
*** We currently do not plan to switch to ESR68 because of source plus api removals and changes. We will continue to use the esr60 branch for now.
** Lighting will be fully integrated into TB 78. We plan to port this to 2.57 at least.
* General SeaMonkey release issues.
** For now we will not use a Meta bug to track problems in ESR 68/78. {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages will kept up to date.
** '''ewong''' tries to fix the update process for the aus3 server. This is broken since 2.48.
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up {{Bug|1367257}}.
*** Remaining issues are with menu borders and submenu arrows (Core {{Bug|1267982}} and {{Bug|1334679}})
** When updates are working again the following bugs need to be looked into:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.
** Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: July 27th, 2020
** Next Merges: August 24th, 2020 ''(mozilla-beta → mozilla-release pre-merges are no longer announced separately)''
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.78a1. Gecko is at version 81.
*** The mozilla-esr78 and comm-esr78 repositories are now active for ESR78 support.
**** {{Bug|1644037}} tracks the TB 78 release. Automatic upgrades will probably only be done after 78.2 was released.

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* Most extensions are now broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+ because of Mozilla api removals.
** '''WG9s''' fixed ChatZilla for 2.57. The patches have been reviewed and checked in.
*** Further fixes have been checked in because of recent 2.57 changes.
*** It will probably never work again without a rewrite in 2.58+/61+ because of overlay and other removals.
** DOMi is broken in 2.56+. See {{Bug|1429936}}.
*** The developer of DOM Inspector Plus has fixed his extension and we can use the fixes for DOMi.
*** The latest round of new patches for 2.57 has broken it. We will retire it later unless devtools then is missing an important feature from it.
** Thunderbird is expanding WebExtension support.
** Lightning is packed directly into Thunderbird and SeaMonkey now. This was done in {{Bug|1451847}} for SeaMonkey.
*** Lightning is also now integrated into Thunderbird and no longer an extension. We think about backporting this for 2.57.

* Thunderbird plans to discontinue classic add-ons with the next ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail will be discontinued and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration is tracked in {{Bug|22687}}.

* cZ and DOMi should be integrated into SeaMonkey because of the l10n problem previously tracked in {{Bug|1231349}}.
** '''IanN''' suggested forking them and has created {{Bug|1551033}}. The l10n files for DOMi will be moved into l10n-central.
*** '''IanN''' is ready to import them into the comm tree. He just needs to decide when and if (esp with DOMi if devtools can be got to work).
** The language pack for cZ will be removed and a translated cZ will be included. Language packs need to be in WebExtension format for 2.57 otherwise.

* Our distributed extensions do not get updated during a new install.
** '''IanN''' plans to look into this.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}. As of now working on this has not started.
** Support for adding Web extension dictionaries in 2.53 has started.
** This would be needed for a ESR60 based SeaMonkey 2.57.

* Evaluation if some extension functionality should be incorporated will need to be done for the 2.57 release.
** Lightning is still working in 2.57.
** NoScript, Adblock Plus and uBlock are broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+
** SeaTab X2 and Version Number work in 2.57.
** debugQA works in 2.57.
** Chatzilla 0.9.96 works in 2.53 and 2.57.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still being updated. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.20.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 dated June 9, 2020, its Release Notes say "Compatibility with SeaMonkey 2.53.2"; it seems to work in WG9S's 2.53.5b1pre too. ATN says it supports Sm 2.33 – 2.62.

* '''IanN''' created an SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* We might need a SeaMonkey Calendar component in bugzilla.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.



==== 2.53.x release branch (2.53.3 released) ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (30)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (2)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (194)

==== 2.57.x next esr release branch (future) ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (73)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.57 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey257esr&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey256&v2=2.57 fixed] (229)

==== 2.Next ====
* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
'''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.

* The search.json format will change soon. We need to look into this only if we plan to do a ESR 78 based release.

* We might need new SeaMonkey bugzilla component for tracking website problems with our product.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case probles with specific websites only should be disucssed in the support groups first.

* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 17 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 20 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. Only bindings used in Firefox will be kept for now until they are replaced with who-knows-what.
*** Overlays are now also gradually being removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
** For github you need to set the gecko Version to 60.
** We plan to add a generic user agent for github and 2.49 / 2.53 only. See {{Bug|1505460}}.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1441016}} Port {{Bug|1414390}} "Add intl.locale.requested locale list to replace general.useragent.locale" to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* The next meeting will be held in two weeks on Sunday August 23, 2020, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-08-09

2020-08-08T12:54:02Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking */ follow-up on previous change

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=9&month=8&year=2020&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 9 August, 2020, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://chat.freenode.net/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel] on Freenode
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''mnyromyr''' needs to move the SeaMonkey e.V. wiki to a new server. '''mcsmurf''' has discussed this with him after the meeting. It will probably be moved to one of our infra servers later.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. {{Bug|1356106}} has already been filed.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are building up a new infrastructure using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''ewong''' waits for info from '''mhoye''' to be able to work out traffic requirements.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''frg''' thinks we should move the config files for building out of the source tree as much as possible.
** '''IanN''' remarked that they are tied to the version in the tree.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
* We are waiting for Mozilla to transfer the SeaMonkey domains to SeaMonkey e.V.
** Domain transfer from Mozilla is well underway. Mozilla has submitted the subdomain information and domains are now transferred one by one.
* We need a breakpad server for submitting crash reports. Thunderbird is also also affected and must set up their own server.
** The date we need to switch has been postponed by Mozilla. We will be able to use the Mozilla crash-stats till Q2 2021.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We are looking at [https://foss.heptapod.net/public hg heptapod] to mirror some of code. Plans not finalized yet.
** If we do this then mirroring between gitlab and heptapod needs to be figured out.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
** Mercurial and [https://foss.heptapod.net/mercurial/tortoisehg/thg Tortoise Hg] are now hosted there after bitbucket dropped hg and removed all repos.



=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Starting with ESR60 2.57 all builds need to switch to mozilla as topsourcedir. Support for comm-central and comm-esr60 as top source dir is no longer supported.
** Do not expect to use any 2.58+ release yet other than for checking if it builds. They are fundamentally broken by Mozilla source and api removals. Bugs for the 2.57 release will also land in comm-central.

* [comm-central]:
** Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
** Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** The installer still works...
** comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
** {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages. This is not up to date.

* [comm-beta]:
** We currently do not track nor update comm-beta.
** Do not try to use any current comm-beta based release.
** See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages.
** Current comm-beta is becoming the next ESR 78.

* [comm-release]:
** We currently do not track nor update comm-release.
** Do not use any current comm-release based release.
** For building please apply the patches from Bills website to the noted comm-release and mozilla-release changeset.
*** An updated unofficial 2.53.4 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
*** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you can also check out from [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab].
*** stylo and webrender building is currently broken but disabled by default.
*** For building please stay at Rust 1.37 for now under Windows.

* [comm-esr78]:
** Thunderbird plans to do a unified comm-esr78 repository including the mozilla Gecko code.
** Thunderbird will use a separate l10n repository to be able to do point releases with l10n changes.
** We are still updating the code and will not be able to do initial ESR78 based releases.

* [comm-esr68]:
** There are currently no plans for a SeaMonkey release based on comm-esr68.
** Do not try to use any comm-esr68 based release.
** We will not track nor update comm-esr68 for now
** The next ESR release will be based on Gecko 78.

* [comm-esr60]:
** The repo is closed. Future patches will be checked into our gitlab 2.57 repos.
*** The gitlab repos have been set up but will remain private until the first alpha build is released. The patches from the unofficial release will be kept up to date for building 2.57.
** Sidebar, Help and Mail/News are broken because of XUL template removals. See {{Bug|464710}}.
** Do not expect to use the 2.57 release yet other than for testing.
** An unofficial 2.57 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it but it is only provided for testing purposes and not very usable at the moment. Please file bugs only against the browser part or the ChatZilla and debugQA add-ons unless you know a specific problem is new and needs to be fixed. In any case check the existing bug reports to not generate bug noise.
** If you want to use Rust 1.33 and up you need the patches available on Bills site.
** Building with webrender enabled (unsupported and not working) with Rust 1.37 or higher currently does not work.
** For building with stylo (default) please stay at Rust 1.37 for now.
** See {{Bug|1433370}} for current 2.57 breakages.




=== Release Train ===
* SeaMonkey 2.53.x / Gecko 56 in our gitlab comm-release repo.
** We plan to release 2.53.4 beta 1 end of July or early in August.
*** The 2.53.4 beta release is tracked in {{Bug|1652314}}.
*** The release notes and website update is tracked in {{Bug|1652316}}.
** '''The 2.53.3 final has been released on July 3rd!'''
*** The sources can be checked out from the 2_53_3_final branch in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].
*** The 2.53.3 final release was tracked in {{Bug|1647129}}.
*** The release notes and website update were tracked in {{Bug|1647130}}.
** NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
*** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
** Rust 1.41.0 and later compatibility is being worked on. This is tracked in {{Bug|1617782}}.
*** Compiling with a current rust version should now work under Linux only with stylo and webrender disabled.
** Session Manager 0.8.13 needs a minor fix to be compatible with current and future 2.53.x releases.
*** Replace nsIJSXMLHttpRequest with nsIXMLHttpRequest in session_manager-0.8.1.13\packages\overlay.js line 46.
** Toolbar Buttons 1.1 and 1.1.1 is broken because it uses an obsolete and removed string l10n api. Standalone toolbar buttons and 1.0.2.1 seem to work.
** NPAPI support other than for Flash has been discontinued. The release notes address this.
** The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
*** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Security fixes are backported frequently. '''frg''' tries to keep it as current as possible in his spare time.
*** The big security problems which were in the public up to 77 are fixed.
*** The current security level as of today is more or less at 60.8. Goal is to to be on par with latest ESR 60 and then move up.
*** ICU60, Skia m66, sqlite 3.31.1 NSS 3.52.1, NSPR 4.25 and TLS 1.3 have been backported for 2.53.3.
** Compiler support is up to date.
*** clang 5, 7, 8 or 9, gcc 6.1, gcc 7 to 9 can be used to build 2.53.3 on Linux or clang only for macOS. Support for gcc 5.x and 4.x has been removed.
*** clang 10 support is being tested. gcc 9 did not get much testing so ymmv.
*** clang 7, 8 or 9, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows. Support for VS2015 and earlier VS2017 versions has been removed.
*** The official releases are compiled with VS2019 for Windows, gcc 6 for Linux and clang 5 for macOS. Rust 1.37 is used.
** The unofficial release is now at 2.53.4 Beta 1 pre.
*** 2.53.x fixes are available from the [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ wg9s website].
*** Support for vertical tab display is added in {{Bug|1607041}}.
** WebExtentions dictionary support should be enabled as soon as possible in 2.53.
** The internal devtools inspector works for chrome content in SeaMonkey.
** Lightning is now a packed extension. If you upgrade to 2.53.x from 2.49.5 or earlier please remove the old version first.
*** '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
** We are looking into adding support for the AV1 codec, Custom Elements and Shadow Dom in a later release. No ETA yet. This is or will also be supported in 2.57.
*** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** mozbuild 3.3 is currently not supported under Windows. Please stay with 3.2 for now.
** Some users report heavy memory usage compared to 2.49.5 but no specific problem or common cause has been found yet.
* SeaMonkey 2.57 Gecko 60 in comm-esr60.
** SeaMonkey 2.57 will be developed together with 2.53 and then released as soon as possible.
*** Because of not enough developers this is a slow go and we will distribute interim 2.53 versions.
*** 2.57 is missing fixes and ports already in 2.53. The source is currently being updated frequently because of this.
*** '''IanN''' also backported later patches from 61 and up to ease the transition.
** 2.57 will be build from a new 2.57 gitlab repo based on the '''comm-esr60''' repo.
*** The sources are currently marked private in our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].
*** An alpha 1 source is being prepared.
*** The comm-esr60 repos are closed. All fixes not in them are available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ wg9s website] until the gitlab repo is ready.
*** '''frg''' maintains the patches for 2.57 on gitlab in a private repo. As with 2.53 anyone who wants access can send him an email but Bills repo is usually up to date.
*** Some missing enhancements and changes from 2.53.x are currently ported by '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** Mail and news are still broken in SeaMonkey 2.57.
** Ad and Script Blocker support needs WebExtension support in SeaMonkey 2.57.
*** Like 2.53 l10n needs to be hand rolled. The strings from 2.53 and comm-central will be used as a base.
*** To test l10n building 2.57 is now available in German on [https://www.wg9s.com/comm-257-de/de/ wg9s website].
**** The cZ language pack is no longer compatible because 2.57 switches to webextension language packs. A hack has been put into the de package till this is solved.
*** comm-central only patches must not delete any strings in the suite en-US directory until 2.57 is out.
**** For backported changes strings can be deleted.
*** When doing patches please make sure to change the l10n labels when the content changes.
*** cZ strings will be copied to suite. This is tracked in {{Bug|1606400}}.
*** cZ, debugQA and the Lightning extension will be compatible with 2.57.
*** DOMi is currently broken in 2.57 and we plan to retire it for 2.57. See also {{Bug|1273222}}.
** Thunderbird did switch to WebExtension dictionaries.
** Compiling 2.57 with rust >= 1.33 needs fixes which are only in the unofficial patches queues. Webrender does not compile with rust 1.38 and up.
** VS2019 and other current compiler support was ported from 2.53 to 2.57.
*** sqlite 3.31.1 NSS 3.49 NSPR 4.24 and TLS 1.3 have been backported.
*** We currently do not plan to switch to ESR68 because of source plus api removals and changes. We will continue to use the esr60 branch for now.
** Lighting will be fully integrated into TB 78. We plan to port this to 2.57 at least.
* General SeaMonkey release issues.
** For now we will not use a Meta bug to track problems in ESR 68/78. {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages will kept up to date.
** '''ewong''' tries to fix the update process for the aus3 server. This is broken since 2.48.
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up {{Bug|1367257}}.
*** Remaining issues are with menu borders and submenu arrows (Core {{Bug|1267982}} and {{Bug|1334679}})
** When updates are working again the following bugs need to be looked into:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.
** Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: July 27th, 2020
** Next Merges: August 24th, 2020 ''(mozilla-beta → mozilla-release pre-merges are no longer announced separately)''
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.78a1. Gecko is at version 81.
*** The mozilla-esr78 and comm-esr78 repositories are now active for ESR78 support.
**** {{Bug|1644037}} tracks the TB 78 release. Automatic upgrades will probably only be done after 78.2 was released.

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* Most extensions are now broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+ because of Mozilla api removals.
** '''WG9s''' fixed ChatZilla for 2.57. The patches have been reviewed and checked in.
*** Further fixes have been checked in because of recent 2.57 changes.
*** It will probably never work again without a rewrite in 2.58+/61+ because of overlay and other removals.
** DOMi is broken in 2.56+. See {{Bug|1429936}}.
*** The developer of DOM Inspector Plus has fixed his extension and we can use the fixes for DOMi.
*** The latest round of new patches for 2.57 has broken it. We will retire it later unless devtools then is missing an important feature from it.
** Thunderbird is expanding WebExtension support.
** Lightning is packed directly into Thunderbird and SeaMonkey now. This was done in {{Bug|1451847}} for SeaMonkey.
*** Lightning is also now integrated into Thunderbird and no longer an extension. We think about backporting this for 2.57.

* Thunderbird plans to discontinue classic add-ons with the next ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail will be discontinued and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration is tracked in {{Bug|22687}}.

* cZ and DOMi should be integrated into SeaMonkey because of the l10n problem previously tracked in {{Bug|1231349}}.
** '''IanN''' suggested forking them and has created {{Bug|1551033}}. The l10n files for DOMi will be moved into l10n-central.
*** '''IanN''' is ready to import them into the comm tree. He just needs to decide when and if (esp with DOMi if devtools can be got to work).
** The language pack for cZ will be removed and a translated cZ will be included. Language packs need to be in WebExtension format for 2.57 otherwise.

* Our distributed extensions do not get updated during a new install.
** '''IanN''' plans to look into this.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}. As of now working on this has not started.
** Support for adding Web extension dictionaries in 2.53 has started.
** This would be needed for a ESR60 based SeaMonkey 2.57.

* Evaluation if some extension functionality should be incorporated will need to be done for the 2.57 release.
** Lightning is still working in 2.57.
** NoScript, Adblock Plus and uBlock are broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+
** SeaTab X2 and Version Number work in 2.57.
** debugQA works in 2.57.
** Chatzilla 0.9.96 works in 2.53 and 2.57.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still being updated. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.20.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 dated June 9, 2020, its Release Notes say "Compatibility with SeaMonkey 2.53.2"; it seems to work in WG9S's 2.53.5b1pre too. AMT says it supports Sm 2.33 – 2.62.

* '''IanN''' created an SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* We might need a SeaMonkey Calendar component in bugzilla.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.



==== 2.53.x release branch (2.53.3 released) ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (30)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (2)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (194)

==== 2.57.x next esr release branch (future) ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (73)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.57 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey257esr&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey256&v2=2.57 fixed] (229)

==== 2.Next ====
* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
'''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.

* The search.json format will change soon. We need to look into this only if we plan to do a ESR 78 based release.

* We might need new SeaMonkey bugzilla component for tracking website problems with our product.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case probles with specific websites only should be disucssed in the support groups first.

* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 17 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 20 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. Only bindings used in Firefox will be kept for now until they are replaced with who-knows-what.
*** Overlays are now also gradually being removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
** For github you need to set the gecko Version to 60.
** We plan to add a generic user agent for github and 2.49 / 2.53 only. See {{Bug|1505460}}.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1441016}} Port {{Bug|1414390}} "Add intl.locale.requested locale list to replace general.useragent.locale" to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* The next meeting will be held in two weeks on Sunday August 23, 2020, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2020-08-09

2020-08-08T12:36:33Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking */ Session Manager + a few cosmetic changes

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=9&month=8&year=2020&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 9 August, 2020, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://chat.freenode.net/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel] on Freenode
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* '''mnyromyr''' needs to move the SeaMonkey e.V. wiki to a new server. '''mcsmurf''' has discussed this with him after the meeting. It will probably be moved to one of our infra servers later.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. {{Bug|1356106}} has already been filed.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are building up a new infrastructure using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''ewong''' waits for info from '''mhoye''' to be able to work out traffic requirements.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''frg''' thinks we should move the config files for building out of the source tree as much as possible.
** '''IanN''' remarked that they are tied to the version in the tree.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
* We are waiting for Mozilla to transfer the SeaMonkey domains to SeaMonkey e.V.
** Domain transfer from Mozilla is well underway. Mozilla has submitted the subdomain information and domains are now transferred one by one.
* We need a breakpad server for submitting crash reports. Thunderbird is also also affected and must set up their own server.
** The date we need to switch has been postponed by Mozilla. We will be able to use the Mozilla crash-stats till Q2 2021.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We are looking at [https://foss.heptapod.net/public hg heptapod] to mirror some of code. Plans not finalized yet.
** If we do this then mirroring between gitlab and heptapod needs to be figured out.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
** Mercurial and [https://foss.heptapod.net/mercurial/tortoisehg/thg Tortoise Hg] are now hosted there after bitbucket dropped hg and removed all repos.



=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Starting with ESR60 2.57 all builds need to switch to mozilla as topsourcedir. Support for comm-central and comm-esr60 as top source dir is no longer supported.
** Do not expect to use any 2.58+ release yet other than for checking if it builds. They are fundamentally broken by Mozilla source and api removals. Bugs for the 2.57 release will also land in comm-central.

* [comm-central]:
** Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
** Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** The installer still works...
** comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
** {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages. This is not up to date.

* [comm-beta]:
** We currently do not track nor update comm-beta.
** Do not try to use any current comm-beta based release.
** See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages.
** Current comm-beta is becoming the next ESR 78.

* [comm-release]:
** We currently do not track nor update comm-release.
** Do not use any current comm-release based release.
** For building please apply the patches from Bills website to the noted comm-release and mozilla-release changeset.
*** An updated unofficial 2.53.4 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
*** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you can also check out from [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab].
*** stylo and webrender building is currently broken but disabled by default.
*** For building please stay at Rust 1.37 for now under Windows.

* [comm-esr78]:
** Thunderbird plans to do a unified comm-esr78 repository including the mozilla Gecko code.
** Thunderbird will use a separate l10n repository to be able to do point releases with l10n changes.
** We are still updating the code and will not be able to do initial ESR78 based releases.

* [comm-esr68]:
** There are currently no plans for a SeaMonkey release based on comm-esr68.
** Do not try to use any comm-esr68 based release.
** We will not track nor update comm-esr68 for now
** The next ESR release will be based on Gecko 78.

* [comm-esr60]:
** The repo is closed. Future patches will be checked into our gitlab 2.57 repos.
*** The gitlab repos have been set up but will remain private until the first alpha build is released. The patches from the unofficial release will be kept up to date for building 2.57.
** Sidebar, Help and Mail/News are broken because of XUL template removals. See {{Bug|464710}}.
** Do not expect to use the 2.57 release yet other than for testing.
** An unofficial 2.57 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it but it is only provided for testing purposes and not very usable at the moment. Please file bugs only against the browser part or the ChatZilla and debugQA add-ons unless you know a specific problem is new and needs to be fixed. In any case check the existing bug reports to not generate bug noise.
** If you want to use Rust 1.33 and up you need the patches available on Bills site.
** Building with webrender enabled (unsupported and not working) with Rust 1.37 or higher currently does not work.
** For building with stylo (default) please stay at Rust 1.37 for now.
** See {{Bug|1433370}} for current 2.57 breakages.




