https://wiki.mozilla.org/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Philip+Chee&feedformat=atomMozillaWiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T01:02:43ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.27.4https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-02-07&diff=1162100SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-02-072017-02-07T13:30:31Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree */</p>
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
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* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=2&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 February, 2017, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
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== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
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=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
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'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** In light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], Our concensus is that we will release 2.49.x off 52 ESR.<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?<br />
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'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Special agenda from the last meeting (for reference) ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
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==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
''Ratty screwed up and didn't update the 2017-01-10 meeting with the notes. So here they are again. sumimasen, sumimasen, honto ni sumimasen.''<br />
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Benefits for 2.49ESR as opposed to whatever is comm-release:<br />
* ESR will get security fixes for 12 months.<br />
* After that we can cherry-pick and backport stuff. FRG thinks that will give us 18+ months on ESR-49.<br />
* We want to keep XP/Vista support, plug-in support other than Flash, full themes and XUL overlay extensions for a bit longer.<br />
* It'll give us some breathing space. We can even innovate and do some feature work. We could selectively back port feature work.<br />
* But no string changes would be allowed on ESR.<br />
** [Ratty] The way Thunderbird does releases on ESR and get new string changes is to do releases on comm-beta and then copy the new strings to their ESR-L10n.<br />
* [Callek] I agree it gives some more breathing room around a release train, but as Thunderbird has noticed, doing it that way still means we need beta's, because we need to work with and track changes that are necessary for future, otherwise we're in a boat of "hey there was 100k changesets between this working esr and this broken one, what.<br />
* [Ratty] For me personally the breaking point is removal of support for XUL extensions and "Full Themes". At this point I'm going to switch my focus to ESR [FRG] The same.<br />
* '''Build System'''<br />
** Basically we need a build system that is simple but allows lets us have localised extensions.<br />
** [IanN] In an ideal world we would like to merge mozilla-ESR into comm-ESR so we have a unified repository.<br />
** This would among other things, simplify the build process,<br />
** '''jcranmer''' has been doing some testing in the Cypress twig repository but that work has stalled since jcranmer lost interest.<br />
** [FRG] Whatever is decided should be decided with TB together. I don't think we will be able to do it alone.<br />
** Will the build system we use depend on whether we join forces with TB? TB will continue to use buildbot, so the question whether we adapt to their buildbot configuration or they adapt to us.<br />
** It would it be a good idea that we come up with a basic plan of what infra we need and finalize the structure and then let Callek have a looksee?<br />
* '''Ratty''' is prepared to fork out some cash to get some independent infrastructure working.<br />
* Q: what TB are going to do about infrastructure. [Ratty] They have hired a systems architect to do the planning for their new infrastructure.<br />
* One issue that ewong is concerned about. since a lot of our current infra interact with moco-internal stuff (api tooltool and the upload servers to name a few).<br />
* We need to be able to upload those nightlies to stage (archive.m.o) and the symbol server. And eventually we'll need to be able to upload data to "Balrog" (the update server) which we'd currently need to upload that data to our own update server.<br />
** So we either ask them to whitelist those external ips or we duplicate the kind of setup they have.<br />
* FRG asks if we could put a donation page into the SeaMonkey 2.48 first start page. Instead of the regular hello new release page we could redirect to another page on seamonkey-project.org.<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* [7th February 2017]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1334779}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
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* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}} and fixed.<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}}.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works ({{Bug|1265881}}).<br />
* '''2.48 beta is in preparation''' ({{bug|1328886}}, {{bug|1336310}}).<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds.<br />
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
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* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
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* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges completed January 23rd (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged January 16th), trunk now on SM '''2.51'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.<br />
** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
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** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)<br />
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===== 2.47 skipped =====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)<br />
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==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (21)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.<br />
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
** Currently '''FRG''' fixes breakages faster than we can report them in our fortnightly meetings ;)<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.<br />
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 11 new, 3 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 45 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
'''Working on'''<br />
* {{bug|1254401}} - [Tracking Bug] Migrate SeaMonkey off aus2 to balrog.<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi. Need to do a followup for separate calendar dupes.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works.<br />
* {{Bug|1331203}} Port Bug 1243643 - ["Save Image As..." Not working] to SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1332899}} Port Bug 1329926 and remove getURIForKeyword API from SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1334780}} Session restore only shows blank page instead of contents for page with URL correctly shown in location bar.<br />
* {{Bug|1334910}} Make SeaMonkey support moz://a.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** Move related items to a new Appearance &rarr; Media prefpane<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
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My mother she is working, she is working very hard<br><br />
But every time she looks for me I'm sleeping in the yard.<br><br />
My mother thinks I'm lazy, and maybe she is right:<br><br />
I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA is soon enough for me.</div><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-02-07&diff=1162099SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-02-072017-02-07T13:15:27Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Action Items */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=2&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 February, 2017, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** In light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], Our concensus is that we will release 2.49.x off 52 ESR.<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Special agenda from the last meeting (for reference) ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
<br />
==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
''Ratty screwed up and didn't update the 2017-01-10 meeting with the notes. So here they are again. sumimasen, sumimasen, honto ni sumimasen.''<br />
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Benefits for 2.49ESR as opposed to whatever is comm-release:<br />
* ESR will get security fixes for 12 months.<br />
* After that we can cherry-pick and backport stuff. FRG thinks that will give us 18+ months on ESR-49.<br />
* We want to keep XP/Vista support, plug-in support other than Flash, full themes and XUL overlay extensions for a bit longer.<br />
* It'll give us some breathing space. We can even innovate and do some feature work. We could selectively back port feature work.<br />
* But no string changes would be allowed on ESR.<br />
** [Ratty] The way Thunderbird does releases on ESR and get new string changes is to do releases on comm-beta and then copy the new strings to their ESR-L10n.<br />
* [Callek] I agree it gives some more breathing room around a release train, but as Thunderbird has noticed, doing it that way still means we need beta's, because we need to work with and track changes that are necessary for future, otherwise we're in a boat of "hey there was 100k changesets between this working esr and this broken one, what.<br />
* [Ratty] For me personally the breaking point is removal of support for XUL extensions and "Full Themes". At this point I'm going to switch my focus to ESR [FRG] The same.<br />
* '''Build System'''<br />
** Basically we need a build system that is simple but allows lets us have localised extensions.<br />
** [IanN] In an ideal world we would like to merge mozilla-ESR into comm-ESR so we have a unified repository.<br />
** This would among other things, simplify the build process,<br />
** '''jcranmer''' has been doing some testing in the Cypress twig repository but that work has stalled since jcranmer lost interest.<br />
** [FRG] Whatever is decided should be decided with TB together. I don't think we will be able to do it alone.<br />
** Will the build system we use depend on whether we join forces with TB? TB will continue to use buildbot, so the question whether we adapt to their buildbot configuration or they adapt to us.<br />
** It would it be a good idea that we come up with a basic plan of what infra we need and finalize the structure and then let Callek have a looksee?<br />
* '''Ratty''' is prepared to fork out some cash to get some independent infrastructure working.<br />
* Q: what TB are going to do about infrastructure. [Ratty] They have hired a systems architect to do the planning for their new infrastructure.<br />
* One issue that ewong is concerned about. since a lot of our current infra interact with moco-internal stuff (api tooltool and the upload servers to name a few).<br />
* We need to be able to upload those nightlies to stage (archive.m.o) and the symbol server. And eventually we'll need to be able to upload data to "Balrog" (the update server) which we'd currently need to upload that data to our own update server.<br />
** So we either ask them to whitelist those external ips or we duplicate the kind of setup they have.<br />
* FRG asks if we could put a donation page into the SeaMonkey 2.48 first start page. Instead of the regular hello new release page we could redirect to another page on seamonkey-project.org.<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* [7th February 2017]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1334779}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}} and fixed.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}}.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works ({{Bug|1265881}}).<br />
* '''2.48 beta is in preparation''' ({{bug|1328886}}, {{bug|1336310}}).<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds.<br />
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
<br />
* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges completed January 23rd (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged January 16th), trunk now on SM '''2.51'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.<br />
** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)<br />
<br />
===== 2.47 skipped =====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)<br />
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==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (21)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.<br />
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
** Currently '''FRG''' fixes breakages faster than we can report them in our fortnightly meetings ;)<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.<br />
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 11 new, 3 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 45 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
'''Working on'''<br />
* {{bug|1254401}} - [Tracking Bug] Migrate SeaMonkey off aus2 to balrog.<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi. Need to do a followup for separate calendar dupes.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works.<br />
* {{Bug|1331203}} Port Bug 1243643 - ["Save Image As..." Not working] to SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1332899}} Port Bug 1329926 and remove getURIForKeyword API from SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1334780}} Session restore only shows blank page instead of contents for page with URL correctly shown in location bar.<br />
* {{Bug|1334910}} Make SeaMonkey support moz://a.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** Move related items to a new Appearance &rarr; Media prefpane<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
<div style="font-family: monospace; font-size: smaller; font-style: italic; margin-left: 0.75in"><br />
My mother she is working, she is working very hard<br><br />
But every time she looks for me I'm sleeping in the yard.<br><br />
My mother thinks I'm lazy, and maybe she is right:<br><br />
I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA is soon enough for me.</div><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-02-07&diff=1162097SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-02-072017-02-07T13:01:27Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Action Items */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=2&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 February, 2017, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** In light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], Our concensus is that we will release 2.49.x off 52 ESR.<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Special agenda from the last meeting (for reference) ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
<br />
==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
''Ratty screwed up and didn't update the 2017-01-10 meeting with the notes. So here they are again. sumimasen, sumimasen, honto ni sumimasen.''<br />
<br />
Benefits for 2.49ESR as opposed to whatever is comm-release:<br />
* ESR will get security fixes for 12 months.<br />
* After that we can cherry-pick and backport stuff. FRG thinks that will give us 18+ months on ESR-49.<br />
* We want to keep XP/Vista support, plug-in support other than Flash, full themes and XUL overlay extensions for a bit longer.<br />
* It'll give us some breathing space. We can even innovate and do some feature work. We could selectively back port feature work.<br />
* But no string changes would be allowed on ESR.<br />
** [Ratty] The way Thunderbird does releases on ESR and get new string changes is to do releases on comm-beta and then copy the new strings to their ESR-L10n.<br />
* [Callek] I agree it gives some more breathing room around a release train, but as Thunderbird has noticed, doing it that way still means we need beta's, because we need to work with and track changes that are necessary for future, otherwise we're in a boat of "hey there was 100k changesets between this working esr and this broken one, what.<br />
* [Ratty] For me personally the breaking point is removal of support for XUL extensions and "Full Themes". At this point I'm going to switch my focus to ESR [FRG] The same.<br />
* '''Build System'''<br />
** Basically we need a build system that is simple but allows lets us have localised extensions.<br />
** [IanN] In an ideal world we would like to merge mozilla-ESR into comm-ESR so we have a unified repository.<br />
** This would among other things, simplify the build process,<br />
** '''jcranmer''' has been doing some testing in the Cypress twig repository but that work has stalled since jcranmer lost interest.<br />
** [FRG] Whatever is decided should be decided with TB together. I don't think we will be able to do it alone.<br />
** Will the build system we use depend on whether we join forces with TB? TB will continue to use buildbot, so the question whether we adapt to their buildbot configuration or they adapt to us.<br />
** It would it be a good idea that we come up with a basic plan of what infra we need and finalize the structure and then let Callek have a looksee?<br />
* '''Ratty''' is prepared to fork out some cash to get some independent infrastructure working.<br />
* Q: what TB are going to do about infrastructure. [Ratty] They have hired a systems architect to do the planning for their new infrastructure.<br />
* One issue that ewong is concerned about. since a lot of our current infra interact with moco-internal stuff (api tooltool and the upload servers to name a few).<br />
* We need to be able to upload those nightlies to stage (archive.m.o) and the symbol server. And eventually we'll need to be able to upload data to "Balrog" (the update server) which we'd currently need to upload that data to our own update server.<br />
** So we either ask them to whitelist those external ips or we duplicate the kind of setup they have.<br />
* FRG asks if we could put a donation page into the SeaMonkey 2.48 first start page. Instead of the regular hello new release page we could redirect to another page on seamonkey-project.org.<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* [7th February 2017]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1334779}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}} and fixed.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}}.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works ({{Bug|1265881}}).<br />
* '''2.48 beta is in preparation''' ({{bug|1328886}}, {{bug|1336310}}).<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds.<br />
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
<br />
* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges completed January 23rd (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged January 16th), trunk now on SM '''2.51'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.<br />
** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)<br />
<br />
===== 2.47 skipped =====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)<br />
<br />
==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (21)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.<br />
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
** Currently '''FRG''' fixes breakages faster than we can report them in our fortnightly meetings ;)<br />
** &mdash;<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.<br />
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 11 new, 3 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 45 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
'''Working on'''<br />
* {{bug|1254401}} - [Tracking Bug] Migrate SeaMonkey off aus2 to balrog.<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi. Need to do a followup for separate calendar dupes.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works.<br />
* {{Bug|1331203}} Port Bug 1243643 - ["Save Image As..." Not working] to SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1332899}} Port Bug 1329926 and remove getURIForKeyword API from SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1334780}} Session restore only shows blank page instead of contents for page with URL correctly shown in location bar.<br />
* {{Bug|1334910}} Make SeaMonkey support moz://a.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** Move related items to a new Appearance &rarr; Media prefpane<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-02-07&diff=1162096SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-02-072017-02-07T12:59:48Z<p>Philip Chee: </p>
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=7&month=2&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 7 February, 2017, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Special agenda from the last meeting (for reference) ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
<br />
==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
''Ratty screwed up and didn't update the 2017-01-10 meeting with the notes. So here they are again. sumimasen, sumimasen, honto ni sumimasen.''<br />
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Benefits for 2.49ESR as opposed to whatever is comm-release:<br />
* ESR will get security fixes for 12 months.<br />
* After that we can cherry-pick and backport stuff. FRG thinks that will give us 18+ months on ESR-49.<br />
* We want to keep XP/Vista support, plug-in support other than Flash, full themes and XUL overlay extensions for a bit longer.<br />
* It'll give us some breathing space. We can even innovate and do some feature work. We could selectively back port feature work.<br />
* But no string changes would be allowed on ESR.<br />
** [Ratty] The way Thunderbird does releases on ESR and get new string changes is to do releases on comm-beta and then copy the new strings to their ESR-L10n.<br />
* [Callek] I agree it gives some more breathing room around a release train, but as Thunderbird has noticed, doing it that way still means we need beta's, because we need to work with and track changes that are necessary for future, otherwise we're in a boat of "hey there was 100k changesets between this working esr and this broken one, what.<br />
* [Ratty] For me personally the breaking point is removal of support for XUL extensions and "Full Themes". At this point I'm going to switch my focus to ESR [FRG] The same.<br />
* '''Build System'''<br />
** Basically we need a build system that is simple but allows lets us have localised extensions.<br />
** [IanN] In an ideal world we would like to merge mozilla-ESR into comm-ESR so we have a unified repository.<br />
** This would among other things, simplify the build process,<br />
** '''jcranmer''' has been doing some testing in the Cypress twig repository but that work has stalled since jcranmer lost interest.<br />
** [FRG] Whatever is decided should be decided with TB together. I don't think we will be able to do it alone.<br />
** Will the build system we use depend on whether we join forces with TB? TB will continue to use buildbot, so the question whether we adapt to their buildbot configuration or they adapt to us.<br />
** It would it be a good idea that we come up with a basic plan of what infra we need and finalize the structure and then let Callek have a looksee?<br />
* '''Ratty''' is prepared to fork out some cash to get some independent infrastructure working.<br />
* Q: what TB are going to do about infrastructure. [Ratty] They have hired a systems architect to do the planning for their new infrastructure.<br />
* One issue that ewong is concerned about. since a lot of our current infra interact with moco-internal stuff (api tooltool and the upload servers to name a few).<br />
* We need to be able to upload those nightlies to stage (archive.m.o) and the symbol server. And eventually we'll need to be able to upload data to "Balrog" (the update server) which we'd currently need to upload that data to our own update server.<br />
** So we either ask them to whitelist those external ips or we duplicate the kind of setup they have.<br />
* FRG asks if we could put a donation page into the SeaMonkey 2.48 first start page. Instead of the regular hello new release page we could redirect to another page on seamonkey-project.org.<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* [7th February 2017]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1334779}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}} and fixed.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}}.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works ({{Bug|1265881}}).<br />
* '''2.48 beta is in preparation''' ({{bug|1328886}}, {{bug|1336310}}).<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds.<br />
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
<br />
* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges completed January 23rd (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged January 16th), trunk now on SM '''2.51'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.<br />
** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)<br />
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===== 2.47 skipped =====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)<br />
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==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (21)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.<br />
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
** Currently '''FRG''' fixes breakages faster than we can report them in our fortnightly meetings ;)<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.<br />
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 11 new, 3 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 45 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
'''Working on'''<br />
* {{bug|1254401}} - [Tracking Bug] Migrate SeaMonkey off aus2 to balrog.<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi. Need to do a followup for separate calendar dupes.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works.<br />
* {{Bug|1331203}} Port Bug 1243643 - ["Save Image As..." Not working] to SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1332899}} Port Bug 1329926 and remove getURIForKeyword API from SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1334780}} Session restore only shows blank page instead of contents for page with URL correctly shown in location bar.<br />
* {{Bug|1334910}} Make SeaMonkey support moz://a.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** Move related items to a new Appearance &rarr; Media prefpane<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
<div style="font-family: monospace; font-size: smaller; font-style: italic; margin-left: 0.75in"><br />
My mother she is working, she is working very hard<br><br />
But every time she looks for me I'm sleeping in the yard.<br><br />
My mother thinks I'm lazy, and maybe she is right:<br><br />
I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA is soon enough for me.</div><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-24&diff=1160758SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-242017-01-24T14:25:14Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Ratty */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 January, 2017, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Special agenda from the last meeting (for reference) ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
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==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
''Ratty screwed up and didn't update the 2017-01-10 meeting with the notes. So here they are again. sumimasen, sumimasen, honto ni sumimasen.''<br />
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Benefits for 2.49ESR as opposed to whatever is comm-release:<br />
* ESR will get security fixes for 12 months.<br />
* After that we can cherry-pick and backport stuff. FRG thinks that will give us 18+ months on ESR-49.<br />
* We want to keep XP/Vista support, plug-in support other than Flash, full themes and XUL overlay extensions for a bit longer.<br />
* It'll give us some breathing space. We can even innovate and do some feature work. We could selectively back port feature work.<br />
* But no string changes would be allowed on ESR.<br />
** [Ratty] The way Thunderbird does releases on ESR and get new string changes is to do releases on comm-beta and then copy the new strings to their ESR-L10n.<br />
* [Callek] I agree it gives some more breathing room around a release train, but as Thunderbird has noticed, doing it that way still means we need beta's, because we need to work with and track changes that are necessary for future, otherwise we're in a boat of "hey there was 100k changesets between this working esr and this broken one, what.<br />
* [Ratty] For me personally the breaking point is removal of support for XUL extensions and "Full Themes". At this point I'm going to switch my focus to ESR [FRG] The same.<br />
* '''Build System'''<br />
** Basically we need a build system that is simple but allows lets us have localised extensions.<br />
** [IanN] In an ideal world we would like to merge mozilla-ESR into comm-ESR so we have a unified repository.<br />
** This would among other things, simplify the build process,<br />
** '''jcranmer''' has been doing some testing in the Cypress twig repository but that work has stalled since jcranmer lost interest.<br />
** [FRG] Whatever is decided should be decided with TB together. I don't think we will be able to do it alone.<br />
** Will the build system we use depend on whether we join forces with TB? TB will continue to use buildbot, so the question whether we adapt to their buildbot configuration or they adapt to us.<br />
** It would it be a good idea that we come up with a basic plan of what infra we need and finalize the structure and then let Callek have a looksee?<br />
* '''Ratty''' is prepared to fork out some cash to get some independent infrastructure working.<br />
* Q: what TB are going to do about infrastructure. [Ratty] They have hired a systems architect to do the planning for their new infrastructure.<br />
* One issue that ewong is concerned about. since a lot of our current infra interact with moco-internal stuff (api tooltool and the upload servers to name a few).<br />
* We need to be able to upload those nightlies to stage (archive.m.o) and the symbol server. And eventually we'll need to be able to upload data to "Balrog" (the update server) which we'd currently need to upload that data to our own update server.<br />
** So we either ask them to whitelist those external ips or we duplicate the kind of setup they have.<br />
* FRG asks if we could put a donation page into the SeaMonkey 2.48 first start page. Instead of the regular hello new release page we could redirect to another page on seamonkey-project.org.<br />
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=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
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'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
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* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}}.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works ({{Bug|1265881}}).<br />
* '''2.48 beta is in preparation''' ({{bug|1328886}}).<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds.<br />
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
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* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
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* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges completed January 23rd (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged January 16th), trunk now on SM '''2.51'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.<br />
** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)<br />
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===== 2.47 skipped =====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)<br />
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==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (19)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.<br />
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
** Currently '''FRG''' fixes breakages faster than we can report them in our fortnightly meetings ;)<br />
** &mdash;<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.<br />
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 29 new, 24 fixed, 17 triaged.<br />
* moderately high triaging effort, back to average number of new bugs filed after the initial spike from the 2.46 release.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 40 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Waiting for '''Ratty''' to give feedback.<br />
<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1331203}} Port Bug 1243643 - ["Save Image As..." Not working] to SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1332899}} Port Bug 1329926 and remove getURIForKeyword API from SeaMonkey.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* l10n de localization (mostly stuff wih didn't make it into 2.48 and 2.49 yet). <br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1265881}} Location Bar Internet Search does not respect ˋEdit → Preferences → Browser → Internet Searchˊ<br />
* {{Bug|1326195}} [sidebars] "Get more sidebars" is not working.<br />
* {{Bug|1328557}} [SeaMonkey] Searchbar regression: No separator between datalist and form history entries.<br />
* {{Bug|1328897}} Update Google Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1328920}} Update Yahoo Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1329186}} (1) Use asyncOpen2() and (2) change nsILoadInfo.SEC_NORMAL to SEC_ALLOW_CROSS_ORIGIN_DATA_IS_NULL when using a SystemPrincipal.<br />
* {{Bug|1329401}} Rollup updates for FeedConverter.js sync with Firefox as at [20161231].<br />
In Progress/waiting for review:<br />