=== Release Train ===
* SeaMonkey 2.53.x / Gecko 56 in our gitlab comm-release repo.
** We plan to release 2.53.4 beta 1 end of July or early in August.
*** The 2.53.4 beta release is tracked in {{Bug|1652314}}.
*** The release notes and website update is tracked in {{Bug|1652316}}.
** '''The 2.53.3 final has been released on July 3rd!'''
*** The sources can be checked out from the 2_53_3_final branch in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].
*** The 2.53.3 final release was tracked in {{Bug|1647129}}.
*** The release notes and website update were tracked in {{Bug|1647130}}.
** NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
*** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
** Rust 1.41.0 and later compatibility is being worked on. This is tracked in {{Bug|1617782}}.
*** Compiling with a current rust version should now work under Linux only with stylo and webrender disabled.
** Session Manager 0.8.13 needs a minor fix to be compatible with current and future 2.53.x releases.
*** Replace nsIJSXMLHttpRequest with nsIXMLHttpRequest in session_manager-0.8.1.13\packages\overlay.js line 46.
** Toolbar Buttons 1.1 and 1.1.1 is broken because it uses an obsolete and removed string l10n api. Standalone toolbar buttons and 1.0.2.1 seem to work.
** NPAPI support other than for Flash has been discontinued. The release notes address this.
** The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
*** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Security fixes are backported frequently. '''frg''' tries to keep it as current as possible in his spare time.
*** The big security problems which were in the public up to 77 are fixed.
*** The current security level as of today is more or less at 60.8. Goal is to to be on par with latest ESR 60 and then move up.
*** ICU60, Skia m66, sqlite 3.31.1 NSS 3.52.1, NSPR 4.25 and TLS 1.3 have been backported for 2.53.3.
** Compiler support is up to date.
*** clang 5, 7, 8 or 9, gcc 6.1, gcc 7 to 9 can be used to build 2.53.3 on Linux or clang only for macOS. Support for gcc 5.x and 4.x has been removed.
*** clang 10 support is being tested. gcc 9 did not get much testing so ymmv.
*** clang 7, 8 or 9, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows. Support for VS2015 and earlier VS2017 versions has been removed.
*** The official releases are compiled with VS2019 for Windows, gcc 6 for Linux and clang 5 for macOS. Rust 1.37 is used.
** The unofficial release is now at 2.53.4 Beta 1 pre.
*** 2.53.x fixes are available from the [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ wg9s website].
*** Support for vertical tab display is added in {{Bug|1607041}}.
** WebExtentions dictionary support should be enabled as soon as possible in 2.53.
** The internal devtools inspector works for chrome content in SeaMonkey.
** Lightning is now a packed extension. If you upgrade to 2.53.x from 2.49.5 or earlier please remove the old version first.
*** '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
** We are looking into adding support for the AV1 codec, Custom Elements and Shadow Dom in a later release. No ETA yet. This is or will also be supported in 2.57.
*** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** mozbuild 3.3 is currently not supported under Windows. Please stay with 3.2 for now.
** Some users report heavy memory usage compared to 2.49.5 but no specific problem or common cause has been found yet.
* SeaMonkey 2.57 Gecko 60 in comm-esr60.
** SeaMonkey 2.57 will be developed together with 2.53 and then released as soon as possible.
*** Because of not enough developers this is a slow go and we will distribute interim 2.53 versions.
*** 2.57 is missing fixes and ports already in 2.53. The source is currently being updated frequently because of this.
*** '''IanN''' also backported later patches from 61 and up to ease the transition.
** 2.57 will be build from a new 2.57 gitlab repo based on the '''comm-esr60''' repo.
*** The sources are currently marked private in our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].
*** An alpha 1 source is being prepared.
*** The comm-esr60 repos are closed. All fixes not in them are available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ wg9s website] until the gitlab repo is ready.
*** '''frg''' maintains the patches for 2.57 on gitlab in a private repo. As with 2.53 anyone who wants access can send him an email but Bills repo is usually up to date.
*** Some missing enhancements and changes from 2.53.x are currently ported by '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** Mail and news are still broken in SeaMonkey 2.57.
** Ad and Script Blocker support needs WebExtension support in SeaMonkey 2.57.
*** Like 2.53 l10n needs to be hand rolled. The strings from 2.53 and comm-central will be used as a base.
*** To test l10n building 2.57 is now available in German on [https://www.wg9s.com/comm-257-de/de/ wg9s website].
**** The cZ language pack is no longer compatible because 2.57 switches to webextension language packs. A hack has been put into the de package till this is solved.
*** comm-central only patches must not delete any strings in the suite en-US directory until 2.57 is out.
**** For backported changes strings can be deleted.
*** When doing patches please make sure to change the l10n labels when the content changes.
*** cZ strings will be copied to suite. This is tracked in {{Bug|1606400}}.
*** cZ, debugQA and the Lightning extension will be compatible with 2.57.
*** DOMi is currently broken in 2.57 and we plan to retire it for 2.57. See also {{Bug|1273222}}.
** Thunderbird did switch to WebExtension dictionaries.
** Compiling 2.57 with rust >= 1.33 needs fixes which are only in the unofficial patches queues. Webrender does not compile with rust 1.38 and up.
** VS2019 and other current compiler support was ported from 2.53 to 2.57.
*** sqlite 3.31.1 NSS 3.49 NSPR 4.24 and TLS 1.3 have been backported.
*** We currently do not plan to switch to ESR68 because of source plus api removals and changes. We will continue to use the esr60 branch for now.
** Lighting will be fully integrated into TB 78. We plan to port this to 2.57 at least.
* General SeaMonkey release issues.
** For now we will not use a Meta bug to track problems in ESR 68/78. {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages will kept up to date.
** '''ewong''' tries to fix the update process for the aus3 server. This is broken since 2.48.
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up {{Bug|1367257}}.
*** Remaining issues are with menu borders and submenu arrows (Core {{Bug|1267982}} and {{Bug|1334679}})
** When updates are working again the following bugs need to be looked into:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.
** Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: July 27th, 2020
** Next Merges: August 24th, 2020 ''(mozilla-beta → mozilla-release pre-merges are no longer announced separately)''
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.78a1. Gecko is at version 81.
*** The mozilla-esr78 and comm-esr78 repositories are now active for ESR78 support.
**** {{Bug|1644037}} tracks the TB 78 release. Automatic upgrades will probably only be done after 78.2 was released.

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* Most extensions are now broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+ because of Mozilla api removals.
** '''WG9s''' fixed ChatZilla for 2.57. The patches have been reviewed and checked in.
*** Further fixes have been checked in because of recent 2.57 changes.
*** It will probably never work again without a rewrite in 2.58+/61+ because of overlay and other removals.
** DOMi is broken in 2.56+. See {{Bug|1429936}}.
*** The developer of DOM Inspector Plus has fixed his extension and we can use the fixes for DOMi.
*** The latest round of new patches for 2.57 has broken it. We will retire it later unless devtools then is missing an important feature from it.
** Thunderbird is expanding WebExtension support.
** Lightning is packed directly into Thunderbird and SeaMonkey now. This was done in {{Bug|1451847}} for SeaMonkey.
*** Lightning is also now integrated into Thunderbird and no longer an extension. We think about backporting this for 2.57.

* Thunderbird plans to discontinue classic add-ons with the next ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail will be discontinued and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration is tracked in {{Bug|22687}}.

* cZ and DOMi should be integrated into SeaMonkey because of the l10n problem previously tracked in {{Bug|1231349}}.
** '''IanN''' suggested forking them and has created {{Bug|1551033}}. The l10n files for DOMi will be moved into l10n-central.
*** '''IanN''' is ready to import them into the comm tree. He just needs to decide when and if (esp with DOMi if devtools can be got to work).
** The language pack for cZ will be removed and a translated cZ will be included. Language packs need to be in WebExtension format for 2.57 otherwise.

* Our distributed extensions do not get updated during a new install.
** '''IanN''' plans to look into this.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}. As of now working on this has not started.
** Support for adding Web extension dictionaries in 2.53 has started.
** This would be needed for a ESR60 based SeaMonkey 2.57.

* Evaluation if some extension functionality should be incorporated will need to be done for the 2.57 release.
** Lightning is still working in 2.57.
** NoScript, Adblock Plus and uBlock are broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+
** SeaTab X2 and Version Number work in 2.57.
** debugQA works in 2.57.
** Chatzilla 0.9.96 works in 2.53 and 2.57.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still being updated. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.20.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 dated June 9, 2020, its Release Notes say "Compatibility with SeaMonkey 2.53.2"; it seems to work in WG9S's 2.53.5b1pre too.

* '''IanN''' created an SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* We might need a SeaMonkey Calendar component in bugzilla.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.



==== 2.53.x release branch (2.53.3 released) ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (30)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (2)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (194)

==== 2.57.x next esr release branch (future) ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (73)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.57 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey257esr&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey256&v2=2.57 fixed] (229)

==== 2.Next ====
* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
'''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.

* The search.json format will change soon. We need to look into this only if we plan to do a ESR 78 based release.

* We might need new SeaMonkey bugzilla component for tracking website problems with our product.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case probles with specific websites only should be disucssed in the support groups first.

* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 17 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 20 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. Only bindings used in Firefox will be kept for now until they are replaced with who-knows-what.
*** Overlays are now also gradually being removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
** For github you need to set the gecko Version to 60.
** We plan to add a generic user agent for github and 2.49 / 2.53 only. See {{Bug|1505460}}.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1441016}} Port {{Bug|1414390}} "Add intl.locale.requested locale list to replace general.useragent.locale" to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* The next meeting will be held in two weeks on Sunday August 23, 2020, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-12-02

2018-12-05T05:55:30Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=2&month=12&year=2018&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 2 December, 2018, 14:00 UTC]
** (9am Eastern, 2pm UK, 3pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
** It was decided during the October 28 meeting to move the start time to 14:00 UTC throughout the year, thus no longer observing Daylight Saving Time.
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): frg IanN rsx11m Bob WG9s

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''WG9s and his cat'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. {{bug|1356106}} has already been filed.
* Planning the future of SeaMonkey with a new infrastructure is in progress.
** The documentation on the website needs to be updated for recent build config changes. '''frg''' can support anyone who wants to do this.
*** This includes outdated links and other content in the [https://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/ SeaMonkey Development Resources page].
** '''ewong''' started thinking about the servers needed for hosting releases and builds.
*** We are unsure how much traffic we need. '''WG9s''' might be able to help out initially with hosting builds.
* '''daniel''' mentioned that Azure Pipelines (build agent) is now free to use and also included free build time for Open Source projects.
** '''ewong''' will look into it. It might be useful in the future to save us money.
* '''daniel''' asked if there are any plans to provide github repos to attract new developers.
** '''frg''' mentioned that currently this is not planned and might not be on the agenda in the forseeable future because of existing developer shortages.
** Mozilla does this to a degree and we don't rule it out in the future. See [https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/ Mozilla gecko-dev repo] as an example.
* '''Bob''' offered some help wrt accessibility. He initially can test Windows builds.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* The Thunderbird devs proposed some changes to the comm-central repo [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.planning/XzN4iMco_TQ comm-central future as a branch]. No tasks for us right now and no new developments here.
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Old infrastructure has been decommissioned.
* Any tree information and builds will be updated once the new infrastructure is running.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''daniel''' wants to contact ewong and asking about our azure configuration.
** If the build VMs are powered down when not in use we should save money.



=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Starting with ESR60 2.57 all builds need to switch to mozilla as topsourcedir. Support for comm-central and comm-esr60 as top source dir is no longer supported.
** Do not expect to use any 2.58+ release yet other than for checking if it builds. They are fundamentally broken by Mozilla source and api removals. We are currently fixing up 2.57 in the ESR60 repo right now and will tackle this later. Bugs for the 2.57 release will also land in comm-central.
* Treeherder display is broken in SeaMonkey 2.49 and 2.53. It has redraw problems with 2.57 because of bad js. We do not use it. It is only good for picking packages for cross compiling.

* [comm-central]:
** Do not use the comm-central release.
** The installer still works...
** l10n is broken in comm-central because of search plugin issues. If we switch to search/list.json then we need to keep the l10n searchplugin xml files for esr60 or switch esr60 too.
** There is more and more needed api and source support taken out of mozilla-central. It is unclear if we will ever be able to use this repo again.
** We keep it at least building as long as we can.
** {bug|1490765}} broke building all comm-central applications without advance notice. A workaround in {bug|1490867}} was pushed until this is fully fixed.
** {bug|1502457}} broke versioning for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey. We are now picking up the Firefox version everywhere. Only SEAMONKEY_VERSION is still correct.
** Bug to add current SeaMonkey version numbers to bugzilla has not been filed yet.
** The first patches for cross-compiling Windows builds on Linux are now checked in according to '''IanN'''.
** New builds tools are needed to compile comm-central. Latest addition is nasm which will replace the unmaintained yasm.
** See {{bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages. This is not up to date.
* [comm-beta]:
** We currently do not track nor update comm-beta.
** Do not use any current comm-beta based release.
** See {{bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages.
* [comm-release]:
** We currently do not track nor update comm-release.
** Do not use any current comm-release based release.
** An updated unofficial 2.53 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it but it is only provided for testing purposes on the way to 2.57.
** See {{bug|1379370}} for current 2.53 breakages. All known major bugs for 2.53 are closed.
* [comm-esr60]:
** Sidebar, Help and Mail/News are broken because of XUL template removals. See {{bug|464710}}.
** Do not expect to use the 2.57 release yet other than for testing.
** An unofficial 2.57 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it but it is only provided for testing purposes and not very usable at the moment. Please file bugs only against the browser part unless you know a specific problem is new and needs to be fixed. In any case check the existing bug reports to not generate bug noise.
** See {{bug|1433370}} for current 2.57 breakages.
* [comm-esr52]:
** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.
** Builds from this repo are the only ones fully usable right now.
** Security backports and updated platform support is not yet checked in. Needs to be evaluated what is to be taken when the infra is ready. An unoffcial 2.49.5 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/ WG9's website]. See [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-09-16#Release_Train Release Train].




=== Release Train ===
* comm-central is now on SeaMonkey 2.62a1
** next merge day: December 3rd
* Gecko 60 / SeaMonkey 2.57 is now the ESR branch
** SeaMonkey 2.57 will be the next major release after 2.49.x becomes EOL.
** 2.57 will be build from the '''comm-esr60''' repo.
** Mail and news are still broken in SeaMonkey 2.57 (Thunderbird is now at 60.3.0).
** Not all patches with l10n-relevant string changes are done for 2.57. '''frg''' has figured out a way to do this using strings from later l10n-central releases (suite directory only). He tried this with a local l10n dir and it turned out ok.
*** '''IanN''' will test it later but there is currently no alternatives presented.
*** '''IanN''' suggested asking '''Pike''' or '''flod''' about it.
*** With the preliminary solution no buildbot changes would be needed.
*** comm-central only patches must not delete any strings in the suite en-US directory until 2.57 is out.
*** When doing patches please make sure to change the l10n labels when the content changes.
*** cZ, DOMi and the Lightning extension will be compatible with 2.57.
*** At least cZ and DOMi might again be excluded because of the l10n problem tracked in {{bug|1231349}}.

* 2.49.4 has been released on July 27th
** 2.49.5 will be done on the new infrastructure only. There is no ETA yet.
*** Because of {{Bug|1489785}} do not upgrade to macOS 10.14 yet if you can avoid it.
** '''ewong''' tries to fix the update process for the aus3 server. This is broken since 2.48 and did not block the 2.49.4 release.
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up {{bug|1367257}}.
*** Remaining issues are with menu borders and submenu arrows (Core {{bug|1267982}} and {{bug|1334679}})
** The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.49.5:
*** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
*** {{Bug|1406049}} is not yet fixed but has a limited audience.
*** {{Bug|1385667}} and {{Bug|1394149}} fix build issues with gcc 7. We will evaluate if we can backport them in mozilla-esr52.
**** '''frg''' did gcc 7 builds and they had serious redraw problems. We will not use gcc 7 for building 2.49.5 on Linux.
**** '''NewTobinParadigm''' says Basilik is ok with gcc 7.
** The 2.49.x releases use branches in hg.
*** [https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-esr52/shortlog/SEAMONKEY_2_49_ESR_RELBRANCH SEAMONKEY_2_49_ESR_RELBRANCH] has been created in comm-esr52.
*** [https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-esr52/shortlog/THUNDERBIRD_52_VERBRANCH THUNDERBIRD_52_VERBRANCH ] is used for SeaMonkey 2.49.x in mozilla-esr52.
** When updates are working again the following bugs need to be looked into:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.
** cZ, DOMi and the Lightning extension will again be excluded because of the l10n problem tracked in {{bug|1231349}}.
** We are evaluating doing official Linux and Windows x64 builds for a future 2.49.x release. This will only happen when the new infrastructure is ready.
** '''IanN''' will look into including My and pt-BR locales in a future 2.49.x. '''frg''' can create patches based on l10n-release and l10n-central suite but these would need to be manually fixed by the translators and checked into a comm-release branch. We did this with nb-NO in {{bug|1391174}}.
** Because 2.57 is not yet ready we plan to backport security fixes for future 2.49.x releases.
*** We will set up new branches in comm-esr52 and mozilla-esr52 for building future 2.49.x releases.
*** '''frg''' did backport all but 3 ESR60.2 fixes. He will look into TB 60 Bugs and the prerequisites for the missing fixes later.
*** The plan is to backport all security relevant ESR fixes to 2.49.5.
**** '''frg''' also backported support for VS2017 and the latest Windows toolkit to 2.49. '''ewong''' agrees that VS2017 should be used. We will check this into the new release branch when ready.
**** The new fixes and backported security fixes can be found on [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/patches/mozilla-249/ Bills wg9s website]. They include the older TB52 verbranch fixes and can be used to do a completely new mozilla-esr52 branch for SeaMonkey. They need to be evaluated before checkin. Some private fixes need to be taken out.
*** '''frg''' will file a 2.49.5 release bug soon and include the proposed mozilla-esr52 patch queue for discussion or pushing.
**** mozilla-esr52 is closed but '''IanN''' thinks we can push to it.

* An official 2.53 Beta might be done later.
** A release would need l10n translations. The temporary solution for 2.57 will not work for this release.
** A release would need further security fixes. '''frg''' tries to keep it as current as possible in his spare time.
*** The big security problems which were in the public are fixed.
*** The current security level as of today is more or less at 52.9. Goal is to to be on par with latest ESR 60 soon.
*** ICU60, Skia m66, NSS 3.38, NSPR 4.19 and so TLS 1.3 have been backported.
** The last known regression compared to 2.49.x has been fixed in 2.53.
** Bill posts the patch files from '''frg''' containing the backported source and fixes on [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ his wg9s website] for 2.53.
*** '''frg''' maintains the patches for 2.53 on gitlab in a private repo. Anyone who wants access can send him an email but Bills repo is usually up to date.
*** The repo minus any private fixes could be used to create beta branches for 2.53.
** '''IanN''' thinks we can do a 2.53 branch in c-r and m-r so that we can include the backported bugs.

* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.

* Windows x64 releases
** Unofficial (contributed build) Win64 builds work.
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.

* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===

* Most extensions are now broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+ because of Mozilla api removals.
** '''WG9s''' fixed ChatZilla for 2.57. The patches have been reviewed and checked in.
*** It will probably never work again without a rewrite in 2.58+/61+ because of overlay and other removals.
** DOMi is broken in 2.56+. See {{bug|1429936}}.
*** The developer of DOM Inspector Plus has fixed his extension and we can use the fixes for DOMi.
*** '''frg''' has DOMi working for 2.57 using the patches but some minor issues still remain.
**** A work-in-progress version is available at [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/].
** The devtools can inspect chrome content but this needs to be fixed in SeaMonkey. It works in Thunderbird.
*** DOMi might be retired later when this works. It is currently not built. See also {{Bug|1273222}}.
** The addon-SDK has been removed.
** SMILE has been removed in 2.57.
** Non bootstrapped add-on support has been removed in 2.58+.
** Bootstrapped add-on support will be removed in Gecko 65.
** Support for unpacked extensions has been removed.
** Overlay support has been removed from Gecko 62. Thunderbird did build a lightweight solution for converting existing overlays.
** Thunderbird has added preliminary WebExtension support to Thunderbird 63.
** Lightning is packed directly into Thunderbird and SeaMonkey now. This was done in {{Bug|1451847}} for SeaMonkey.
*** While packed directly it is still maintained as an extension
** Add-ons need to switch to optionsType 3 for 2.57. TB did a fix showing the preferences in the menu list. We need to port this bug for 2.57.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}. As of now working on this has not started.
** This would be needed for a ESR60 based SeaMonkey 2.57.

* Evaluation if some extension functionality should be incorporated will need to be done for the 2.57 release.
** Lightning is still working in 2.57 and directly distributed starting with 2.57.
** NoScript, Adblock Plus and uBlock are broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+
** SeaTab X2 and Version Number work in 2.57.
** debugQA works in 2.57.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** [https://addons.mozilla.org/] redirects to it. 2.57 has already been switched over to the new site in {{Bug|1475799}}.
*** 2.57, comm-central and the inofficial 2.53 already have updated prefs. We plan to do this for a future 2.49 release.
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly
integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** For Thunderbird a new add-on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/thunderbird-addons-test/] is available to switch addons.mozilla.org to addons.thunderbird net.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.
* NoScript Classic 5.x is still being updated. You can get it from [https://noscript.net/getit]. Currently 5.1.9.
* uBlock Origin is still being updated. You can get it from [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases]. You need to pick the latest legacy version. Currently 1.16.4.5.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* Old add-on signing methods has been removed. SeaMonkey and Thunderbird still use them per thread "removing "the old way" of signing add-ons" in mozilla.dev.platform. Apparently dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/soâ€¦sions/content/xpinstallConfirm.xul contain the references to them.

'''CLOSED'''
* This all goes nowhere or is really old news so lets remove it in the next meeting notes.
** Unused (in mozilla-central code) xbl bindings are slowly removed. We are being informed about this. '''stefanh''' and '''paenglab''' did fix the first removals. A shared directory for moved bindings used in all comm-central products has been created.
** SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k. ADI is about 116,000 on 2.48; about 597,000 on 2.46. Unclear how this translates into installations but around 70.000 users are on the release channel.
*** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
*** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
*** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''


==== 2.49.x current releases ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.49 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey249&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey248&v2=2.49 fixed] (80)

==== 2.57.x next release branch ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.57 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey257esr&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey256&v2=2.57 fixed] (83)

==== 2.Next ====
* macOS cross-compiling
* '''frg''' did cross compile all relevant trees on Linux starting with comm-esr52 sucessfully using the instructions from '''IanN''' in {{bug|1379062}}. He has a small cross compile guide available.
** It is not sure if the cross-compile can create universal macOS 2.49.x builds needed for plugin suppprt but this will only become urgent when the new infra is up and only for 2.49.x. macOS support for x86 applications is discontinued anyway.
** Building with the 10.11 SDK need the fixes in {{bug|1391790}} for macOS 10.13.
** For cross compiling a recent Rust cross package and the cross toolchains are needed. For local use they can be extracted from any Firefox macOS taskcluster build.
** '''WG9s''' plans to provide cross-compile builds on his [https://www.wg9s.com/ website].

* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code.
 See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
'''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.

* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug.
* Nightly and Aurora updates are broken. {{bug|1321131}} might be the cause. Aurora users need to be migrated to another channel if possible.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 2 new, 1 fixed, 3 triaged.
* not much activity on trunk, fixes landed on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 14 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 11 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. Only bindings used in Firefox will be kept for now until they are replaced with who-knows-what.
*** Overlays are now also gradually being removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google servicves like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
** For github you need to set the gecko Version to 60.
** We plan to add a generic user agent for github and 2.49 / 2.53 only. See {{Bug|1505460}}.

* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.
* {{Bug|1506440}} Align SeaMonkey mailnews source structure with Thunderbird.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|670476}} Port {{Bug|432287}} - Add buttons and icons for zoom in/out to toolbar customization palette. Should we take the basic part without ui to 52?
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Waiting for branch approval:
* Patches for a new mozilla-esr52 SeaMonkey 2.49 branch are at [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/patches/mozilla-249/ WG9's 2.49 webpage]. These include all TB52 verbranch fixes. We just need to decide what to take. No bug yet.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Working on:
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first.
* Fixing up mailnews for 2.57.
* Fixing up debugQA.
* Integrating DOMi Plus patches into DOMi.
* Fixing up 2.53
* Backporting ESR 60 fixes to 2.49.5
* Backporting platform support for VS2017, later Rust and later clang for macOS.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Helping '''MMR''' with {{Bug|1444740}} Drop support for -moz-border-*-colors in SeaMonkey. He seems to have dropped out :(

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.
** 2.58+ is broken in capital letters as in BROKEN.

Shelved for later:

* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* {{Bug|1379062}} Enable cross-compile on SeaMonkey Linux machines. 2.49.x to 2.57 compiles fine locally.
* {{Bug|1392929}} Port Bug 886907 [Remove old synchronous contentPrefService] to SeaMonkey.
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Mostly shelved for now because no time:
* {{Bug|1231349}} 10n repacks broken on with SM 2.42 and newer. DebugQA WIP patch done. extensions temporary disabled to get l10n builds.
* {{Bug|1374094}} Update debugQA extension for older SeaMonkey versions. Need to move a function from editor into the patch and retest it.
* {{Bug|1402645}} Build Lightning binary components for 2.49.1. '''Needed for 2.49.1!'''. Temporary fix in the esr branch.
* Putting updated debugQA and DOMi extensions on TBN. Started with debugQA and noticed that it was no longer compatible with older versions.

Titbits:
* 2.53 now has up to date skia, NSS and ICU and is at latest ESR52.9 level. More to come.
* Again paid work took most of my spare time away in the last two weeks so not much done.

==== IanN ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* The last meeting of 2018 will be held on Sunday December 16, then again January 6, 2019, 14:00 UTC.
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-12-02

2018-12-05T05:54:15Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=2&month=12&year=2018&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 2 December, 2018, 14:00 UTC]
** (9am Eastern, 2pm UK, 3pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
** It was decided during the October 28 meeting to move the start time to 14:00 UTC throughout the year, thus no longer observing Daylight Saving Time.
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): frg IanN rsx11m Bob WG9s

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''WG9s and his cat'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. {{bug|1356106}} has already been filed.
* Planning the future of SeaMonkey with a new infrastructure is in progress.
** The documentation on the website needs to be updated for recent build config changes. '''frg''' can support anyone who wants to do this.
*** This includes outdated links and other content in the [https://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/ SeaMonkey Development Resources page].
** '''ewong''' started thinking about the servers needed for hosting releases and builds.
*** We are unsure how much traffic we need. '''WG9s''' might be able to help out initially with hosting builds.
* '''daniel''' mentioned that Azure Pipelines (build agent) is now free to use and also included free build time for Open Source projects.
** '''ewong''' will look into it. It might be useful in the future to save us money.
* '''daniel''' asked if there are any plans to provide github repos to attract new developers.
** '''frg''' mentioned that currently this is not planned and might not be on the agenda in the forseeable future because of existing developer shortages.
** Mozilla does this to a degree and we don't rule it out in the future. See [https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/ Mozilla gecko-dev repo] as an example.
* '''Bob''' offered some help wrt accessibility. He initially can test Windows builds.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* The Thunderbird devs proposed some changes to the comm-central repo [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.planning/XzN4iMco_TQ comm-central future as a branch]. No tasks for us right now and no new developments here.
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* Old infrastructure has been decommissioned.
* Any tree information and builds will be updated once the new infrastructure is running.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''daniel''' wants to contact ewong and asking about our azure configuration.
** If the build VMs are powered down when not in use we should save money.



=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Starting with ESR60 2.57 all builds need to switch to mozilla as topsourcedir. Support for comm-central and comm-esr60 as top source dir is no longer supported.
** Do not expect to use any 2.58+ release yet other than for checking if it builds. They are fundamentally broken by Mozilla source and api removals. We are currently fixing up 2.57 in the ESR60 repo right now and will tackle this later. Bugs for the 2.57 release will also land in comm-central.
* Treeherder display is broken in SeaMonkey 2.49 and 2.53. It has redraw problems with 2.57 because of bad js. We do not use it. It is only good for picking packages for cross compiling.

* [comm-central]:
** Do not use the comm-central release.
** The installer still works...
** l10n is broken in comm-central because of search plugin issues. If we switch to search/list.json then we need to keep the l10n searchplugin xml files for esr60 or switch esr60 too.
** There is more and more needed api and source support taken out of mozilla-central. It is unclear if we will ever be able to use this repo again.
** We keep it at least building as long as we can.
** {bug|1490765}} broke building all comm-central applications without advance notice. A workaround in {bug|1490867}} was pushed until this is fully fixed.
** {bug|1502457}} broke versioning for Thunderbird and SeaMonkey. We are now picking up the Firefox version everywhere. Only SEAMONKEY_VERSION is still correct.
** Bug to add current SeaMonkey version numbers to bugzilla has not been filed yet.
** The first patches for cross-compiling Windows builds on Linux are now checked in according to '''IanN'''.
** New builds tools are needed to compile comm-central. Latest addition is nasm which will replace the unmaintained yasm.
** See {{bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages. This is not up to date.
* [comm-beta]:
** We currently do not track nor update comm-beta.
** Do not use any current comm-beta based release.
** See {{bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages.
* [comm-release]:
** We currently do not track nor update comm-release.
** Do not use any current comm-release based release.
** An updated unofficial 2.53 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it but it is only provided for testing purposes on the way to 2.57.
** See {{bug|1379370}} for current 2.53 breakages. All known major bugs for 2.53 are closed.
* [comm-esr60]:
** Sidebar, Help and Mail/News are broken because of XUL template removals. See {{bug|464710}}.
** Do not expect to use the 2.57 release yet other than for testing.
** An unofficial 2.57 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it but it is only provided for testing purposes and not very usable at the moment. Please file bugs only against the browser part unless you know a specific problem is new and needs to be fixed. In any case check the existing bug reports to not generate bug noise.
** See {{bug|1433370}} for current 2.57 breakages.
* [comm-esr52]:
** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.
** Builds from this repo are the only ones fully usable right now.
** Security backports and updated platform support is not yet checked in. Needs to be evaluated what is to be taken when the infra is ready. An unoffcial 2.49.5 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/ WG9's website]. See [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-09-16#Release_Train Release Train].




=== Release Train ===
* comm-central is now on SeaMonkey 2.62a1
** next merge day: December 3rd
* Gecko 60 / SeaMonkey 2.57 is now the ESR branch
** SeaMonkey 2.57 will be the next major release after 2.49.x becomes EOL.
** 2.57 will be build from the '''comm-esr60''' repo.
** Mail and news are still broken in SeaMonkey 2.57 (Thunderbird is now at 60.3.0).
** Not all patches with l10n-relevant string changes are done for 2.57. '''frg''' has figured out a way to do this using strings from later l10n-central releases (suite directory only). He tried this with a local l10n dir and it turned out ok.
*** '''IanN''' will test it later but there is currently no alternatives presented.
*** '''IanN''' suggested asking '''Pike''' or '''flod''' about it.
*** With the preliminary solution no buildbot changes would be needed.
*** comm-central only patches must not delete any strings in the suite en-US directory until 2.57 is out.
*** When doing patches please make sure to change the l10n labels when the content changes.
*** cZ, DOMi and the Lightning extension will be compatible with 2.57.
*** At least cZ and DOMi might again be excluded because of the l10n problem tracked in {{bug|1231349}}.

* 2.49.4 has been released on July 27th
** 2.49.5 will be done on the new infrastructure only. There is no ETA yet.
*** Because of {{Bug|1489785}} do not upgrade to macOS 10.14 yet if you can avoid it.
** '''ewong''' tries to fix the update process for the aus3 server. This is broken since 2.48 and did not block the 2.49.4 release.
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up {{bug|1367257}}.
*** Remaining issues are with menu borders and submenu arrows (Core {{bug|1267982}} and {{bug|1334679}})
** The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.49.5:
*** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
*** {{Bug|1406049}} is not yet fixed but has a limited audience.
*** {{Bug|1385667}} and {{Bug|1394149}} fix build issues with gcc 7. We will evaluate if we can backport them in mozilla-esr52.
**** '''frg''' did gcc 7 builds and they had serious redraw problems. We will not use gcc 7 for building 2.49.5 on Linux.
**** '''NewTobinParadigm''' says Basilik is ok with gcc 7.
** The 2.49.x releases use branches in hg.
*** [https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-esr52/shortlog/SEAMONKEY_2_49_ESR_RELBRANCH SEAMONKEY_2_49_ESR_RELBRANCH] has been created in comm-esr52.
*** [https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-esr52/shortlog/THUNDERBIRD_52_VERBRANCH THUNDERBIRD_52_VERBRANCH ] is used for SeaMonkey 2.49.x in mozilla-esr52.
** When updates are working again the following bugs need to be looked into:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.
** cZ, DOMi and the Lightning extension will again be excluded because of the l10n problem tracked in {{bug|1231349}}.
** We are evaluating doing official Linux and Windows x64 builds for a future 2.49.x release. This will only happen when the new infrastructure is ready.
** '''IanN''' will look into including My and pt-BR locales in a future 2.49.x. '''frg''' can create patches based on l10n-release and l10n-central suite but these would need to be manually fixed by the translators and checked into a comm-release branch. We did this with nb-NO in {{bug|1391174}}.
** Because 2.57 is not yet ready we plan to backport security fixes for future 2.49.x releases.
*** We will set up new branches in comm-esr52 and mozilla-esr52 for building future 2.49.x releases.
*** '''frg''' did backport all but 3 ESR60.2 fixes. He will look into TB 60 Bugs and the prerequisites for the missing fixes later.
*** The plan is to backport all security relevant ESR fixes to 2.49.5.
**** '''frg''' also backported support for VS2017 and the latest Windows toolkit to 2.49. '''ewong''' agrees that VS2017 should be used. We will check this into the new release branch when ready.
**** The new fixes and backported security fixes can be found on [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/patches/mozilla-249/ Bills wg9s website]. They include the older TB52 verbranch fixes and can be used to do a completely new mozilla-esr52 branch for SeaMonkey. They need to be evaluated before checkin. Some private fixes need to be taken out.
*** '''frg''' will file a 2.49.5 release bug soon and include the proposed mozilla-esr52 patch queue for discussion or pushing.
**** mozilla-esr52 is closed but '''IanN''' thinks we can push to it.

* An official 2.53 Beta might be done later.
** A release would need l10n translations. The temporary solution for 2.57 will not work for this release.
** A release would need further security fixes. '''frg''' tries to keep it as current as possible in his spare time.
*** The big security problems which were in the public are fixed.
*** The current security level as of today is more or less at 52.9. Goal is to to be on par with latest ESR 60 soon.
*** ICU60, Skia m66, NSS 3.38, NSPR 4.19 and so TLS 1.3 have been backported.
** The last known regression compared to 2.49.x has been fixed in 2.53.
** Bill posts the patch files from '''frg''' containing the backported source and fixes on [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ his wg9s website] for 2.53.
*** '''frg''' maintains the patches for 2.53 on gitlab in a private repo. Anyone who wants access can send him an email but Bills repo is usually up to date.
*** The repo minus any private fixes could be used to create beta branches for 2.53.
** '''IanN''' thinks we can do a 2.53 branch in c-r and m-r so that we can include the backported bugs.

* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.

* Windows x64 releases
** Unofficial (contributed build) Win64 builds work.
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.

* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===

* Most extensions are now broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+ because of Mozilla api removals.
** '''WG9s''' fixed ChatZilla for 2.57. The patches have been reviewed and checked in.
*** It will probably never work again without a rewrite in 2.58+/61+ because of overlay and other removals.
** DOMi is broken in 2.56+. See {{bug|1429936}}.
*** The developer of DOM Inspector Plus has fixed his extension and we can use the fixes for DOMi.
*** '''frg''' has DOMi working for 2.57 using the patches but some minor issues still remain.
**** A work-in-progress version is available at [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/].
** The devtools can inspect chrome content but this needs to be fixed in SeaMonkey. It works in Thunderbird.
*** DOMi might be retired later when this works. It is currently not built. See also {{Bug|1273222}}.
** The addon-SDK has been removed.
** SMILE has been removed in 2.57.
** Non bootstrapped add-on support has been removed in 2.58+.
** Bootstrapped add-on support will be removed in Gecko 65.
** Support for unpacked extensions has been removed.
** Overlay support has been removed from Gecko 62. Thunderbird did build a lightweight solution for converting existing overlays.
** Thunderbird has added preliminary WebExtension support to Thunderbird 63.
** Lightning is packed directly into Thunderbird and SeaMonkey now. This was done in {{Bug|1451847}} for SeaMonkey.
*** While packed directly it is still maintained as an extension
** Add-ons need to switch to optionsType 3 for 2.57. TB did a fix showing the preferences in the menu list. We need to port this bug for 2.57.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}. As of now working on this has not started.
** This would be needed for a ESR60 based SeaMonkey 2.57.

* Evaluation if some extension functionality should be incorporated will need to be done for the 2.57 release.
** Lightning is still working in 2.57 and directly distributed starting with 2.57.
** NoScript, Adblock Plus and uBlock are broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+
** SeaTab X2 and Version Number work in 2.57.
** debugQA works in 2.57.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** [https://addons.mozilla.org/] redirects to it. 2.57 has already been switched over to the new site in {{Bug|1475799}}.
*** 2.57, comm-central and the inofficial 2.53 already have updated prefs. We plan to do this for a future 2.49 release.
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly
integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** For Thunderbird a new add-on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/thunderbird-addons-test/] is available to switch addons.mozilla.org to addons.thunderbird net.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.
* NoScript Classic 5.x is still being updated. You can get it from [https://noscript.net/getit]. Currently 5.1.9.
* uBlock Origin is still being updated. You can get it from [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases]. You need to pick the latest legacy version. Currently 1.16.4.5.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* Old add-on signing methods has been removed. SeaMonkey and Thunderbird still use them per thread "removing "the old way" of signing add-ons" in mozilla.dev.platform. Apparently dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/soâ€¦sions/content/xpinstallConfirm.xul contain the references to them.

'''CLOSED'''
* This all goes nowhere or is really old news so lets remove it in the next meeting notes.
** Unused (in mozilla-central code) xbl bindings are slowly removed. We are being informed about this. '''stefanh''' and '''paenglab''' did fix the first removals. A shared directory for moved bindings used in all comm-central products has been created.
** SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k. ADI is about 116,000 on 2.48; about 597,000 on 2.46. Unclear how this translates into installations but around 70.000 users are on the release channel.
*** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
*** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
*** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''


==== 2.49.x current releases ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.49 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey249&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey248&v2=2.49 fixed] (80)

==== 2.57.x next release branch ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.57 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey257esr&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey256&v2=2.57 fixed] (83)

==== 2.Next ====
* macOS cross-compiling
* '''frg''' did cross compile all relevant trees on Linux starting with comm-esr52 sucessfully using the instructions from '''IanN''' in {{bug|1379062}}. He has a small cross compile guide available.
** It is not sure if the cross-compile can create universal macOS 2.49.x builds needed for plugin suppprt but this will only become urgent when the new infra is up and only for 2.49.x. macOS support for x86 applications is discontinued anyway.
** Building with the 10.11 SDK need the fixes in {{bug|1391790}} for macOS 10.13.
** For cross compiling a recent Rust cross package and the cross toolchains are needed. For local use they can be extracted from any Firefox macOS taskcluster build.
** '''WG9s''' plans to provide cross-compile builds on his [https://www.wg9s.com/ website].

* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code.
 See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
'''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.

* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug.
* Nightly and Aurora updates are broken. {{bug|1321131}} might be the cause. Aurora users need to be migrated to another channel if possible.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 2 new, 1 fixed, 3 triaged.
* not much activity on trunk, fixes landed on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 14 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 11 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. Only bindings used in Firefox will be kept for now until they are replaced with who-knows-what.
*** Overlays are now also gradually being removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google servicves like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
** For github you need to set the gecko Version to 60.
** We plan to add a generic user agent for github and 2.49 / 2.53 only. See {{Bug|1505460}}.

* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1274798}} Seamonkey integration in Gnome3. Old bug/patch which needs verification from someone more familiar with Linux.
* {{Bug|1506440}} Align SeaMonkey mailnews source structure with Thunderbird.

Waiting for feedback:
* {{Bug|670476}} Port {{Bug|432287}} - Add buttons and icons for zoom in/out to toolbar customization palette. Should we take the basic part without ui to 52?
* {{Bug|1410646}} Fix SM "log into/onto" and related instances.

Waiting for branch approval:
* Patches for a new mozilla-esr52 SeaMonkey 2.49 branch are at [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/patches/mozilla-249/ WG9's 2.49 webpage]. These include all TB52 verbranch fixes. We just need to decide what to take. No bug yet.

Checkin ready:
* nothing

Working on:
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. '''jorgk''' found some issues in the patch which I need to fix first.
* Fixing up mailnews for 2.57.
* Fixing up debugQA.
* Integrating DOMi Plus patches into DOMi.
* Fixing up 2.53
* Backporting ESR 60 fixes to 2.49.5
* Backporting platform support for VS2017, later Rust and later clang for macOS.
* Port of {{Bug|1100103}} Add a remove button to every To/CC/BCC address in Composer. No bug yet. Initial version in 2.53. Needs better styling.
* Helping '''MMR''' with {{Bug|1444740}} Drop support for -moz-border-*-colors in SeaMonkey. He seems to have dropped out :(

Not working on:
* Fixing comm-central. Not worth it currently. Only see that it builds.
** 2.58+ is broken in capital letters as in BROKEN.

Shelved for later:

* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons. Got the icons but have no time at the moment.
* {{Bug|1379062}} Enable cross-compile on SeaMonkey Linux machines. 2.49.x to 2.57 compiles fine locally.
* {{Bug|1392929}} Port Bug 886907 [Remove old synchronous contentPrefService] to SeaMonkey.
* Followups for {{Bug|1379369}} to TriggeringPrincipals and UserContextIDs in more functions.
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs. and will see what is left when 2.57 is ready.

Mostly shelved for now because no time:
* {{Bug|1231349}} 10n repacks broken on with SM 2.42 and newer. DebugQA WIP patch done. extensions temporary disabled to get l10n builds.
* {{Bug|1374094}} Update debugQA extension for older SeaMonkey versions. Need to move a function from editor into the patch and retest it.
* {{Bug|1402645}} Build Lightning binary components for 2.49.1. '''Needed for 2.49.1!'''. Temporary fix in the esr branch.
* Putting updated debugQA and DOMi extensions on TBN. Started with debugQA and noticed that it was no longer compatible with older versions.

Titbits:
* 2.53 now has up to date skia, NSS and ICU and is at latest ESR52.9 level. More to come.
* Again paid work took most of my spare time away in the last two weeks so not much done.

==== IanN ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* The last meeting of 2018 will be held on Sunday December 16, then again January 6, 2019, 14:00 UTC.
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=23&month=7&year=2017&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 23 July, 2017, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN frg WG9s rsx11m therube Callek_cloud9 ewong

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''WG9s mighty fish warrior'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Upcoming l10n changes to the build system which need to be monitored.
** Mozilla plans to check in l20n. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the current l10n build configs.
** {{bug|1107635}} - Rewrite build system l10n repack rules from Makefile rules into a Python script might also affect a timely l10n repacks but there has been no movement in it for some time.
** {{bug|1372167}} - Unify l10n.ini and filter.py into a single (python-independent) format for comm-central apps has now been checked in. There are still parts missing in toolkit but this might change the l10n build system again.
** {{bug|1382632}} - [c-c] Make installers-% "just work", hard-code build internals or provide sane defaults.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing V2, V4 and Geolocation. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong confirmed that he has the Google API key. Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build config changes need to be revised.
** The key is needed for Safe Browsing V4 currently in Nightly. The V4 lists will not update without it. V2 list updates will be throttled.
** '''frg''' has the location and name of the key. A mozconfig patch is in {{bug|903439}}. Should be solved for the next meeting.
* New council members frg, rsx11m and ewong were already appointed a few weeks ago. '''IanN''' will look into a website update now that the project areas were updated.
* TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today.
* Discussions and planning about the future of SeaMonkey and if we should set up own builders are still going on.
** For the previous discussions see the last status meettings.
** '''ewong''' is evaluating the cost and specs for an aws based build system.
** Cross compiling macOS builds is now possible for Firefox under Linux. If this can be made to work for SeaMonkey we won't need OSX builders.
*** OSX builders would only be needed for tests. This can be added at a later stage.
** We need a jumphost, a buildmaster, a Windows and a Linux slave.
*** A Puppet system for setup and configuration is under evaluation.
*** Costs and if we should do an initial 1 yor 3 year setup are still evaluated.
*** Funding is available.
** We need to start with a static setup and expand as necessary.
** The current infrastructure will be decommissioned in less than a year and is already failing.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list is ready to be reviewed.
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' put up a patch for the project areas and asked for review.
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===

* Various Bugs open for building.
** Both OSX64 builders did go out to lunch. '''ewong''' filed {{bug|1376192}}. Both came back after reboot, but one of them disappeared again.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building is done on the loaner.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule.
*** CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
*** DOMi still needs to be sorted.
*** Lightning l10n upload still needs to be sorted.
*** {{bug|1372167}} might help with the l10n issues.
* [23rd July 2017]
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.
*** All tests are red.
** All trees:
*** Problems with Mercurial {{bug|1368956}} make check orange w/ hg unknown command "files".
*** Tree status are not quite updated. Will update asap.
** [comm-central]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted* Due to mercurial issues. Tracked in {{bug|1362848}}.
*** Win32: green
*** See {{bug|1379370}} for current breakages.
** [comm-beta]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted*
*** Win32:green
*** See {{bug|1345770}} for current breakages.
** [comm-release]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted*
*** Win32: green
*** See {{bug|1334779}} for current breakages.
** [comm-esr52]:
*** No automation. [Filed {{bug|1352820}}]
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.

* Notes:
** '''IanN''' would like to check in OSX cross compile config changes.
** For reference only: Building with gtk2 has been disabled and can no longer be done starting with Gecko 53 / SeaMonkey 2.50 {{bug|1278282}}.
** '''Ewong''' did set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are only done on the loaner. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008 R2] will likely never happen.
*** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.



=== Release Train ===
* SeaMonkey 2.48 will be the next release tracked in {{Bug|1351984}} (general beta issues in {{bug|1328886}}).
** '''ewong''' has wrapped up building 2.48, including localized and Mac OSX builds.
*** {{Bug|1351985}} - Add SeaMonkey 2.48 to bouncer needs to be fixed for release. Currently the 2.48 urls give a 404.
** Release notes in {{Bug|1336315}}, ready to go.
** Updates from older SeaMonkey versions will not work for 2.48. '''ewong''' gave up making this work. We will announce this everywhere and on the project page. This does not affect Linux distributions which do their own builds.
** l10n problems from 2.46 are still not solved. Extensions again can not be shipped bundled with this release. A removal patch has been checked in. DOMi and cZ tags have nevertheless been updated for a future release.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla and is working on the DOMi repack issues.
*** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).