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1234651}} ʎʇıןıqɐɹǝuןnʌ SSX pǝɹoʇS.<br />
Backburner:<br />
* {{Bug|1325982}} Reimplement keyword.URL as keyword.engine [SeaMonkey] Mozilla/core.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** Move related items to a new Appearance &rarr; Media prefpane<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-24&diff=1160757SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-242017-01-24T14:22:26Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Ratty */</p>
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 January, 2017, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
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== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
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=== Special agenda from the last meeting (for reference) ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
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==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
''Ratty screwed up and didn't update the 2017-01-10 meeting with the notes. So here they are again. sumimasen, sumimasen, honto ni sumimasen.''<br />
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Benefits for 2.49ESR as opposed to whatever is comm-release:<br />
* ESR will get security fixes for 12 months.<br />
* After that we can cherry-pick and backport stuff. FRG thinks that will give us 18+ months on ESR-49.<br />
* We want to keep XP/Vista support, plug-in support other than Flash, full themes and XUL overlay extensions for a bit longer.<br />
* It'll give us some breathing space. We can even innovate and do some feature work. We could selectively back port feature work.<br />
* But no string changes would be allowed on ESR.<br />
** [Ratty] The way Thunderbird does releases on ESR and get new string changes is to do releases on comm-beta and then copy the new strings to their ESR-L10n.<br />
* [Callek] I agree it gives some more breathing room around a release train, but as Thunderbird has noticed, doing it that way still means we need beta's, because we need to work with and track changes that are necessary for future, otherwise we're in a boat of "hey there was 100k changesets between this working esr and this broken one, what.<br />
* [Ratty] For me personally the breaking point is removal of support for XUL extensions and "Full Themes". At this point I'm going to switch my focus to ESR [FRG] The same.<br />
* '''Build System'''<br />
** Basically we need a build system that is simple but allows lets us have localised extensions.<br />
** [IanN] In an ideal world we would like to merge mozilla-ESR into comm-ESR so we have a unified repository.<br />
** This would among other things, simplify the build process,<br />
** '''jcranmer''' has been doing some testing in the Cypress twig repository but that work has stalled since jcranmer lost interest.<br />
** [FRG] Whatever is decided should be decided with TB together. I don't think we will be able to do it alone.<br />
** Will the build system we use depend on whether we join forces with TB? TB will continue to use buildbot, so the question whether we adapt to their buildbot configuration or they adapt to us.<br />
** It would it be a good idea that we come up with a basic plan of what infra we need and finalize the structure and then let Callek have a looksee?<br />
* '''Ratty''' is prepared to fork out some cash to get some independent infrastructure working.<br />
* Q: what TB are going to do about infrastructure. [Ratty] They have hired a systems architect to do the planning for their new infrastructure.<br />
* One issue that ewong is concerned about. since a lot of our current infra interact with moco-internal stuff (api tooltool and the upload servers to name a few).<br />
* We need to be able to upload those nightlies to stage (archive.m.o) and the symbol server. And eventually we'll need to be able to upload data to "Balrog" (the update server) which we'd currently need to upload that data to our own update server.<br />
** So we either ask them to whitelist those external ips or we duplicate the kind of setup they have.<br />
* FRG asks if we could put a donation page into the SeaMonkey 2.48 first start page. Instead of the regular hello new release page we could redirect to another page on seamonkey-project.org.<br />
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=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}}.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works ({{Bug|1265881}}).<br />
* '''2.48 beta is in preparation''' ({{bug|1328886}}).<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds.<br />
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
<br />
* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges completed January 23rd (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged January 16th), trunk now on SM '''2.51'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.<br />
** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)<br />
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===== 2.47 skipped =====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)<br />
<br />
==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (19)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.<br />
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
** Currently '''FRG''' fixes breakages faster than we can report them in our fortnightly meetings ;)<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.<br />
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 29 new, 24 fixed, 17 triaged.<br />
* moderately high triaging effort, back to average number of new bugs filed after the initial spike from the 2.46 release.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 40 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Waiting for '''Ratty''' to give feedback.<br />
<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1331203}} Port Bug 1243643 - ["Save Image As..." Not working] to SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1332899}} Port Bug 1329926 and remove getURIForKeyword API from SeaMonkey.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* l10n de localization (mostly stuff wih didn't make it into 2.48 and 2.49 yet). <br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1265881}} Location Bar Internet Search does not respect ˋEdit → Preferences → Browser → Internet Searchˊ<br />
* {{Bug|1326195}} [sidebars] "Get more sidebars" is not working.<br />
* {{Bug|1328557}} [SeaMonkey] Searchbar regression: No separator between datalist and form history entries.<br />
* {{Bug|1328897}} Update Google Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1328920}} Update Yahoo Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1329186}} (1) Use asyncOpen2() and (2) change nsILoadInfo.SEC_NORMAL to SEC_ALLOW_CROSS_ORIGIN_DATA_IS_NULL when using a SystemPrincipal.<br />
* {{Bug| 1329401}} Rollup updates for FeedConverter.js sync with Firefox as at [20161231].<br />
In Progress/waiting for review:<br />
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1234651}} ʎʇıןıqɐɹǝuןnʌ SSX pǝɹoʇS.<br />
Backburner:<br />
* {{Bug|1325982}} Reimplement keyword.URL as keyword.engine [SeaMonkey] Mozilla/core.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** Move related items to a new Appearance &rarr; Media prefpane<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<!-- scratchpad for next meeting, 2016-12-20. Please cut & paste, then uncomment.<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
<div style="font-family: monospace; font-size: smaller; font-style: italic; margin-left: 0.75in"><br />
My mother she is working, she is working very hard<br><br />
But every time she looks for me I'm sleeping in the yard.<br><br />
My mother thinks I'm lazy, and maybe she is right:<br><br />
I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA is soon enough for me.</div><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-24&diff=1160753SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-242017-01-24T13:24:37Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Discussion */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 January, 2017, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Special agenda from the last meeting (for reference) ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
<br />
==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
''Ratty screwed up and didn't update the 2017-01-10 meeting with the notes. So here they are again. sumimasen, sumimasen, honto ni sumimasen.''<br />
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Benefits for 2.49ESR as opposed to whatever is comm-release:<br />
* ESR will get security fixes for 12 months.<br />
* After that we can cherry-pick and backport stuff. FRG thinks that will give us 18+ months on ESR-49.<br />
* We want to keep XP/Vista support, plug-in support other than Flash, full themes and XUL overlay extensions for a bit longer.<br />
* It'll give us some breathing space. We can even innovate and do some feature work. We could selectively back port feature work.<br />
* But no string changes would be allowed on ESR.<br />
** [Ratty] The way Thunderbird does releases on ESR and get new string changes is to do releases on comm-beta and then copy the new strings to their ESR-L10n.<br />
* [Callek] I agree it gives some more breathing room around a release train, but as Thunderbird has noticed, doing it that way still means we need beta's, because we need to work with and track changes that are necessary for future, otherwise we're in a boat of "hey there was 100k changesets between this working esr and this broken one, what.<br />
* [Ratty] For me personally the breaking point is removal of support for XUL extensions and "Full Themes". At this point I'm going to switch my focus to ESR [FRG] The same.<br />
* '''Build System'''<br />
** Basically we need a build system that is simple but allows lets us have localised extensions.<br />
** [IanN] In an ideal world we would like to merge mozilla-ESR into comm-ESR so we have a unified repository.<br />
** This would among other things, simplify the build process,<br />
** '''jcranmer''' has been doing some testing in the Cypress twig repository but that work has stalled since jcranmer lost interest.<br />
** [FRG] Whatever is decided should be decided with TB together. I don't think we will be able to do it alone.<br />
** Will the build system we use depend on whether we join forces with TB? TB will continue to use buildbot, so the question whether we adapt to their buildbot configuration or they adapt to us.<br />
** It would it be a good idea that we come up with a basic plan of what infra we need and finalize the structure and then let Callek have a looksee?<br />
* '''Ratty''' is prepared to fork out some cash to get some independent infrastructure working.<br />
* Q: what TB are going to do about infrastructure. [Ratty] They have hired a systems architect to do the planning for their new infrastructure.<br />
* One issue that ewong is concerned about. since a lot of our current infra interact with moco-internal stuff (api tooltool and the upload servers to name a few).<br />
* We need to be able to upload those nightlies to stage (archive.m.o) and the symbol server. And eventually we'll need to be able to upload data to "Balrog" (the update server) which we'd currently need to upload that data to our own update server.<br />
** So we either ask them to whitelist those external ips or we duplicate the kind of setup they have.<br />
* FRG asks if we could put a donation page into the SeaMonkey 2.48 first start page. Instead of the regular hello new release page we could redirect to another page on seamonkey-project.org.<br />
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=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
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'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
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* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}}.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works ({{Bug|1265881}}).<br />
* '''2.48 beta is in preparation''' ({{bug|1328886}}).<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds.<br />
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
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* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
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* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges completed January 23rd (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged January 16th), trunk now on SM '''2.51'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.<br />
** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)<br />
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===== 2.47 skipped =====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)<br />
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==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (19)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.<br />
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
** Currently '''FRG''' fixes breakages faster than we can report them in our fortnightly meetings ;)<br />
** &mdash;<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.<br />
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 29 new, 24 fixed, 17 triaged.<br />
* moderately high triaging effort, back to average number of new bugs filed after the initial spike from the 2.46 release.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 40 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Waiting for '''Ratty''' to give feedback.<br />
<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1331203}} Port Bug 1243643 - ["Save Image As..." Not working] to SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1332899}} Port Bug 1329926 and remove getURIForKeyword API from SeaMonkey.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* l10n de localization (mostly stuff wih didn't make it into 2.48 and 2.49 yet). <br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug| 1265881}} Location Bar Internet Search does not respect ˋEdit → Preferences → Browser → Internet Searchˊ<br />
* {{Bug| 1326195}} [sidebars] "Get more sidebars" is not working.<br />
* {{Bug| 1328557}} [SeaMonkey] Searchbar regression: No separator between datalist and form history entries.<br />
* {{Bug| 1328897}} Update Google Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug| 1328920}} Update Yahoo Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug| 1329186}} (1) Use asyncOpen2() and (2) change nsILoadInfo.SEC_NORMAL to SEC_ALLOW_CROSS_ORIGIN_DATA_IS_NULL when using a SystemPrincipal.<br />
* {{Bug| 1329401}} Rollup updates for FeedConverter.js sync with Firefox as at [20161231].<br />
In Progress/waiting for review:<br />
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1234651}} ʎʇıןıqɐɹǝuןnʌ SSX pǝɹoʇS.<br />
Backburner:<br />
* {{Bug|1325982}} Reimplement keyword.URL as keyword.engine [SeaMonkey] Mozilla/core.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** Move related items to a new Appearance &rarr; Media prefpane<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-24&diff=1160748SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-242017-01-24T12:10:37Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Ratty */</p>
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 January, 2017, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
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== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
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=== Special agenda from the last meeting (for reference) ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
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==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
''Ratty screwed up and didn't update the 2017-01-10 meeting with the notes. So here they are again. sumimasen, sumimasen, honto ni sumimasen.''<br />
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Benefits for 2.49ESR as opposed to whatever is comm-release:<br />
* ESR will get security fixes for 12 months.<br />
* After that we can cherry-pick and backport stuff. FRG thinks that will give us 18+ months on ESR-49.<br />
* We want to keep XP/Vista support, plug-in support other than Flash, full themes and XUL overlay extensions for a bit longer.<br />
* It'll give us some breathing space. We can even innovate and do some feature work. We could selectively back port feature work.<br />
* But no string changes would be allowed on ESR.<br />
** [Ratty] The way Thunderbird does releases on ESR and get new string changes is to do releases on comm-beta and then copy the new strings to their ESR-L10n.<br />
* [Callek] I agree it gives some more breathing room around a release train, but as Thunderbird has noticed, doing it that way still means we need beta's, because we need to work with and track changes that are necessary for future, otherwise we're in a boat of "hey there was 100k changesets between this working esr and this broken one, what.<br />
* [Ratty] For me personally the breaking point is removal of support for XUL extensions and "Full Themes". At this point I'm going to switch my focus to ESR [FRG] The same.<br />
* '''Build System'''<br />
** Basically we need a build system that is simple but allows lets us have localised extensions.<br />
** [IanN] In an ideal world we would like to merge mozilla-ESR into comm-ESR so we have a unified repository.<br />
** This would among other things, simplify the build process,<br />
** '''jcranmer''' has been doing some testing in the Cypress twig repository but that work has stalled since jcranmer lost interest.<br />
** [FRG] Whatever is decided should be decided with TB together. I don't think we will be able to do it alone.<br />
** Will the build system we use depend on whether we join forces with TB? TB will continue to use buildbot, so the question whether we adapt to their buildbot configuration or they adapt to us.<br />
** It would it be a good idea that we come up with a basic plan of what infra we need and finalize the structure and then let Callek have a looksee?<br />
* '''Ratty''' is prepared to fork out some cash to get some independent infrastructure working.<br />
* Q: what TB are going to do about infrastructure. [Ratty] They have hired a systems architect to do the planning for their new infrastructure.<br />
* One issue that ewong is concerned about. since a lot of our current infra interact with moco-internal stuff (api tooltool and the upload servers to name a few).<br />
* We need to be able to upload those nightlies to stage (archive.m.o) and the symbol server. And eventually we'll need to be able to upload data to "Balrog" (the update server) which we'd currently need to upload that data to our own update server.<br />
** So we either ask them to whitelist those external ips or we duplicate the kind of setup they have.<br />
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** FRG asks if we could put a donation page into the SeaMonkey 2.48 first start page. Instead of the regular hello new release page we could redirect to another page on seamonkey-project.org.<br />
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=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}}.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works ({{Bug|1265881}}).<br />
* '''2.48 beta is in preparation''' ({{bug|1328886}}).<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds.<br />
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
<br />
* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges completed January 23rd (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged January 16th), trunk now on SM '''2.51'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.<br />
** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)<br />
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===== 2.47 skipped =====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)<br />
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==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (19)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.<br />
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
** Currently '''FRG''' fixes breakages faster than we can report them in our fortnightly meetings ;)<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.<br />
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 29 new, 24 fixed, 17 triaged.<br />
* moderately high triaging effort, back to average number of new bugs filed after the initial spike from the 2.46 release.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 40 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Waiting for '''Ratty''' to give feedback.<br />
<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1331203}} Port Bug 1243643 - ["Save Image As..." Not working] to SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1332899}} Port Bug 1329926 and remove getURIForKeyword API from SeaMonkey.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* l10n de localization (mostly stuff wih didn't make it into 2.48 and 2.49 yet). <br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug| 1265881}} Location Bar Internet Search does not respect ˋEdit → Preferences → Browser → Internet Searchˊ<br />
* {{Bug| 1326195}} [sidebars] "Get more sidebars" is not working.<br />
* {{Bug| 1328557}} [SeaMonkey] Searchbar regression: No separator between datalist and form history entries.<br />
* {{Bug| 1328897}} Update Google Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug| 1328920}} Update Yahoo Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug| 1329186}} (1) Use asyncOpen2() and (2) change nsILoadInfo.SEC_NORMAL to SEC_ALLOW_CROSS_ORIGIN_DATA_IS_NULL when using a SystemPrincipal.<br />
* {{Bug| 1329401}} Rollup updates for FeedConverter.js sync with Firefox as at [20161231].<br />
In Progress/waiting for review:<br />
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1234651}} ʎʇıןıqɐɹǝuןnʌ SSX pǝɹoʇS.<br />
Backburner:<br />
* {{Bug|1325982}} Reimplement keyword.URL as keyword.engine [SeaMonkey] Mozilla/core.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** Move related items to a new Appearance &rarr; Media prefpane<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<!-- scratchpad for next meeting, 2016-12-20. Please cut & paste, then uncomment.<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
<div style="font-family: monospace; font-size: smaller; font-style: italic; margin-left: 0.75in"><br />
My mother she is working, she is working very hard<br><br />
But every time she looks for me I'm sleeping in the yard.<br><br />
My mother thinks I'm lazy, and maybe she is right:<br><br />
I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA is soon enough for me.</div><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-24&diff=1160745SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-242017-01-24T11:43:24Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Feature List, Planning */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 January, 2017, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Special agenda from the last meeting (for reference) ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
<br />
==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
''Ratty screwed up and didn't update the 2017-01-10 meeting with the notes. So here they are again. sumimasen, sumimasen, honto ni sumimasen.''<br />
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Benefits for 2.49ESR as opposed to whatever is comm-release:<br />
* ESR will get security fixes for 12 months.<br />
* After that we can cherry-pick and backport stuff. FRG thinks that will give us 18+ months on ESR-49.<br />
* We want to keep XP/Vista support, plug-in support other than Flash, full themes and XUL overlay extensions for a bit longer.<br />
* It'll give us some breathing space. We can even innovate and do some feature work. We could selectively back port feature work.<br />
* But no string changes would be allowed on ESR.<br />
** [Ratty] The way Thunderbird does releases on ESR and get new string changes is to do releases on comm-beta and then copy the new strings to their ESR-L10n.<br />
* [Callek] I agree it gives some more breathing room around a release train, but as Thunderbird has noticed, doing it that way still means we need beta's, because we need to work with and track changes that are necessary for future, otherwise we're in a boat of "hey there was 100k changesets between this working esr and this broken one, what.<br />
* [Ratty] For me personally the breaking point is removal of support for XUL extensions and "Full Themes". At this point I'm going to switch my focus to ESR [FRG] The same.<br />
* '''Build System'''<br />
** Basically we need a build system that is simple but allows lets us have localised extensions.<br />
** [IanN] In an ideal world we would like to merge mozilla-ESR into comm-ESR so we have a unified repository.<br />
** This would among other things, simplify the build process,<br />
** '''jcranmer''' has been doing some testing in the Cypress twig repository but that work has stalled since jcranmer lost interest.<br />
** [FRG] Whatever is decided should be decided with TB together. I don't think we will be able to do it alone.<br />
** Will the build system we use depend on whether we join forces with TB? TB will continue to use buildbot, so the question whether we adapt to their buildbot configuration or they adapt to us.<br />
** It would it be a good idea that we come up with a basic plan of what infra we need and finalize the structure and then let Callek have a looksee?<br />
* '''Ratty''' is prepared to fork out some cash to get some independent infrastructure working.<br />
* Q: what TB are going to do about infrastructure. [Ratty] They have hired a systems architect to do the planning for their new infrastructure.<br />
* One issue that ewong is concerned about. since a lot of our current infra interact with moco-internal stuff (api tooltool and the upload servers to name a few).<br />
* We need to be able to upload those nightlies to stage (archive.m.o) and the symbol server. And eventually we'll need to be able to upload data to "Balrog" (the update server) which we'd currently need to upload that data to our own update server.<br />
** So we either ask them to whitelist those external ips or we duplicate the kind of setup they have.<br />
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** FRG asks if we could put a donation page into the SeaMonkey 2.48 first start page. Instead of the regular hello new release page we could redirect to another page on seamonkey-project.org.<br />
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=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
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'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
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* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}}.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works ({{Bug|1265881}}).<br />
* '''2.48 beta is in preparation''' ({{bug|1328886}}).<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds.<br />
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
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* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
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* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges completed January 23rd (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged January 16th), trunk now on SM '''2.51'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.<br />
** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)<br />
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===== 2.47 skipped =====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)<br />
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==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (19)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.<br />
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
** Currently '''FRG''' fixes breakages faster than we can report them in our fortnightly meetings ;)<br />
** &mdash;<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.<br />
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 29 new, 24 fixed, 17 triaged.<br />
* moderately high triaging effort, back to average number of new bugs filed after the initial spike from the 2.46 release.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 40 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Waiting for '''Ratty''' to give feedback.<br />
<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1331203}} Port Bug 1243643 - ["Save Image As..." Not working] to SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1332899}} Port Bug 1329926 and remove getURIForKeyword API from SeaMonkey.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* l10n de localization (mostly stuff wih didn't make it into 2.48 and 2.49 yet). <br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** Move related items to a new Appearance &rarr; Media prefpane<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
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I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-24&diff=1160744SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-242017-01-24T11:34:49Z<p>Philip Chee: /* 2.Next */</p>
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 January, 2017, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
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== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
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=== Special agenda from the last meeting (for reference) ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
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==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
''Ratty screwed up and didn't update the 2017-01-10 meeting with the notes. So here they are again. sumimasen, sumimasen, honto ni sumimasen.''<br />
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Benefits for 2.49ESR as opposed to whatever is comm-release:<br />
* ESR will get security fixes for 12 months.<br />
* After that we can cherry-pick and backport stuff. FRG thinks that will give us 18+ months on ESR-49.<br />
* We want to keep XP/Vista support, plug-in support other than Flash, full themes and XUL overlay extensions for a bit longer.<br />
* It'll give us some breathing space. We can even innovate and do some feature work. We could selectively back port feature work.<br />
* But no string changes would be allowed on ESR.<br />
** [Ratty] The way Thunderbird does releases on ESR and get new string changes is to do releases on comm-beta and then copy the new strings to their ESR-L10n.<br />
* [Callek] I agree it gives some more breathing room around a release train, but as Thunderbird has noticed, doing it that way still means we need beta's, because we need to work with and track changes that are necessary for future, otherwise we're in a boat of "hey there was 100k changesets between this working esr and this broken one, what.<br />
* [Ratty] For me personally the breaking point is removal of support for XUL extensions and "Full Themes". At this point I'm going to switch my focus to ESR [FRG] The same.<br />
* '''Build System'''<br />
** Basically we need a build system that is simple but allows lets us have localised extensions.<br />
** [IanN] In an ideal world we would like to merge mozilla-ESR into comm-ESR so we have a unified repository.<br />
** This would among other things, simplify the build process,<br />
** '''jcranmer''' has been doing some testing in the Cypress twig repository but that work has stalled since jcranmer lost interest.<br />
** [FRG] Whatever is decided should be decided with TB together. I don't think we will be able to do it alone.<br />
** Will the build system we use depend on whether we join forces with TB? TB will continue to use buildbot, so the question whether we adapt to their buildbot configuration or they adapt to us.<br />
** It would it be a good idea that we come up with a basic plan of what infra we need and finalize the structure and then let Callek have a looksee?<br />
* '''Ratty''' is prepared to fork out some cash to get some independent infrastructure working.<br />
* Q: what TB are going to do about infrastructure. [Ratty] They have hired a systems architect to do the planning for their new infrastructure.<br />
* One issue that ewong is concerned about. since a lot of our current infra interact with moco-internal stuff (api tooltool and the upload servers to name a few).<br />
* We need to be able to upload those nightlies to stage (archive.m.o) and the symbol server. And eventually we'll need to be able to upload data to "Balrog" (the update server) which we'd currently need to upload that data to our own update server.<br />
** So we either ask them to whitelist those external ips or we duplicate the kind of setup they have.<br />
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** FRG asks if we could put a donation page into the SeaMonkey 2.48 first start page. Instead of the regular hello new release page we could redirect to another page on seamonkey-project.org.<br />
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=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
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* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}}.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works ({{Bug|1265881}}).<br />
* '''2.48 beta is in preparation''' ({{bug|1328886}}).<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds.<br />
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
<br />
* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges completed January 23rd (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged January 16th), trunk now on SM '''2.51'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.<br />
** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)<br />
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===== 2.47 skipped =====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)<br />
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==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (19)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.<br />
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