* 2.48 is the last gtk2 build. gtk3 will be enabled for 2.49.1.
** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).
** A regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up ({{bug|1367257}})

* The next release after 2.48 will be 2.49.1 build from the ESR branch. It is tracked in {{Bug|1346939}}.
** SeaMonkey 2.49.1 will be build with ALSA support. This has been disabled in Firefox 52 and causes problems for Linux users (see discussion in {{bug|1345661}}).
** Updates for 2.48 are not working. For 2.49.1 updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL
** {{Bug|1322172}} {{Bug|1347857}} and {{Bug|1368277}} need to be fixed for 2.49.1. All have patches attached and are in review or reviewable so this should not hold up the release.
** Patches should also pushed to Beta when they go to the ESR52 tree.

* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.

* ewong: Suggests the following:
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)
*** Start with comm-central trunk.
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]
*** Start later with comm-central we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build; but I don't know how the tests are going to work though this will need to wait).
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.

* Releases will be done off comm-esr52 and then comm-esr59.
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.

* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the AMO people to discuss this.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the Thunderbird people to discuss this.
** Progress is slow to non-existent because '''Ratty''' is currently absent.

** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.
** The add-on sdk will be removed from mozilla code for Firefox 58. Other parts will follow.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] adds HTML validation to SeaMonkey. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it worked with them last year. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2.49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and were fixed.
* There is a new build variable: MOZ_ALLOW_LEGACY_EXTENSIONS=1. It is currently set to true (1) and has also been put into SeaMonkeys confvar.sh to play it safe.
* Adblock Plus 2.9 is broken in 2.48 and up. 2.9.1 has speed problems and hangs 2.53 during shutdown {{bug|1379994}}. It is recommended to use 2.8.2 right now.
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* Old add-on signing methods might be removed. SeaMonkey and Thunderbird still use them per thread "removing "the old way" of signing add-ons" in mozilla.dev.platform. Apparently dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/so…sions/content/xpinstallConfirm.xul contain the references to them.

==== 2.46 current release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)

===== 2.47 skipped =====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)

==== 2.48 planned next release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (4)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (28)

==== 2.49.x subsequent releases ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.49 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey249&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey248&v2=2.49 fixed] (42)

==== 2.Next ====
* OSX builds can be done with the 10.12 SDK in the future. The SDK is provided in {{Bug|1324892}} via tooltool.

* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want sysnc 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads. Its going away in
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Needs further work'''.
** {{Bug|1378089}} Figure out what to do with bookmarks transactions. Probably needs a lot of work after SeaMonkey 2.53.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug.
* Nightly and Aurora updates are broken. {{bug|1321131}} might be the cause. Aurora users need to be migrated to another channel if possible.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 16 new, 4 fixed, 6 triaged.
* low triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 35 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now but will likely come with Firefox 57. Unclear if at first it can be pref controlled.
* Rainer does a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website was updated but it still needs work.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Waiting for feedback what should be taken. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs.
* {{Bug|1381317}} Change Style and color quotes in messages for OSX from 3 different levels to 5.

Almost done:
* {{Bug|903439}} Need API keys for Geolocation and Safebrowsing to work in SeaMonkey.
* {{Bug|1336315}} (SM248-RELNOTE) Create/Update 2.48 Release Notes. Done. Just waiting for the green light.
* {{Bug|1354845}} Accessibility Installer rollup ports for c-c apps. SeaMonkey/IM part. need to address comments from jorgk.
* {{Bug|1379368}} About pages lost the proper styling. Just needs a final check for comments from rsx11m.
* {{Bug|1374708}} Style and color quotes in messages. Done. Branch checkin needed. Will do it probably before the meeting.
* {{Bug|1381211}} Clean up SeaMonkeys mozconfig files. Prerequisite for {{Bug|903439}}.

Working on:
* The daily 2.53a1 breakage.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. On the backburner.
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. On the backburner and without input from Ratty I need to look at it later.
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons.
* {{Bug|1322172}} Security relevant. Needed for 2.49.1. Need to clean it up more.
* {{Bug|1326377}} Media view 'Save As ...' for embedded(?) picture fails. Need to find out how to get the private window status.
* {{Bug|1373374}} SeaMonkey is incorrectly enclosed in quotation marks in Set Default Programs dialog. Need to redo the patch.
* {{Bug|1374094}} Update debugQA extension for older SeaMonkey versions. Need to move a function from editor into the patch and retest it.
* {{Bug|1379369}} Port {{Bug|1364016}} "Have _openURIInNewTab() provide the correct triggeringPrincipal" to SeaMonkey. Have a WIP fix but need to clean it up.
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they can be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.

On the list (the actual one in Brain 1.0 is longer and gets longer every day)
* Followup for {{Bug|888915}} Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm.

Need to do a review:
* {{Bug|1378075}} Missing visual separation of main window elements with W7 classic desktop. Works fine. Just need to check the css some more.

Titbits:
* No time for Sync at the moment.
* Putting updated debugQA and DOMi extensions on AMO. Started with debugQA and noticed that it was no longer compatible with older versions. Finalizing the bugs now.

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.

==== IanN ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Still planning to look into:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** Move related items to a new Appearance → Media prefpane
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix
Performed reviews:
* {{Bug|1379368}} About pages lost the proper styling in SeaMonkey Classic theme
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* The next meeting will be held in two weeks: Sunday August 6, 2017, 14:00 UTC
** '''rsx11m''' will not attend. Someone else needs to do the invitation and initial page.
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-07-23

2017-08-06T13:45:12Z

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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=23&month=7&year=2017&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 23 July, 2017, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN frg WG9s rsx11m therube Callek_cloud9 ewong

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''WG9s mighty fish warrior'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Upcoming l10n changes to the build system which need to be monitored.
** Mozilla plans to check in l20n. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the current l10n build configs.
** {{bug|1107635}} - Rewrite build system l10n repack rules from Makefile rules into a Python script might also affect a timely l10n repacks but there has been no movement in it for some time.
** {{bug|1372167}} - Unify l10n.ini and filter.py into a single (python-independent) format for comm-central apps has now been checked in. There are still parts missing in toolkit but this might change the l10n build system again.
** {{bug|1382632}} - [c-c] Make installers-% "just work", hard-code build internals or provide sane defaults.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing V2, V4 and Geolocation. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong confirmed that he has the Google API key. Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build config changes need to be revised.
** The key is needed for Safe Browsing V4 currently in Nightly. The V4 lists will not update without it. V2 list updates will be throttled.
** '''frg''' has the location and name of the key. A mozconfig patch is in {{bug|903439}}. Should be solved for the next meeting.
* New council members frg, rsx11m and ewong were already appointed a few weeks ago. '''IanN''' will look into a website update now that the project areas were updated.
* TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today.
* Discussions and planning about the future of SeaMonkey and if we should set up own builders are still going on.
** For the previous discussions see the last status meettings.
** '''ewong''' is evaluating the cost and specs for an aws based build system.
** Cross compiling macOS builds is now possible for Firefox under Linux. If this can be made to work for SeaMonkey we won't need OSX builders.
*** OSX builders would only be needed for tests. This can be added at a later stage.
** We need a jumphost, a buildmaster, a Windows and a Linux slave.
*** A Puppet system for setup and configuration is under evaluation.
*** Costs and if we should do an initial 1 yor 3 year setup are still evaluated.
*** Funding is available.
** We need to start with a static setup and expand as necessary.
** The current infrastructure will be decommissioned in less than a year and is already failing.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list is ready to be reviewed.
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' put up a patch for the project areas and asked for review.
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===

* Various Bugs open for building.
** Both OSX64 builders did go out to lunch. '''ewong''' filed {{bug|1376192}}. Both came back after reboot, but one of them disappeared again.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building is done on the loaner.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule.
*** CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
*** DOMi still needs to be sorted.
*** Lightning l10n upload still needs to be sorted.
*** {{bug|1372167}} might help with the l10n issues.
* [23rd July 2017]
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.
*** All tests are red.
** All trees:
*** Problems with Mercurial {{bug|1368956}} make check orange w/ hg unknown command "files".
*** Tree status are not quite updated. Will update asap.
** [comm-central]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted* Due to mercurial issues. Tracked in {{bug|1362848}}.
*** Win32: green
*** See {{bug|1379370}} for current breakages.
** [comm-beta]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted*
*** Win32:green
*** See {{bug|1345770}} for current breakages.
** [comm-release]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted*
*** Win32: green
*** See {{bug|1334779}} for current breakages.
** [comm-esr52]:
*** No automation. [Filed {{bug|1352820}}]
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.

* Notes:
** '''IanN''' would like to check in OSX cross compile config changes.
** For reference only: Building with gtk2 has been disabled and can no longer be done starting with Gecko 53 / SeaMonkey 2.50 {{bug|1278282}}.
** '''Ewong''' did set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are only done on the loaner. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008 R2] will likely never happen.
*** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.



=== Release Train ===
* SeaMonkey 2.48 will be the next release tracked in {{Bug|1351984}} (general beta issues in {{bug|1328886}}).
** '''ewong''' has wrapped up building 2.48, including localized and Mac OSX builds.
*** {{Bug|1351985}} - Add SeaMonkey 2.48 to bouncer needs to be fixed for release. Currently the 2.48 urls give a 404.
** Release notes in {{Bug|1336315}}, ready to go.
** Updates from older SeaMonkey versions will not work for 2.48. '''ewong''' gave up making this work. We will announce this everywhere and on the project page. This does not affect Linux distributions which do their own builds.
** l10n problems from 2.46 are still not solved. Extensions again can not be shipped bundled with this release. A removal patch has been checked in. DOMi and cZ tags have nevertheless been updated for a future release.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla and is working on the DOMi repack issues.
*** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).

* 2.48 is the last gtk2 build. gtk3 will be enabled for 2.49.1.
** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).
** A regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up ({{bug|1367257}})

* The next release after 2.48 will be 2.49.1 build from the ESR branch. It is tracked in {{Bug|1346939}}.
** SeaMonkey 2.49.1 will be build with ALSA support. This has been disabled in Firefox 52 and causes problems for Linux users (see discussion in {{bug|1345661}}).
** Updates for 2.48 are not working. For 2.49.1 updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL
** {{Bug|1322172}} {{Bug|1347857}} and {{Bug|1368277}} need to be fixed for 2.49.1. All have patches attached and are in review or reviewable so this should not hold up the release.
** Patches should also pushed to Beta when they go to the ESR52 tree.

* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.

* ewong: Suggests the following:
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)
*** Start with comm-central trunk.
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]
*** Start later with comm-central we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build; but I don't know how the tests are going to work though this will need to wait).
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.

* Releases will be done off comm-esr52 and then comm-esr59.
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.

* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the AMO people to discuss this.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the Thunderbird people to discuss this.
** Progress is slow to non-existent because '''Ratty''' is currently absent.

** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.
** The add-on sdk will be removed from mozilla code for Firefox 58. Other parts will follow.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] adds HTML validation to SeaMonkey. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them since last year. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2.49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and were fixed.
* There is a new build variable: MOZ_ALLOW_LEGACY_EXTENSIONS=1. It is currently set to true (1) and has also been put into SeaMonkeys confvar.sh to play it safe.
** With this build option set, most legacy extensions (or at least most of those still working in 2.49, see above) are still working even in SeaMonkey 2.54a1, notwithstanding its being built on Toolkit 57.0a1; but the add-ons manager display itself (not the add-ons manager function) is broken on current trunk if [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/amversionnumber/ the "Add-ons Manager - Version Number" extension] is enabled. This has been checked both with the "current stable" version 1.4 and the "latest development" version 1.4.1beta1 of this restartless extension, which will not be updated for Firefox 57.0 or up. Since this problem is due to an extension, it does of course not happen in Safe Mode.
* Adblock Plus 2.9 is broken in 2.48 and up. 2.9.1 has speed problems and hangs 2.53 and later during shutdown {{bug|1379994}}. It is recommended to use 2.8.2 right now. This implies setting at least this extension to "Update Manually" in the add-ons manager, and disregarding all updates for it until further notice, even if found by the "Check for Updates" function in the add-ons manager rolldown.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* Old add-on signing methods might be removed. SeaMonkey and Thunderbird still use them per thread "removing "the old way" of signing add-ons" in mozilla.dev.platform. Apparently dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/so…sions/content/xpinstallConfirm.xul contain the references to them.

==== 2.46 current release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)

===== 2.47 skipped =====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)

==== 2.48 planned next release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (4)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (28)

==== 2.49.x subsequent releases ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.49 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey249&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey248&v2=2.49 fixed] (42)

==== 2.Next ====
* OSX builds can be done with the 10.12 SDK in the future. The SDK is provided in {{Bug|1324892}} via tooltool.

* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want sysnc 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads. Its going away in
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Needs further work'''.
** {{Bug|1378089}} Figure out what to do with bookmarks transactions. Probably needs a lot of work after SeaMonkey 2.53.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug.
* Nightly and Aurora updates are broken. {{bug|1321131}} might be the cause. Aurora users need to be migrated to another channel if possible.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 16 new, 4 fixed, 6 triaged.
* low triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 35 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now but will likely come with Firefox 57. Unclear if at first it can be pref controlled.
* Rainer does a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website was updated but it still needs work.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Waiting for feedback what should be taken. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs.
* {{Bug|1381317}} Change Style and color quotes in messages for OSX from 3 different levels to 5.

Almost done:
* {{Bug|903439}} Need API keys for Geolocation and Safebrowsing to work in SeaMonkey.
* {{Bug|1336315}} (SM248-RELNOTE) Create/Update 2.48 Release Notes. Done. Just waiting for the green light.
* {{Bug|1354845}} Accessibility Installer rollup ports for c-c apps. SeaMonkey/IM part. need to address comments from jorgk.
* {{Bug|1379368}} About pages lost the proper styling. Just needs a final check for comments from rsx11m.
* {{Bug|1374708}} Style and color quotes in messages. Done. Branch checkin needed. Will do it probably before the meeting.
* {{Bug|1381211}} Clean up SeaMonkeys mozconfig files. Prerequisite for {{Bug|903439}}.

Working on:
* The daily 2.53a1 breakage.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. On the backburner.
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. On the backburner and without input from Ratty I need to look at it later.
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons.
* {{Bug|1322172}} Security relevant. Needed for 2.49.1. Need to clean it up more.
* {{Bug|1326377}} Media view 'Save As ...' for embedded(?) picture fails. Need to find out how to get the private window status.
* {{Bug|1373374}} SeaMonkey is incorrectly enclosed in quotation marks in Set Default Programs dialog. Need to redo the patch.
* {{Bug|1374094}} Update debugQA extension for older SeaMonkey versions. Need to move a function from editor into the patch and retest it.
* {{Bug|1379369}} Port {{Bug|1364016}} "Have _openURIInNewTab() provide the correct triggeringPrincipal" to SeaMonkey. Have a WIP fix but need to clean it up.
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they can be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.

On the list (the actual one in Brain 1.0 is longer and gets longer every day)
* Followup for {{Bug|888915}} Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm.

Need to do a review:
* {{Bug|1378075}} Missing visual separation of main window elements with W7 classic desktop. Works fine. Just need to check the css some more.

Titbits:
* No time for Sync at the moment.
* Putting updated debugQA and DOMi extensions on AMO. Started with debugQA and noticed that it was no longer compatible with older versions. Finalizing the bugs now.

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.

==== IanN ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Still planning to look into:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** Move related items to a new Appearance → Media prefpane
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix
Performed reviews:
* {{Bug|1379368}} About pages lost the proper styling in SeaMonkey Classic theme
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* The next meeting will be held in two weeks: Sunday August 6, 2017, 14:00 UTC
** '''rsx11m''' will not attend. Someone else needs to do the invitation and initial page.
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-07-23

2017-08-05T23:01:11Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=23&month=7&year=2017&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 23 July, 2017, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN frg WG9s rsx11m therube Callek_cloud9 ewong

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''WG9s mighty fish warrior'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Upcoming l10n changes to the build system which need to be monitored.
** Mozilla plans to check in l20n. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the current l10n build configs.
** {{bug|1107635}} - Rewrite build system l10n repack rules from Makefile rules into a Python script might also affect a timely l10n repacks but there has been no movement in it for some time.
** {{bug|1372167}} - Unify l10n.ini and filter.py into a single (python-independent) format for comm-central apps has now been checked in. There are still parts missing in toolkit but this might change the l10n build system again.
** {{bug|1382632}} - [c-c] Make installers-% "just work", hard-code build internals or provide sane defaults.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing V2, V4 and Geolocation. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong confirmed that he has the Google API key. Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build config changes need to be revised.
** The key is needed for Safe Browsing V4 currently in Nightly. The V4 lists will not update without it. V2 list updates will be throttled.
** '''frg''' has the location and name of the key. A mozconfig patch is in {{bug|903439}}. Should be solved for the next meeting.
* New council members frg, rsx11m and ewong were already appointed a few weeks ago. '''IanN''' will look into a website update now that the project areas were updated.
* TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today.
* Discussions and planning about the future of SeaMonkey and if we should set up own builders are still going on.
** For the previous discussions see the last status meettings.
** '''ewong''' is evaluating the cost and specs for an aws based build system.
** Cross compiling macOS builds is now possible for Firefox under Linux. If this can be made to work for SeaMonkey we won't need OSX builders.
*** OSX builders would only be needed for tests. This can be added at a later stage.
** We need a jumphost, a buildmaster, a Windows and a Linux slave.
*** A Puppet system for setup and configuration is under evaluation.
*** Costs and if we should do an initial 1 yor 3 year setup are still evaluated.
*** Funding is available.
** We need to start with a static setup and expand as necessary.
** The current infrastructure will be decommissioned in less than a year and is already failing.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list is ready to be reviewed.
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' put up a patch for the project areas and asked for review.
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===

* Various Bugs open for building.
** Both OSX64 builders did go out to lunch. '''ewong''' filed {{bug|1376192}}. Both came back after reboot, but one of them disappeared again.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building is done on the loaner.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule.
*** CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
*** DOMi still needs to be sorted.
*** Lightning l10n upload still needs to be sorted.
*** {{bug|1372167}} might help with the l10n issues.
* [23rd July 2017]
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.
*** All tests are red.
** All trees:
*** Problems with Mercurial {{bug|1368956}} make check orange w/ hg unknown command "files".
*** Tree status are not quite updated. Will update asap.
** [comm-central]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted* Due to mercurial issues. Tracked in {{bug|1362848}}.
*** Win32: green
*** See {{bug|1379370}} for current breakages.
** [comm-beta]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted*
*** Win32:green
*** See {{bug|1345770}} for current breakages.
** [comm-release]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted*
*** Win32: green
*** See {{bug|1334779}} for current breakages.
** [comm-esr52]:
*** No automation. [Filed {{bug|1352820}}]
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.

* Notes:
** '''IanN''' would like to check in OSX cross compile config changes.
** For reference only: Building with gtk2 has been disabled and can no longer be done starting with Gecko 53 / SeaMonkey 2.50 {{bug|1278282}}.
** '''Ewong''' did set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are only done on the loaner. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008 R2] will likely never happen.
*** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.



=== Release Train ===
* SeaMonkey 2.48 will be the next release tracked in {{Bug|1351984}} (general beta issues in {{bug|1328886}}).
** '''ewong''' has wrapped up building 2.48, including localized and Mac OSX builds.
*** {{Bug|1351985}} - Add SeaMonkey 2.48 to bouncer needs to be fixed for release. Currently the 2.48 urls give a 404.
** Release notes in {{Bug|1336315}}, ready to go.
** Updates from older SeaMonkey versions will not work for 2.48. '''ewong''' gave up making this work. We will announce this everywhere and on the project page. This does not affect Linux distributions which do their own builds.
** l10n problems from 2.46 are still not solved. Extensions again can not be shipped bundled with this release. A removal patch has been checked in. DOMi and cZ tags have nevertheless been updated for a future release.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla and is working on the DOMi repack issues.
*** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).

* 2.48 is the last gtk2 build. gtk3 will be enabled for 2.49.1.
** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).
** A regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up ({{bug|1367257}})

* The next release after 2.48 will be 2.49.1 build from the ESR branch. It is tracked in {{Bug|1346939}}.
** SeaMonkey 2.49.1 will be build with ALSA support. This has been disabled in Firefox 52 and causes problems for Linux users (see discussion in {{bug|1345661}}).
** Updates for 2.48 are not working. For 2.49.1 updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL
** {{Bug|1322172}} {{Bug|1347857}} and {{Bug|1368277}} need to be fixed for 2.49.1. All have patches attached and are in review or reviewable so this should not hold up the release.
** Patches should also pushed to Beta when they go to the ESR52 tree.

* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.

* ewong: Suggests the following:
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)
*** Start with comm-central trunk.
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]
*** Start later with comm-central we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build; but I don't know how the tests are going to work though this will need to wait).
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.

* Releases will be done off comm-esr52 and then comm-esr59.
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.

* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the AMO people to discuss this.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the Thunderbird people to discuss this.
** Progress is slow to non-existent because '''Ratty''' is currently absent.

** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.
** The add-on sdk will be removed from mozilla code for Firefox 58. Other parts will follow.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] adds HTML validation to SeaMonkey. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them since last year. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2.49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and were fixed.
* There is a new build variable: MOZ_ALLOW_LEGACY_EXTENSIONS=1. It is currently set to true (1) and has also been put into SeaMonkeys confvar.sh to play it safe.
** With this build option set, most legacy extensions (or at least most of those still working in 2.49, see above) are still working even in SeaMonkey 2.54a1, notwithstanding its being built on Toolkit 57.0a1; but the add-ons manager display itself (not the add-ons manager function) is broken on current trunk if [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/amversionnumber/ the "Add-ons Manager - Version Number" extension] is enabled. This has been checked both with the "current stable" version 1.4 and the "latest development" version 1.4.1beta1 of this restartless extension, which will not be updated for Firefox 57.0 or up. Since this problem is due to an extension, it does of course not happen in Safe Mode.
*** P.S. [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/amversionnumber/versions/beta?page=1#version-1.5beta1 Add-ons Manager - Version Number 1.5beta1], a "development" version published during the night preceding this meeting, fixes the problem.
* Adblock Plus 2.9 is broken in 2.48 and up. 2.9.1 has speed problems and hangs 2.53 and later during shutdown {{bug|1379994}}. It is recommended to use 2.8.2 right now. This implies setting at least this extension to "Update Manually" in the add-ons manager, and disregarding all updates for it until further notice, even if found by the "Check for Updates" function in the add-ons manager rolldown.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* Old add-on signing methods might be removed. SeaMonkey and Thunderbird still use them per thread "removing "the old way" of signing add-ons" in mozilla.dev.platform. Apparently dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/so…sions/content/xpinstallConfirm.xul contain the references to them.

==== 2.46 current release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)

===== 2.47 skipped =====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)

==== 2.48 planned next release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (4)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (28)

==== 2.49.x subsequent releases ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.49 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey249&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey248&v2=2.49 fixed] (42)

==== 2.Next ====
* OSX builds can be done with the 10.12 SDK in the future. The SDK is provided in {{Bug|1324892}} via tooltool.

* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want sysnc 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads. Its going away in
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Needs further work'''.
** {{Bug|1378089}} Figure out what to do with bookmarks transactions. Probably needs a lot of work after SeaMonkey 2.53.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug.
* Nightly and Aurora updates are broken. {{bug|1321131}} might be the cause. Aurora users need to be migrated to another channel if possible.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 16 new, 4 fixed, 6 triaged.
* low triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 35 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now but will likely come with Firefox 57. Unclear if at first it can be pref controlled.
* Rainer does a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website was updated but it still needs work.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Waiting for feedback what should be taken. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs.
* {{Bug|1381317}} Change Style and color quotes in messages for OSX from 3 different levels to 5.

Almost done:
* {{Bug|903439}} Need API keys for Geolocation and Safebrowsing to work in SeaMonkey.
* {{Bug|1336315}} (SM248-RELNOTE) Create/Update 2.48 Release Notes. Done. Just waiting for the green light.
* {{Bug|1354845}} Accessibility Installer rollup ports for c-c apps. SeaMonkey/IM part. need to address comments from jorgk.
* {{Bug|1379368}} About pages lost the proper styling. Just needs a final check for comments from rsx11m.
* {{Bug|1374708}} Style and color quotes in messages. Done. Branch checkin needed. Will do it probably before the meeting.
* {{Bug|1381211}} Clean up SeaMonkeys mozconfig files. Prerequisite for {{Bug|903439}}.

Working on:
* The daily 2.53a1 breakage.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. On the backburner.
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. On the backburner and without input from Ratty I need to look at it later.
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons.
* {{Bug|1322172}} Security relevant. Needed for 2.49.1. Need to clean it up more.
* {{Bug|1326377}} Media view 'Save As ...' for embedded(?) picture fails. Need to find out how to get the private window status.
* {{Bug|1373374}} SeaMonkey is incorrectly enclosed in quotation marks in Set Default Programs dialog. Need to redo the patch.
* {{Bug|1374094}} Update debugQA extension for older SeaMonkey versions. Need to move a function from editor into the patch and retest it.
* {{Bug|1379369}} Port {{Bug|1364016}} "Have _openURIInNewTab() provide the correct triggeringPrincipal" to SeaMonkey. Have a WIP fix but need to clean it up.
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they can be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.

On the list (the actual one in Brain 1.0 is longer and gets longer every day)
* Followup for {{Bug|888915}} Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm.

Need to do a review:
* {{Bug|1378075}} Missing visual separation of main window elements with W7 classic desktop. Works fine. Just need to check the css some more.

Titbits:
* No time for Sync at the moment.
* Putting updated debugQA and DOMi extensions on AMO. Started with debugQA and noticed that it was no longer compatible with older versions. Finalizing the bugs now.

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.

==== IanN ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Still planning to look into:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** Move related items to a new Appearance → Media prefpane
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix
Performed reviews:
* {{Bug|1379368}} About pages lost the proper styling in SeaMonkey Classic theme
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* The next meeting will be held in two weeks: Sunday August 6, 2017, 14:00 UTC
** '''rsx11m''' will not attend. Someone else needs to do the invitation and initial page.
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-07-23

2017-08-05T14:04:08Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=23&month=7&year=2017&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 23 July, 2017, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN frg WG9s rsx11m therube Callek_cloud9 ewong

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''WG9s mighty fish warrior'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Upcoming l10n changes to the build system which need to be monitored.
** Mozilla plans to check in l20n. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the current l10n build configs.
** {{bug|1107635}} - Rewrite build system l10n repack rules from Makefile rules into a Python script might also affect a timely l10n repacks but there has been no movement in it for some time.
** {{bug|1372167}} - Unify l10n.ini and filter.py into a single (python-independent) format for comm-central apps has now been checked in. There are still parts missing in toolkit but this might change the l10n build system again.
** {{bug|1382632}} - [c-c] Make installers-% "just work", hard-code build internals or provide sane defaults.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing V2, V4 and Geolocation. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong confirmed that he has the Google API key. Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build config changes need to be revised.
** The key is needed for Safe Browsing V4 currently in Nightly. The V4 lists will not update without it. V2 list updates will be throttled.
** '''frg''' has the location and name of the key. A mozconfig patch is in {{bug|903439}}. Should be solved for the next meeting.
* New council members frg, rsx11m and ewong were already appointed a few weeks ago. '''IanN''' will look into a website update now that the project areas were updated.
* TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today.
* Discussions and planning about the future of SeaMonkey and if we should set up own builders are still going on.
** For the previous discussions see the last status meettings.
** '''ewong''' is evaluating the cost and specs for an aws based build system.
** Cross compiling macOS builds is now possible for Firefox under Linux. If this can be made to work for SeaMonkey we won't need OSX builders.
*** OSX builders would only be needed for tests. This can be added at a later stage.
** We need a jumphost, a buildmaster, a Windows and a Linux slave.
*** A Puppet system for setup and configuration is under evaluation.
*** Costs and if we should do an initial 1 yor 3 year setup are still evaluated.
*** Funding is available.
** We need to start with a static setup and expand as necessary.
** The current infrastructure will be decommissioned in less than a year and is already failing.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list is ready to be reviewed.
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' put up a patch for the project areas and asked for review.
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===

* Various Bugs open for building.
** Both OSX64 builders did go out to lunch. '''ewong''' filed {{bug|1376192}}. Both came back after reboot, but one of them disappeared again.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building is done on the loaner.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule.
*** CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
*** DOMi still needs to be sorted.
*** Lightning l10n upload still needs to be sorted.
*** {{bug|1372167}} might help with the l10n issues.
* [23rd July 2017]
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.
*** All tests are red.
** All trees:
*** Problems with Mercurial {{bug|1368956}} make check orange w/ hg unknown command "files".
*** Tree status are not quite updated. Will update asap.
** [comm-central]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted* Due to mercurial issues. Tracked in {{bug|1362848}}.
*** Win32: green
*** See {{bug|1379370}} for current breakages.
** [comm-beta]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted*
*** Win32:green
*** See {{bug|1345770}} for current breakages.
** [comm-release]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted*
*** Win32: green
*** See {{bug|1334779}} for current breakages.
** [comm-esr52]:
*** No automation. [Filed {{bug|1352820}}]
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.

* Notes:
** '''IanN''' would like to check in OSX cross compile config changes.
** For reference only: Building with gtk2 has been disabled and can no longer be done starting with Gecko 53 / SeaMonkey 2.50 {{bug|1278282}}.
** '''Ewong''' did set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are only done on the loaner. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008 R2] will likely never happen.
*** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.



=== Release Train ===
* SeaMonkey 2.48 will be the next release tracked in {{Bug|1351984}} (general beta issues in {{bug|1328886}}).
** '''ewong''' has wrapped up building 2.48, including localized and Mac OSX builds.
*** {{Bug|1351985}} - Add SeaMonkey 2.48 to bouncer needs to be fixed for release. Currently the 2.48 urls give a 404.
** Release notes in {{Bug|1336315}}, ready to go.
** Updates from older SeaMonkey versions will not work for 2.48. '''ewong''' gave up making this work. We will announce this everywhere and on the project page. This does not affect Linux distributions which do their own builds.
** l10n problems from 2.46 are still not solved. Extensions again can not be shipped bundled with this release. A removal patch has been checked in. DOMi and cZ tags have nevertheless been updated for a future release.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla and is working on the DOMi repack issues.
*** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).

* 2.48 is the last gtk2 build. gtk3 will be enabled for 2.49.1.
** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).
** A regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up ({{bug|1367257}})

* The next release after 2.48 will be 2.49.1 build from the ESR branch. It is tracked in {{Bug|1346939}}.
** SeaMonkey 2.49.1 will be build with ALSA support. This has been disabled in Firefox 52 and causes problems for Linux users (see discussion in {{bug|1345661}}).
** Updates for 2.48 are not working. For 2.49.1 updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL
** {{Bug|1322172}} {{Bug|1347857}} and {{Bug|1368277}} need to be fixed for 2.49.1. All have patches attached and are in review or reviewable so this should not hold up the release.
** Patches should also pushed to Beta when they go to the ESR52 tree.

* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.

* ewong: Suggests the following:
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)
*** Start with comm-central trunk.
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]
*** Start later with comm-central we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build; but I don't know how the tests are going to work though this will need to wait).
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.

* Releases will be done off comm-esr52 and then comm-esr59.
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.

* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the AMO people to discuss this.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the Thunderbird people to discuss this.
** Progress is slow to non-existent because '''Ratty''' is currently absent.

** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.
** The add-on sdk will be removed from mozilla code for Firefox 58. Other parts will follow.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] adds HTML validation to SeaMonkey. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them since last year. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2.49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and were fixed.
* There is a new build variable: MOZ_ALLOW_LEGACY_EXTENSIONS=1. It is currently set to true (1) and has also been put into SeaMonkeys confvar.sh to play it safe.
** With this build option set, most legacy extensions (or at least most of those still working in 2.49, see above) are still working even in SeaMonkey 2.54a1, notwithstanding its being built on Toolkit 57.0a1; but the add-ons manager display itself (not the add-ons manager function) is broken on current trunk if [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/amversionnumber/ the "Add-ons Manager - Version Number" extension] is enabled. This has been checked both with the "current stable" version 1.4 and the "latest development" version 1.4.1beta1 of this restartless extension, which will not be updated for Firefox 57.0 or up. Since this problem is due to an extension, it does of course not happen in Safe Mode.
* Adblock Plus 2.9 is broken in 2.48 and up. 2.9.1 has speed problems and hangs 2.53 and later during shutdown {{bug|1379994}}. It is recommended to use 2.8.2 right now. This implies setting at least this extension to "Update Manually" in the add-ons manager, and disregarding all updates for it until further notice, even if found by the "Check for Updates" function in the add-ons manager rolldown.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* Old add-on signing methods might be removed. SeaMonkey and Thunderbird still use them per thread "removing "the old way" of signing add-ons" in mozilla.dev.platform. Apparently dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/so…sions/content/xpinstallConfirm.xul contain the references to them.

==== 2.46 current release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)

===== 2.47 skipped =====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)

==== 2.48 planned next release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (4)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (28)

==== 2.49.x subsequent releases ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.49 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey249&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey248&v2=2.49 fixed] (42)

==== 2.Next ====
* OSX builds can be done with the 10.12 SDK in the future. The SDK is provided in {{Bug|1324892}} via tooltool.

* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want sysnc 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads. Its going away in
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Needs further work'''.
** {{Bug|1378089}} Figure out what to do with bookmarks transactions. Probably needs a lot of work after SeaMonkey 2.53.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug.
* Nightly and Aurora updates are broken. {{bug|1321131}} might be the cause. Aurora users need to be migrated to another channel if possible.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 16 new, 4 fixed, 6 triaged.
* low triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 35 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now but will likely come with Firefox 57. Unclear if at first it can be pref controlled.
* Rainer does a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website was updated but it still needs work.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|1370314}} SeaMonkey 06/2017 installer rollup. Waiting for feedback what should be taken. Probably not much more right now. Took some parts to other bugs.
* {{Bug|1381317}} Change Style and color quotes in messages for OSX from 3 different levels to 5.

Almost done:
* {{Bug|903439}} Need API keys for Geolocation and Safebrowsing to work in SeaMonkey.
* {{Bug|1336315}} (SM248-RELNOTE) Create/Update 2.48 Release Notes. Done. Just waiting for the green light.
* {{Bug|1354845}} Accessibility Installer rollup ports for c-c apps. SeaMonkey/IM part. need to address comments from jorgk.
* {{Bug|1379368}} About pages lost the proper styling. Just needs a final check for comments from rsx11m.
* {{Bug|1374708}} Style and color quotes in messages. Done. Branch checkin needed. Will do it probably before the meeting.
* {{Bug|1381211}} Clean up SeaMonkeys mozconfig files. Prerequisite for {{Bug|903439}}.

Working on:
* The daily 2.53a1 breakage.
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken. On the backburner.
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. On the backburner and without input from Ratty I need to look at it later.
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Asked someone who wants to help out to look at the icons.
* {{Bug|1322172}} Security relevant. Needed for 2.49.1. Need to clean it up more.
* {{Bug|1326377}} Media view 'Save As ...' for embedded(?) picture fails. Need to find out how to get the private window status.
* {{Bug|1373374}} SeaMonkey is incorrectly enclosed in quotation marks in Set Default Programs dialog. Need to redo the patch.
* {{Bug|1374094}} Update debugQA extension for older SeaMonkey versions. Need to move a function from editor into the patch and retest it.
* {{Bug|1379369}} Port {{Bug|1364016}} "Have _openURIInNewTab() provide the correct triggeringPrincipal" to SeaMonkey. Have a WIP fix but need to clean it up.
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they can be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.

On the list (the actual one in Brain 1.0 is longer and gets longer every day)
* Followup for {{Bug|888915}} Convert SeaMonkey Downloads Manager to Downloads.jsm.

Need to do a review:
* {{Bug|1378075}} Missing visual separation of main window elements with W7 classic desktop. Works fine. Just need to check the css some more.

Titbits:
* No time for Sync at the moment.
* Putting updated debugQA and DOMi extensions on AMO. Started with debugQA and noticed that it was no longer compatible with older versions. Finalizing the bugs now.

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.

==== IanN ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Still planning to look into:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** Move related items to a new Appearance → Media prefpane
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix
Performed reviews:
* {{Bug|1379368}} About pages lost the proper styling in SeaMonkey Classic theme
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* The next meeting will be held in two weeks: Sunday August 6, 2017, 14:00 UTC
** '''rsx11m''' will not attend. Someone else needs to do the invitation and initial page.
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-05-21

2017-05-19T20:30:53Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=5&year=2017&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 21 May, 2017, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the current l10n build configs. Needs to be monitored.
** {{bug|1107635}} - Rewrite build system l10n repack rules from Makefile rules into a Python script might also affect a timely l10n repack
* Google API key for Safe Browsing V2, V4 and Geolocation. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong confirmed that he has the Google API key. Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build config changes need to be revised.
** The key is needed for Safe Browsing V4 currently in Nightly. The V4 lists will not update without it. V2 list updates will be throttled.
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list is ready to be reviewed. New council members frg, rsx11m and ewong were already appointed a few weeks ago (website not yet updated).
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to update the project areas soon.
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today.
*** Adrian stated that he is currently quite busy and doesn't even have much time to update his build configs. Winodws and Linux builds are broken (known bugs with workarounds or not yet pushed patches)
* Discussions and planning about the future of SeaMonkey and if we should set up own builders are still going on.
** frg asked Adrian about his build config. He runs a small setup: 2 PCs, a Mac and a Jumhost (DD-WRT router). 1 PC is the Buildmaster and second the server with VMs for Windows and Linux building.
** Ratty would like to have a try server.
** frg misses an OSX try server most.
** There would be problems uploading binaries to Mozilla servers. Linux distributors can upload crash-symbols. This would probably be possible.
** An infra architect is now working for Thunderbird. The SeaMonkey project has gotten an invitation to join but nothing has been discussed yet. '''IanN''' asked '''ewong''' if he could get in touch with rkent. A new TB council has been elected and talks could start.
** A joint discussion should take place. Not finalized who organizes this and when.
** Depending on the outcome builder software would also need to be selected. Adrian is in favor of Jenkins because buildbot expertise is rare.
** Due to cost and availability the generation of daily builds would need to be cut back. The team doesn't see much problems here and a new schedule could be worked out.
** '''IanN''' mentioned taskcluster as an alternative to buildbot. According to '''ewong''' and '''frg''' it looks complex and Mozilla specific.
*** The Thunderbird project plans to hire a designer for a new build infrastructure in the near future.
** There are plans by Mozilla to do cross compiles on Linux for Windows and macOS. Not finalized yet.
** ewong tries to set up an aws acount and starts to get things going.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* Something needs to be done about the lack of developers and support staff or SeaMonkey will be no more in the near future.
** '''frg''' did prepare a "asking for help" draft for the council. He is waiting for final comments and will be post it in the various SeaMonkey newsgroups. Some users are willing to proof-read and translate to other languages before it goes out. IanN will look at it after the meeting (done).
** Council mail did go out 02/05/2017. Several discussions in the community still running. Some positive some negative. Overall a good start.
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===


* Various Bugs open for building.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building is done on the loaner.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule.
*** CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
*** DOMi still needs to be sorted.
*** Lightning l10n upload still needs to be sorted.
* [7th May 2017]
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.
*** All tests are red.
** All trees:
*** {{bug|1308923}} might cause a serious problem with 2.48 and 2.49. It is still unclear if it's fixed in later releases.
** [comm-central]:
*** Linux*: green
*** OSX64: *busted* Due to mercurial issues. Tracked in {{bug|1362848}}. Might be fixed now after the meeting.
*** Win32: busted. Been working on the puppet issue that I've missed the builds.
*** See {{bug|1345770}} for current breakages.
** [comm-beta]:
*** Linux*: green
*** OSX64: *busted* Due to mercurial issues. Tracked in {{bug|1362848}}. Might be fixed now after the meeting.
*** Win32: busted. Been working on the puppet issue that I've missed the builds.
*** See {{bug|1334779}} for current breakages.
** [comm-release]:
*** Linux*: green
*** OSX64: *busted* Due to mercurial issues. Tracked in {{bug|1362848}}. Might be fixed now after the meeting.
*** Win32: busted. Been working on the puppet issue that I've missed the builds.
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.
** [comm-esr52]:
*** No automation. [Filed {{bug|1352820}}]
*** Was broken by uplift of {{bug|1299500}} for SeaMonkey only. {{bug|1353765}} takes care of it and should be pushed soon.
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.

* Notes:
** '''Ewong''' did set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are only done on the loaner. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008 R2] will likely never happen.
*** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.



=== Release Train ===
* '''SeaMonkey 2.48 beta 1 released''' April 15, 2017 — ''kudos to ewong!''
* SeaMonkey 2.48 will be the next release tracked in {{Bug|1351984}} (general beta issues in {{bug|1328886}}).
** '''ewong''' will start building 2.48 when he has the csets (still waiting for l10n sign-offs).
*** '''frg''' mailed 2.48 cset candidates to ewong and IanN. 3 l10n csets different from the Beta.
** Updates from 2.39b1 apparently did not work, relevant for the 2.48 release to upgrade from 2.46 without problems. '''ewong''' is on it
** l10n problems from 2.46 are still not solved. Extensions again can not be shipped bundled with this release. A removal patch has been checked in. DOMi and cZ tags have nevertheless been updated for a future release.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla and is working on the DOMi repack issues.
*** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).
** Release notes in {{Bug|1336315}}.
** gtk3 will be disabled for 2.48 beta and release builds. It will be enabled for 2.49.
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).
*** A regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.
** SeaMonkey 2.49 will be build with ALSA support. This has been disabled in Firefox 52 and causes problems for Linux users (see discussion in {{bug|1345661}}).
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL
** 2.48 is still 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.

* ewong: Suggests the following:
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)
*** Start with comm-central trunk.
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]
*** Start later with comm-central we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build; but I don't know how the tests are going to work though this will need to wait).
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.

* Current plan is to do releases off comm-esr52. No current backup plan other than continue building off comm-release.
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.
** {{bug|1358148}} to get status and approval flags added in bugzilla for SeaMonkey 2.49esr completed, including approval-comm-esr52
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
* The next release after 2.48 will be 2.49.1 build from the ESR branch.
** '''frg''' asked if a version of 2.49.x.x is supported to distingush between cycles and builds. '''tonymec''' thinks this might work but '''ewong''' isn't sure if the infra can cope with this.
* Several languages seem to be no longer being updated and are missing many translations. They were removed from the website for 2.48 Beta 1. {{bug|1356294}} tracks the removal from the build files.

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the AMO people to discuss this.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the Thunderbird people to discuss this.

** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] adds HTML validation to SeaMonkey. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it worked with them last year. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2.49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and were fixed.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.

==== 2.46 current release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)

===== 2.47 skipped =====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)

==== 2.48 planned next release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (3)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (23)

==== 2.49.x subsequent releases ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.49 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey249&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey248&v2=2.49 fixed] (36)

==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want sysnc 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads. Its going away in
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug.
* Nightly and Aurora updates are broken. {{bug|1321131}} might be the cause. Aurora users need to be migrated to another channel if possible.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 19 new, 5 fixed, 21 triaged.
* comparably high triaging effort, more average number of new bugs filed.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 40 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now but will likely come with Firefox 57. Unclear if at first it can be pref controlled.
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website was updated but it still needs work.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
** '''rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1362860}}.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''IanN will handle review requests. Ratty is currently absent. frg can also do website reviews as long as he doesn't break things'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
==== IanN ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Landed on seamonkey-project.org:
* {{Bug|1362860}} Update and extend donation-related information on the seamonkey-project.org website ''(initial patch)''
** upfront fix to change Mozilla Foundation references to SeaMonkey Association
Ready to land on comm-central:
* {{Bug|1366122}} Set privacy.resistFingerprinting to define a default and make it discoverable
** basically a straight port of Firefox {{bug|1345322}}
Continue to work on:
* {{Bug|1362860}} Update and extend donation-related information on the seamonkey-project.org website ''(main patch)''
** more infos on donation process and usage
Still planning to look into:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** Move related items to a new Appearance → Media prefpane
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====
* I won't be able to attend, sorry.
* Not much out of the ordinary this fortnight though a couple of very annoying bugs have surfaced recently: Location bar {{bug|1364677}} (in SeaMonkey::Location Bar, ASSIGNED to frg) and crashing {{bug|1363076}} (in Core::Document Navigation, NEW with freesamael as Assignee). I'm remaining on the May 12 nightly while waiting for them to get FIXED.