** Currently '''FRG''' fixes breakages faster than we can report them in our fortnightly meetings ;)<br />
** &mdash;<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.<br />
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 29 new, 24 fixed, 17 triaged.<br />
* moderately high triaging effort, back to average number of new bugs filed after the initial spike from the 2.46 release.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 40 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Waiting for '''Ratty''' to give feedback.<br />
<br />
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Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1331203}} Port Bug 1243643 - ["Save Image As..." Not working] to SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1332899}} Port Bug 1329926 and remove getURIForKeyword API from SeaMonkey.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* l10n de localization (mostly stuff wih didn't make it into 2.48 and 2.49 yet). <br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
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Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
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<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** Move related items to a new Appearance &rarr; Media prefpane<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
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My mother she is working, she is working very hard<br><br />
But every time she looks for me I'm sleeping in the yard.<br><br />
My mother thinks I'm lazy, and maybe she is right:<br><br />
I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA is soon enough for me.</div><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-24&diff=1160743SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-242017-01-24T11:20:41Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking */</p>
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 January, 2017, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
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== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
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=== Special agenda from the last meeting (for reference) ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
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==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
''Ratty screwed up and didn't update the 2017-01-10 meeting with the notes. So here they are again. sumimasen, sumimasen, honto ni sumimasen.''<br />
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Benefits for 2.49ESR as opposed to whatever is comm-release:<br />
* ESR will get security fixes for 12 months.<br />
* After that we can cherry-pick and backport stuff. FRG thinks that will give us 18+ months on ESR-49.<br />
* We want to keep XP/Vista support, plug-in support other than Flash, full themes and XUL overlay extensions for a bit longer.<br />
* It'll give us some breathing space. We can even innovate and do some feature work. We could selectively back port feature work.<br />
* But no string changes would be allowed on ESR.<br />
** [Ratty] The way Thunderbird does releases on ESR and get new string changes is to do releases on comm-beta and then copy the new strings to their ESR-L10n.<br />
* [Callek] I agree it gives some more breathing room around a release train, but as Thunderbird has noticed, doing it that way still means we need beta's, because we need to work with and track changes that are necessary for future, otherwise we're in a boat of "hey there was 100k changesets between this working esr and this broken one, what.<br />
* [Ratty] For me personally the breaking point is removal of support for XUL extensions and "Full Themes". At this point I'm going to switch my focus to ESR [FRG] The same.<br />
* '''Build System'''<br />
** Basically we need a build system that is simple but allows lets us have localised extensions.<br />
** [IanN] In an ideal world we would like to merge mozilla-ESR into comm-ESR so we have a unified repository.<br />
** This would among other things, simplify the build process,<br />
** '''jcranmer''' has been doing some testing in the Cypress twig repository but that work has stalled since jcranmer lost interest.<br />
** [FRG] Whatever is decided should be decided with TB together. I don't think we will be able to do it alone.<br />
** Will the build system we use depend on whether we join forces with TB? TB will continue to use buildbot, so the question whether we adapt to their buildbot configuration or they adapt to us.<br />
** It would it be a good idea that we come up with a basic plan of what infra we need and finalize the structure and then let Callek have a looksee?<br />
* '''Ratty''' is prepared to fork out some cash to get some independent infrastructure working.<br />
* Q: what TB are going to do about infrastructure. [Ratty] They have hired a systems architect to do the planning for their new infrastructure.<br />
* One issue that ewong is concerned about. since a lot of our current infra interact with moco-internal stuff (api tooltool and the upload servers to name a few).<br />
* We need to be able to upload those nightlies to stage (archive.m.o) and the symbol server. And eventually we'll need to be able to upload data to "Balrog" (the update server) which we'd currently need to upload that data to our own update server.<br />
** So we either ask them to whitelist those external ips or we duplicate the kind of setup they have.<br />
<br />
** FRG asks if we could put a donation page into the SeaMonkey 2.48 first start page. Instead of the regular hello new release page we could redirect to another page on seamonkey-project.org.<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}}.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works ({{Bug|1265881}}).<br />
* '''2.48 beta is in preparation''' ({{bug|1328886}}).<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds.<br />
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
<br />
* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges completed January 23rd (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged January 16th), trunk now on SM '''2.51'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.<br />
** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)<br />
<br />
===== 2.47 skipped =====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)<br />
<br />
==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (19)<br />
<br />
==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 29 new, 24 fixed, 17 triaged.<br />
* moderately high triaging effort, back to average number of new bugs filed after the initial spike from the 2.46 release.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 40 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Waiting for '''Ratty''' to give feedback.<br />
<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1331203}} Port Bug 1243643 - ["Save Image As..." Not working] to SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1332899}} Port Bug 1329926 and remove getURIForKeyword API from SeaMonkey.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* l10n de localization (mostly stuff wih didn't make it into 2.48 and 2.49 yet). <br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** Move related items to a new Appearance &rarr; Media prefpane<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
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I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-24&diff=1160742SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-242017-01-24T11:11:13Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Special agenda from the last meeting (for reference) */</p>
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
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* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 January, 2017, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
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== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
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=== Special agenda from the last meeting (for reference) ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
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==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
''Ratty screwed up and didn't update the 2017-01-10 meeting with the notes. So here they are again. sumimasen, sumimasen, honto ni sumimasen.''<br />
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Benefits for 2.49ESR as opposed to whatever is comm-release:<br />
* ESR will get security fixes for 12 months.<br />
* After that we can cherry-pick and backport stuff. FRG thinks that will give us 18+ months on ESR-49.<br />
* We want to keep XP/Vista support, plug-in support other than Flash, full themes and XUL overlay extensions for a bit longer.<br />
* It'll give us some breathing space. We can even innovate and do some feature work. We could selectively back port feature work.<br />
* But no string changes would be allowed on ESR.<br />
** [Ratty] The way Thunderbird does releases on ESR and get new string changes is to do releases on comm-beta and then copy the new strings to their ESR-L10n.<br />
* [Callek] I agree it gives some more breathing room around a release train, but as Thunderbird has noticed, doing it that way still means we need beta's, because we need to work with and track changes that are necessary for future, otherwise we're in a boat of "hey there was 100k changesets between this working esr and this broken one, what.<br />
* [Ratty] For me personally the breaking point is removal of support for XUL extensions and "Full Themes". At this point I'm going to switch my focus to ESR [FRG] The same.<br />
* '''Build System'''<br />
** Basically we need a build system that is simple but allows lets us have localised extensions.<br />
** [IanN] In an ideal world we would like to merge mozilla-ESR into comm-ESR so we have a unified repository.<br />
** This would among other things, simplify the build process,<br />
** '''jcranmer''' has been doing some testing in the Cypress twig repository but that work has stalled since jcranmer lost interest.<br />
** [FRG] Whatever is decided should be decided with TB together. I don't think we will be able to do it alone.<br />
** Will the build system we use depend on whether we join forces with TB? TB will continue to use buildbot, so the question whether we adapt to their buildbot configuration or they adapt to us.<br />
** It would it be a good idea that we come up with a basic plan of what infra we need and finalize the structure and then let Callek have a looksee?<br />
* '''Ratty''' is prepared to fork out some cash to get some independent infrastructure working.<br />
* Q: what TB are going to do about infrastructure. [Ratty] They have hired a systems architect to do the planning for their new infrastructure.<br />
* One issue that ewong is concerned about. since a lot of our current infra interact with moco-internal stuff (api tooltool and the upload servers to name a few).<br />
* We need to be able to upload those nightlies to stage (archive.m.o) and the symbol server. And eventually we'll need to be able to upload data to "Balrog" (the update server) which we'd currently need to upload that data to our own update server.<br />
** So we either ask them to whitelist those external ips or we duplicate the kind of setup they have.<br />
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** FRG asks if we could put a donation page into the SeaMonkey 2.48 first start page. Instead of the regular hello new release page we could redirect to another page on seamonkey-project.org.<br />
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=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
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'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
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* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016, tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}}.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works ({{Bug|1265881}}).<br />
* '''2.48 beta is in preparation''' ({{bug|1328886}}).<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled for beta and likely release builds.<br />
*** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution and will no longer be possible with Gecko 53 (SM 2.50, thus would still allow 2.49 gtk2 builds). Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
<br />
* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges completed January 23rd (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged January 16th), trunk now on SM '''2.51'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.46 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey246&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey245&v2=2.46 fixed] (27)<br />
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===== 2.47 skipped =====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey247&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey246&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.47 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)<br />
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==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (2)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (19)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
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* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 29 new, 24 fixed, 17 triaged.<br />
* moderately high triaging effort, back to average number of new bugs filed after the initial spike from the 2.46 release.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 40 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
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Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
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Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Waiting for '''Ratty''' to give feedback.<br />
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Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1331203}} Port Bug 1243643 - ["Save Image As..." Not working] to SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1332899}} Port Bug 1329926 and remove getURIForKeyword API from SeaMonkey.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* l10n de localization (mostly stuff wih didn't make it into 2.48 and 2.49 yet). <br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
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Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
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Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** Move related items to a new Appearance &rarr; Media prefpane<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
<div style="font-family: monospace; font-size: smaller; font-style: italic; margin-left: 0.75in"><br />
My mother she is working, she is working very hard<br><br />
But every time she looks for me I'm sleeping in the yard.<br><br />
My mother thinks I'm lazy, and maybe she is right:<br><br />
I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA is soon enough for me.</div><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-10&diff=1160741SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-102017-01-24T11:06:54Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Special agenda carried over for this meeting */</p>
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
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* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 10 January, '''2017''', 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
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== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''Ewong'''<br />
** '''FRG'''<br />
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=== Special agenda carried over for this meeting ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL, classic extensions, and full themes by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
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==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
Benefits for 2.49ESR as opposed to whatever is comm-release:<br />
* ESR will get security fixes for 12 months.<br />
* After that we can cherry-pick and backport stuff. FRG thinks that will give us 18+ months on ESR-49.<br />
* We want to keep XP/Vista support, plug-in support other than Flash, full themes and XUL overlay extensions for a bit longer.<br />
* It'll give us some breathing space. We can even innovate and do some feature work. We could selectively back port feature work.<br />
* But no string changes would be allowed on ESR.<br />
** [Ratty] The way Thunderbird does releases on ESR and get new string changes is to do releases on comm-beta and then copy the new strings to their ESR-L10n.<br />
* [Callek] I agree it gives some more breathing room around a release train, but as Thunderbird has noticed, doing it that way still means we need beta's, because we need to work with and track changes that are necessary for future, otherwise we're in a boat of "hey there was 100k changesets between this working esr and this broken one, what.<br />
* [Ratty] For me personally the breaking point is removal of support for XUL extensions and "Full Themes". At this point I'm going to switch my focus to ESR [FRG] The same.<br />
* '''Build System'''<br />
** Basically we need a build system that is simple but allows lets us have localised extensions.<br />
** [IanN] In an ideal world we would like to merge mozilla-ESR into comm-ESR so we have a unified repository.<br />
** This would among other things, simplify the build process,<br />
** '''jcranmer''' has been doing some testing in the Cypress twig repository but that work has stalled since jcranmer lost interest.<br />
** [FRG] Whatever is decided should be decided with TB together. I don't think we will be able to do it alone.<br />
** Will the build system we use depend on whether we join forces with TB? TB will continue to use buildbot, so the question whether we adapt to their buildbot configuration or they adapt to us.<br />
** It would it be a good idea that we come up with a basic plan of what infra we need and finalize the structure and then let Callek have a looksee?<br />
* '''Ratty''' is prepared to fork out some cash to get some independent infrastructure working.<br />
* Q: what TB are going to do about infrastructure. [Ratty] They have hired a systems architect to do the planning for their new infrastructure.<br />
* One issue that ewong is concerned about. since a lot of our current infra interact with moco-internal stuff (api tooltool and the upload servers to name a few).<br />
* We need to be able to upload those nightlies to stage (archive.m.o) and the symbol server. And eventually we'll need to be able to upload data to "Balrog" (the update server) which we'd currently need to upload that data to our own update server.<br />
** So we either ask them to whitelist those external ips or we duplicate the kind of setup they have.<br />
* FRG asks if we could put a donation page into the SeaMonkey 2.48 first start page. Instead of the regular hello new release page we could redirect to another page on seamonkey-project.org.<br />
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=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
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'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* What to do about 0-day {{bug|1321066}}:<br />
** Preferably release 2.46 with the fix, just would have to land on m-r relbranch;<br />
** <s>alternatively, spin a 2.40.1 if patch applies and doesn't cause any other issues.</s> ''(2.46 released)''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* '''SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016''', tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. '''landed on trunk'''<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
* '''SeaMonkey 2.48 Release TBA'''.<br />
** Ready for L10N signoffs. Changesets to be provided by Callek.<br />
** [rsx1m] GTK2 vs GTK3: comm-beta is still on gtk3; it appears that there is no movement in the gtk3-related bugs, thus I think we should stick with gtk2 at least for c-r until those are resolved or gtk2 is retired by a significant distro.<br />
** Lightning it needs a patch for l10n which doesn't exist yet. It was during the repack where the wget failed.<br />
<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** '''Next merge day is scheduled for January 23rd''' (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release January 16th).<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
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==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (16)<br />
==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 43 new, 42 fixed, 22 triaged.<br />
* higher triaging effort, substantial number of new bugs filed after the 2.46 release.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 49 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* many brain cells died to bring 2.46 to fruition... <br />
** took a breather by doing simple stuff<br />
*** closed some bugs<br />
*** fixed some simple stuff relating to mozconfigs.<br />
** currently planning c-b release stuff so getting that organized.<br />
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here's hoping 2.48 won't kill off more brain cells that I can replenish. ;P<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Need to put comments from '''IanN''' into the patch.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff after 2.46 was released in the last 3 weeks and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
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Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
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Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1265881}} Location Bar Internet Search does not respect Edit → Preferences → Browser → Internet Search.<br />
* {{Bug|1320095}} Error: TypeError: this.browser.finder.onFindbarOpen is not a function.<br />
* {{Bug|1320442}} Port notification (doorhanger) changes from {{Bug|1315236}} to Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1323219}} Fix tabbrowser error from removal of javascript Array generics ({{Bug|1322124}}).<br />
* {{Bug|1324119}} DownloadTaskbarProgress.jsm is missing due to being removed from mozilla-central in {{Bug|1319762}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1324121}} Port {{Bug|1322609}} and {{Bug|1322414}} to suite. For reference:<br />
** {{Bug|1322609}} Get rid of content-targetable usage in tabbrowser.xml.<br />
** {{Bug|1322414}} Move content vs. content-primary distinction out of the `type` browser attribute.<br />
* {{Bug|1324204}} Cert error page: Error code link in 'Technical details' shown as html code.<br />
* {{Bug|1326195}} [sidebars] "Get more sidebars" is not working.<br />
* {{Bug|1326210}} Noticed in {{Bug|1265881}} <tt>Error: TypeError: temp is null Source File: chrome://global/content/bindings/preferences.xml Line: 1227</tt> [Toolkit]<br />
In Progress/Needs new patch:<br />
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.<br />
In Progress/Needs rethink:<br />
* {{Bug|1325982}} Reimplement keyword.URL as keyword.engine [SeaMonkey].<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|1328557}} [SeaMonkey] Searchbar regression: No separator between datalist and form history entries.<br />
* {{Bug|1328897}} Update Google Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1328920}} Update Yahoo Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1329186}} (1) Use asyncOpen2() and (2) change nsILoadInfo.SEC_NORMAL to SEC_ALLOW_CROSS_ORIGIN_DATA_IS_NULL when using a SystemPrincipal.<br />
* {{Bug|1329401}} Rollup updates for FeedConverter.js sync with Firefox as at 20161231.<br />
TODO:<br />
* General improvements to the internet search experience in SeaMonkey including:<br />
** Fix/improve context search (search from context menu). E.g. import the context-search extension.<br />
** Improve on {{Bug|1265881}} make default search engine setting work again.<br />
** Make the search service to not LZ4 compress the search.json metadata file.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Hot-fix landed on comm-central/comm-aurora:<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}<br />
** effectively broke part of the address book<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** <s>not exactly clear where this is supposed to go</s> Appearance &rarr; Media<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
<div style="font-family: monospace; font-size: smaller; font-style: italic; margin-left: 0.75in"><br />
My mother she is working, she is working very hard<br><br />
But every time she looks for me I'm sleeping in the yard.<br><br />
My mother thinks I'm lazy, and maybe she is right:<br><br />
I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA is soon enough for me.</div><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-10&diff=1160738SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-102017-01-24T10:17:30Z<p>Philip Chee: /* 2.x (Last, Current, Next) */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -5 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 10 January, '''2017''', 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''Ewong'''<br />
** '''FRG'''<br />
<br />
=== Special agenda carried over for this meeting ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
<br />
==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* What to do about 0-day {{bug|1321066}}:<br />
** Preferably release 2.46 with the fix, just would have to land on m-r relbranch;<br />
** <s>alternatively, spin a 2.40.1 if patch applies and doesn't cause any other issues.</s> ''(2.46 released)''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* '''SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016''', tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. '''landed on trunk'''<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
* '''SeaMonkey 2.48 Release TBA'''.<br />
** Ready for L10N signoffs. Changesets to be provided by Callek.<br />
** [rsx1m] GTK2 vs GTK3: comm-beta is still on gtk3; it appears that there is no movement in the gtk3-related bugs, thus I think we should stick with gtk2 at least for c-r until those are resolved or gtk2 is retired by a significant distro.<br />
** Lightning it needs a patch for l10n which doesn't exist yet. It was during the repack where the wget failed.<br />
<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** '''Next merge day is scheduled for January 23rd''' (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release January 16th).<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
==== 2.46 current release ====<br />
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==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 43 new, 42 fixed, 22 triaged.<br />
* higher triaging effort, substantial number of new bugs filed after the 2.46 release.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 49 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* many brain cells died to bring 2.46 to fruition... <br />
** took a breather by doing simple stuff<br />
*** closed some bugs<br />
*** fixed some simple stuff relating to mozconfigs.<br />
** currently planning c-b release stuff so getting that organized.<br />
<br />
here's hoping 2.48 won't kill off more brain cells that I can replenish. ;P<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Need to put comments from '''IanN''' into the patch.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff after 2.46 was released in the last 3 weeks and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1265881}} Location Bar Internet Search does not respect Edit → Preferences → Browser → Internet Search.<br />
* {{Bug|1320095}} Error: TypeError: this.browser.finder.onFindbarOpen is not a function.<br />
* {{Bug|1320442}} Port notification (doorhanger) changes from {{Bug|1315236}} to Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1323219}} Fix tabbrowser error from removal of javascript Array generics ({{Bug|1322124}}).<br />
* {{Bug|1324119}} DownloadTaskbarProgress.jsm is missing due to being removed from mozilla-central in {{Bug|1319762}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1324121}} Port {{Bug|1322609}} and {{Bug|1322414}} to suite. For reference:<br />
** {{Bug|1322609}} Get rid of content-targetable usage in tabbrowser.xml.<br />
** {{Bug|1322414}} Move content vs. content-primary distinction out of the `type` browser attribute.<br />
* {{Bug|1324204}} Cert error page: Error code link in 'Technical details' shown as html code.<br />
* {{Bug|1326195}} [sidebars] "Get more sidebars" is not working.<br />
* {{Bug|1326210}} Noticed in {{Bug|1265881}} <tt>Error: TypeError: temp is null Source File: chrome://global/content/bindings/preferences.xml Line: 1227</tt> [Toolkit]<br />
In Progress/Needs new patch:<br />
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.<br />
In Progress/Needs rethink:<br />
* {{Bug|1325982}} Reimplement keyword.URL as keyword.engine [SeaMonkey].<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|1328557}} [SeaMonkey] Searchbar regression: No separator between datalist and form history entries.<br />
* {{Bug|1328897}} Update Google Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1328920}} Update Yahoo Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1329186}} (1) Use asyncOpen2() and (2) change nsILoadInfo.SEC_NORMAL to SEC_ALLOW_CROSS_ORIGIN_DATA_IS_NULL when using a SystemPrincipal.<br />
* {{Bug|1329401}} Rollup updates for FeedConverter.js sync with Firefox as at 20161231.<br />
TODO:<br />
* General improvements to the internet search experience in SeaMonkey including:<br />
** Fix/improve context search (search from context menu). E.g. import the context-search extension.<br />
** Improve on {{Bug|1265881}} make default search engine setting work again.<br />
** Make the search service to not LZ4 compress the search.json metadata file.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Hot-fix landed on comm-central/comm-aurora:<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}<br />
** effectively broke part of the address book<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** <s>not exactly clear where this is supposed to go</s> Appearance &rarr; Media<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
<div style="font-family: monospace; font-size: smaller; font-style: italic; margin-left: 0.75in"><br />
My mother she is working, she is working very hard<br><br />
But every time she looks for me I'm sleeping in the yard.<br><br />
My mother thinks I'm lazy, and maybe she is right:<br><br />
I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA is soon enough for me.</div><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-10&diff=1160737SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-102017-01-24T10:11:44Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Release Train */</p>
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 10 January, '''2017''', 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''Ewong'''<br />
** '''FRG'''<br />
<br />
=== Special agenda carried over for this meeting ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
<br />
==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* What to do about 0-day {{bug|1321066}}:<br />
** Preferably release 2.46 with the fix, just would have to land on m-r relbranch;<br />
** <s>alternatively, spin a 2.40.1 if patch applies and doesn't cause any other issues.</s> ''(2.46 released)''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* '''SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016''', tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. '''landed on trunk'''<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
* '''SeaMonkey 2.48 Release TBA'''.<br />
** Ready for L10N signoffs. Changesets to be provided by Callek.<br />
** [rsx1m] GTK2 vs GTK3: comm-beta is still on gtk3; it appears that there is no movement in the gtk3-related bugs, thus I think we should stick with gtk2 at least for c-r until those are resolved or gtk2 is retired by a significant distro.<br />
** Lightning it needs a patch for l10n which doesn't exist yet. It was during the repack where the wget failed.<br />
<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** '''Next merge day is scheduled for January 23rd''' (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release January 16th).<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.40 previous release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
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<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
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* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 43 new, 42 fixed, 22 triaged.<br />
* higher triaging effort, substantial number of new bugs filed after the 2.46 release.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 49 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* many brain cells died to bring 2.46 to fruition... <br />
** took a breather by doing simple stuff<br />
*** closed some bugs<br />
*** fixed some simple stuff relating to mozconfigs.<br />
** currently planning c-b release stuff so getting that organized.<br />
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here's hoping 2.48 won't kill off more brain cells that I can replenish. ;P<br />
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==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Need to put comments from '''IanN''' into the patch.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff after 2.46 was released in the last 3 weeks and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
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Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
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Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1265881}} Location Bar Internet Search does not respect Edit → Preferences → Browser → Internet Search.<br />
* {{Bug|1320095}} Error: TypeError: this.browser.finder.onFindbarOpen is not a function.<br />
* {{Bug|1320442}} Port notification (doorhanger) changes from {{Bug|1315236}} to Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1323219}} Fix tabbrowser error from removal of javascript Array generics ({{Bug|1322124}}).<br />