=== Any other business? ===
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-04-23

2017-04-23T13:44:09Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -3 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=23&month=4&year=2017&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 23 April, 2017, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Something needs to be done about the lack of developers and support staff or SeaMonkey will be no more in the near future.
** '''frg''' did prepare a "asking for help" draft for the council. He is waiting for final comments and will be post it in the various SeaMonkey newsgroups. Some users are willing to proof-read and translate to other languages before it goes out.
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the current l10n build configs. Needs to be monitored.
** {{bug|1107635}} - Rewrite build system l10n repack rules from Makefile rules into a Python script might also affect a timely l10n repack
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong confirmed that he has the Google API key. Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build config config changes are not yet checked in. Ewong contacted Mozilla for a geolocation key and so far received no response. The Google API key can be used instead of the Mozilla key with some pref changes. rsx11m fixed a bug to use the Google key for now in all trees {{bug|1352850}}.
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to update the project areas soon.
* Discussions and planning about the future of SeaMonkey and if we should set up own builders are still going on.
** frg asked Adrian about his build config. He runs a small setup: 2 PCs, a Mac and a Jumhost (DD-WRT router). 1 PC is the Buildmaster and second the server with VMs for Windows and Linux building.
** Ratty would like to have a try server.
** frg misses an OSX try server most.
** There would be problems uploading binaries to Mozilla servers. Linux distributors can upload crash-symbols. This would probably be possible.
** An infra architect is now working for Thunderbird. The SeaMonkey project has gotten an invitation to join but nothing has been discussed yet. '''IanN''' asked '''ewong''' if he could get in touch with rkent. A new TB council has been elected and talks could start.
** A joint discussion should take place. Not finalized who organizes this and when.
** Depending on the outcome builder software would also need to be selected. Adrian is in favor of Jenkins because buildbot expertise is rare.
** Due to cost and availability the generation of daily builds would need to be cut back. The team doesn't see much problems here and a new schedule could be worked out.
** '''IanN''' mentioned taskcluster as an alternative to buildbot. According to '''ewong''' and '''frg''' it looks complex and Mozilla specific.
*** The Thunderbird project plans to hire a designer for a new build infrastructure in the near future.
** There are plans by Mozilla to do cross compiles on Linux for Windows and macOS. Not finalized yet.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}} which is now mostly fixed. I think the part can be removed for now.
** Works in SeaMonkey. No additional preferences are needed after '''rsx11m''' fixed {{bug|1352849}} but for the V4 lists the Googgle API key needs to be on the server. The initial blocklists (unrelated item) were taken care of in {{bug|1358750}}.
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===


* Various Bugs open for building.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building is done on the loaner.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule.
*** CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
*** DOMi still needs to be sorted.
*** Lightning l10n upload still needs to be sorted.
* [23rd April 2017]
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.
*** All tests are red.
** All trees:
*** Linux*: busted due to {{bug|1350506}}. While it is 'fixed', the fix undid the mercurial upgrade. So I'll need to update the mercurial package somehow
** [comm-central]:
*** OSX64: green/orange
*** Win32: busted. Been working on the puppet issue that I've missed the builds.
** [comm-aurora]:
*** *removed* No longer available due to {{bug|1354818}}.
** [comm-beta]:
*** OSX64: green/orange
*** Win32: busted. Been working on the puppet issue that I've missed the builds.
** [comm-release]:
*** OSX64: green/orange
*** Win32: busted. Been working on the puppet issue that I've missed the builds.

* Notes:
** '''Ewong''' did set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are only done on the loaner. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008 R2] will likely never happen.
*** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.

==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Release Train ===
* '''SeaMonkey 2.48 beta 1 released''' April 15, 2017 — ''kudos to ewong!''
* SeaMonkey 2.48 will be the next release tracked in {{Bug|1351984}} (general beta issues in {{bug|1328886}})
** Updates from 2.39b1 apparently did not work, relevant for the 2.48 release to upgrade from 2.46 without problems.
** l10n problems from 2.46 are still not solved. Extensions again can not be shipped bundled with this release. A removal patch has been checked in. DOMi and cZ tags have nevertheless been updated for a future release.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla and is working on the DOMi repack issues.
*** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).
** Release notes in {{Bug|1336315}}.
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds.
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).
*** A regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.
** SeaMonkey 2.49 will be build with ALSA support. This has been disabled in Firefox 52 and causes problems for Linux users (see discussion in {{bug|1345661}}).
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL
** 2.48 is still 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}
** frg mentioned that the 2.48 is getting late and if we should jump directly to 2.49 after the 2.48 beta which is mostly done now for getting the migration to balrog tested. ewong wants a stable 2.48 release as an interim to further test the migration work.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.

* '''The aurora channel is discontinued per last merge on April 18''' ({{bug|1353821}}, {{bug|1354818}})
** comm-central stays on SeaMonkey 2.52 and will merge directly into comm-beta around June 12.

* ewong: Suggests the following:
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)
*** Start with comm-central trunk.
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]
*** Start later with comm-central we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build; but I don't know how the tests are going to work though this will need to wait).
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.

* Current plan is to do releases off comm-esr52. No current backup plan other than continue building off comm-release.
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.
** '''rsx11m''' filed {{bug|1358148}} to get status and approval flags added in bugzilla for SeaMonkey
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the AMO people to discuss this.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the Thunderbird people to discuss this.

** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] adds HTML validation to SeaMonkey. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it worked with them last year. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2.49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and were fixed.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.

==== 2.46 current release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)

===== 2.47 skipped =====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)

==== 2.48 planned next release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (3)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (23)

==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want sysnc 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API has been checked in and broke SeaMonkey 2.51. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN and frg for the Data Manager part.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 13 new, 5 fixed, 3 triaged.
* low triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 36 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now but will likely come with Firefox 57. Unclear if at first it can be pref controlled.
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website was updated but it still needs work.
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point.
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''IanN will handle review requests. Ratty is currently absent.'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====

Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|912031}} Removal of sync FormHistory api. Only a+ for uplift to Beta and test parts review missing. Filed {{Bug|1346850}} "guid in FormHistory notification "formhistory-remove" is always null" against toolkit.
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something.
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?

Working on:
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked and various build breakages.
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.
* {{Bug|1326377}} Media view 'Save As ...' for embedded(?) picture fails. Need to find out how to get the private window status.
* Did support stuff and working with ewong to get 2.48b1 out of the door.
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they can be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.

Titbits:
* No time for Sync at the moment.
* Helped ewong the get 2.48b1 out of the door and did mostly support and release stuff in the last two weeks. Some small bugs taken care of.

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.

==== IanN ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Landed on comm-central:
* {{Bug|1352849}} Enable SafeBrowsing v4 tables on SeaMonkey nightly builds
* {{Bug|1352850}} Switch to Google for Geolocation services in all builds
** should land on comm-beta and comm-esr52 as well ''(approvals pending)''
Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1358316}} Update System Requirements for Linux on seamonkey-project.org as they changed for 2.48
Filed:
* {{Bug|1354818}} Project Dawn for SeaMonkey (remove aurora channel)
* {{Bug|1358148}} Please add {tracking,status}-seamonkey-esr2.49 to the tracking flags and enable approval-comm-esr52 for SeaMonkey attachments
Still planning to look into:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** Move related items to a new Appearance → Media prefpane
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====

* {{Bug|1344411|Bug 1344411 - Lightweight themes are not supported anymore in SeaMonkey}} : RESOLVED FIXED, r=IanN, a(2.51)=IanN, 2.50-unaffected, 2.51-fixed, 2.52-fixed, verifyme
** Patch written with much needed help by frg at start and finish, tested on Windows by frg and on L64 by me by hacking the omni.ja, awaits verification on both 2.51 and 2.52 on any platform by anyone willing. (Verification on non-Linux may require an owncompiled build.)

=== Any other business? ===
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-04-02

2017-04-19T13:37:51Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=2&month=4&year=2017&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 2 April, 2017, '''14:00''' UTC]
** ('''10'''am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, '''10'''pm Hong Kong)
** '''European Summer Time is in effect''', thus the meetings are 1hr UTC earlier
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): tonymec frg ewong IanN rsx11m and some lurkers.

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''frg for not being nominated in a few weeks :) '''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* Something needs to be done about the lack of developers and support staff or SeaMonkey will be no more in the near future. '''frg''' will prepare an "asking for help" draft for the council. When final it will be posted in the various SeaMonkey newsgroups.
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the current l10n build configs. Needs to be monitored.
** {{bug|1107635}} - Rewrite build system l10n repack rules from Makefile rules into a Python script might also affect a timely l10n repack
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.
** In 2.51+ additional preferences are needed. The blocklist interface will also be changed. You now see errors in a new 2.51 profile. No bug has been filed for this as of now.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong confirmed that he has the Google API key. Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build config config changes are not yet checked in. Ewong contacted Mozilla for a geolocation key. The Google API key can be used instead of the Mozilla key with some pref changes. rsx11m will open a bug to use the Google key for now in all trees ({{bug|1352850}} created after meeting).
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to update the project areas soon.
* Discussions and planning about the future of SeaMonkey and if we should set up own builders are still going on.
** frg asked Adrian about his build config. He runs a small setup: 2 PCs, a Mac and a Jumhost (DD-WRT router). 1 PC is the Buildmaster and second the server with VMs for Windows and Linux building.
** Ratty would like to have a try server.
** frg misses an OSX try server most.
** There would be problems uploading binaries to Mozilla servers. Linux distributors can upload crash-symbols. This would probably be possible.
** An infra architect is now working for Thunderbird. The SeaMonkey project has gotten an invitation to join but nothing has been discussed yet. '''IanN''' asked '''ewong''' if he could get in touch with rkent. A new TB council has been elected and talks could start.
** A joint discussion should take place. Not finalized who organizes this and when.
** Depending on the outcome builder software would also need to be selected. Adrian is in favor of Jenkins because buildbot expertise is rare.
** Due to cost and availability the generation of daily builds would need to be cut back. The team doesn't see much problems here and a new schedule could be worked out.
** '''IanN''' mentioned taskcluster as an alternative to buildbot. According to '''ewong''' and '''frg''' it looks complex and Mozilla specific.
*** The Thunderbird project plans to hire a designer for a new build infrastructure in the near future.
** There are plans by Mozilla to do cross compiles on Linux for Windows and macOS. Not finalized yet.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===


* Various Bugs open for building.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building is done on the loaner.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule.
*** CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
*** DOMi still needs to be sorted.
*** Lightning l10n upload still needs to be sorted.
* [2nd Apri 2017]
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.
*** All tests are red.
** [comm-central]:
*** All platforms: green
*** See {{bug|1345770}} for current breakages.
*** {{bug|1344411}} - 'Lightweight themes are not supported anymore in SeaMonkey' needs a helping hand. If we just port the Firefox build the titlebar will be overwritten by some themes.
** [comm-aurora]:
*** Linux*: Green
*** OSX64: Orange/Green
*** See {{bug|1334779}} for current breakages.
** [comm-beta]
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.
** [comm-release]:
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.
** [comm-esr52]:
*** No automation. [Filed {{bug|1352820}}]
*** Broken by uplift of {{bug|1299500}} which also affects Thunderbird and Firefox.

* Notes:
** '''Ewong''' did set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are only done on the loaner. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008 R2] will likely never happen.
*** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.

==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Release Train ===
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}
* SeaMonkey 2.48 will be the next release tracked in {{Bug|1336310}} (general beta issues in {{bug|1328886}})
** SeaMonkey 2.48 beta 1 is in candidates [https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/candidates/2.48b1-candidates/build7/]. '''ewong''' wants to figure out if updates from 2.39b1 can be made to work so that the 2.48 release will upgrade from 2.46 without problems.
** l10n problems from 2.46 are still not solved. Extensions again can not be shipped bundled with this release. A removal patch has been checked in. DOMi and cZ tags have nevertheless been updated for a future release.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla and is working on the DOMi repack issues.
*** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).
** Release notes in {{Bug|1336315}}.
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds. Building with gtk2 currently helds up the build because there are several minor problems in mozilla code. Fixes are redy and will be pushed to the beta branch. '''ewong''' is currently asking for approval because he isn't sure if we could do this. IanN and frg think we did it before and no approval is needed because its branch only.
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).
*** A regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.
** SeaMonkey 2.49 will be build with ALSA support. This has been disabled in Firefox 52 and causes problems for Linux users (see discussion in {{bug|1345661}}).
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL
** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}
** frg mentioned that the 2.48 is getting late and if we should jump directly to 2.49 after the 2.48 beta which is mostly done now for getting the migration to balrog tested. ewong wants a stable 2.48 release as an interim to further test the migration work.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.

* ewong: Suggests the following:
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)
*** Start with comm-central trunk.
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]
*** Start later with comm-central we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build; but I don't know how the tests are going to work though this will need to wait).
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.

* Current plan is to do releases off comm-esr52. No current backup plan other than continue building off comm-release.
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the AMO people to discuss this.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the Thunderbird people to discuss this.

** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] adds HTML validation to SeaMonkey. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it worked with them last year. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2.49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and were fixed.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.

==== 2.46 current release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)

===== 2.47 skipped =====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)

==== 2.48 planned next release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (3)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (22)

==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want sysnc 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API has been checked in and broke SeaMonkey 2.51. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN and frg for the Data Manager part.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 14 new, 3 fixed, 4 triaged.
* low triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 38 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now but will likely come with Firefox 57. Unclear if at first it can be pref controlled.
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website was updated but it still needs work.
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point.
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''IanN will handle review requests. Ratty is currently absent.'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====

Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|912031}} Removal of sync FormHistory api. Data Manager part reviewable. Filed {{Bug|1346850}} "guid in FormHistory notification "formhistory-remove" is always null" against toolkit.
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something.
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi. Need to do a followup for separate calendar dupes.
* {{Bug|1348319}} Port {{Bug|1343821}} to SeaMonkey [Remove Dynamic Skin Switching (DSS) support]. Not much of a bug :)

Working on:
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked and various build breakages.
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.
* {{Bug|1326377}} Media view 'Save As ...' for embedded(?) picture fails. Need to find out how to get the private window status.
* Did support stuff and working with ewong to get 2.48b1 out of the door.
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they can be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.

Titbits:
* No time for Sync at the moment.
* Did mostly support and release stuff in the last two weeks. Not much time here either. Real life interfered.

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.

==== IanN ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Still planning to look into:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** Move related items to a new Appearance → Media prefpane
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====



=== Any other business? ===
* Due to the Easter holidays, the next meeting will be in '''three''' weeks, April 23rd.

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-04-02

2017-04-07T19:23:06Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=2&month=4&year=2017&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 2 April, 2017, '''14:00''' UTC]
** ('''10'''am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, '''10'''pm Hong Kong)
** '''European Summer Time is in effect''', thus the meetings are 1hr UTC earlier
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): tonymec frg ewong IanN rsx11m and some lurkers.

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''frg for not being nominated in a few weeks :) '''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* Something needs to be done about the lack of developers and support staff or SeaMonkey will be no more in the near future. '''frg''' will prepare an "asking for help" draft for the council. When final it will be posted in the various SeaMonkey newsgroups.
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the current l10n build configs. Needs to be monitored.
** {{bug|1107635}} - Rewrite build system l10n repack rules from Makefile rules into a Python script might also affect a timely l10n repack
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.
** In 2.51+ additional preferences are needed. The blocklist interface will also be changed. You now see errors in a new 2.51 profile. No bug has been filed for this as of now.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong confirmed that he has the Google API key. Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build config config changes are not yet checked in. Ewong contacted Mozilla for a geolocation key. The Google API key can be used instead of the Mozilla key with some pref changes. rsx11m will open a bug to use the Google key for now in all trees ({{bug|1352850}} created after meeting).
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to update the project areas soon.
* Discussions and planning about the future of SeaMonkey and if we should set up own builders are still going on.
** frg asked Adrian about his build config. He runs a small setup: 2 PCs, a Mac and a Jumhost (DD-WRT router). 1 PC is the Buildmaster and second the server with VMs for Windows and Linux building.
** Ratty would like to have a try server.
** frg misses an OSX try server most.
** There would be problems uploading binaries to Mozilla servers. Linux distributors can upload crash-symbols. This would probably be possible.
** An infra architect is now working for Thunderbird. The SeaMonkey project has gotten an invitation to join but nothing has been discussed yet. '''IanN''' asked '''ewong''' if he could get in touch with rkent. A new TB council has been elected and talks could start.
** A joint discussion should take place. Not finalized who organizes this and when.
** Depending on the outcome builder software would also need to be selected. Adrian is in favor of Jenkins because buildbot expertise is rare.
** Due to cost and availability the generation of daily builds would need to be cut back. The team doesn't see much problems here and a new schedule could be worked out.
** '''IanN''' mentioned taskcluster as an alternative to buildbot. According to '''ewong''' and '''frg''' it looks complex and Mozilla specific.
*** The Thunderbird project plans to hire a designer for a new build infrastructure in the near future.
** There are plans by Mozilla to do cross compiles on Linux for Windows and macOS. Not finalized yet.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===


* Various Bugs open for building.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building is done on the loaner.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule.
*** CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
*** DOMi still needs to be sorted.
*** Lightning l10n upload still needs to be sorted.
* [2nd Apri 2017]
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.
*** All tests are red.
** [comm-central]:
*** All platforms: green
*** See {{bug|1345770}} for current breakages.
*** {{bug|1344411}} - 'Lightweight themes are not supported anymore in SeaMonkey' needs a helping hand. If we just port the Firefox build the titlebar will be overwritten by some themes.
** [comm-aurora]:
*** Linux*: Green
*** OSX64: Orange/Green
*** See {{bug|1334779}} for current breakages.
** [comm-beta]
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.
** [comm-release]:
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.
** [comm-esr52]:
*** No automation. [Filed {{bug|1352820}}]
*** Broken by uplift of {{bug|1299500}} which also affects Thunderbird and Firefox.

* Notes:
** '''Ewong''' did set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are only done on the loaner. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008 R2] will likely never happen.
*** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.

==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Release Train ===
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}
* SeaMonkey 2.48 will be the next release tracked in {{Bug|1336310}} (general beta issues in {{bug|1328886}})
** SeaMonkey 2.48 beta 1 is in candidates [https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/candidates/2.48b1-candidates/build7/]. '''ewong''' wants to figure out if updates from 2.39b1 can be made to work so that the 2.48 release will upgrade from 2.46 without problems.
** l10n problems from 2.46 are still not solved. Extensions again can not be shipped bundled with this release. A removal patch has been checked in. DOMi and cZ tags have nevertheless been updated for a future release.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla and is working on the DOMi repack issues.
*** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).
** Release notes in {{Bug|1336315}}.
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds. Building with gtk2 currently helds up the build because there are several minor problems in mozilla code. Fixes are redy and will be pushed to the beta branch. '''ewong''' is currently asking for approval because he isn't sure if we could do this. IanN and frg think we did it before and no approval is needed because its branch only.
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).
*** A regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.
** SeaMonkey 2.49 will be build with ALSA support. This has been disabled in Firefox 52 and causes problems for Linux users (see discussion in {{bug|1345661}}).
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL
** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}
** frg mentioned that the 2.48 is getting late and if we should jump directly to 2.49 after the 2.48 beta which is mostly done now for getting the migration to balrog tested. ewong wants a stable 2.48 release as an interim to further test the migration work.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.

* ewong: Suggests the following:
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)
*** Start with comm-central trunk.
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]
*** Start later with comm-central we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build; but I don't know how the tests are going to work though this will need to wait).
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.

* Current plan is to do releases off comm-esr52. No current backup plan other than continue building off comm-release.
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the AMO people to discuss this.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the Thunderbird people to discuss this.

** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] adds HTML validation to SeaMonkey. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it worked with them last year. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2.49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and were fixed.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.

==== 2.46 current release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)

===== 2.47 skipped =====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)

==== 2.48 planned next release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (3)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (22)

==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want sysnc 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API has been checked in and broke SeaMonkey 2.51. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN and frg for the Data Manager part.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 14 new, 3 fixed, 4 triaged.
* low triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 38 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now but will likely come with Firefox 57. Unclear if at first it can be pref controlled.
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website was updated but it still needs work.
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point.
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''IanN will handle review requests. Ratty is currently absent.'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====

Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|912031}} Removal of sync FormHistory api. Data Manager part reviewable. Filed {{Bug|1346850}} "guid in FormHistory notification "formhistory-remove" is always null" against toolkit.
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something.
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi. Need to do a followup for separate calendar dupes.
* {{Bug|1348319}} Port {{Bug|1343821}} to SeaMonkey [Remove Dynamic Skin Switching (DSS) support]. Not much of a bug :)

Working on:
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked and various build breakages.
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.
* {{Bug|1326377}} Media view 'Save As ...' for embedded(?) picture fails. Need to find out how to get the private window status.
* Did support stuff and working with ewong to get 2.48b1 out of the door.
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they can be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.

Titbits:
* No time for Sync at the moment.
* Did mostly support and release stuff in the last two weeks. Not much time here either. Real life interfered.

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.

==== IanN ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Still planning to look into:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** Move related items to a new Appearance → Media prefpane
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====



=== Any other business? ===
* Due to the Easter holidays, the next meeting will be in '''three''' weeks, April 23rd.

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-04-02

2017-04-05T14:09:10Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +3 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=2&month=4&year=2017&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 2 April, 2017, '''14:00''' UTC]
** ('''10'''am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, '''10'''pm Hong Kong)
** '''European Summer Time is in effect''', thus the meetings are 1hr UTC earlier
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): tonymec frg ewong IanN rsx11m and some lurkers.

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''frg for not being nominated in a few weeks :) '''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* Something needs to be done about the lack of developers and support staff or SeaMonkey will be no more in the near future. '''frg''' will prepare an "asking for help" draft for the council. When final it will be posted in the various SeaMonkey newsgroups.
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the current l10n build configs. Needs to be monitored.
** {{bug|1107635}} - Rewrite build system l10n repack rules from Makefile rules into a Python script might also affect a timely l10n repack
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.
** In 2.51+ additional preferences are needed. The blocklist interface will also be changed. You now see errors in a new 2.51 profile. No bug has been filed for this as of now.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong confirmed that he has the Google API key. Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build config config changes are not yet checked in. Ewong contacted Mozilla for a geolocation key. The Google API key can be used instead of the Mozilla key with some pref changes. rsx11m will open a bug to use the Google key for now in all trees ({{bug|1352850}} created after meeting).
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to update the project areas soon.
* Discussions and planning about the future of SeaMonkey and if we should set up own builders are still going on.
** frg asked Adrian about his build config. He runs a small setup: 2 PCs, a Mac and a Jumhost (DD-WRT router). 1 PC is the Buildmaster and second the server with VMs for Windows and Linux building.
** Ratty would like to have a try server.
** frg misses an OSX try server most.
** There would be problems uploading binaries to Mozilla servers. Linux distributors can upload crash-symbols. This would probably be possible.
** An infra architect is now working for Thunderbird. The SeaMonkey project has gotten an invitation to join but nothing has been discussed yet. '''IanN''' asked '''ewong''' if he could get in touch with rkent. A new TB council has been elected and talks could start.
** A joint discussion should take place. Not finalized who organizes this and when.
** Depending on the outcome builder software would also need to be selected. Adrian is in favor of Jenkins because buildbot expertise is rare.
** Due to cost and availability the generation of daily builds would need to be cut back. The team doesn't see much problems here and a new schedule could be worked out.
** '''IanN''' mentioned taskcluster as an alternative to buildbot. According to '''ewong''' and '''frg''' it looks complex and Mozilla specific.
*** The Thunderbird project plans to hire a designer for a new build infrastructure in the near future.
** There are plans by Mozilla to do cross compiles on Linux for Windows and macOS. Not finalized yet.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===


* Various Bugs open for building.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building is done on the loaner.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule.
*** CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
*** DOMi still needs to be sorted.
*** Lightning l10n upload still needs to be sorted.
* [2nd Apri 2017]
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.
*** All tests are red.
** [comm-central]:
*** All platforms: green
*** See {{bug|1345770}} for current breakages.
*** {{bug|1344411}} - 'Lightweight themes are not supported anymore in SeaMonkey' needs a helping hand. If we just port the Firefox build the titlebar will be overwritten by some themes.
** [comm-aurora]:
*** Linux*: Green
*** OSX64: Orange/Green
*** See {{bug|1334779}} for current breakages.
** [comm-beta]
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.
** [comm-release]:
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.
** [comm-esr52]:
*** No automation. [Filed {{bug|1352820}}]
*** Broken by uplift of {{bug|1299500}} which also affects Thunderbird and Firefox.