* {{Bug|1324119}} DownloadTaskbarProgress.jsm is missing due to being removed from mozilla-central in {{Bug|1319762}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1324121}} Port {{Bug|1322609}} and {{Bug|1322414}} to suite. For reference:<br />
** {{Bug|1322609}} Get rid of content-targetable usage in tabbrowser.xml.<br />
** {{Bug|1322414}} Move content vs. content-primary distinction out of the `type` browser attribute.<br />
* {{Bug|1324204}} Cert error page: Error code link in 'Technical details' shown as html code.<br />
* {{Bug|1326195}} [sidebars] "Get more sidebars" is not working.<br />
* {{Bug|1326210}} Noticed in {{Bug|1265881}} <tt>Error: TypeError: temp is null Source File: chrome://global/content/bindings/preferences.xml Line: 1227</tt> [Toolkit]<br />
In Progress/Needs new patch:<br />
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.<br />
In Progress/Needs rethink:<br />
* {{Bug|1325982}} Reimplement keyword.URL as keyword.engine [SeaMonkey].<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|1328557}} [SeaMonkey] Searchbar regression: No separator between datalist and form history entries.<br />
* {{Bug|1328897}} Update Google Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1328920}} Update Yahoo Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1329186}} (1) Use asyncOpen2() and (2) change nsILoadInfo.SEC_NORMAL to SEC_ALLOW_CROSS_ORIGIN_DATA_IS_NULL when using a SystemPrincipal.<br />
* {{Bug|1329401}} Rollup updates for FeedConverter.js sync with Firefox as at 20161231.<br />
TODO:<br />
* General improvements to the internet search experience in SeaMonkey including:<br />
** Fix/improve context search (search from context menu). E.g. import the context-search extension.<br />
** Improve on {{Bug|1265881}} make default search engine setting work again.<br />
** Make the search service to not LZ4 compress the search.json metadata file.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
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==== rsx11m ====<br />
Hot-fix landed on comm-central/comm-aurora:<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}<br />
** effectively broke part of the address book<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** <s>not exactly clear where this is supposed to go</s> Appearance &rarr; Media<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
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My mother she is working, she is working very hard<br><br />
But every time she looks for me I'm sleeping in the yard.<br><br />
My mother thinks I'm lazy, and maybe she is right:<br><br />
I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA is soon enough for me.</div><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-10&diff=1159111SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-102017-01-10T15:00:18Z<p>Philip Chee: </p>
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 10 January, '''2017''', 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''Ewong'''<br />
** '''FRG'''<br />
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=== Special agenda carried over for this meeting ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
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==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* What to do about 0-day {{bug|1321066}}:<br />
** Preferably release 2.46 with the fix, just would have to land on m-r relbranch;<br />
** <s>alternatively, spin a 2.40.1 if patch applies and doesn't cause any other issues.</s> ''(2.46 released)''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* '''SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016''', tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. '''landed on trunk'''<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
** '''frg''' suggests shipping 2.46 without cZ and DOMi if the l10n problems can not be fixed in time.<br />
*** likely to happen for all locales including (en-US) <br />
<br />
* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** '''Next merge day is scheduled for January 23rd''' (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release January 16th).<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.40 previous release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
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* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 43 new, 42 fixed, 22 triaged.<br />
* higher triaging effort, substantial number of new bugs filed after the 2.46 release.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 49 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
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Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* many brain cells died to bring 2.46 to fruition... <br />
** took a breather by doing simple stuff<br />
*** closed some bugs<br />
*** fixed some simple stuff relating to mozconfigs.<br />
** currently planning c-b release stuff so getting that organized.<br />
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here's hoping 2.48 won't kill off more brain cells that I can replenish. ;P<br />
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==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
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Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Need to put comments from '''IanN''' into the patch.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff after 2.46 was released in the last 3 weeks and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
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Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1265881}} Location Bar Internet Search does not respect Edit → Preferences → Browser → Internet Search.<br />
* {{Bug|1320095}} Error: TypeError: this.browser.finder.onFindbarOpen is not a function.<br />
* {{Bug|1320442}} Port notification (doorhanger) changes from {{Bug|1315236}} to Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1323219}} Fix tabbrowser error from removal of javascript Array generics ({{Bug|1322124}}).<br />
* {{Bug|1324119}} DownloadTaskbarProgress.jsm is missing due to being removed from mozilla-central in {{Bug|1319762}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1324121}} Port {{Bug|1322609}} and {{Bug|1322414}} to suite. For reference:<br />
** {{Bug|1322609}} Get rid of content-targetable usage in tabbrowser.xml.<br />
** {{Bug|1322414}} Move content vs. content-primary distinction out of the `type` browser attribute.<br />
* {{Bug|1324204}} Cert error page: Error code link in 'Technical details' shown as html code.<br />
* {{Bug|1326195}} [sidebars] "Get more sidebars" is not working.<br />
* {{Bug|1326210}} Noticed in {{Bug|1265881}} <tt>Error: TypeError: temp is null Source File: chrome://global/content/bindings/preferences.xml Line: 1227</tt> [Toolkit]<br />
In Progress/Needs new patch:<br />
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.<br />
In Progress/Needs rethink:<br />
* {{Bug|1325982}} Reimplement keyword.URL as keyword.engine [SeaMonkey].<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|1328557}} [SeaMonkey] Searchbar regression: No separator between datalist and form history entries.<br />
* {{Bug|1328897}} Update Google Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1328920}} Update Yahoo Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1329186}} (1) Use asyncOpen2() and (2) change nsILoadInfo.SEC_NORMAL to SEC_ALLOW_CROSS_ORIGIN_DATA_IS_NULL when using a SystemPrincipal.<br />
* {{Bug|1329401}} Rollup updates for FeedConverter.js sync with Firefox as at 20161231.<br />
TODO:<br />
* General improvements to the internet search experience in SeaMonkey including:<br />
** Fix/improve context search (search from context menu). E.g. import the context-search extension.<br />
** Improve on {{Bug|1265881}} make default search engine setting work again.<br />
** Make the search service to not LZ4 compress the search.json metadata file.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
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==== rsx11m ====<br />
Hot-fix landed on comm-central/comm-aurora:<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}<br />
** effectively broke part of the address book<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** <s>not exactly clear where this is supposed to go</s> Appearance &rarr; Media<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
<div style="font-family: monospace; font-size: smaller; font-style: italic; margin-left: 0.75in"><br />
My mother she is working, she is working very hard<br><br />
But every time she looks for me I'm sleeping in the yard.<br><br />
My mother thinks I'm lazy, and maybe she is right:<br><br />
I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA is soon enough for me.</div><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-10&diff=1159099SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-102017-01-10T13:00:50Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Release Planning next release */</p>
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
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* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 10 January, '''2017''', 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
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== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
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=== Special agenda carried over for this meeting ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unclear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey developer team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird has been ESR only since the beginning of the train model. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the developer team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
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==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
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=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
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'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* What to do about 0-day {{bug|1321066}}:<br />
** Preferably release 2.46 with the fix, just would have to land on m-r relbranch;<br />
** <s>alternatively, spin a 2.40.1 if patch applies and doesn't cause any other issues.</s> ''(2.46 released)''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
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* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* '''SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016''', tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. '''landed on trunk'''<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
** '''frg''' suggests shipping 2.46 without cZ and DOMi if the l10n problems can not be fixed in time.<br />
*** likely to happen for all locales including (en-US) <br />
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* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
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* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** '''Next merge day is scheduled for January 23rd''' (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release January 16th).<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey247&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey246&v2=2.47 fixed] (15)<br />
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==== 2.48 planned next release ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (16)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
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<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 43 new, 42 fixed, 22 triaged.<br />
* higher triaging effort, substantial number of new bugs filed after the 2.46 release.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 49 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* many brain cells died to bring 2.46 to fruition... <br />
** took a breather by doing simple stuff<br />
*** closed some bugs<br />
*** fixed some simple stuff relating to mozconfigs.<br />
** currently planning c-b release stuff so getting that organized.<br />
<br />
here's hoping 2.48 won't kill off more brain cells that I can replenish. ;P<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Need to put comments from '''IanN''' into the patch.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff after 2.46 was released in the last 3 weeks and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1265881}} Location Bar Internet Search does not respect Edit → Preferences → Browser → Internet Search.<br />
* {{Bug|1320095}} Error: TypeError: this.browser.finder.onFindbarOpen is not a function.<br />
* {{Bug|1320442}} Port notification (doorhanger) changes from {{Bug|1315236}} to Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1323219}} Fix tabbrowser error from removal of javascript Array generics ({{Bug|1322124}}).<br />
* {{Bug|1324119}} DownloadTaskbarProgress.jsm is missing due to being removed from mozilla-central in {{Bug|1319762}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1324121}} Port {{Bug|1322609}} and {{Bug|1322414}} to suite. For reference:<br />
** {{Bug|1322609}} Get rid of content-targetable usage in tabbrowser.xml.<br />
** {{Bug|1322414}} Move content vs. content-primary distinction out of the `type` browser attribute.<br />
* {{Bug|1324204}} Cert error page: Error code link in 'Technical details' shown as html code.<br />
* {{Bug|1326195}} [sidebars] "Get more sidebars" is not working.<br />
* {{Bug|1326210}} Noticed in {{Bug|1265881}} <tt>Error: TypeError: temp is null Source File: chrome://global/content/bindings/preferences.xml Line: 1227</tt> [Toolkit]<br />
In Progress/Needs new patch:<br />
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.<br />
In Progress/Needs rethink:<br />
* {{Bug|1325982}} Reimplement keyword.URL as keyword.engine [SeaMonkey].<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|1328557}} [SeaMonkey] Searchbar regression: No separator between datalist and form history entries.<br />
* {{Bug|1328897}} Update Google Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1328920}} Update Yahoo Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1329186}} (1) Use asyncOpen2() and (2) change nsILoadInfo.SEC_NORMAL to SEC_ALLOW_CROSS_ORIGIN_DATA_IS_NULL when using a SystemPrincipal.<br />
* {{Bug|1329401}} Rollup updates for FeedConverter.js sync with Firefox as at 20161231.<br />
TODO:<br />
* General improvements to the internet search experience in SeaMonkey including:<br />
** Fix/improve context search (search from context menu). E.g. import the context-search extension.<br />
** Improve on {{Bug|1265881}} make default search engine setting work again.<br />
** Make the search service to not LZ4 compress the search.json metadata file.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Hot-fix landed on comm-central/comm-aurora:<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}<br />
** effectively broke part of the address book<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** <s>not exactly clear where this is supposed to go</s> Appearance &rarr; Media<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<!-- scratchpad for next meeting, 2016-12-20. Please cut & paste, then uncomment.<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
<div style="font-family: monospace; font-size: smaller; font-style: italic; margin-left: 0.75in"><br />
My mother she is working, she is working very hard<br><br />
But every time she looks for me I'm sleeping in the yard.<br><br />
My mother thinks I'm lazy, and maybe she is right:<br><br />
I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA is soon enough for me.</div><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
--><br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* Status meeting times/days.</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-10&diff=1159095SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-01-102017-01-10T11:56:02Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Ratty */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -5 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=1&year=2017&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 10 January, '''2017''', 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Special agenda carried over for this meeting ===<br />
==== Release Planning next release ====<br />
* Mozilla plans to remove XUL and classic extensions by the end of 2017. While it is still unlcear if the time table is realistic the future outlook is bleak.<br />
* It is unclear if the current SeaMonkey dev team can fix the upcoming build breaks fast enough to do regular releases.<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.50a1 (FF 53) is building but this may change at any time. l20n is planned for FF 53 and might disrupt l10n building again.<br />
* The consensus seems to be to do a ESR 52 cycle for the next SeaMonkey release. This would mean SeaMonkey 2.49 will become an ESR release still providing Windows XP and Vista compatibility.<br />
* Thunderbird already does ESR only. The biggest obstacle/restriction is that no string changes are allowed.<br />
* Doing a 2.49 ESR will give the dev team a breather to fix the upcoming breaks in the mozilla source tree.<br />
* Forking the Mozilla source tree is not an option. The dev team is too small and would not be able to even fix all upcoming security bugs in a forked Gecko engine.<br />
==== Release Planning mid/long term ====<br />
* Mid/Long term release planning was not discussed because of time constraints. It will be put on the agenda of the next status meeting.<br />
* It was suggested that we set up own builders to become more independent of Mozilla. '''adriank''' already has a working build system based on Jenkins. '''Ratty''' and '''ewong''' would like to set up one based on buildbot. No decision needed right now but this needs to be worked out.<br />
* A new build system should provide try builds and should us also enable doing automated tests again.<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* What to do about 0-day {{bug|1321066}}:<br />
** Preferably release 2.46 with the fix, just would have to land on m-r relbranch;<br />
** <s>alternatively, spin a 2.40.1 if patch applies and doesn't cause any other issues.</s> ''(2.46 released)''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [10th January 2016]<br />
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.<br />
*** All tests are red.<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green (though OSX64 is backlogged, but it should be green).<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much Green/Orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* '''SeaMonkey 2.46 was released December 22, 2016''', tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Issues with this release:<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. '''landed on trunk'''<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
** '''frg''' suggests shipping 2.46 without cZ and DOMi if the l10n problems can not be fixed in time.<br />
*** likely to happen for all locales including (en-US) <br />
<br />
* ewong: Suggests the following:<br />
** Officially release a linux64 build (incl. tests)<br />
*** Start with 2.50 (or if we don't make it, 2.51) trunk.<br />
*** Not entirely sure what is needed to make it official. Need to correspond with Callek.<br />
** Build an unofficial (contributed build) Win64 build. [akin to the status that Linux64 has now.]<br />
*** Start with 2.51 (we need to iron out the build issues, though right now, having just finished a W64 build, we might be able to have it available with 2.50; but I don't know how the tests are going to work(though this will need to wait). <br />
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.<br />
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* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** '''Next merge day is scheduled for January 23rd''' (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release January 16th).<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
**** 2.48 is 'lightly' blocked on our ability to migrate from AUS2 to Balrog as the above mentioned bugs might be difficult with AUS2. {{bug|1254401}}<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
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** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
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* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 43 new, 42 fixed, 22 triaged.<br />
* higher triaging effort, substantial number of new bugs filed after the 2.46 release.<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* many brain cells died to bring 2.46 to fruition... <br />
** took a breather by doing simple stuff<br />
*** closed some bugs<br />
*** fixed some simple stuff relating to mozconfigs.<br />
** currently planning c-b release stuff so getting that organized.<br />
<br />
here's hoping 2.48 won't kill off more brain cells that I can replenish. ;P<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows 2.49+ to build. This can not be completly fixed right now due to an l10n problem with DOMi.<br />
<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages. Started working on it again but got distracted again.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left). A little on the backburner.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1319212}} Dragging and dropping a url from the desktop onto the browser no longer works. Need to put comments from '''IanN''' into the patch.<br />
* Mostly did support stuff after 2.46 was released in the last 3 weeks and fixed some smaller build breakages.<br />
* Trying to clean up the shipped extensions build process so that they ca be included / disabled via confvars.sh. Halfway done. No bug yet.<br />
<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1265881}} Location Bar Internet Search does not respect Edit → Preferences → Browser → Internet Search.<br />
* {{Bug|1320095}} Error: TypeError: this.browser.finder.onFindbarOpen is not a function.<br />
* {{Bug|1320442}} Port notification (doorhanger) changes from {{Bug|1315236}} to Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1323219}} Fix tabbrowser error from removal of javascript Array generics ({{Bug|1322124}}).<br />
* {{Bug|1324119}} DownloadTaskbarProgress.jsm is missing due to being removed from mozilla-central in {{Bug|1319762}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1324121}} Port {{Bug|1322609}} and {{Bug|1322414}} to suite. For reference:<br />
** {{Bug|1322609}} Get rid of content-targetable usage in tabbrowser.xml.<br />
** {{Bug|1322414}} Move content vs. content-primary distinction out of the `type` browser attribute.<br />
* {{Bug|1324204}} Cert error page: Error code link in 'Technical details' shown as html code.<br />
* {{Bug|1326195}} [sidebars] "Get more sidebars" is not working.<br />
* {{Bug|1326210}} Noticed in {{Bug|1265881}} <tt>Error: TypeError: temp is null Source File: chrome://global/content/bindings/preferences.xml Line: 1227</tt> [Toolkit]<br />
In Progress/Needs new patch:<br />
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.<br />
In Progress/Needs rethink:<br />
* {{Bug|1325982}} Reimplement keyword.URL as keyword.engine [SeaMonkey].<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|1328557}} [SeaMonkey] Searchbar regression: No separator between datalist and form history entries.<br />
* {{Bug|1328897}} Update Google Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1328920}} Update Yahoo Search Plugin (sync with Firefox) [20161231].<br />
* {{Bug|1329186}} (1) Use asyncOpen2() and (2) change nsILoadInfo.SEC_NORMAL to SEC_ALLOW_CROSS_ORIGIN_DATA_IS_NULL when using a SystemPrincipal.<br />
* {{Bug|1329401}} Rollup updates for FeedConverter.js sync with Firefox as at 20161231.<br />
TODO:<br />
* General improvements to the internet search experience in SeaMonkey including:<br />
** Fix/improve context search (search from context menu). E.g. import the context-search extension.<br />
** Improve on {{Bug|1265881}} make default search engine setting work again.<br />
** Make the search service to not LZ4 compress the search.json metadata file.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Hot-fix landed on comm-central/comm-aurora:<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}<br />
** effectively broke part of the address book<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** <s>not exactly clear where this is supposed to go</s> Appearance &rarr; Media<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** "real" fix<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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* Triage: Business as usual but maybe getting lazy.<br />
<div style="font-family: monospace; font-size: smaller; font-style: italic; margin-left: 0.75in"><br />
My mother she is working, she is working very hard<br><br />
But every time she looks for me I'm sleeping in the yard.<br><br />
My mother thinks I'm lazy, and maybe she is right:<br><br />
I'll go to work MAÑANA but I gotta sleep tonight.<br><br />
MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA is soon enough for me.</div><br />
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* New Bugzilla search: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=All%20%22doorhanger%22%20bugs%20this%20month&sharer_id=104443 All "doorhanger" bugs this month] — for any Product::Component, but won't (yet?) catch bugs whose Summary says "notification" but not "doorhanger".<br />
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<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-12-06&diff=1156492SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-12-062016-12-06T11:08:49Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Feature List, Planning */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=6&month=12&year=2016&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 6 December, 2016, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* What to do about 0-day {{bug|1321066}}:<br />
** Preferably release 2.46 with the fix, just would have to land on m-r relbranch;<br />
** alternatively, spin a 2.40.1 if patch applies and doesn't cause any other issues.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [6th December 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: "Crimson red" due to the XPCOM bug. {{bug|1318735}}<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
*** No longer able to drop a url into the browser. {{bug|1319212}}<br />
*** Sessionstore problem because jarprefix was removed.{{bug|1319114}}<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Currently, 2.46 is still a not released but progress is being made. Users also reported that the 2.46 en-US candidates are stable.<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. '''landed on trunk'''<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
** '''frg''' suggests shipping 2.46 without cZ and DOMi if the l10n problems can not be fixed in time.<br />
*** likely to happen for all locales including (en-US) <br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges have been performed on November 14th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was on October 31st as planned), thus m-r/c-r are now on SM 2.'''47'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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==== 2.46 planned upcoming release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up. '''frg''' asked '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' if the xpfe autocomplete really should be changed. For only fields the standard Gecko autocomplete could be used without code duplication.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.<br />
<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** TLS 1.3 has been enabled in Gecko 52 by default in {{Bug|1310516}}.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> is now 3 for TLS 1.3. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
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* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 26 new, 11 fixed, 19 triaged.<br />
* higher triaging effort, higher number of new bugs filed compared to previous period.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 6 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
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Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
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Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey. Mostly done. Release not checked in. Waiting a little longer in case of problems. So far none reported.<br />
* {{Bug|1318133}} Replace calls to AddDDEHandlerValues with AddDisabledDDEHandlerValues. <br />
* {{Bug|1318735}} Cannot compile due to XPCOM. Getting rid of suite.dll / suite.so binary component. Needs superreview from IanN. <br />
* {{Bug|1318966}} Remove MOZ_INCOMPLETE_EXTERNAL_LINKAGE from c-c <br />
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Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages.<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows c-c to build. I will assemble the lists. In the long run we will error out if duplicates are encountered.<br />
* Bug triaging to get the wrinkles out of 2.49.<br />
* Was mostly occupied with 2.46 l10n otherwise. Doing local building with patches and testing for ewong.<br />
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Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
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Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1310285}} "Available profiles" Pane in "Switch Profile" dialog too narrow for long profile name.<br />
* {{Bug|1320709}} selectForOfflineUse button completely fails to show the icon due to fallout from {{Bug|348720}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1321011}} Update package-manifest.in for recent changes in November 2016.<br />
In Progress/waiting for review:<br />
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.<br />
* {{Bug|1320095}} Error: TypeError: this.browser.finder.onFindbarOpen is not a function.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Hot-fix ready to land, needs updated patch:<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}<br />
** effectively breaks part of the address book<br />
Needs feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-12-06&diff=1156491SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-12-062016-12-06T11:01:35Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree */</p>
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=6&month=12&year=2016&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 6 December, 2016, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* What to do about 0-day {{bug|1321066}}:<br />
** Preferably release 2.46 with the fix, just would have to land on m-r relbranch;<br />
** alternatively, spin a 2.40.1 if patch applies and doesn't cause any other issues.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)<br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [6th December 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: "Crimson red" due to the XPCOM bug. {{bug|1318735}}<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
*** No longer able to drop a url into the browser. {{bug|1319212}}<br />
*** Sessionstore problem because jarprefix was removed.{{bug|1319114}}<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Currently, 2.46 is still a not released but progress is being made. Users also reported that the 2.46 en-US candidates are stable.<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. '''landed on trunk'''<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
** '''frg''' suggests shipping 2.46 without cZ and DOMi if the l10n problems can not be fixed in time.<br />
*** likely to happen for all locales including (en-US) <br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges have been performed on November 14th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was on October 31st as planned), thus m-r/c-r are now on SM 2.'''47'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
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** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up. '''frg''' asked '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' if the xpfe autocomplete really should be changed. For only fields the standard Gecko autocomplete could be used without code duplication.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** TLS 1.3 has been enabled in Gecko 52 by default in {{Bug|1310516}}.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> is now 3 for TLS 1.3. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 26 new, 11 fixed, 19 triaged.<br />
* higher triaging effort, higher number of new bugs filed compared to previous period.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 6 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey. Mostly done. Release not checked in. Waiting a little longer in case of problems. So far none reported.<br />
* {{Bug|1318133}} Replace calls to AddDDEHandlerValues with AddDisabledDDEHandlerValues. <br />
* {{Bug|1318735}} Cannot compile due to XPCOM. Getting rid of suite.dll / suite.so binary component. Needs superreview from IanN. <br />
* {{Bug|1318966}} Remove MOZ_INCOMPLETE_EXTERNAL_LINKAGE from c-c <br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages.<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows c-c to build. I will assemble the lists. In the long run we will error out if duplicates are encountered.<br />
* Bug triaging to get the wrinkles out of 2.49.<br />
* Was mostly occupied with 2.46 l10n otherwise. Doing local building with patches and testing for ewong.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1310285}} "Available profiles" Pane in "Switch Profile" dialog too narrow for long profile name.<br />
* {{Bug|1320709}} selectForOfflineUse button completely fails to show the icon due to fallout from {{Bug|348720}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1321011}} Update package-manifest.in for recent changes in November 2016.<br />
In Progress/waiting for review:<br />
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.<br />
* {{Bug|1320095}} Error: TypeError: this.browser.finder.onFindbarOpen is not a function.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Hot-fix ready to land, needs updated patch:<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}<br />
** effectively breaks part of the address book<br />
Needs feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-12-06&diff=1156490SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-12-062016-12-06T10:43:49Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Ratty */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=6&month=12&year=2016&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 6 December, 2016, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* What to do about 0-day {{bug|1321066}}:<br />
** Preferably release 2.46 with the fix, just would have to land on m-r relbranch;<br />
** alternatively, spin a 2.40.1 if patch applies and doesn't cause any other issues.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
** in light of this and [[#Release_Train|other changes in 52+]], releasing 2.49.x off 52 ESR becomes an increasingly attractive option<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. '''IanN''' plans to prepare the final draft of the project areas this week.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* '''frg''' thinks we should try to get our own builders.<br />
** where, which build environment, how to cover associated costs?<br />
** 2.46 release: improvise with contributed builds?<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* The block lists are no longer updated. Covered by {{bug|1315878}}.<br />
* [6th December 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: "Crimson red" due to the XPCOM bug. {{bug|1318735}}<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
*** No longer able to drop a url into the browser. {{bug|1319212}}<br />
*** Sessionstore problem because jarprefix was removed.{{bug|1319114}}<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Currently, 2.46 is still a not released but progress is being made. Users also reported that the 2.46 en-US candidates are stable.<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. '''landed on trunk'''<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
** '''frg''' suggests shipping 2.46 without cZ and DOMi if the l10n problems can not be fixed in time.<br />
*** likely to happen for all locales including (en-US) <br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges have been performed on November 14th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was on October 31st as planned), thus m-r/c-r are now on SM 2.'''47'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].<br />
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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==== 2.46 planned upcoming release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up. '''frg''' asked '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' if the xpfe autocomplete really should be changed. For only fields the standard Gecko autocomplete could be used without code duplication.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.<br />
<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** TLS 1.3 has been enabled in Gecko 52 by default in {{Bug|1310516}}.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> is now 3 for TLS 1.3. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 26 new, 11 fixed, 19 triaged.<br />
* higher triaging effort, higher number of new bugs filed compared to previous period.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 6 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
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Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes. 1/3 still needs review?<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey. Mostly done. Release not checked in. Waiting a little longer in case of problems. So far none reported.<br />
* {{Bug|1318133}} Replace calls to AddDDEHandlerValues with AddDisabledDDEHandlerValues. <br />
* {{Bug|1318735}} Cannot compile due to XPCOM. Getting rid of suite.dll / suite.so binary component. Needs superreview from IanN. <br />
* {{Bug|1318966}} Remove MOZ_INCOMPLETE_EXTERNAL_LINKAGE from c-c <br />
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Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages.<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows c-c to build. I will assemble the lists. In the long run we will error out if duplicates are encountered.<br />
* Bug triaging to get the wrinkles out of 2.49.<br />
* Was mostly occupied with 2.46 l10n otherwise. Doing local building with patches and testing for ewong.<br />
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Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1310285}} "Available profiles" Pane in "Switch Profile" dialog too narrow for long profile name.<br />
* {{Bug|1320709}} selectForOfflineUse button completely fails to show the icon due to fallout from {{Bug|348720}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1321011}} Update package-manifest.in for recent changes in November 2016.<br />
In Progress/waiting for review:<br />
* {{Bug|357097}} "Play a sound" textboxes are not editable, and don't disable Preview button when nothing has been selected.<br />
* {{Bug|1320095}} Error: TypeError: this.browser.finder.onFindbarOpen is not a function.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Hot-fix ready to land, needs updated patch:<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}<br />
** effectively breaks part of the address book<br />
Needs feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-11-22&diff=1155528SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-11-222016-11-22T12:51:27Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Feature List, Planning */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=22&month=11&year=2016&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 22 November, 2016, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN did circulate a new version of the project areas and is asking for feedback.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* '''The block lists are no longer updated. Last update was 3 weeks ago!''' [ewong: the blocklist file has screwed up content. Investigating. {{bug|1315878}}]<br />
* [22nd November 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: "Crimson red" due to the XPCOM bug. {{bug|1318735}}<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
*** No longer able to drop a url into the browser (no bug yet).<br />
*** Sessionstore problem because jarprefix was removed (no bug yet).<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Currently, 2.46 is still a not released but progress is being made. Users also reported that the 2.46 en-US candidates are stable.<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. Just waits for r+ from '''Fallen'''.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges have been performed on November 14th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was on October 31st as planned), thus m-r/c-r are now on SM 2.'''47'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes sould mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up. '''frg''' asked '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' if the xpfe autocomplete really should be changed. For only fields the standard Gecko autocomplete could be used without code duplication.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.<br />
<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** TLS 1.3 has been enabled in Gecko 52 by default in {{Bug|1310516}}.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> is now 3 for TLS 1.3. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 13 new, 4 fixed, 3 triaged.<br />
* very low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1300547}} Suggestion list dropdown with suggestions not shown. Updated the patch for 2.49/2.50. m-c part has review+. Waiting for c-c part review.<br />
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey. Mostly done. Release not checked in. Waiting a little longer in case of problems. So far none reported.<br />
* {{Bug|1309372}} Wrong Lightning version in SeaMonkey 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate.<br />
* {{Bug|1316104}} CRASH [@ nsGlobalWindow::SetOpenerWindow] (with MOZ_RELEASE_ASSERT) when click link which opens link target in new TAB<br />
* {{Bug|1318133}} Replace calls to AddDDEHandlerValues with AddDisabledDDEHandlerValues. <br />
* {{Bug|1318735}} Cannot compile due to XPCOM. Getting rid of suite.dll / suite.so binary component.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages.<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows c-c to build. I will assemble the lists. In the long run we will error out if duplicates are encountered.<br />
* {{Bug|1318966}} Remove MOZ_INCOMPLETE_EXTERNAL_LINKAGE from c-c <br />
* The daily mozilla-central build breakage. And there were another few in the last two weeks...<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Needs feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}<br />
** effectively breaks part of the address book<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-11-22&diff=1155527SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-11-222016-11-22T12:49:52Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Feature List, Planning */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=22&month=11&year=2016&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 22 November, 2016, 13:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 9pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Mozilla plans to check in l20n early in the Firefox 53 release cycle. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the build configs. Needs to be monitored.<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN did circulate a new version of the project areas and is asking for feedback.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* '''The block lists are no longer updated. Last update was 3 weeks ago!''' [ewong: the blocklist file has screwed up content. Investigating. {{bug|1315878}}]<br />
* [22nd November 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: "Crimson red" due to the XPCOM bug. {{bug|1318735}}<br />
*** See {{bug|1319091}} for current breakages.<br />
*** No longer able to drop a url into the browser (no bug yet).<br />
*** Sessionstore problem because jarprefix was removed (no bug yet).<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Currently, 2.46 is still a not released but progress is being made. Users also reported that the 2.46 en-US candidates are stable.<br />
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).<br />
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.<br />
*** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}. Just waits for r+ from '''Fallen'''.<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges have been performed on November 14th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was on October 31st as planned), thus m-r/c-r are now on SM 2.'''47'''.<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
* Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2,49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes sould mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and are currently being fixed.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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==== 2.46 planned upcoming release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up. '''frg''' asked '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' if the xpfe autocomplete really should be changed. For only fields the standard Gecko autocomplete could be used without code duplication.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.<br />
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<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** TLS 1.3 has been enabled in Gecko 52 by default in {{Bug|1310516}}.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> is now 3 for TLS 1.3. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
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* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 13 new, 4 fixed, 3 triaged.<br />
* very low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan was approved by Mozilla management.<br />
*** SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP and Vista.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** We need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
**** Several bugs are already in place to remove XP and Vista support from m-c 53+ completly. Seamonkey will not be able to back them out so an ESR would be a must if we still want to support them.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/tag/coffee-mug/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
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Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
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Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. On the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1300547}} Suggestion list dropdown with suggestions not shown. Updated the patch for 2.49/2.50. m-c part has review+. Waiting for c-c part review.<br />
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey. Mostly done. Release not checked in. Waiting a little longer in case of problems. So far none reported.<br />
* {{Bug|1309372}} Wrong Lightning version in SeaMonkey 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate.<br />
* {{Bug|1316104}} CRASH [@ nsGlobalWindow::SetOpenerWindow] (with MOZ_RELEASE_ASSERT) when click link which opens link target in new TAB<br />
* {{Bug|1318133}} Replace calls to AddDDEHandlerValues with AddDisabledDDEHandlerValues. <br />
* {{Bug|1318735}} Cannot compile due to XPCOM. Getting rid of suite.dll / suite.so binary component.<br />
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Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}} and various build breakages.<br />
* {{Bug|1314892}} Provide allowed duplicate list for SeaMonkey. The current patch allows c-c to build. I will assemble the lists. In the long run we will error out if duplicates are encountered.<br />
* {{Bug|1318966}} Remove MOZ_INCOMPLETE_EXTERNAL_LINKAGE from c-c <br />
* The daily mozilla-central build breakage. And there were another few in the last two weeks...<br />
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Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier. Will ask glandium about it.<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Needs feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.<br />
** port mail/-only changes/additions from Thunderbird {{bug|1310442}}<br />
** effectively breaks part of the address book<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-25&diff=1152531SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-252016-10-25T13:02:02Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=10&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 25 October, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''N/A'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN did circulate a new version of the project areas and is asking for feedback.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* [25th October 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** <s>All Platforms: Green</s> osx seems to be broken. Windows too.<br />
*** Autocomplete is broken See {{Bug|1300547}}. spellcheckerUI broken today. Should be fixed till 2.49 hits beta but still enough time to fix.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Currently, 2.46 has hit the proverbial repack brick wall. ({{bug|1231349}})<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Next merges are scheduled for November 7th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release: October 31st).<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up and '''frg''' will adopt it further for SeaMonkeys autocomplete.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.<br />
<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. This will ride the release train, thus allowing users to enable it for testing, hopefully it'll be ready when trunk hits release.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 16 new, 8 fixed, 6 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan still needs to be approved from Mozilla management. Statistics show that there are still as many XP users using Firefox as there are Linux and macOS users.<br />
*** If approved SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** There is currently no progress in the bugs and we need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* [Ratty] suggests shipping The HTML Validator as a bundled extension.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* l10n repack hell.<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. ON the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1300547}} Suggestion list dropdown with suggestions not shown.<br />
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Put up a patch to unbreak l10n building for this extension. Use the same method as Pocket in Firefox by copying the en-US files under the l10n locale.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}}.<br />
* This and that. Updated some de help items. Worked in my free time mostly on {{Bug|1300547}}. The temporary fix was broken again in {{Bug|1296638}}.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1312215}} Rendering of XUL checkboxes and radiobuttons focus ring is misaligned with OpenSUSE default desktop theme<br />
** regression for Linux/GTK2 builds since 2.40<br />
Stalled:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
** aboutSupport.{xhtml,js} are Toolkit code<br />
** only aboutSupport.css was forked<br />
Needs feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* End of Daylight Saving Time is coming up, next meeting will be an hour ''later''<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-25&diff=1152529SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-252016-10-25T13:01:11Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Release Train */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=10&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 25 October, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''N/A'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN did circulate a new version of the project areas and is asking for feedback.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* [25th October 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** <s>All Platforms: Green</s> osx seems to be broken. Windows too.<br />
*** Autocomplete is broken See {{Bug|1300547}}. spellcheckerUI broken today. Should be fixed till 2.49 hits beta but still enough time to fix.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Currently, 2.46 has hit the proverbial repack brick wall. ({{bug|1231349}})<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Next merges are scheduled for November 7th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release: October 31st).<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up and '''frg''' will adopt it further for SeaMonkeys autocomplete.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.<br />
<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. This will ride the release train, thus allowing users to enable it for testing, hopefully it'll be ready when trunk hits release.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 16 new, 8 fixed, 6 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan still needs to be approved from Mozilla management. Statistics show that there are still as many XP users using Firefox as there are Linux and macOS users.<br />
*** If approved SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** There is currently no progress in the bugs and we need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* [Ratty] suggests shipping The HTML Validator as a bundled extension.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* l10n repack hell.<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. ON the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1300547}} Suggestion list dropdown with suggestions not shown.<br />
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Put up a patch to unbreak l10n building for this extension. Use the same method as Pocket in Firefox by copying the en-US files under the l10n locale.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}}.<br />
* This and that. Updated some de help items. Worked in my free time mostly on {{Bug|1300547}}. The temporary fix was broken again in {{Bug|1296638}}.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1312215}} Rendering of XUL checkboxes and radiobuttons focus ring is misaligned with OpenSUSE default desktop theme<br />
** regression for Linux/GTK2 builds since 2.40<br />
Stalled:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
** aboutSupport.{xhtml,js} are Toolkit code<br />
** only aboutSupport.css was forked<br />
Needs feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* End of Daylight Saving Time is coming up, next meeting will be an hour ''later''<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-25&diff=1152528SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-252016-10-25T12:55:11Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Release Train */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=10&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 25 October, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''N/A'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN did circulate a new version of the project areas and is asking for feedback.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* [25th October 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** <s>All Platforms: Green</s> osx seems to be broken. Windows too.<br />
*** Autocomplete is broken See {{Bug|1300547}}. spellcheckerUI broken today. Should be fixed till 2.49 hits beta but still enough time to fix.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Currently, 2.46 has hit the proverbial repack brick wall. ({{bug|1231349}})<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}.<br />
** DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
*** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
*** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Next merges are scheduled for November 7th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release: October 31st).<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up and '''frg''' will adopt it further for SeaMonkeys autocomplete.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. This will ride the release train, thus allowing users to enable it for testing, hopefully it'll be ready when trunk hits release.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 16 new, 8 fixed, 6 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan still needs to be approved from Mozilla management. Statistics show that there are still as many XP users using Firefox as there are Linux and macOS users.<br />
*** If approved SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** There is currently no progress in the bugs and we need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* [Ratty] suggests shipping The HTML Validator as a bundled extension.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* l10n repack hell.<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. ON the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1300547}} Suggestion list dropdown with suggestions not shown.<br />
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Put up a patch to unbreak l10n building for this extension. Use the same method as Pocket in Firefox by copying the en-US files under the l10n locale.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}}.<br />
* This and that. Updated some de help items. Worked in my free time mostly on {{Bug|1300547}}. The temporary fix was broken again in {{Bug|1296638}}.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1312215}} Rendering of XUL checkboxes and radiobuttons focus ring is misaligned with OpenSUSE default desktop theme<br />
** regression for Linux/GTK2 builds since 2.40<br />
Stalled:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
** aboutSupport.{xhtml,js} are Toolkit code<br />
** only aboutSupport.css was forked<br />
Needs feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* End of Daylight Saving Time is coming up, next meeting will be an hour ''later''<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-25&diff=1152527SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-252016-10-25T12:49:38Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Release Train */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=10&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 25 October, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''N/A'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN did circulate a new version of the project areas and is asking for feedback.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* [25th October 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** <s>All Platforms: Green</s> osx seems to be broken. Windows too.<br />
*** Autocomplete is broken See {{Bug|1300547}}. spellcheckerUI broken today. Should be fixed till 2.49 hits beta but still enough time to fix.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Currently, 2.46 has hit the proverbial repack brick wall. ({{bug|1231349}})<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
** Wrong Lightning version in 2.46 build 6 Release Candidate. See {{Bug|1309372}}.<br />
** DOMi langpacks aren't working. Chatzilla langpacks show as disabled on a new profile.<br />
*** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla. He will be working on the DOMi repack issues tonight.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Next merges are scheduled for November 7th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release: October 31st).<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up and '''frg''' will adopt it further for SeaMonkeys autocomplete.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. This will ride the release train, thus allowing users to enable it for testing, hopefully it'll be ready when trunk hits release.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 16 new, 8 fixed, 6 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan still needs to be approved from Mozilla management. Statistics show that there are still as many XP users using Firefox as there are Linux and macOS users.<br />
*** If approved SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** There is currently no progress in the bugs and we need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* [Ratty] suggests shipping The HTML Validator as a bundled extension.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* l10n repack hell.<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. ON the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1300547}} Suggestion list dropdown with suggestions not shown.<br />
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Put up a patch to unbreak l10n building for this extension. Use the same method as Pocket in Firefox by copying the en-US files under the l10n locale.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}}.<br />
* This and that. Updated some de help items. Worked in my free time mostly on {{Bug|1300547}}. The temporary fix was broken again in {{Bug|1296638}}.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1312215}} Rendering of XUL checkboxes and radiobuttons focus ring is misaligned with OpenSUSE default desktop theme<br />
** regression for Linux/GTK2 builds since 2.40<br />
Stalled:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
** aboutSupport.{xhtml,js} are Toolkit code<br />
** only aboutSupport.css was forked<br />
Needs feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* End of Daylight Saving Time is coming up, next meeting will be an hour ''later''<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-25&diff=1152526SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-252016-10-25T12:42:13Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=10&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 25 October, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''N/A'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN did circulate a new version of the project areas and is asking for feedback.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
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<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.<br />
* DOMi still needs to be sorted.<br />
* [25th October 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** <s>All Platforms: Green</s> osx seems to be broken. Windows too.<br />
*** Autocomplete is broken See {{Bug|1300547}}. spellcheckerUI broken today. Should be fixed till 2.49 hits beta but still enough time to fix.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Currently, 2.46 has hit the proverbial repack brick wall. ({{bug|1231349}})<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Next merges are scheduled for November 7th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release: October 31st).<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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==== 2.46 planned upcoming release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up and '''frg''' will adopt it further for SeaMonkeys autocomplete.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.<br />
<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. This will ride the release train, thus allowing users to enable it for testing, hopefully it'll be ready when trunk hits release.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 16 new, 8 fixed, 6 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan still needs to be approved from Mozilla management. Statistics show that there are still as many XP users using Firefox as there are Linux and macOS users.<br />
*** If approved SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** There is currently no progress in the bugs and we need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* [Ratty] suggests shipping The HTML Validator as a bundled extension.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* l10n repack hell.<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. ON the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1300547}} Suggestion list dropdown with suggestions not shown.<br />
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Put up a patch to unbreak l10n building for this extension. Use the same method as Pocket in Firefox by copying the en-US files under the l10n locale.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}}.<br />
* This and that. Updated some de help items. Worked in my free time mostly on {{Bug|1300547}}. The temporary fix was broken again in {{Bug|1296638}}.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1312215}} Rendering of XUL checkboxes and radiobuttons focus ring is misaligned with OpenSUSE default desktop theme<br />
** regression for Linux/GTK2 builds since 2.40<br />
Stalled:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
** aboutSupport.{xhtml,js} are Toolkit code<br />
** only aboutSupport.css was forked<br />
Needs feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* End of Daylight Saving Time is coming up, next meeting will be an hour ''later''<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-25&diff=1152524SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-252016-10-25T12:39:05Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=10&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 25 October, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''N/A'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN did circulate a new version of the project areas and is asking for feedback.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
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* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* [25th October 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** <s>All Platforms: Green</s> osx seems to be broken. Windows too.<br />
*** Autocomplete is broken See {{Bug|1300547}}. spellcheckerUI broken today. Should be fixed till 2.49 hits beta but still enough time to fix.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
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* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Currently, 2.46 has hit the proverbial repack brick wall. ({{bug|1231349}})<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Next merges are scheduled for November 7th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release: October 31st).<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
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=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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==== 2.46 planned upcoming release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages:<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up and '''frg''' will adopt it further for SeaMonkeys autocomplete.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.<br />
<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. This will ride the release train, thus allowing users to enable it for testing, hopefully it'll be ready when trunk hits release.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 16 new, 8 fixed, 6 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan still needs to be approved from Mozilla management. Statistics show that there are still as many XP users using Firefox as there are Linux and macOS users.<br />
*** If approved SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** There is currently no progress in the bugs and we need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* [Ratty] suggests shipping The HTML Validator as a bundled extension.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* l10n repack hell.<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. ON the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1300547}} Suggestion list dropdown with suggestions not shown.<br />
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Put up a patch to unbreak l10n building for this extension. Use the same method as Pocket in Firefox by copying the en-US files under the l10n locale.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}}.<br />