* Notes:
** '''Ewong''' did set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are only done on the loaner. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008 R2] will likely never happen.
*** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.

==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Release Train ===
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}
* SeaMonkey 2.48 will be the next release tracked in {{Bug|1336310}} (general beta issues in {{bug|1328886}})
** SeaMonkey 2.48 beta 1 is in candidates [https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/candidates/2.48b1-candidates/build7/]. '''ewong''' wants to figure out if updates from 2.39b1 can be made to work so that the 2.48 release will upgrade from 2.46 without problems.
** l10n problems from 2.46 are still not solved. Extensions again can not be shipped bundled with this release. A removal patch has been checked in. DOMi and cZ tags have nevertheless been updated for a future release.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla and is working on the DOMi repack issues.
*** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).
** Release notes in {{Bug|1336315}}.
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds. Building with gtk2 currently helds up the build because there are several minor problems in mozilla code. Fixes are redy and will be pushed to the beta branch. '''ewong''' is currently asking for approval because he isn't sure if we could do this. IanN and frg think we did it before and no approval is needed because its branch only.
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).
*** A regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.
** SeaMonkey 2.49 will be build with ALSA support. This has been disabled in Firefox 52 and causes problems for Linux users (see discussion in {{bug|1345661}}).
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL
** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}
** frg mentioned that the 2.48 is getting late and if we should jump directly to 2.49 after the 2.48 beta which is mostly done now for getting the migration to balrog tested. ewong wants a stable 2.48 release as an interim to further test the migration work.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.

* ewong: Suggests the following:
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)
*** Start with comm-central trunk.
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]
*** Start later with comm-central we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build; but I don't know how the tests are going to work though this will need to wait).
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.

* Current plan is to do releases off comm-esr52. No current backup plan other than continue building off comm-release.
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the AMO people to discuss this.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the Thunderbird people to discuss this.

** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] adds HTML validation to SeaMonkey. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it worked with them last year. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2.49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and were fixed.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.

==== 2.46 current release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)

===== 2.47 skipped =====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)

==== 2.48 planned next release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (3)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (22)

==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want sysnc 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API has been checked in and broke SeaMonkey 2.51. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN and frg for the Data Manager part.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 14 new, 3 fixed, 4 triaged.
* low triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 38 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now but will likely come with Firefox 57. Unclear if at first it can be pref controlled.
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website was updated but it still needs work.
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point.
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''IanN will handle review requests. Ratty is currently absent.'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====

Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|912031}} Removal of sync FormHistory api. Data Manager part reviewable. Filed {{Bug|1346850}} "guid in FormHistory notification "formhistory-remove" is always null" against toolkit.
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something.
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi. Need to do a followup for separate calendar dupes.
* {{Bug|1348319}} Port {{Bug|1343821}} to SeaMonkey [Remove Dynamic Skin Switching (DSS) support]. Not much of a bug :)

Working on:
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked and various build breakages.
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.
* {{Bug|1326377}} Media view 'Save As ...' for embedded(?) picture fails. Need to find out how to get the private window status.
* Did support stuff and working with ewong to get 2.48b1 out of the door.
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they can be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.

Titbits:
* No time for Sync at the moment.
* Did mostly support and release stuff in the last two weeks. Not much time here either. Real life interfered.

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.

==== IanN ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Still planning to look into:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** Move related items to a new Appearance → Media prefpane
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====



=== Any other business? ===
* Due to the Easter holidays, the next meeting will be in '''three''' weeks, April 23rd.

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-12-06

2016-12-14T18:18:03Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=6&month=12&year=2016&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 6 December, 2016, 13:00 UTC]
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): Ratty IanN rsx11m ewong jez libertyernie hrosik

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''Rainer Bielefeld''' for testing and doing good work with his en-us and de SeaMonkey blogs.

=== Special agenda only for this meeting ===
* Because of the 0-day {{bug|1321066}}, the problems building 2.46 on the official build servers and the bleak outlook with XUL and classic extensions removal on the horizon the regular meeting agenda was thrown overboard for this meeting only to discuss future plans.
==== 2.40.1 release ====
* Doing a 2.40.1 release was suggested until 2.46 is ready because of the 0-day bug.
** Pros
*** Would fix this bug and could probably be done.
*** l10n building is or was working for 2.40.
** Cons
*** 0-day fix might not apply clean.
*** Because of releng changes update might not be uploadable without changing the configs and build files.
*** It would only fix this one bug. There are many other security related fixed in 2.46 and now 2.47.
*** 2.40 is outdated (especially html5 and js support) and users expect a new release.
** No final decision but the consensus seems to be it should not be done.
==== 2.46 release and what to do ====
* 2.46 is still stalled because of {{bug|1231349}}
** It was decided to remove cZ and DOMi for this build only.
*** '''frg''' provided a patch which worked for him and removed the extensions. It applied clean onto the c-r rel branch.
*** '''ewong''' commented that the source teee on the builder is different.
*** Links to amo or alternate sites need to be provided for the removed extensions.
*** Lightning did build successfully locally with the patch. {{bug|1309372}} is fixed in all trees and the next version should contain a Lightning with a correct version number.
*** compare-locales was recently updated. '''frg''' used 1.2.1. '''ewong''' checks the builders.
** '''IanN''' provided another patch which fixed the problem for him locally
*** '''frg''' tested the patch and commented in the bug.
** The feeling is that something with the builders is not ok or missing.
** '''ewong''' needs to verify the source tree on the builder for changes and do another clean build.
==== Release Planning in case 2.46 can not be build ====
* Many users are already using the unofficial SeaMonkey version from '''adriank'''. He now builds also for macOS.
* If the current version can not be build on the official servers a short term solution is to make Adrians versions official.
** This version would be 2.47 and needed to be made from provided cSets so that Linux distros can pick up an official source package.
** Release tree needs to be tagged for this.
** It is unclear if such a build could be uploaded to Mozilla servers. In this case it would need to go to seamonkey-project.org.
* '''adriank''' knows about it and didn't say no but details still need to be worked out.
==== Release Planning next release ====
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unlcear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey dev team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.
* Thunderbird already does ESR only. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the dev team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.
==== Release Planning mid/long term ====
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.


=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* What to do about 0-day {{bug|1321066}}:
** Preferably release 2.46 with the fix, just would have to land on m-r relbranch;
** alternatively, spin a 2.40.1 if patch applies and doesn't cause any other issues.
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===


* Various Bugs open for building.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building on the loaner works.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.
* [6th December 2016]
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)
** [comm-central]:
*** All Platforms: "Crimson red" due to the XPCOM bug. {{bug|1318735}}. '''Fixed after the meeting.''' First tinderbox builds already out.
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.
*** No longer able to drop a url into the browser. {{bug|1319212}}
*** Sessionstore problem because jarprefix was removed.{{bug|1319114}}
** [comm-aurora]:
*** Linux*: Green
*** OSX64: Orange/Green
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.
** [comm-beta]
*** Pretty much green/orange.
** [comm-release]:
*** Green/Orange.

* Notes:
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.

==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Release Train ===
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}
** Currently, 2.46 is still a not released but progress is being made. Users also reported that the 2.46 en-US candidates are stable.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. '''landed on trunk'''
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.
** '''frg''' suggests shipping 2.46 without cZ and DOMi if the l10n problems can not be fixed in time.
*** likely to happen for all locales including (en-US)

* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Merges have been performed on November 14th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was on October 31st as planned), thus m-r/c-r are now on SM 2.'''47'''.
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.

==== 2.40 current release ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]

====== 2.41 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey241&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey240&v2=2.41 fixed] (26)

====== 2.42 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.42 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey242&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.42 fixed] (21)

====== 2.43 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&v2=2.43 fixed] (10)

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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (3)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.44 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey244&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey243&v2=2.44 fixed] (22)

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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey245&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey245&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.45 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey245&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey244&v2=2.45 fixed] (15)

==== 2.46 planned upcoming release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (2)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (26)

==== 2.47 current tip ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (12)

==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up. '''frg''' asked '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' if the xpfe autocomplete really should be changed. For only fields the standard Gecko autocomplete could be used without code duplication.
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).
*** TLS 1.3 has been enabled in Gecko 52 by default in {{Bug|1310516}}.
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> is now 3 for TLS 1.3. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.

* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 26 new, 11 fixed, 19 triaged.
* higher triaging effort, higher number of new bugs filed compared to previous period.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 6 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too.
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now.
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated.
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point.
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====

Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something.
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey. Mostly done. Release not checked in. Waiting a little longer in case of problems. So far none reported.
* {{Bug|1318133}} Replace calls to AddDDEHandlerValues with AddDisabledDDEHandlerValues.
* {{Bug|1318735}} Cannot compile due to XPCOM. Getting rid of suite.dll / suite.so binary component. Needs superreview from IanN.
* {{Bug|1318966}} Remove MOZ_INCOMPLETE_EXTERNAL_LINKAGE from c-c

Working on:
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages.
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows c-c to build. I will assemble the lists. In the long run we will error out if duplicates are encountered.
* Bug triaging to get the wrinkles out of 2.49.
* Was mostly occupied with 2.46 l10n otherwise. Doing local building with patches and testing for ewong.

Titbits:
* No time for Sync at the moment.

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.

==== IanN ====
==== InvisibleSmiley ====
==== KaiRo ====
==== mcsmurf ====
==== Misak ====
==== Mnyromyr ====
==== Neil ====
==== Px ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
Fixed:
* {{Bug|1310285}} "Available profiles" Pane in "Switch Profile" dialog too narrow for long profile name.
* {{Bug|1320709}} selectForOfflineUse button completely fails to show the icon due to fallout from {{Bug|348720}}.
* {{Bug|1321011}} Update package-manifest.in for recent changes in November 2016.
In Progress/waiting for review:
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.
* {{Bug|1320095}} Error: TypeError: this.browser.finder.onFindbarOpen is not a function.
Other stuff:
* Did some reviews and approvals.
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].

==== rsx11m ====
Hot-fix ready to land, needs updated patch:
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}
** effectively breaks part of the address book
Needs feedback:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== sgautherie ====
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====


=== Any other business? ===
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-12-06

2016-12-14T17:13:16Z

Tonymec: /* tonymec */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=6&month=12&year=2016&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 6 December, 2016, 13:00 UTC]
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): Ratty IanN rsx11m ewong jez libertyernie hrosik

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''Rainer Bielefeld''' for testing and doing good work with his en-us and de SeaMonkey blogs.

=== Special agenda only for this meeting ===
* Because of the 0-day {{bug|1321066}}, the problems building 2.46 on the official build servers and the bleak outlook with XUL and classic extensions removal on the horizon the regular meeting agenda was thrown overboard for this meeting only to discuss future plans.
==== 2.40.1 release ====
* Doing a 2.40.1 release was suggested until 2.46 is ready because of the 0-day bug.
** Pros
*** Would fix this bug and could probably be done.
*** l10n building is or was working for 2.40.
** Cons
*** 0-day fix might not apply clean.
*** Because of releng changes update might not be uploadable without changing the configs and build files.
*** It would only fix this one bug. There are many other security related fixed in 2.46 and now 2.47.
*** 2.40 is outdated (especially html5 and js support) and users expect a new release.
** No final decision but the consensus seems to be it should not be done.
==== 2.46 release and what to do ====
* 2.46 is still stalled because of {{bug|1231349}}
** It was decided to remove cZ and DOMi for this build only.
*** '''frg''' provided a patch which worked for him and removed the extensions. It applied clean onto the c-r rel branch.
*** '''ewong''' commented that the source teee on the builder is different.
*** Links to amo or alternate sites need to be provided for the removed extensions.
*** Lightning did build successfully locally with the patch. {{bug|1309372}} is fixed in all trees and the next version should contain a Lightning with a correct version number.
*** compare-locales was recently updated. '''frg''' used 1.2.1. '''ewong''' checks the builders.
** '''IanN''' provided another patch which fixed the problem for him locally
*** '''frg''' tested the patch and commented in the bug.
** The feeling is that something with the builders is not ok or missing.
** '''ewong''' needs to verify the source tree on the builder for changes and do another clean build.
==== Release Planning in case 2.46 can not be build ====
* Many users are already using the unofficial SeaMonkey version from '''adriank'''. He now builds also for macOS.
* If the current version can not be build on the official servers a short term solution is to make Adrians versions official.
** This version would be 2.47 and needed to be made from provided cSets so that Linux distros can pick up an official source package.
** Release tree needs to be tagged for this.
** It is unclear if such a build could be uploaded to Mozilla servers. In this case it would need to go to seamonkey-project.org.
* '''adriank''' knows about it and didn't say no but details still need to be worked out.
==== Release Planning next release ====
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unlcear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey dev team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.
* Thunderbird already does ESR only. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the dev team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.
==== Release Planning mid/long term ====
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.


=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* What to do about 0-day {{bug|1321066}}:
** Preferably release 2.46 with the fix, just would have to land on m-r relbranch;
** alternatively, spin a 2.40.1 if patch applies and doesn't cause any other issues.
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===


* Various Bugs open for building.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building on the loaner works.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.
* [6th December 2016]
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)
** [comm-central]:
*** All Platforms: "Crimson red" due to the XPCOM bug. {{bug|1318735}}. '''Fixed after the meeting.''' First tinderbox builds already out.
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.
*** No longer able to drop a url into the browser. {{bug|1319212}}
*** Sessionstore problem because jarprefix was removed.{{bug|1319114}}
** [comm-aurora]:
*** Linux*: Green
*** OSX64: Orange/Green
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.
** [comm-beta]
*** Pretty much green/orange.
** [comm-release]:
*** Green/Orange.

* Notes:
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.

==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Release Train ===
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}
** Currently, 2.46 is still a not released but progress is being made. Users also reported that the 2.46 en-US candidates are stable.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. '''landed on trunk'''
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.
** '''frg''' suggests shipping 2.46 without cZ and DOMi if the l10n problems can not be fixed in time.
*** likely to happen for all locales including (en-US)

* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Merges have been performed on November 14th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was on October 31st as planned), thus m-r/c-r are now on SM 2.'''47'''.
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.

==== 2.40 current release ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)
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* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]

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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)
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====== 2.42 skipped ======
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==== 2.46 planned upcoming release ====
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==== 2.47 current tip ====
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==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up. '''frg''' asked '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' if the xpfe autocomplete really should be changed. For only fields the standard Gecko autocomplete could be used without code duplication.
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).
*** TLS 1.3 has been enabled in Gecko 52 by default in {{Bug|1310516}}.
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> is now 3 for TLS 1.3. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.

* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 26 new, 11 fixed, 19 triaged.
* higher triaging effort, higher number of new bugs filed compared to previous period.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 6 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too.
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now.
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated.
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point.
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====

Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something.
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey. Mostly done. Release not checked in. Waiting a little longer in case of problems. So far none reported.
* {{Bug|1318133}} Replace calls to AddDDEHandlerValues with AddDisabledDDEHandlerValues.
* {{Bug|1318735}} Cannot compile due to XPCOM. Getting rid of suite.dll / suite.so binary component. Needs superreview from IanN.
* {{Bug|1318966}} Remove MOZ_INCOMPLETE_EXTERNAL_LINKAGE from c-c

Working on:
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages.
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows c-c to build. I will assemble the lists. In the long run we will error out if duplicates are encountered.
* Bug triaging to get the wrinkles out of 2.49.
* Was mostly occupied with 2.46 l10n otherwise. Doing local building with patches and testing for ewong.

Titbits:
* No time for Sync at the moment.

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.

==== IanN ====
==== InvisibleSmiley ====
==== KaiRo ====
==== mcsmurf ====
==== Misak ====
==== Mnyromyr ====
==== Neil ====
==== Px ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
Fixed:
* {{Bug|1310285}} "Available profiles" Pane in "Switch Profile" dialog too narrow for long profile name.
* {{Bug|1320709}} selectForOfflineUse button completely fails to show the icon due to fallout from {{Bug|348720}}.
* {{Bug|1321011}} Update package-manifest.in for recent changes in November 2016.
In Progress/waiting for review:
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.
* {{Bug|1320095}} Error: TypeError: this.browser.finder.onFindbarOpen is not a function.
Other stuff:
* Did some reviews and approvals.
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].

==== rsx11m ====
Hot-fix ready to land, needs updated patch:
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}
** effectively breaks part of the address book
Needs feedback:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== sgautherie ====
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====


=== Any other business? ===
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-11-22

2016-12-04T17:33:16Z

Tonymec: /* Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=22&month=11&year=2016&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 22 November, 2016, 13:00 UTC]
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): Ratty frg IanN rsx11m ewong

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''No one again. The fishs in the tank are sad about it and demand more food as compensation'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===


* Various Bugs open for building.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed.
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building on the loaner works.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.
* [22nd November 2016]
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)
** [comm-central]:
*** All Platforms: "Crimson red" due to the XPCOM bug. {{bug|1318735}} No successful build on any platform after 2016-11-15.
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.
*** No longer able to drop a url into the browser. {{bug|1319212}}
*** Sessionstore problem because jarprefix was removed.{{bug|1319114}}
** [comm-aurora]:
*** Linux*: Green
*** OSX64: Orange/Green
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.
** [comm-beta]
*** Pretty much green/orange.
** [comm-release]:
*** Green/Orange.

* Notes:
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.

==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* —


=== Release Train ===
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}
** Currently, 2.46 is still a not released but progress is being made. Users also reported that the 2.46 en-US candidates are stable.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. Just waits for r+ from '''Fallen'''.
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.
** '''frg''' suggests shipping 2.46 without cZ and DOMi if the l10n problems can not be fixed in time.

* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Merges have been performed on November 14th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was on October 31st as planned), thus m-r/c-r are now on SM 2.'''47'''.
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.

==== 2.40 current release ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]

====== 2.41 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey241&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey240&v2=2.41 fixed] (26)

====== 2.42 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.42 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey242&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.42 fixed] (21)

====== 2.43 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&v2=2.43 fixed] (10)

====== 2.44 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (3)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.44 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey244&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey243&v2=2.44 fixed] (22)

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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey245&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey245&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.45 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey245&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey244&v2=2.45 fixed] (15)

==== 2.46 planned upcoming release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (26)

==== 2.47 current tip ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (11)

==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up. '''frg''' asked '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' if the xpfe autocomplete really should be changed. For only fields the standard Gecko autocomplete could be used without code duplication.
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.


* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).
*** TLS 1.3 has been enabled in Gecko 52 by default in {{Bug|1310516}}.
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> is now 3 for TLS 1.3. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.

* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 13 new, 4 fixed, 3 triaged.
* very low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too.
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now.
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated.
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point.
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====

Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something.
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.
* {{Bug|1300547}} Suggestion list dropdown with suggestions not shown. Updated the patch for 2.49/2.50. m-c part has review+. Waiting for c-c part review.
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey. Mostly done. Release not checked in. Waiting a little longer in case of problems. So far none reported.
* {{Bug|1309372}} Wrong Lightning version in SeaMonkey 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate.
* {{Bug|1316104}} CRASH [@ nsGlobalWindow::SetOpenerWindow] (with MOZ_RELEASE_ASSERT) when click link which opens link target in new TAB
* {{Bug|1318133}} Replace calls to AddDDEHandlerValues with AddDisabledDDEHandlerValues.
* {{Bug|1318735}} Cannot compile due to XPCOM. Getting rid of suite.dll / suite.so binary component.

Working on:
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages.
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows c-c to build. I will assemble the lists. In the long run we will error out if duplicates are encountered.
* {{Bug|1318966}} Remove MOZ_INCOMPLETE_EXTERNAL_LINKAGE from c-c
* The daily mozilla-central build breakage. And there were another few in the last two weeks...

Titbits:
* No time for Sync at the moment.

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.

==== IanN ====
==== InvisibleSmiley ====
==== KaiRo ====
==== mcsmurf ====
==== Misak ====
==== Mnyromyr ====
==== Neil ====
==== Px ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Needs feedback:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
Filed:
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}
** effectively breaks part of the address book
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== sgautherie ====
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-08-03

2016-08-03T12:01:12Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -15 day}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +13 day}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3&month87&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 '''3''' August, 2016, 12:00 UTC]
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)
** Note: '''That's on Wednesday''', ''one-time change''.
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong.
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. mcsmurf is waiting for survey results to come back, members mailing-list and council appointments can then be reviewed.
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. There just aren't enough people to go around. We probably need to reduce the number of areas or group them together. Draft revised areas to be issued by end of July.
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===

Routine reports:
* Notes:
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
** Various Bugs open for building.
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed.
*** Linux64 Nightly: busted due to {{bug|1275215}}
*** Linux64 build: busted due to {{bug|1275218}}
*** Windows building on the loaner works.
** [3rd August 2016]
*** [comm-central]:
**** All en-US platforms, even Windows, have been built successfully at least once, and most of them regularly, since the previous meeting. At the moment the most hiccups happen on the Mac.
**** Post-merge nightlies are being published for L32 and L64. Otherwise W32(31-Jul), Mac(01-Aug) just before the merge
*** [comm-aurora]:
**** Same as comm-central. W32(31-Jul), Mac(30-Jul).
*** [comm-beta]:
**** No 2.46 nightlies yet. 2.46 tinderbox-builds exist for L32, L64 and Mac, 2.45(29-Jul) for W32.
*** [comm-release]:
**** 2.45 tinderbox-builds exist for L32 and L64, 2.44(24-Jul) for Mac, nothing for Windows.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.

==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* Nothing new here


=== Release Train ===
* Next release will be 2.44 (no ETA yet), directly going to 2.45 is an option.
** {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.44 (2.45?). This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox but will not be backed out there. If the patch for {{Bug|1240798}} is ok it might also be used as an alternative.
** {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** merges were performed as scheduled on August 1st
** mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged July 25th
* l10n builds my be problematic to get out.

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* {{Bug|1291500}} - "Cannot move cZ tabs by drag&drop anymore" affects both Sm & Fx since 13 July. ewong & tonymec suspect "Core :: Drag and Drop" {{bug|1162050}} "Remove draggesture and dragdrop events" which was landed within the regression window.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.

==== 2.40 current release ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]

====== 2.41 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey241&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey240&v2=2.41 fixed] (26)

====== 2.42 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.42 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey242&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.42 fixed] (21)

====== 2.43 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&v2=2.43 fixed] (10)

==== 2.44 planned next release ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.44 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey244&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey243&v2=2.44 fixed] (22)

==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
* Landed, but may need server-side changes to function correctly:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL

* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):
** —

* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1192276}}
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
*** '''about:support ''' has a patch pending review {{Bug|1222818}}
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.
** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. We can check it in and allow users to enable it for testing, then hope it'll be ready when trunk hits release. Since the strings are in already, we are flexible.
*** At least SeaMonkey trunk is built with an NSS version supporting TLS 1.3, <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being.
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 23 new, 13 fixed, 11 triaged.
* medium triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 72 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 3 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil was working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features.
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This was done in {{Bug|1243203}}.
*** Because Neil is AFK frg put a patch up to just move the current help viewer to the suite directory in {{Bug|686168}}.
**** '''IanN and frg have moved the Help Viewer code from m-c into c-c''', with history [http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/pushloghtml?changeset=376136cbab3b]
*** The Error Console has been moved from m-c to c-c as well in {{Bug|1282286}}, [http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/pushloghtml?changeset=fa786e755299]
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now.
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.

* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests. Ratty is currently absent.'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====

Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|1226102}} Browser: F6 always selects sidebar first, then next frame couter-clockwise.
* {{Bug|1240798}} Copy default profile files to new profiles since Bug 1234012 stopped doing. Needs a toolkit patch. '''This is ready but any volunteers to take this part thru Mozilla review are welcome'''. Don't have any experience with try etc. and not much time right now. See bug.
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed Firefox {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46 and 47.
* {{Bug|1273298}} Add-ons are disabled on trunk builds (according to irc conversation might be fixed after setting the defines for the build)
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey.
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to Seamonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. Needs feedback.
* {{Bug|1285798}} Use favicon-service by default in Seamonkey.
* {{Bug|1288743}} Change icon size and options for composer toolbar
* {{Bug|1290756}} Remove help viewer from Toolkit.

Working on:

* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.

Titbits:
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet. No time no progress.

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)
:::: My turf - more or less. I am busy closing UNCONFIRMED bugs (75 this year until now today), but this is much too few to see a real progress. I will try to have a little more priority for this. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:01, 1 August 2016 (PDT)

==== IanN ====
==== InvisibleSmiley ====
==== KaiRo ====
==== mcsmurf ====
==== Misak ====
==== Mnyromyr ====
==== Neil ====
==== Px ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
Probably I will not be able to participate

; currently working on:
* ''''' [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?emailreporter1=1&list_id=13121542&emailtype1=exact&chfieldto=2016-08-04&chfield=%5BBug%20creation%5D&query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=2016-07-19&email1=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de Bug Reporting] and [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=user_activity.html&action=run&who=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&from=2016-07-19&to=2016-08-04&group=when confirming]''''' as usual 
 

; Planned (ToDos)
see [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-07-19#Rainer_Bielefeld]]

==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Pushed to comm-central:
* {{Bug|494424}} Update help for geolocation
Ready to land:
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time
** string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}
** still somewhat uncertain when the checkbox should be exposed, activity is ongoing
Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1016577}} Update about:rights content for Geolocation service similar to Toolkit {{bug|514817}}
* {{Bug|1287753}} In-Reply-To: and References: should be removed from mail saved as Template
** fairly straight port from Thunderbird {{bug|726281}}
* {{Bug|1286703}} On reply to a own sent email the original sender identity is not chosen if other than the account default identity
** ports Thunderbird {{bug|903390}} to SeaMonkey (MailNews part landed with that bug)
** also fixes issue from {{bug|1265534}} when switching signatures in Paragraph mode
* {{Bug|1287289}} Add checkboxes to open the data manager and the addon manager in standalone windows instead of a browser tab
* {{Bug|1287642}} Open as dialog for Add-ons and Data Manager should no longer be associated with browser.link.open_external
** follow-up bugs to {{Bug|1255354}} which added the backend but didn't decouple this from Link Behavior
Filed:
* {{Bug|1289489}} Describe how remote debugging works and add Help for its options in the Advanced Preferences
* {{Bug|1289493}} Save spell checking language with draft message and restore/remember it when editing the draft
** not so straight port from {{bug|1169184}}
Performing ui-review:
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== sgautherie ====
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-08-03

2016-08-03T04:21:33Z

Tonymec: /* Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -15 day}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +13 day}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=3&month87&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 '''3''' August, 2016, 12:00 UTC]
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)
** Note: '''That's on Wednesday''', ''one-time change''.
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong.
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. mcsmurf is waiting for survey results to come back, members mailing-list and council appointments can then be reviewed.
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. There just aren't enough people to go around. We probably need to reduce the number of areas or group them together. Draft revised areas to be issued by end of July.
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===

Routine reports:
* Notes:
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
** Various Bugs open for building.
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed.
*** Linux64 Nightly: busted due to {{bug|1275215}}
*** Linux64 build: busted due to {{bug|1275218}}
*** Windows building on the loaner works.
** [3rd August 2016]
*** [comm-central]:
**** All en-US platforms, even Windows, have been built successfully at least once, and most of them regularly, since the previous meeting. At the moment the most hiccups happen on the Mac.
**** Post-merge nightlies are being published for L32 and L64. Otherwise W32(31-Jul), Mac(01-Aug) just before the merge
*** [comm-aurora]:
**** Same as comm-central. W32(31-Jul), Mac(30-Jul).
*** [comm-beta]:
**** No 2.46 nightlies yet. 2.46 tinderbox-builds exist for L32, L64 and Mac, 2.45(29-Jul) for W32.
*** [comm-release]:
**** 2.45 tinderbox-builds exist for L32 and L64, 2.44(24-Jul) for Mac, nothing for Windows.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.

==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* Nothing new here


=== Release Train ===
* Next release will be 2.44 (no ETA yet), directly going to 2.45 is an option.
** {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.44 (2.45?). This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox but will not be backed out there. If the patch for {{Bug|1240798}} is ok it might also be used as an alternative.
** {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** merges were performed as scheduled on August 1st
** mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged July 25th
* l10n builds my be problematic to get out.

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.

==== 2.40 current release ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]

====== 2.41 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey241&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey240&v2=2.41 fixed] (26)

====== 2.42 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.42 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey242&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.42 fixed] (21)

====== 2.43 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&v2=2.43 fixed] (10)

==== 2.44 planned next release ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.44 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey244&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey243&v2=2.44 fixed] (22)

==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
* Landed, but may need server-side changes to function correctly:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL

* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):
** —

* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1192276}}
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
*** '''about:support ''' has a patch pending review {{Bug|1222818}}
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.
** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. We can check it in and allow users to enable it for testing, then hope it'll be ready when trunk hits release. Since the strings are in already, we are flexible.
*** At least SeaMonkey trunk is built with an NSS version supporting TLS 1.3, <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being.
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 23 new, 13 fixed, 11 triaged.
* medium triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 72 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 3 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil was working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features.
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This was done in {{Bug|1243203}}.
*** Because Neil is AFK frg put a patch up to just move the current help viewer to the suite directory in {{Bug|686168}}.
**** '''IanN and frg have moved the Help Viewer code from m-c into c-c''', with history [http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/pushloghtml?changeset=376136cbab3b]
*** The Error Console has been moved from m-c to c-c as well in {{Bug|1282286}}, [http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/pushloghtml?changeset=fa786e755299]
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now.
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.

* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests. Ratty is currently absent.'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====

Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|1226102}} Browser: F6 always selects sidebar first, then next frame couter-clockwise.
* {{Bug|1240798}} Copy default profile files to new profiles since Bug 1234012 stopped doing. Needs a toolkit patch. '''This is ready but any volunteers to take this part thru Mozilla review are welcome'''. Don't have any experience with try etc. and not much time right now. See bug.
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed Firefox {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46 and 47.
* {{Bug|1273298}} Add-ons are disabled on trunk builds (according to irc conversation might be fixed after setting the defines for the build)
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey.
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to Seamonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. Needs feedback.
* {{Bug|1285798}} Use favicon-service by default in Seamonkey.
* {{Bug|1288743}} Change icon size and options for composer toolbar
* {{Bug|1290756}} Remove help viewer from Toolkit.

Working on:

* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.

Titbits:
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet. No time no progress.

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)
:::: My turf - more or less. I am busy closing UNCONFIRMED bugs (75 this year until now today), but this is much too few to see a real progress. I will try to have a little more priority for this. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:01, 1 August 2016 (PDT)

==== IanN ====
==== InvisibleSmiley ====
==== KaiRo ====
==== mcsmurf ====
==== Misak ====
==== Mnyromyr ====
==== Neil ====
==== Px ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
Probably I will not be able to participate

; currently working on:
* ''''' [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?emailreporter1=1&list_id=13121542&emailtype1=exact&chfieldto=2016-08-04&chfield=%5BBug%20creation%5D&query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=2016-07-19&email1=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de Bug Reporting] and [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=user_activity.html&action=run&who=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&from=2016-07-19&to=2016-08-04&group=when confirming]''''' as usual 
 

; Planned (ToDos)
see [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-07-19#Rainer_Bielefeld]]

==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Pushed to comm-central:
* {{Bug|494424}} Update help for geolocation
Ready to land:
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time
** string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}
** still somewhat uncertain when the checkbox should be exposed, activity is ongoing
Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1016577}} Update about:rights content for Geolocation service similar to Toolkit {{bug|514817}}
* {{Bug|1287753}} In-Reply-To: and References: should be removed from mail saved as Template
** fairly straight port from Thunderbird {{bug|726281}}
* {{Bug|1286703}} On reply to a own sent email the original sender identity is not chosen if other than the account default identity
** ports Thunderbird {{bug|903390}} to SeaMonkey (MailNews part landed with that bug)
** also fixes issue from {{bug|1265534}} when switching signatures in Paragraph mode
* {{Bug|1287289}} Add checkboxes to open the data manager and the addon manager in standalone windows instead of a browser tab
* {{Bug|1287642}} Open as dialog for Add-ons and Data Manager should no longer be associated with browser.link.open_external
** follow-up bugs to {{Bug|1255354}} which added the backend but didn't decouple this from Link Behavior
Filed:
* {{Bug|1289489}} Describe how remote debugging works and add Help for its options in the Advanced Preferences
* {{Bug|1289493}} Save spell checking language with draft message and restore/remember it when editing the draft
** not so straight port from {{bug|1169184}}
Performing ui-review:
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== sgautherie ====
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-07-19

2016-07-16T23:07:46Z

Tonymec: /* Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=19&month=7&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 19 July, 2016, 12:00 UTC]
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing.
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. There just aren't enough people to go around. We probably need to reduce the number of areas or group them together.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===

Routine reports:
* Notes:
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here though the first nightly builds from the loaner fail due to some VS2015 dependencies''', see {{bug|1286373}} and {{bug|1286286}}.
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
** Various Bugs open for building OSX and Linux.
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed.
*** Linux64 Nightly: busted due to {{bug|1275215}}
*** Linux64 build: busted due to {{bug|1275218}}
** The team is unhappy with the current build bot situation but still commited to get it resolved as possible. It was suggested that the unofficial '''adriank''' builds might somehow be uploaded as official builds until the build bots are fixed. ''' adriank''' will speak with '''Callek''' if this is possible.
** [19th July 2016]
*** [comm-central & comm-aurora]
**** All en-US platforms, even Windows, have been built successfully at least once, and most of them regularly, since the previous meeting. At the moment the most hiccups happen on the Mac.
** [5th July 2016]
*** [comm-central]
**** All platforms: busted due to {{bug|1281086}}, {{bug|1282927}} and {{bug|1282286}}. Nothing serious.
**** Consensus that the old error console should be retained in {{bug|1282286}} if possible.
*** [comm-aurora]
**** All platforms (Nightlies): Aside for Windows everything builds.
*** [comm-beta, comm-release]:
**** Aside for the Windows-monkey-on-my-back {{bug|1271903}}, these trees haven't been infected by the bustage that has infected c-c and c-a (yet). [Give them time... I'm sure that can be 'fixed'.]
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.

==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* Nothing new here


=== Release Train ===
* Next release will be 2.44 (no ETA yet).
** {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.44. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox but will not be backed out there. If the patch for {{Bug|1240798}} is ok it might also be used as an alternative.
** {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** next merge is scheduled for August 1st
** mozilla-beta → mozilla-release for July 25th

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.

==== 2.40 current release ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]

====== 2.41 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey241&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey240&v2=2.41 fixed] (26)

====== 2.42 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.42 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey242&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.42 fixed] (21)

====== 2.43 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&v2=2.43 fixed] (10)

==== 2.44 planned next release ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.44 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey244&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey243&v2=2.44 fixed] (22)

==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
* Landed, but may need server-side changes to function correctly:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL

* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):
** —

* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1192276}}
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
*** '''about:support ''' has a patch pending review {{Bug|1222818}}
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.
** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. We can check it in and allow users to enable it for testing, then hope it'll be ready when trunk hits release. Since the strings are in already, we are flexible.
*** At least SeaMonkey trunk is built with an NSS version supporting TLS 1.3, <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being.
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 17 new, 5 fixed, 9 triaged.
* medium triaging effort, very low number of new bugs files.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 70 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features.
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now.
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.

* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official" ?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====

Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|1240798}} Copy default profile files to new profiles since Bug 1234012 stopped doing. Needs a toolkit patch. '''This is ready but any volunteers to take this part thru Mozilla review are welcome'''. Don't have any experience with try etc. and not much time right now. See bug.
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed Firefox {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46 and 47.
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.45 to 2.47 unusable. Location bar does not change.
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey.
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to Seamonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. Needs feedback.
* {{Bug|1282286}} Error Console has been replaced by Browser Console. Fork works.
* {{Bug|1285798}} Use favicon-service by default in Seamonkey.
* {{Bug|1273298}} Add-ons are disabled on trunk builds (according to irc conversation might be fixed after setting the defines for the build)
* {{Bug|1286286}} Update Suite installer for VS2015.

Working on:

* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.

Titbits:
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet. No time no progress.
* Seamonkey compiles fine with VS2015 Update 3

Other things on my mind:
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)

==== IanN ====
==== InvisibleSmiley ====
==== KaiRo ====
==== mcsmurf ====
==== Misak ====
==== Mnyromyr ====
==== Neil ====
==== Px ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Pushed to comm-central/aurora/beta/release:
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working
Ready to land:
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time
** string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}
** still somewhat uncertain when the checkbox should be exposed, activity is ongoing
Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1016577}} Update about:rights content for Geolocation service similar to Toolkit {{bug|514817}}
* {{Bug|494424}} Update help for geolocation
* {{Bug|1286703}} On reply to a own sent email the original sender identity is not chosen if other than the account default identity
** ports Thunderbird {{bug|903390}} to SeaMonkey (MailNews part landed with that bug)
** also fixes issue from {{bug|1265534}} when switching signatures in Paragraph mode
Filed:
* {{Bug|1287289}} Add checkboxes to open the data manager and the addon manager in standalone windows instead of a browser tab
** follow-up to {{Bug|1255354}} adding the backend and decoupling this from Link Behavior
Performing ui-review:
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== sgautherie ====
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-07-05

2016-07-03T19:32:08Z

Tonymec: /* Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking */ HTML Validator

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=5&month=7&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 5 July, 2016, 12:00 UTC]
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing.
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. There just aren't enough people to go around. We probably need to reduce the number of areas or group them together.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===
* frg and Rainer_Bielefeld have offered to help KaiRo with the de locale translation.

Routine reports:
* Notes:
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages.
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
** Various Bugs open for building OSX and Linux.
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed.
*** Linux64 Nightly: busted due to {{bug|1275215}}
*** Linux64 build: busted due to {{bug|1275218}}
** The team is unhappy with the current build bot situation but still commited to get it resolved as possible. It was suggested that the unofficial '''adriank''' builds might somehow be uploaded as official builds until the build bots are fixed. ''' adriank''' will speak with '''Callek''' if this is possible.
** [3rd July 2016]
*** [comm-central]
**** All platforms: busted due to {{bug|1281086}}, {{bug|1282927}}, {{bug|1283211}} and {{bug|1282286}}

*** [comm-aurora]
**** All platforms (Nightlies): busted due to the crash-symbols token needs updating. [Fixed]
*** [comm-beta, comm-release]:
**** Aside for the Windows-monkey-on-my-back {{bug|1271903}}, these trees haven't been infected by the bustage that has infected c-c and c-a (yet). [Give them time... I'm sure that can be 'fixed'.]
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.

==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* Nothing new here


=== Release Train ===
* Next release will be 2.44 (no ETA yet).
** {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.44. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox but will not be backed out there.
** {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** next merge is scheduled for August 1st
** mozilla-beta → mozilla-release for July 25th

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.

==== 2.40 current release ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]

====== 2.41 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey241&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey240&v2=2.41 fixed] (26)

====== 2.42 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.42 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey242&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.42 fixed] (21)

====== 2.43 skipped ======
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&v2=2.43 fixed] (10)

==== 2.44 planned next release ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.44 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey244&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey243&v2=2.44 fixed] (21)

==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
* Landed, but may need server-side changes to function correctly:
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL

* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):
** —

* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1192276}}
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
*** '''about:support ''' has a patch pending review {{Bug|1222818}}
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.
** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. We can check it in and allow users to enable it for testing, then hope it'll be ready when trunk hits release. Since the strings are in already, we are flexible.
*** At least SeaMonkey trunk is built with an NSS version supporting TLS 1.3, <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being.
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 12 new, 6 fixed, 2 triaged.
* low triaging effort, very low number of new bugs files.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 64 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features.
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now.
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.

* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official" ?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====

Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|1240798}} Copy default profile files to new profiles since Bug 1234012 stopped doing. Needs a toolkit patch. '''This is ready but any volunteers to take this part thru Mozilla review are welcome'''. Don't have any experience with try etc. and not much time right now. See bug.
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed Firefox {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46 and 47.
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.45 to 2.47 unusable. Location bar does not change.
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey.
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to Seamonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. Needs feedback.
* {{Bug|1282927}} Port bug 1221730 and bug 1269162 to Seamonkeys package-manifest.in

Working on:

* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.
* {{Bug|1282286}} Error Console has been replaced by Browser Console. Working on a fork because I prefer to have it around as long as possible.

Titbits:
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet. No time no progress.
* Seamonkey compiles fine with VS2015 Update 3

Other things on my mind:
* Please lets do something about the infrastructure. This su*cks!
* Hmm did I mention that something needs to be done about the infrastructure. This still su*cks!
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)

==== IanN ====
==== InvisibleSmiley ====
==== KaiRo ====
==== mcsmurf ====
==== Misak ====
==== Mnyromyr ====
==== Neil ====
==== Px ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Pushed to comm-central:
* {{Bug|1275679}} Add option to the HTTP Networking preferences to disable Lightning user-agent addition
** counterpart of the Firefox checkbox now that Lightning is bundled by default
Ready to land:
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time
** string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}
** still somewhat uncertain when the checkbox should be exposed, activity is ongoing
Performing ui-review:
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles
Preliminary patches:
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== sgautherie ====
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
* —

SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-21

2016-06-20T11:42:32Z

Tonymec: /* Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree */

[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=6&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 21 June, 2016, 12:00 UTC]
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing.
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===

Routine reports:
* Notes:
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. ''Ratty''' has approved a patch which will update the builders to vs2015U2 so maybe there can be some progress seen soon.
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
** Various Bugs open for building OSX and Linux.
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed.
*** Linux64 Nightly: busted due to {{bug|1275215}}
*** Linux64 build: busted due to {{bug|1275218}}
** The team is unhappy with the current build bot situation but still commited to get it resolved as possible. It was suggested that the unofficial '''adriank''' builds might somehow be uploaded as official builds until the build bots are fixed. ''' adriank''' will speak with '''ewong''' if this is possible.
* [20th June 2016]
** [comm-central]
*** After merge day, "tinderbox-builds" of 2.47a1 were still being published, but no more so after build ID 20160616123604 for Linux64 and "Linux" (32), and 20160616000806 for "macosx64" (presumably 32/64 "universal" builds). Still nothing on win32 for 2.46a1 and 2.47a1 for other reasons.
** [comm-aurora]
*** Still no 2.46a2 nightlies. Tinderbox-builds are produced irregularly: for both Linuxes there were none on June 19 but there are on the 20th; Mac has the opposite condition.
* [7th June 2016]
** [comm-central & comm-aurora]
*** Yesterday was merge day. The trunk is thus now at SeaMonkey 2.47a1 (Gecko 50.0a1).
*** Currently no nightly builds show up. '''ewong''' checks what is wrong.
*** Location bar and Back/Forward buttons broken because of {{bug|1272401}}. '''Ratty''' is reviewing the patch.
*** {{bug|1270848}} - Back and Forward buttons unavailable may be unrelated to {{bug|1272401}}.
** [comm-beta]
*** Location bar and Back/Forward buttons broken because of {{bug|1272401}}.
*** {{bug|1270848}} - Back and Forward buttons unavailable may be unrelated to {{bug|1272401}}.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.

==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* Nothing new here


=== Release Train ===
* Next release will be 2.44 (no ETA yet). 2.43 will be skipped also.
* {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.44. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox but will not be backed out there.
* {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.
* Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.
* comm-beta is back on the regular track with TB 47.0b1 having been tagged.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/] This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.

==== 2.40 current release ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]

==== 2.41 skipped ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey241&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey240&v2=2.41 fixed] (26)

==== 2.42 skipped ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.42 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey242&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.42 fixed] (21)

==== 2.43 skipped ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&v2=2.43 fixed] (10)

==== 2.44 planned next release ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.44 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey244&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey243&v2=2.44 fixed] (19)

==== 2.Next ====
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
* Stalled. Needs a kick.
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
* In progress.
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL

* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):
** —

* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.
** We've picked up he default for <tt>security.tls.version.min</tt> from Mozilla Core, but <tt>security.tls.version.fallback-limit</tt> is new. <s>So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI ({{Bug|1123673}})</s> '''WONTFIX'''.
*** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'

=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 29 new, 10 fixed, 9 triaged.
* low triaging effort, larger than average number of new bugs files.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 67 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features.
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now.
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.

* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official" ?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.'''

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Aqualon ====
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====

Waiting for review or feedback:
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added.
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed Firefox {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46 and 47.
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.45 and 2.46 unusable. url bar does not change.
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey.
* {{Bug|1278633}} about:performance not working in Seamonkey.
* {{Bug|1279206}} Password icons.

Working on:
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.

Titbits:
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.

Other things on my mind:
* Please lets do something about the infrastructure. This su*cks!
* Seamonkey compiles fine with VS2015 Update 3 RC. Update 3 uses a new optimizer per default which so far doesn't seem to cause any visible problems in daily browsing.
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)

==== IanN ====
==== InvisibleSmiley ====
==== KaiRo ====
==== mcsmurf ====
==== Misak ====
==== Mnyromyr ====
==== Neil ====
==== Px ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Pushed to comm-central:
* {{Bug|1280058}} Warning for destructive retention settings for POP and IMAP accounts shouldn't be shown for Local Folders ''(MailNews)''
* {{Bug|1275941}} Trim white-space characters from calendar.useragent.extra to avoid redundant spaces in the user-agent string ''(Calendar)''
Waiting for reviews:
* {{Bug|1275679}} Add option to the HTTP Networking preferences to disable Lightning user-agent addition
** counterpart of the Firefox checkbox now that Lightning is bundled by default
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition and allow Paragraph mode as default
** adopts new "compose HTML in Paragraph mode" feature from {{bug|330891}} ''without'' making it the default
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time
** string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}
Preliminary patches:
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey
Driving:
* {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
** patch by rstrong, adapted from Firefox patch in {{bug|1271761}}
** waiting for a green light from ewong to push to all approved channels
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].

==== sgautherie ====
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====

=== Any other business? ===
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