* This and that. Updated some de help items. Worked in my free time mostly on {{Bug|1300547}}. The temporary fix was broken again in {{Bug|1296638}}.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1312215}} Rendering of XUL checkboxes and radiobuttons focus ring is misaligned with OpenSUSE default desktop theme<br />
** regression for Linux/GTK2 builds since 2.40<br />
Stalled:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
** aboutSupport.{xhtml,js} are Toolkit code<br />
** only aboutSupport.css was forked<br />
Needs feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* End of Daylight Saving Time is coming up, next meeting will be an hour ''later''<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-25&diff=1152522SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-252016-10-25T12:09:04Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Agenda */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=25&month=10&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 25 October, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''N/A'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN did circulate a new version of the project areas and is asking for feedback.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** Note for this session: due to some weird horkage on the master (my bad), the master had to be restarted(and by restarted, I meant the buildbot process and not the system). The following status isn't updated as I don't have actual information as to the actual status. (Though, I know for sure Trunk is green as that's the only tree that was built since I had restarted the master).<br />
* [25th October 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Green <br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Currently, 2.46 has hit the proverbial repack brick wall. ({{bug|1231349}})<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}.<br />
*** There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
*** a regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes ({{bug|1312215}}).<br />
*** Building releases with gtk2 is only a short time solution. Probably a meta bug for gtk3 compatibility should be created.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Next merges are scheduled for November 7th (mozilla-beta → mozilla-release: October 31st).<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least. '''(landed)'''<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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==== 2.46 planned upcoming release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages:<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. Working patch is up and '''frg''' will adopt it further for SeaMonkeys autocomplete.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1. '''rkent''' is looking into this.<br />
<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported. <br />
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. This will ride the release train, thus allowing users to enable it for testing, hopefully it'll be ready when trunk hits release.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug after the status meeting.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 16 new, 8 fixed, 6 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** Gecko 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. <br />
*** This is tracked in {{bug|1130266}}. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. The plan still needs to be approved from Mozilla management. Statistics show that there are still as many XP users using Firefox as there are Linux and macOS users.<br />
*** If approved SeaMonkey 2.48 (or 2.49 if built from ESR) and Firefox 51 will be the ''last'' retail versions running on WinXP.<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
**** There is currently no progress in the bugs and we need to decide later. '''frg''' suggests doing a separate status meeting for this when Mozillas plans become clearer.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* [Ratty] suggests shipping The HTML Validator as a bundled extension.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website needs to be updated. <br />
** {{Bug|1253932}} tracked the relnotes for 2.40 and could be used as a start point. <br />
** ''' mcsmurf''' knows how to change the site.<br />
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* l10n repack hell.<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. ON the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1300547}} Suggestion list dropdown with suggestions not shown.<br />
* {{Bug|1312266}} Missing Sandboxing prefs in SeaMonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Put up a patch to unbreak l10n building for this extension. Use the same method as Pocket in Firefox by copying the en-US files under the l10n locale.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}}.<br />
* This and that. Updated some de help items. Worked in my free time mostly on {{Bug|1300547}}. The temporary fix was broken again in {{Bug|1296638}}.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1312215}} Rendering of XUL checkboxes and radiobuttons focus ring is misaligned with OpenSUSE default desktop theme<br />
** regression for Linux/GTK2 builds since 2.40<br />
Stalled:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
** aboutSupport.{xhtml,js} are Toolkit code<br />
** only aboutSupport.css was forked<br />
Needs feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* End of Daylight Saving Time is coming up, next meeting will be an hour ''later''<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-11&diff=1150897SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-10-112016-10-11T12:00:19Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Ratty */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=11&month=10&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 11 October, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Firefox 51 will be the last version supporting Windows XP and probably Vista too. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. We need to decide if we want to do a regular ESR release from ESR52 after 2.48. Not sure if we should start to do trial ESR 2.42 builds because ESR 45 is still based on VS2013. '''frg''' has done some local builds using a version scheme 2.xx.xesr eg. currently 2.42.4esr.<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN is planning to circulate a new version of the project areas.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
* [11th October 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running({{bug|1299078}} -post-landed-review.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All Platforms: Busted. ({{bug|1309126}} and probably others..)<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange/Green<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 ('''in progress!'''), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Currently, 2.46 has hit the proverbial repack brick wall. ({{bug|1231349}})<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} is currently causing problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Fixed in {{Bug|1279348}} which is in 2.47+. If possible it should be included in a special m-r SeaMonkey release branch for 2.46.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}. There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time. A patch for gtk2 should be trivial. It just has to land on comm-release prior to building. A one-liner for each mozconfig if we do not have a common one ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr52. These would be 2.49.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges have been performed September 19th (mozilla-beta &rarr; mozilla-release has merged already September 5th with subsequent uplifts).<br />
** Additional l10n merges need to be done by the release manager (de at last is not up to date in release)<br />
** Because of the following bugs updates need to be tested if they are still working:<br />
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
*** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
*** in Gecko 52 ''only'', this will be controlled by a pref plugin.load_flash_only which is planned to be removed with Gecko 53.<br />
**** {{bug|1308273}} flips that pref to allow all plugins in 2.49 at least.<br />
** SeaMonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
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==== 2.46 planned upcoming release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages):<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}. frg will ask mconley for help.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1.<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. This will ride the release train, thus allowing users to enable it for testing, hopefully it'll be ready when trunk hits release.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
** This bug is dead as the next iteration of AMO will not be offering seamonkey specific content. Will be removed from the next status meeting notes.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.<br />
* [ewong] stated that SeaMonkey needs to move to balrog which is the the new updates server/format to do a future 2.47 release.<br />
* [rsx11m] will open a bug for certificate pinning. It is unclear if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey after {{bug|1019259}}. ''&rarr;{{bug|1305902}}''<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 36 new, 9 fixed, 10 triaged.<br />
* medium triaging effort, larger than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 68 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** {{Bug|1303827}} Move Windows XP to Firefox ESR 52<br />
*** Gecko 51 will be the ''last'' retail version running on WinXP<br />
*** At the current time getting 2.46 out is priority one. After release there are several options open which have been discussed. What to do will be decided later:<br />
**** Do ESR and regular releases. Due to a shortage of manpower participants are not sure if this is feasible.<br />
**** Drop XP support with providing an unofficial ESR release optionally.<br />
**** Switch to ESR releases only. Until now only SeaMonkey 2.35 has been built from the ESR branch. After 2.46 a trial 2.42.x / ESR 45 might be built to see if this still works.<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
* [Ratty] suggests shipping The HTML Validator as a bundled extension.<br />
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.<br />
<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
* working on the 2.46 so only had a slight deviation from the release bugs to do a bit of the following:<br />
<br />
* {{bug|1309126}} - nsMsgComposeSecure.cpp: error : no match for 'operator!='<br />
<br />
* majority of the time was finding how to unhork our release builds and (currently) repacks thanks to:<br />
** {{bug|1306543}} - gfxFontconfigFonts.cpp error<br />
** {{bug|1307324}} - WebGLContextDraw.cpp error..<br />
** {{bug|1231349}} -- L10n repacks broken<br />
** {{bug|1293943}} which seemingly affects the Windows l10n release repacks and not the linux ones.<br />
** {{bug|1305909}} - fingerprinting issues from hg.mo.<br />
** and OPERATION MAINTAIN_MY_SANITY, which basically is keeping my sanity from slipping away thanks to these bugs which are preventing us from releasing anything yesterday...<br />
<br />
Whether this is off the record or on the record, I just want to state that 2.46 has got to<br />
be the MOST PAINFUL release I've taken part of and we haven't even gotten to the UPDATES<br />
craziness...<br />
<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to SeaMonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. ON the backburner. Need to look at the icons.<br />
* {{Bug|1300547}} Suggestion list dropdown with suggestions not shown.<br />
* {{Bug|1308273}} Temporary enable all plugins in SeaMonkey 2.49.<br />
* {{Bug|1308741}} obsolete URL in userChrome-example.css & userContent-example.css.<br />
<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}}.<br />
* This and that. Updated some de help items. Worked in my free time mostly on {{Bug|1231349}} and {{Bug|1300547}}.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
I will not participate, mut may be you want to discuss '''[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=13254627&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&product=Websites Problem with many outdated areas at SeaMonkey website]'''? Due to his [https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/SeaMonkey#Web_pages own words] Jens Hatlak no longer is active reviewer, and there is no regular maintenance for the website. Every now and then someone tells he would be interested in working on that, but mostly those volunteers are not persevering, do not follwo (my) advice, ... . May be someone can help ''Amit singh'' to set-up dev environment for SeaMonkey so that he can try to do some [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=13254634&resolution=---&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=%5Bgood%20first%20bug%5D&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&product=Websites trivial fixes]?<br />
<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** {{Bug|995095}} (comm-central part). Import from mozilla-central including history using Mercurial Convert. '''Pushed to comm-central'''.<br />
** {{Bug|1281005}} (mozilla-central part). '''Pushed to mozilla-inbound'''.<br />
* {{Bug|1280698}} Package EmojiOne TTF font on Linux and Windows.<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Coming soon:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
Needs feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1305902}} consider enabling public key pinning on Seamonkey<br />
* {{Bug|1307773}} Manage Identities window is too tall to fit monitor screen ''(MailNews)''<br />
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-09-27&diff=1149375SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-09-272016-09-27T10:00:49Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Ratty */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=27&month=9&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 27 September, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* Firefox will be the last version supporting Windows XP. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. We need to decide if we want to do a regular ESR release from ESR52 after 2.48. Not sure if we should start to do trial ESR 2.42 builds because ESR45 is still based on VS2013. '''frg''' has done some local builds using a version scheme 2.xx.xesr eg. currently 2.42.4esr.<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN is planning to circulate a new version of the project areas.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
* [27th September 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running (but patch is manually applied to master) ({{bug|1299078}})<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** Windows: Busted by {{bug|1305658}}.<br />
*** OSX64: Orange. <br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Busted ({{bug|1299010}})<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Linux32 Build: Busted. possibly {{bug|1293928}}.. (retriggered... busted on -5... busted on -6, but ok with -10. So this could be a system issue.)<br />
*** Others: Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* debugQA has been updated and is now at 2.0.0. The obsolete items were removed. See {{Bug|1258226}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1240798}} Copy default profile files to new profiles since Bug 1234012 stopped doing that for us has been fixed.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<!-- already fixed in the fortnight ending at last meeting<br />
--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 (no ETA yet), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** IanN will give ewong the cSets for building 2.46.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. '''does it still?''' Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}. There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time. A patch for gtk2 should be trivial. It just has to land on comm-release prior to building. A one-liner for each mozconfig if we do not have a common one ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45 (comm-esr52 coming up soon). These would be 2.42.x (2.49.x) releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey. Becomes more unlikely with ESR52 on the horizon (upcoming cycle).<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges have been performed September 19th (mozilla-beta &rarr; mozilla-release has merged already September 5th with subsequent uplifts).<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** at least m-r builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
** Seamonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
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* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
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==== 2.46 planned upcoming release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
* Landed, but may need server-side changes to function correctly:<br />
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages):<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1.<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. This will ride the release train, thus allowing users to enable it for testing, hopefully it'll be ready when trunk hits release.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 13 new, 9 fixed, 5 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 61 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** {{Bug|1303827}} Move Windows XP to Firefox ESR 52<br />
*** Gecko 51 will be the ''last'' retail version running on WinXP<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to Seamonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Need some opinions if to continue or shelve it.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}}. This one is frustrating.<br />
* This and that. Didn't have much time in the last two weeks. Worked with kairo to update de help l10n variables. Mostly complete in 2.47+ now.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Might be fixed in 2.47+ because of {{Bug|1279348}}. Please test and leave feedback in the SeaMonkey bug.<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* VS2015 has been updated. The latest KB3165756 fixes another compiler error but SeaMonkey was not affected as far as I see. SeaMonkey compiles fine with it and the kb will eventually make it into the official builder files. See https://msdn.microsoft.com/de-de/library/mt752379.aspx<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1239707}} Switch to use in-tree version of compare-locales (SeaMonkey Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1300156}} Remove MOZ_SAFE_BROWSING and MOZ_URL_CLASSIFIER from build now that safe browsing configure flag is gone.<br />
* {{Bug|1301974}} (package-manifest.in) Packaging update for SeaMonkey; Sync with Firefox 20140101 to 21040930.<br />
Fixed (more or less):<br />
* Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** {{Bug|995095}} (comm-central part). Import from mozilla-central including history using Mercurial Convert. '''Pushed to comm-central'''.<br />
** {{Bug|1281005}} (mozilla-central part). '''Pushed to mozilla-inbound'''.<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|1280698}} Package EmojiOne TTF font on Linux and Windows. Working on a new patch that centralizes configure on MOZ_BUNDLED_FONTS.<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking.<br />
Investigating/TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1222817}} Restore about:addons UI (Add-ons Manager) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.<br />
** Currently looking for ideas in the stylesheets from the [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ Classicish Add-on Manager]<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1268970}} All mochitests fail with: <tt>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/obj-i686-pc-mingw32\\_tests\\testing\\mochitest\\runtests.py'</tt>.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central and all branches:<br />
* {{Bug|1287753}} In-Reply-To: and References: should be removed from mail saved as Template<br />
** fairly straight port from Thunderbird {{bug|726281}}<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Performing ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-09-27&diff=1149374SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-09-272016-09-27T09:35:06Z<p>Philip Chee: /* 2.Next */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=27&month=9&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 27 September, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* Firefox will be the last version supporting Windows XP. Support for it is moved to ESR 52 in {{bug|1303827}}. We need to decide if we want to do a regular ESR release from ESR52 after 2.48. Not sure if we should start to do trial ESR 2.42 builds because ESR45 is still based on VS2013. '''frg''' has done some local builds using a version scheme 2.xx.xesr eg. currently 2.42.4esr.<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. IanN is planning to circulate a new version of the project areas.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
* [27th September 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently running (but patch is manually applied to master) ({{bug|1299078}})<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** Windows: Busted by {{bug|1305658}}.<br />
*** OSX64: Orange. <br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Busted ({{bug|1299010}})<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Linux32 Build: Busted. possibly {{bug|1293928}}.. (retriggered... busted on -5... busted on -6, but ok with -10. So this could be a system issue.)<br />
*** Others: Pretty much green/orange.<br />
** [comm-release]:<br />
*** Green/Orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* debugQA has been updated and is now at 2.0.0. The obsolete items were removed. See {{Bug|1258226}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1240798}} Copy default profile files to new profiles since Bug 1234012 stopped doing that for us has been fixed.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<!-- already fixed in the fortnight ending at last meeting<br />
--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.46 (no ETA yet), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1302639}} need helping hands.<br />
** IanN will give ewong the cSets for building 2.46.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.46. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. '''does it still?''' Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}. There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time. A patch for gtk2 should be trivial. It just has to land on comm-release prior to building. A one-liner for each mozconfig if we do not have a common one ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}).<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45 (comm-esr52 coming up soon). These would be 2.42.x (2.49.x) releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey. Becomes more unlikely with ESR52 on the horizon (upcoming cycle).<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.<br />
** Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** Merges have been performed September 19th (mozilla-beta &rarr; mozilla-release has merged already September 5th with subsequent uplifts).<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* '''Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52''' ({{bug|1269807}}, [https://www.fxsitecompat.com/en-CA/docs/2015/plug-in-support-will-be-dropped-by-the-end-of-2016-except-flash/], [https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/07/20/reducing-adobe-flash-usage-in-firefox/]).<br />
** at least m-r builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.<br />
** exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per {{bug|1165981}}).<br />
** Seamonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.<br />
** any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
* Landed, but may need server-side changes to function correctly:<br />
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
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* Current breakages):<br />
** {{Bug|1300547}} Form Autocomplete broken by {{Bug|1294502}}. See also {{Bug|1296338}}.<br />
** {{Bug|1299920}} 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1.<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 ({{Bug|1267631}}).<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. This will ride the release train, thus allowing users to enable it for testing, hopefully it'll be ready when trunk hits release.<br />
*** <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server [https://tls13.cloudflare.com] is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.<br />
* [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 13 new, 9 fixed, 5 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 61 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 13 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1269807}} Remove support for all NPAPI plugins (except Flash)<br />
*** for Gecko 52+ retail, ''not'' for 52 ESR branch<br />
** {{Bug|1303827}} Move Windows XP to Firefox ESR 52<br />
*** Gecko 51 will be the ''last'' retail version running on WinXP<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to Seamonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Need some opinions if to continue or shelve it.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1256724}} Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
* {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but again get sidetracked this time by {{Bug|1300547}}. This one is frustrating.<br />
* This and that. Didn't have much time in the last two weeks. Worked with kairo to update de help l10n variables. Mostly complete in 2.47+ now.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page. Might be fixed in 2.47+ because of {{Bug|1279348}}. Please test and leave feedback in the SeaMonkey bug.<br />
* No time for Sync at the moment.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* VS2015 has been updated. The latest KB3165756 fixes another compiler error but SeaMonkey was not affected as far as I see. SeaMonkey compiles fine with it and the kb will eventually make it into the official builder files. See https://msdn.microsoft.com/de-de/library/mt752379.aspx<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central and all branches:<br />
* {{Bug|1287753}} In-Reply-To: and References: should be removed from mail saved as Template<br />
** fairly straight port from Thunderbird {{bug|726281}}<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Performing ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-08-30&diff=1146338SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-08-302016-08-30T22:27:08Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Release Train */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=30&month=8&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 30 August, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''N/A'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. He will change the build configs for it to be picked up.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. There just aren't enough people to go around. IanN will issue a second draft either today or tomorrow on the project areas.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
* [30th August 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently MIA. ({{bug|1299078}} - patch manually applied to master.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All trunk builds are broken due to mozilla-central {{bug|956338}}. No quick fix is possible but Honza Bambas (:mayhemer) is willing to help us. Fixes will be done in comm-central {{Bug|1299116}}<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Busted ({{bug|1299010}})<br />
** [comm-beta, comm-release]:<br />
*** pretty much Green/orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<!-- already fixed in the fortnight ending at last meeting<br />
--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.45 (no ETA yet), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1294432}} need helping hands.<br />
** The patch for {{Bug|1240798}} no longer blocks release. If not ready for 2.45 copying the userchrome samples will be covered in the release notes.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.45. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}. There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time. A patch for gtk2 should be trivial. It just has to land on comm-release prior to building. A one-liner for each mozconfig if we do not have a common one.<br />
See {{Bug|1269145}} and {{Bug|1267982}}.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey. Becomes more unlikely with ESR52 on the horizon.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* l10n builds may be problematic to get out.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** The next merge day is scheduled for September 12th (mozilla-beta &rarr; mozilla-release September 5th).<br />
==== Discussion ====<br />
* AdrianK: Do we even plan to make a release? (I do not mean nightlies - I mean a real release for our users) Or do we intend to do what Mozilla intended for us with Mozilla Suite 1.8b: nightly for ever? Asking, as I haven't seen any work done to produce a release (starting with reviewing the L10n sign-offs) The problem is that no active developer knows the full release procedure with the possible exceptions of Cllek and Kairo.<br />
* Callek: L10n is special snowflakes. But I do want to get someone else ready/trained on the l10n part too, so if there is a volunteer there, I can try and help :-)<br />
* AdrianK I'd do that &ndash; but in three weeks from now I have a deadline &ndash; to finish my masters thesis. So no chance during the next month. Most likely will be available at the end of September or beginning of October.<br />
* See the logs for more detail on the discussion: http://logs.glob.uno/?c=mozilla%23seamonkey#c673112<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
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==== 2.45 planned (and hopefully also for real) next release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
* Landed, but may need server-side changes to function correctly:<br />
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey (2.46+).<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. We can check it in and allow users to enable it for testing, then hope it'll be ready when trunk hits release. Since the strings are in already, we are flexible. '''this has landed on trunk'''<br />
*** At least SeaMonkey trunk is built with an NSS version supporting TLS 1.3, <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server tls13.cloudflare.com is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
* Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 30 new, 17 fixed, 12 triaged.<br />
* medium triaging effort, average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1240798}} Copy default profile files to new profiles since Bug 1234012 stopped doing.<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Update debugQA.<br />
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey. Review done only a question left.<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to Seamonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1289851}} Integrate helpoverlay files now that the Help Viewer is under Suite.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296838}} Tabs with a favicon displayed don't show the loading indicator image.<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set.<br />
* {{Bug|1298657}} Define brandShorterName in Seamonkey and Thunderbird. Trivial just here for notice that de about:support and maybe others might be broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1289794}} Integrate consoleoverlay files. Need just to fix the nits.<br />
<br />
Needs feedback.<br />
* {{Bug|1285798}} Use favicon-service by default in Seamonkey.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
* This and that.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet. No time no progress.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
* Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|973530}} Add UI to access the remote debugger preferences.<br />
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles (revert {{Bug|1161156}} for SeaMonkey).<br />
* {{Bug|1255354}} Create options to open the data manager and the addon manager in standalone windows instead of a browser tab.<br />
* {{Bug|1295672}} Bustage fix due to {{Bug|1294645}} (Don't use NS_CALLBACK for callbacks in nsI{Input,Output,UnicharInput},Stream.idl).<br />
* {{Bug|1296664}} <tt>nsLDAPURL.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "public: virtual enum nsresult __stdcall nsLDAPURL::SetHostAndPort(class nsACString_internal const &)" (?SetHostAndPort@nsLDAPURL@@UAG?AW4nsresult@@ABVnsACString_internal@@@Z)</tt>.<br />
*<br />
In Progress:<br />
* Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** {{Bug|995095}} (comm-central part). IanN prefers to bring the history along. Currently experimenting with Mercurial Convert.<br />
** {{Bug|1281005}} (mozilla-central part).<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking.<br />
Investigating/TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1222817}} Restore about:addons UI (Add-ons Manager) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.<br />
** Currently looking for ideas in the stylesheets from the [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ Classicish Add-on Manager]<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1268970}} All mochitests fail with: <tt>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/obj-i686-pc-mingw32\\_tests\\testing\\mochitest\\runtests.py'</tt>.<br />
* {{Bug|1280698}} Package EmojiOne TTF font on Linux and Windows.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central and all branches:<br />
* {{Bug|1287642}} Open as dialog for Add-ons and Data Manager should no longer be associated with browser.link.open_external<br />
Landed on mozilla-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1297546}} Title of Default Developer Tools in Toolbox Options should not hard-code the application name ''(devtools)''<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
* {{Bug|1286703}} On reply to a own sent email the original sender identity is not chosen if other than the account default identity<br />
* {{Bug|1292364}} Since jsmime.js, no longer possible to use Disposition-Notification-To in mail.compose.other.header<br />
* {{Bug|1287289}} Add checkboxes to open the data manager and the addon manager in standalone windows instead of a browser tab<br />
Waiting for branch approval:<br />
* {{Bug|1286703}} On reply to a own sent email the original sender identity is not chosen if other than the account default identity<br />
* {{Bug|1292364}} Since jsmime.js, no longer possible to use Disposition-Notification-To in mail.compose.other.header<br />
Waiting for review:<br />
* {{Bug|1287753}} In-Reply-To: and References: should be removed from mail saved as Template<br />
** fairly straight port from Thunderbird {{bug|726281}}<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Performing ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-08-30&diff=1146334SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-08-302016-08-30T22:02:38Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=30&month=8&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 30 August, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''N/A'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. He will change the build configs for it to be picked up.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. There just aren't enough people to go around. IanN will issue a second draft either today or tomorrow on the project areas.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
* [30th August 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently MIA. ({{bug|1299078}} - patch manually applied to master.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** All trunk builds are broken due to mozilla-central {{bug|956338}}. No quick fix is possible but Honza Bambas (:mayhemer) is willing to help us. Fixes will be done in comm-central {{Bug|1299116}}<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Busted ({{bug|1299010}})<br />
** [comm-beta, comm-release]:<br />
*** pretty much Green/orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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--><br />
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=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.45 (no ETA yet), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1294432}} need helping hands.<br />
** The patch for {{Bug|1240798}} no longer blocks release. If not ready for 2.45 copying the userchrome samples will be covered in the release notes.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.45. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}. There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time. A patch for gtk2 should be trivial. It just has to land on comm-release prior to building. A one-liner for each mozconfig if we do not have a common one.<br />
See {{Bug|1269145}} and {{Bug|1267982}}.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey. Becomes more unlikely with ESR52 on the horizon.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** next merge day is scheduled for September 12th (mozilla-beta &rarr; mozilla-release September 5th).<br />
* l10n builds may be problematic to get out.<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
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====== 2.41 skipped ======<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey241&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey240&v2=2.41 fixed] (26)<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.42 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey242&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.42 fixed] (21)<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
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==== 2.45 planned (and hopefully also for real) next release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
* Landed, but may need server-side changes to function correctly:<br />
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey (2.46+).<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. We can check it in and allow users to enable it for testing, then hope it'll be ready when trunk hits release. Since the strings are in already, we are flexible. '''this has landed on trunk'''<br />
*** At least SeaMonkey trunk is built with an NSS version supporting TLS 1.3, <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server tls13.cloudflare.com is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
* Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 30 new, 17 fixed, 12 triaged.<br />
* medium triaging effort, average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1240798}} Copy default profile files to new profiles since Bug 1234012 stopped doing.<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Update debugQA.<br />
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey. Review done only a question left.<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to Seamonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1289851}} Integrate helpoverlay files now that the Help Viewer is under Suite.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296838}} Tabs with a favicon displayed don't show the loading indicator image.<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set.<br />
* {{Bug|1298657}} Define brandShorterName in Seamonkey and Thunderbird. Trivial just here for notice that de about:support and maybe others might be broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1289794}} Integrate consoleoverlay files. Need just to fix the nits.<br />
<br />
Needs feedback.<br />
* {{Bug|1285798}} Use favicon-service by default in Seamonkey.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
* This and that.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet. No time no progress.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
* Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|973530}} Add UI to access the remote debugger preferences.<br />
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles (revert {{Bug|1161156}} for SeaMonkey).<br />
* {{Bug|1255354}} Create options to open the data manager and the addon manager in standalone windows instead of a browser tab.<br />
* {{Bug|1295672}} Bustage fix due to {{Bug|1294645}} (Don't use NS_CALLBACK for callbacks in nsI{Input,Output,UnicharInput},Stream.idl).<br />
* {{Bug|1296664}} <tt>nsLDAPURL.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "public: virtual enum nsresult __stdcall nsLDAPURL::SetHostAndPort(class nsACString_internal const &)" (?SetHostAndPort@nsLDAPURL@@UAG?AW4nsresult@@ABVnsACString_internal@@@Z)</tt>.<br />
*<br />
In Progress:<br />
* Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** {{Bug|995095}} (comm-central part). IanN prefers to bring the history along. Currently experimenting with Mercurial Convert.<br />
** {{Bug|1281005}} (mozilla-central part).<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking.<br />
Investigating/TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1222817}} Restore about:addons UI (Add-ons Manager) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.<br />
** Currently looking for ideas in the stylesheets from the [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ Classicish Add-on Manager]<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1268970}} All mochitests fail with: <tt>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/obj-i686-pc-mingw32\\_tests\\testing\\mochitest\\runtests.py'</tt>.<br />
* {{Bug|1280698}} Package EmojiOne TTF font on Linux and Windows.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central and all branches:<br />
* {{Bug|1287642}} Open as dialog for Add-ons and Data Manager should no longer be associated with browser.link.open_external<br />
Landed on mozilla-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1297546}} Title of Default Developer Tools in Toolbox Options should not hard-code the application name ''(devtools)''<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
* {{Bug|1286703}} On reply to a own sent email the original sender identity is not chosen if other than the account default identity<br />
* {{Bug|1292364}} Since jsmime.js, no longer possible to use Disposition-Notification-To in mail.compose.other.header<br />
* {{Bug|1287289}} Add checkboxes to open the data manager and the addon manager in standalone windows instead of a browser tab<br />
Waiting for branch approval:<br />
* {{Bug|1286703}} On reply to a own sent email the original sender identity is not chosen if other than the account default identity<br />
* {{Bug|1292364}} Since jsmime.js, no longer possible to use Disposition-Notification-To in mail.compose.other.header<br />
Waiting for review:<br />
* {{Bug|1287753}} In-Reply-To: and References: should be removed from mail saved as Template<br />
** fairly straight port from Thunderbird {{bug|726281}}<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Performing ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-08-30&diff=1146330SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-08-302016-08-30T21:51:58Z<p>Philip Chee: </p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=30&month=8&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 30 August, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''N/A'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. He will change the build configs for it to be picked up.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. There just aren't enough people to go around. IanN will issue a second draft either today or tomorrow on the project areas.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
<br />
* Various Bugs open for building.<br />
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}<br />
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
* [30th August 2016]<br />
** All nightlies are currently MIA. ({{bug|1299078}} - patch manually applied to master.)<br />
** [comm-central]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Orange.<br />
** [comm-aurora]:<br />
*** Linux*: Green<br />
*** OSX64: Busted ({{bug|1299010}})<br />
** [comm-beta, comm-release]:<br />
*** pretty much Green/orange.<br />
<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.45 (no ETA yet), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1294432}} need helping hands.<br />
** The patch for {{Bug|1240798}} no longer blocks release. If not ready for 2.45 copying the userchrome samples will be covered in the release notes.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.45. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}. There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time. A patch for gtk2 should be trivial. It just has to land on comm-release prior to building. A one-liner for each mozconfig if we do not have a common one.<br />
See {{Bug|1269145}} and {{Bug|1267982}}.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey. Becomes more unlikely with ESR52 on the horizon.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** next merge day is scheduled for September 12th (mozilla-beta &rarr; mozilla-release September 5th).<br />
* l10n builds may be problematic to get out.<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
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* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)<br />
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==== 2.45 planned (and hopefully also for real) next release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
* Landed, but may need server-side changes to function correctly:<br />
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey (2.46+).<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. We can check it in and allow users to enable it for testing, then hope it'll be ready when trunk hits release. Since the strings are in already, we are flexible. '''this has landed on trunk'''<br />
*** At least SeaMonkey trunk is built with an NSS version supporting TLS 1.3, <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server tls13.cloudflare.com is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
* Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 30 new, 17 fixed, 12 triaged.<br />
* medium triaging effort, average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1240798}} Copy default profile files to new profiles since Bug 1234012 stopped doing.<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Update debugQA.<br />
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey. Review done only a question left.<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to Seamonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1289851}} Integrate helpoverlay files now that the Help Viewer is under Suite.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296838}} Tabs with a favicon displayed don't show the loading indicator image.<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set.<br />
* {{Bug|1298657}} Define brandShorterName in Seamonkey and Thunderbird. Trivial just here for notice that de about:support and maybe others might be broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1289794}} Integrate consoleoverlay files. Need just to fix the nits.<br />
<br />
Needs feedback.<br />
* {{Bug|1285798}} Use favicon-service by default in Seamonkey.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
* This and that.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet. No time no progress.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
* Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|973530}} Add UI to access the remote debugger preferences.<br />
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles (revert {{Bug|1161156}} for SeaMonkey).<br />
* {{Bug|1255354}} Create options to open the data manager and the addon manager in standalone windows instead of a browser tab.<br />
* {{Bug|1295672}} Bustage fix due to {{Bug|1294645}} (Don't use NS_CALLBACK for callbacks in nsI{Input,Output,UnicharInput},Stream.idl).<br />
* {{Bug|1296664}} <tt>nsLDAPURL.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "public: virtual enum nsresult __stdcall nsLDAPURL::SetHostAndPort(class nsACString_internal const &)" (?SetHostAndPort@nsLDAPURL@@UAG?AW4nsresult@@ABVnsACString_internal@@@Z)</tt>.<br />
*<br />
In Progress:<br />
* Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** {{Bug|995095}} (comm-central part). IanN prefers to bring the history along. Currently experimenting with Mercurial Convert.<br />
** {{Bug|1281005}} (mozilla-central part).<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking.<br />
Investigating/TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1222817}} Restore about:addons UI (Add-ons Manager) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.<br />
** Currently looking for ideas in the stylesheets from the [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ Classicish Add-on Manager]<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1268970}} All mochitests fail with: <tt>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/obj-i686-pc-mingw32\\_tests\\testing\\mochitest\\runtests.py'</tt>.<br />
* {{Bug|1280698}} Package EmojiOne TTF font on Linux and Windows.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central and all branches:<br />
* {{Bug|1287642}} Open as dialog for Add-ons and Data Manager should no longer be associated with browser.link.open_external<br />
Landed on mozilla-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1297546}} Title of Default Developer Tools in Toolbox Options should not hard-code the application name ''(devtools)''<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
* {{Bug|1286703}} On reply to a own sent email the original sender identity is not chosen if other than the account default identity<br />
* {{Bug|1292364}} Since jsmime.js, no longer possible to use Disposition-Notification-To in mail.compose.other.header<br />
* {{Bug|1287289}} Add checkboxes to open the data manager and the addon manager in standalone windows instead of a browser tab<br />
Waiting for branch approval:<br />
* {{Bug|1286703}} On reply to a own sent email the original sender identity is not chosen if other than the account default identity<br />
* {{Bug|1292364}} Since jsmime.js, no longer possible to use Disposition-Notification-To in mail.compose.other.header<br />
Waiting for review:<br />
* {{Bug|1287753}} In-Reply-To: and References: should be removed from mail saved as Template<br />
** fairly straight port from Thunderbird {{bug|726281}}<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled<br />
** not exactly clear where this is supposed to go<br />
Performing ui-review:<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-08-30&diff=1146107SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-08-302016-08-29T11:16:15Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Ratty */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=30&month=8&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 30 August, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. He will change the build configs for it to be picked up.<br />
* '''IanN''' has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. There just aren't enough people to go around. IanN will compose a new Draft after feedback from the first one is incorporated.<br />
* '''frg''' suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.<br />
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. '''Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner'''.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
** Various Bugs open for building.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
*** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.<br />
*** Windows building on the loaner works.<br />
*** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.<br />
** [16th August 2016]<br />
*** [comm-central]:<br />
**** All en-US platforms, even Windows, have been built successfully at least once, and most of them regularly, since the previous meeting. At the moment the most hiccups happen on the Mac.<br />
**** Post-merge nightlies are being published for L32 and L64. Otherwise W32(31-Jul), Mac(01-Aug) just before the merge.<br />
***** OSX64: Builds are backlogged; but currently busted.<br />
*** [comm-aurora]:<br />
**** Only Mac builds are missing. Latest one from 30-Jul.<br />
***** ({{bug|1295399}} but it could be a dupe of {{bug|1293928}}, which fixed c-c; but TB's related patch was pushed in April, so we were pretty much sitting on this for two months and since OSX64 slaves have been backlogged for so long.. not surprised this was missed.)<br />
*** [comm-beta]:<br />
**** No 2.46 nightlies yet. 2.46 tinderbox-builds exist for L32, L64 and Mac. Also 2.45 (11-Aug) for W32 (done only on request on the loaner).<br />
*** [comm-release]:<br />
**** 2.45 tinderbox-builds exist for L32 and L64, Mac and for Windows (12-Aug).<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.45 (no ETA yet), tracked in {{Bug|1294433}}<br />
** Release notes in {{Bug|1294432}} need helping hands.<br />
** The patch for {{Bug|1240798}} no longer blocks release. If not ready for 2.45 copying the userchrome samples will be covered in the release notes.<br />
** Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in {{Bug|1265881}} and will not be fixed for 2.45. It needs to be added to the release notes.<br />
** {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
** gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in {{Bug|1213152}}. There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time.<br />
See {{Bug|1269145}} and {{Bug|1267982}}.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey. Becomes more unlikely with ESR52 on the horizon.<br />
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
** next merge day is scheduled for September 12th (mozilla-beta &rarr; mozilla-release September 5th).<br />
* l10n builds may be problematic to get out.<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them ''(or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build)''. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.<br />
** Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See {{Bug|1291749}}.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
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==== 2.45 planned (and hopefully also for real) next release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick:<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
* Landed, but may need server-side changes to function correctly:<br />
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey (2.46+).<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** '''about:addons''' yet to come {{Bug|1222817}}<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil'''.<br />
** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. We can check it in and allow users to enable it for testing, then hope it'll be ready when trunk hits release. Since the strings are in already, we are flexible.<br />
*** At least SeaMonkey trunk is built with an NSS version supporting TLS 1.3, <code>security.tls.version.max</code> remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server tls13.cloudflare.com is available.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
* Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 27 new, 14 fixed, 12 triaged.<br />
* medium triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 76 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 15 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
<br />
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.<br />
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.<br />
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.<br />
** System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in {{Bug|1208822}}.<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1240798}} Copy default profile files to new profiles since Bug 1234012 stopped doing.<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Update debugQA.<br />
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey. Review done only a question left.<br />
* {{Bug|1282227}} Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to Seamonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. <br />
* {{Bug|1289851}} Integrate helpoverlay files now that the Help Viewer is under Suite.<br />
* {{Bug|1293618}} "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).<br />
* {{Bug|1296838}} Tabs with a favicon displayed don't show the loading indicator image.<br />
* {{Bug|1296839}} Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.<br />
* {{Bug|1296850}} Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set.<br />
* {{Bug|1298657}} Define brandShorterName in Seamonkey and Thunderbird. Trivial just here for notice that de about:support and maybe others might be broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1289794}} Integrate consoleoverlay files. Need just to fix the nits.<br />
<br />
Needs feedback.<br />
* {{Bug|1285798}} Use favicon-service by default in Seamonkey.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
* This and that.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet. No time no progress.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
* Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|973530}} Add UI to access the remote debugger preferences.<br />
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles (revert {{Bug|1161156}} for SeaMonkey).<br />
* {{Bug|1255354}} Create options to open the data manager and the addon manager in standalone windows instead of a browser tab.<br />
* {{Bug|1295672}} Bustage fix due to {{Bug|1294645}} (Don't use NS_CALLBACK for callbacks in nsI{Input,Output,UnicharInput},Stream.idl).<br />
* {{Bug|1296664}} <tt>nsLDAPURL.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "public: virtual enum nsresult __stdcall nsLDAPURL::SetHostAndPort(class nsACString_internal const &)" (?SetHostAndPort@nsLDAPURL@@UAG?AW4nsresult@@ABVnsACString_internal@@@Z)</tt>.<br />
*<br />
In Progress:<br />
* Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** {{Bug|995095}} (comm-central part). IanN prefers to bring the history along. Currently experimenting with Mercurial Convert.<br />
** {{Bug|1281005}} (mozilla-central part).<br />
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking.<br />
Investigating/TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1222817}} Restore about:addons UI (Add-ons Manager) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.<br />
** Currently looking for ideas in the stylesheets from the [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ Classicish Add-on Manager]<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1268970}} All mochitests fail with: <tt>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/obj-i686-pc-mingw32\\_tests\\testing\\mochitest\\runtests.py'</tt>.<br />
* {{Bug|1280698}} Package EmojiOne TTF font on Linux and Windows.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central and all branches:<br />
* {{Bug|1287642}} Open as dialog for Add-ons and Data Manager should no longer be associated with browser.link.open_external<br />
Landed on mozilla-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1297546}} Title of Default Developer Tools in Toolbox Options should not hard-code the application name ''(devtools)''<br />
Ready to land:<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}<br />
** still somewhat uncertain when the checkbox should be exposed, activity is ongoing<br />
Needs a new patch for check-in:<br />
* {{Bug|1286703}} On reply to a own sent email the original sender identity is not chosen if other than the account default identity<br />
** ports Thunderbird {{bug|903390}} to SeaMonkey (MailNews part landed with that bug)<br />
** also fixes issue from {{bug|1265534}} when switching signatures in Paragraph mode<br />
Waiting for review:<br />
* {{Bug|1292364}} Since jsmime.js, no longer possible to use Disposition-Notification-To in mail.compose.other.header<br />
** ports Thunderbird {{bug|1250376}} for custom headers in the composition window to SeaMonkey<br />
* {{Bug|1287753}} In-Reply-To: and References: should be removed from mail saved as Template<br />
** fairly straight port from Thunderbird {{bug|726281}}<br />
* {{Bug|1287289}} Add checkboxes to open the data manager and the addon manager in standalone windows instead of a browser tab<br />
** got ui-review, waiting for IanN's review<br />
Looking into:<br />
* {{Bug|1296433}} Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme<br />
** follows up on {{bug|1222818}}<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-21&diff=1137249SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-212016-06-21T13:01:23Z<p>Philip Chee: /* 2.Next */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=6&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 21 June, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''rsx11m''' for fixing some frontend things.<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing. <br />
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. There just aren't enough people to go around. We probably need to reduce the number of areas or group them together.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
* frg and Rainer_Bielefeld have offered to help KaiRo with the de locale translation.<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
** Various Bugs open for building OSX and Linux.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Linux64 Nightly: busted due to {{bug|1275215}}<br />
*** Linux64 build: busted due to {{bug|1275218}}<br />
** The team is unhappy with the current build bot situation but still commited to get it resolved as possible. It was suggested that the unofficial '''adriank''' builds might somehow be uploaded as official builds until the build bots are fixed. ''' adriank''' will speak with '''Callek''' if this is possible.<br />
** [21st June 2016]<br />
*** [comm-central]<br />
**** All platforms: busted due to {{bug|1281086}}<br />
*** [comm-aurora]<br />
**** All platforms (Nightlies): busted due to the crash-symbols token needs updating. [Fixed]<br />
*** [comm-beta, comm-release]:<br />
**** Aside for the Windows-monkey-on-my-back {{bug|1271903}}, these trees haven't been infected by the bustage that has infected c-c and c-a (yet). [Give them time... I'm sure that can be 'fixed'.]<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* Nothing new here<br />
<!-- already fixed in the fortnight ending at last meeting<br />
--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.44 (no ETA yet). 2.43 will be skipped also.<br />
* {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.44. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox but will not be backed out there.<br />
* {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.<br />
* Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* comm-beta is back on the regular track with TB 47.0b1 having been tagged.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
<!-- let's maintain two sections, this one for the *current* release --><br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
<br />
==== 2.41 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey241&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey240&v2=2.41 fixed] (26)<br />
<br />
==== 2.42 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.42 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey242&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.42 fixed] (21)<br />
<br />
==== 2.43 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&v2=2.43 fixed] (10)<br />
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==== 2.44 planned next release ====<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.44 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey244&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey243&v2=2.44 fixed] (20)<br />
<br />
==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick.<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
* In progress.<br />
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.<br />
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.<br />
** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
*** There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. We can check it in and allow users to enable it for testing, then hope it'll be ready when trunk hits release. Since the strings are in already, we are flexible.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 30 new, 13 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, larger than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 63 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features. <br />
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.<br />
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.<br />
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
<br />
* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official"&nbsp;?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)<br />
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora &amp; 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".<br />
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".<br />
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)<br />
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''<u>Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.</u>'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added.<br />
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed Firefox {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46 and 47. <br />
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.45 and 2.46 unusable. url bar does not change.<br />
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1278633}} about:performance not working in Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1279206}} Password icons.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* Please lets do something about the infrastructure. This su*cks!<br />
* Seamonkey compiles fine with VS2015 Update 3 RC. Update 3 uses a new optimizer per default which so far doesn't seem to cause any visible problems in daily browsing.<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.<br />
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
; currently working on:<br />
* '''''[https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/04/27/help-cleanup/ Help cleanup] '''''<br />
* ''''' [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=resolution&y_axis_field=component&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&emailtype2=substring&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=%5BBug+creation%5B&chfieldvalue=&chfieldfrom=2016-06-06&chfieldto=2016-06-21&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap Bug reports] and [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=user_activity.html&action=run&who=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&from=-20d&to=-0d&group=when confirming]''''' as usual <br /><br />
<br /><br />
; Might be worth to be discussed:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey homepage'''''<br />
** As already mentioned for [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-04-12]] currently maintenance for [http://www.seamonkey-project.org SeaMonkey Home Page] is more or less [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=13075253&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&product=Websites out of service], [[Talk:Modules/SeaMonkey|and nobody is interested in that problem]]. The Council should initiate a solution, if Jens Hatlak can't do the [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Websites&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&resolution=FIXED&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap complete job] any longer he at least should try to try to find volunteers as supporters or even a successor. <br /><br />
; Questions:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Help'''''<br />
** thoughts concerning "{{Bug|1279416}} - Decide how to handle User Documentation what has been moved to www-archive.mozilla.org"?<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Localization'''''<br />
** My experience from Help cleanup: there is absolutely no clear proceeding how localization teams get knowledge concerning code changes with relevance for their area and how a tracking for fixes of every affected language can work; and it's completely useless to ask (mozilla.dev.l10n, ...), they don't know themselves. If there is no suggestion for a different solution what will work, creating separate localization Bugs for every affected Language with word "SeaMonkey" in Summary is the the only known method what allows systematic work. Thoughs? Suggestions?<br />
<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
* Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1222817}} Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.<br />
** Currently looking for ideas in the stylesheets from the [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ Classicish Add-on Manager]<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1268970}} All mochitests fail with: <tt>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/obj-i686-pc-mingw32\\_tests\\testing\\mochitest\\runtests.py'</tt>.<br />
* {{Bug|1280698}} Package EmojiOne TTF font on Linux and Windows.<br />
TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1276458}} Update all existing callers of nsICookieManager2.add() and nsICookieManager2.getCookiesFromHost() to make them origin attributes aware.<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1276951}} add --enable-calendar to mozconfigs now that we are shipping Lightning with SeaMonkey (also disable addon signing requirements and package js-shell)<br />
* {{Bug|1277293}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (SeaMonkey Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277299}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (Thunderbird Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277305}} nsDragAndDrop.js: fix trailing spaces (Bug 1245649: Turn on no-trailing-spaces) plus followup to {{Bug|1174601}}<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|995095}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** {{Bug|1281005}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite (mozilla-central part).<br />
** Mozilla-central {{Bug|1223728}} Removed the unifiedcomplete pref and the urlinline component. The remaining nsPlacesAutocomplete component will be removed too unless we move it to comm-central/suite/. Note we never used the urlinline component.<br />
** Alternatively use unified autocomplete by replacing <tt>autocompletesearch="history"</tt> with <tt>"unifiedcomplete"</tt>. The latter includes history but with other stuff too.<br />
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles (revert {{Bug|1161156}} for SeaMonkey).<br />
* Classic and Modern theme: CSS styles for about:networking.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central/aurora/beta:<br />
* {{Bug|1280058}} Warning for destructive retention settings for POP and IMAP accounts shouldn't be shown for Local Folders ''(MailNews)''<br />
* {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** patch by rstrong, adapted from Firefox patch in {{bug|1271761}}<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition and allow Paragraph mode as default<br />
* {{Bug|1275941}} Trim white-space characters from calendar.useragent.extra to avoid redundant spaces in the user-agent string ''(Calendar)''<br />
Ready to land:<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}<br />
** still somewhat uncertain when the checkbox should be exposed, activity is ongoing<br />
Waiting for reviews:<br />
* {{Bug|1275679}} Add option to the HTTP Networking preferences to disable Lightning user-agent addition<br />
** counterpart of the Firefox checkbox now that Lightning is bundled by default<br />
Preliminary patches:<br />
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working<br />
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-21&diff=1137246SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-212016-06-21T12:43:37Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=6&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 21 June, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''rsx11m''' for fixing some frontend things.<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing. <br />
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. There just aren't enough people to go around. We probably need to reduce the number of areas or group them together.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
* frg and Rainer_Bielefeld have offered to help KaiRo with the de locale translation.<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
** Various Bugs open for building OSX and Linux.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Linux64 Nightly: busted due to {{bug|1275215}}<br />
*** Linux64 build: busted due to {{bug|1275218}}<br />
** The team is unhappy with the current build bot situation but still commited to get it resolved as possible. It was suggested that the unofficial '''adriank''' builds might somehow be uploaded as official builds until the build bots are fixed. ''' adriank''' will speak with '''Callek''' if this is possible.<br />
** [21st June 2016]<br />
*** [comm-central]<br />
**** All platforms: busted due to {{bug|1281086}}<br />
*** [comm-aurora]<br />
**** All platforms (Nightlies): busted due to the crash-symbols token needs updating. [Fixed]<br />
*** [comm-beta, comm-release]:<br />
**** Aside for the Windows-monkey-on-my-back {{bug|1271903}}, these trees haven't been infected by the bustage that has infected c-c and c-a (yet). [Give them time... I'm sure that can be 'fixed'.]<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* Nothing new here<br />
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<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.44 (no ETA yet). 2.43 will be skipped also.<br />
* {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.44. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox but will not be backed out there.<br />
* {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.<br />
* Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* comm-beta is back on the regular track with TB 47.0b1 having been tagged.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* '''Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.'''<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick.<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
* In progress.<br />
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** &mdash;<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.<br />
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.<br />
** We've picked up he default for <tt>security.tls.version.min</tt> from Mozilla Core, but <tt>security.tls.version.fallback-limit</tt> is new. <s>So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI ({{Bug|1123673}})</s> '''WONTFIX'''.<br />
*** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 30 new, 13 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, larger than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 63 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features. <br />
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.<br />
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.<br />
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
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* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official"&nbsp;?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)<br />
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora &amp; 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".<br />
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".<br />
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)<br />
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''<u>Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.</u>'''<br />
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Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
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Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added.<br />
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed Firefox {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46 and 47. <br />
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.45 and 2.46 unusable. url bar does not change.<br />
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1278633}} about:performance not working in Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1279206}} Password icons.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* Please lets do something about the infrastructure. This su*cks!<br />
* Seamonkey compiles fine with VS2015 Update 3 RC. Update 3 uses a new optimizer per default which so far doesn't seem to cause any visible problems in daily browsing.<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.<br />
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
; currently working on:<br />
* '''''[https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/04/27/help-cleanup/ Help cleanup] '''''<br />
* ''''' [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=resolution&y_axis_field=component&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&emailtype2=substring&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=%5BBug+creation%5B&chfieldvalue=&chfieldfrom=2016-06-06&chfieldto=2016-06-21&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap Bug reports] and [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=user_activity.html&action=run&who=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&from=-20d&to=-0d&group=when confirming]''''' as usual <br /><br />
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; Might be worth to be discussed:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey homepage'''''<br />
** As already mentioned for [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-04-12]] currently maintenance for [http://www.seamonkey-project.org SeaMonkey Home Page] is more or less [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=13075253&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&product=Websites out of service], [[Talk:Modules/SeaMonkey|and nobody is interested in that problem]]. The Council should initiate a solution, if Jens Hatlak can't do the [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Websites&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&resolution=FIXED&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap complete job] any longer he at least should try to try to find volunteers as supporters or even a successor. <br /><br />
; Questions:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Help'''''<br />
** thoughts concerning "{{Bug|1279416}} - Decide how to handle User Documentation what has been moved to www-archive.mozilla.org"?<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Localization'''''<br />
** My experience from Help cleanup: there is absolutely no clear proceeding how localization teams get knowledge concerning code changes with relevance for their area and how a tracking for fixes of every affected language can work; and it's completely useless to ask (mozilla.dev.l10n, ...), they don't know themselves. If there is no suggestion for a different solution what will work, creating separate localization Bugs for every affected Language with word "SeaMonkey" in Summary is the the only known method what allows systematic work. Thoughs? Suggestions?<br />
<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
* Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1222817}} Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.<br />
** Currently looking for ideas in the stylesheets from the [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ Classicish Add-on Manager]<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1268970}} All mochitests fail with: <tt>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/obj-i686-pc-mingw32\\_tests\\testing\\mochitest\\runtests.py'</tt>.<br />
* {{Bug|1280698}} Package EmojiOne TTF font on Linux and Windows.<br />
TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1276458}} Update all existing callers of nsICookieManager2.add() and nsICookieManager2.getCookiesFromHost() to make them origin attributes aware.<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1276951}} add --enable-calendar to mozconfigs now that we are shipping Lightning with SeaMonkey (also disable addon signing requirements and package js-shell)<br />
* {{Bug|1277293}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (SeaMonkey Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277299}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (Thunderbird Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277305}} nsDragAndDrop.js: fix trailing spaces (Bug 1245649: Turn on no-trailing-spaces) plus followup to {{Bug|1174601}}<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|995095}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** {{Bug|1281005}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite (mozilla-central part).<br />
** Mozilla-central {{Bug|1223728}} Removed the unifiedcomplete pref and the urlinline component. The remaining nsPlacesAutocomplete component will be removed too unless we move it to comm-central/suite/. Note we never used the urlinline component.<br />
** Alternatively use unified autocomplete by replacing <tt>autocompletesearch="history"</tt> with <tt>"unifiedcomplete"</tt>. The latter includes history but with other stuff too.<br />
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles (revert {{Bug|1161156}} for SeaMonkey).<br />
* Classic and Modern theme: CSS styles for about:networking.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central/aurora/beta:<br />
* {{Bug|1280058}} Warning for destructive retention settings for POP and IMAP accounts shouldn't be shown for Local Folders ''(MailNews)''<br />
* {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** patch by rstrong, adapted from Firefox patch in {{bug|1271761}}<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition and allow Paragraph mode as default<br />
* {{Bug|1275941}} Trim white-space characters from calendar.useragent.extra to avoid redundant spaces in the user-agent string ''(Calendar)''<br />
Ready to land:<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}<br />
** still somewhat uncertain when the checkbox should be exposed, activity is ongoing<br />
Waiting for reviews:<br />
* {{Bug|1275679}} Add option to the HTTP Networking preferences to disable Lightning user-agent addition<br />
** counterpart of the Firefox checkbox now that Lightning is bundled by default<br />
Preliminary patches:<br />
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working<br />
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-21&diff=1137245SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-212016-06-21T12:35:37Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=6&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 21 June, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''rsx11m''' for fixing some frontend things.<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing. <br />
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. There just aren't enough people to go around. We probably need to reduce the number of areas or group them together.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
* frg and Rainer_Bielefeld have offered to help KaiRo with the de locale translation.<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
** Various Bugs open for building OSX and Linux.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Linux64 Nightly: busted due to {{bug|1275215}}<br />
*** Linux64 build: busted due to {{bug|1275218}}<br />
** The team is unhappy with the current build bot situation but still commited to get it resolved as possible. It was suggested that the unofficial '''adriank''' builds might somehow be uploaded as official builds until the build bots are fixed. ''' adriank''' will speak with '''Callek''' if this is possible.<br />
** [21st June 2016]<br />
*** [comm-central]<br />
**** All platforms: busted due to {{bug|1281086}}<br />
*** [comm-aurora]<br />
**** All platforms (Nightlies): busted due to the crash-symbols token needs updating. [Fixed]<br />
*** [comm-beta, comm-release]:<br />
**** Aside for the Windows-monkey-on-my-back {{bug|1271903}}, these trees haven't been infected by the bustage that has infected c-c and c-a (yet). [Give them time... I'm sure that can be 'fixed'.]<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* Nothing new here<br />
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--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.44 (no ETA yet). 2.43 will be skipped also.<br />
* {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.44. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox but will not be backed out there.<br />
* {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.<br />
* Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* comm-beta is back on the regular track with TB 47.0b1 having been tagged.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
<!-- let's maintain two sections, this one for the *current* release --><br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
<br />
==== 2.41 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey241&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey240&v2=2.41 fixed] (26)<br />
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==== 2.42 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.42 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey242&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.42 fixed] (21)<br />
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==== 2.43 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&v2=2.43 fixed] (10)<br />
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==== 2.44 planned next release ====<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.44 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey244&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey243&v2=2.44 fixed] (20)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick.<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
* In progress.<br />
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.<br />
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.<br />
** We've picked up he default for <tt>security.tls.version.min</tt> from Mozilla Core, but <tt>security.tls.version.fallback-limit</tt> is new. <s>So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI ({{Bug|1123673}})</s> '''WONTFIX'''.<br />
*** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 30 new, 13 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, larger than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 63 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features. <br />
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.<br />
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.<br />
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
<br />
* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official"&nbsp;?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)<br />
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora &amp; 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".<br />
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".<br />
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)<br />
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''<u>Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.</u>'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added.<br />
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed Firefox {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46 and 47. <br />
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.45 and 2.46 unusable. url bar does not change.<br />
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1278633}} about:performance not working in Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1279206}} Password icons.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* Please lets do something about the infrastructure. This su*cks!<br />
* Seamonkey compiles fine with VS2015 Update 3 RC. Update 3 uses a new optimizer per default which so far doesn't seem to cause any visible problems in daily browsing.<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.<br />
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
; currently working on:<br />
* '''''[https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/04/27/help-cleanup/ Help cleanup] '''''<br />
* ''''' [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=resolution&y_axis_field=component&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&emailtype2=substring&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=%5BBug+creation%5B&chfieldvalue=&chfieldfrom=2016-06-06&chfieldto=2016-06-21&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap Bug reports] and [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=user_activity.html&action=run&who=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&from=-20d&to=-0d&group=when confirming]''''' as usual <br /><br />
<br /><br />
; Might be worth to be discussed:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey homepage'''''<br />
** As already mentioned for [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-04-12]] currently maintenance for [http://www.seamonkey-project.org SeaMonkey Home Page] is more or less [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=13075253&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&product=Websites out of service], [[Talk:Modules/SeaMonkey|and nobody is interested in that problem]]. The Council should initiate a solution, if Jens Hatlak can't do the [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Websites&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&resolution=FIXED&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap complete job] any longer he at least should try to try to find volunteers as supporters or even a successor. <br /><br />
; Questions:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Help'''''<br />
** thoughts concerning "{{Bug|1279416}} - Decide how to handle User Documentation what has been moved to www-archive.mozilla.org"?<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Localization'''''<br />
** My experience from Help cleanup: there is absolutely no clear proceeding how localization teams get knowledge concerning code changes with relevance for their area and how a tracking for fixes of every affected language can work; and it's completely useless to ask (mozilla.dev.l10n, ...), they don't know themselves. If there is no suggestion for a different solution what will work, creating separate localization Bugs for every affected Language with word "SeaMonkey" in Summary is the the only known method what allows systematic work. Thoughs? Suggestions?<br />
<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
* Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1222817}} Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.<br />
** Currently looking for ideas in the stylesheets from the [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ Classicish Add-on Manager]<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1268970}} All mochitests fail with: <tt>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/obj-i686-pc-mingw32\\_tests\\testing\\mochitest\\runtests.py'</tt>.<br />
* {{Bug|1280698}} Package EmojiOne TTF font on Linux and Windows.<br />
TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1276458}} Update all existing callers of nsICookieManager2.add() and nsICookieManager2.getCookiesFromHost() to make them origin attributes aware.<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1276951}} add --enable-calendar to mozconfigs now that we are shipping Lightning with SeaMonkey (also disable addon signing requirements and package js-shell)<br />
* {{Bug|1277293}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (SeaMonkey Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277299}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (Thunderbird Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277305}} nsDragAndDrop.js: fix trailing spaces (Bug 1245649: Turn on no-trailing-spaces) plus followup to {{Bug|1174601}}<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|995095}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** {{Bug|1281005}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite (mozilla-central part).<br />
** Mozilla-central {{Bug|1223728}} Removed the unifiedcomplete pref and the urlinline component. The remaining nsPlacesAutocomplete component will be removed too unless we move it to comm-central/suite/. Note we never used the urlinline component.<br />
** Alternatively use unified autocomplete by replacing <tt>autocompletesearch="history"</tt> with <tt>"unifiedcomplete"</tt>. The latter includes history but with other stuff too.<br />
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles (revert {{Bug|1161156}} for SeaMonkey).<br />
* Classic and Modern theme: CSS styles for about:networking.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central/aurora/beta:<br />
* {{Bug|1280058}} Warning for destructive retention settings for POP and IMAP accounts shouldn't be shown for Local Folders ''(MailNews)''<br />
* {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** patch by rstrong, adapted from Firefox patch in {{bug|1271761}}<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition and allow Paragraph mode as default<br />
* {{Bug|1275941}} Trim white-space characters from calendar.useragent.extra to avoid redundant spaces in the user-agent string ''(Calendar)''<br />
Ready to land:<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}<br />
** still somewhat uncertain when the checkbox should be exposed, activity is ongoing<br />
Waiting for reviews:<br />
* {{Bug|1275679}} Add option to the HTTP Networking preferences to disable Lightning user-agent addition<br />
** counterpart of the Firefox checkbox now that Lightning is bundled by default<br />
Preliminary patches:<br />
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working<br />
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-21&diff=1137244SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-212016-06-21T12:18:39Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Action Items */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=6&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 21 June, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''rsx11m''' for fixing some frontend things.<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing. <br />
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.<br />
* '''IanN''' [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/project-areas SeaMonkey project areas] is very outdated. There just aren't enough people to go around. We probably need to reduce the number of areas or group them together.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. ''Ratty''' has approved a patch which will update the builders to vs2015U2 so maybe there can be some progress seen soon.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
** Various Bugs open for building OSX and Linux.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Linux64 Nightly: busted due to {{bug|1275215}}<br />
*** Linux64 build: busted due to {{bug|1275218}}<br />
** The team is unhappy with the current build bot situation but still commited to get it resolved as possible. It was suggested that the unofficial '''adriank''' builds might somehow be uploaded as official builds until the build bots are fixed. ''' adriank''' will speak with '''Callek''' if this is possible.<br />
** [21st June 2016]<br />
*** [comm-central]<br />
**** All platforms: busted due to {{bug|1281086}}<br />
*** [comm-aurora]<br />
**** All platforms (Nightlies): busted due to the crash-symbols token needs updating. [Fixed]<br />
*** [comm-beta, comm-release]:<br />
**** Aside for the Windows-monkey-on-my-back {{bug|1271903}}, these trees haven't been infected by the bustage that has infected c-c and c-a (yet). [Give them time... I'm sure that can be 'fixed'.]<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* Nothing new here<br />
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--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.44 (no ETA yet). 2.43 will be skipped also.<br />
* {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.44. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox but will not be backed out there.<br />
* {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.<br />
* Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* comm-beta is back on the regular track with TB 47.0b1 having been tagged.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
<br />
==== 2.41 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey241&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey240&v2=2.41 fixed] (26)<br />
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==== 2.42 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.42 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey242&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.42 fixed] (21)<br />
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==== 2.43 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&v2=2.43 fixed] (10)<br />
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==== 2.44 planned next release ====<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.44 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey244&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey243&v2=2.44 fixed] (20)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick.<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
* In progress.<br />
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.<br />
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.<br />
** We've picked up he default for <tt>security.tls.version.min</tt> from Mozilla Core, but <tt>security.tls.version.fallback-limit</tt> is new. <s>So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI ({{Bug|1123673}})</s> '''WONTFIX'''.<br />
*** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 30 new, 13 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, larger than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 63 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features. <br />
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.<br />
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.<br />
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
<br />
* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official"&nbsp;?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)<br />
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora &amp; 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".<br />
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".<br />
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)<br />
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''<u>Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.</u>'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added.<br />
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed Firefox {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46 and 47. <br />
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.45 and 2.46 unusable. url bar does not change.<br />
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1278633}} about:performance not working in Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1279206}} Password icons.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* Please lets do something about the infrastructure. This su*cks!<br />
* Seamonkey compiles fine with VS2015 Update 3 RC. Update 3 uses a new optimizer per default which so far doesn't seem to cause any visible problems in daily browsing.<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.<br />
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
; currently working on:<br />
* '''''[https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/04/27/help-cleanup/ Help cleanup] '''''<br />
* ''''' [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=resolution&y_axis_field=component&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&emailtype2=substring&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=%5BBug+creation%5B&chfieldvalue=&chfieldfrom=2016-06-06&chfieldto=2016-06-21&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap Bug reports] and [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=user_activity.html&action=run&who=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&from=-20d&to=-0d&group=when confirming]''''' as usual <br /><br />
<br /><br />
; Might be worth to be discussed:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey homepage'''''<br />
** As already mentioned for [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-04-12]] currently maintenance for [http://www.seamonkey-project.org SeaMonkey Home Page] is more or less [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=13075253&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&product=Websites out of service], [[Talk:Modules/SeaMonkey|and nobody is interested in that problem]]. The Council should initiate a solution, if Jens Hatlak can't do the [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Websites&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&resolution=FIXED&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap complete job] any longer he at least should try to try to find volunteers as supporters or even a successor. <br /><br />
; Questions:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Help'''''<br />
** thoughts concerning "{{Bug|1279416}} - Decide how to handle User Documentation what has been moved to www-archive.mozilla.org"?<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Localization'''''<br />
** My experience from Help cleanup: there is absolutely no clear proceeding how localization teams get knowledge concerning code changes with relevance for their area and how a tracking for fixes of every affected language can work; and it's completely useless to ask (mozilla.dev.l10n, ...), they don't know themselves. If there is no suggestion for a different solution what will work, creating separate localization Bugs for every affected Language with word "SeaMonkey" in Summary is the the only known method what allows systematic work. Thoughs? Suggestions?<br />
<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
* Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1222817}} Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.<br />
** Currently looking for ideas in the stylesheets from the [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ Classicish Add-on Manager]<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1268970}} All mochitests fail with: <tt>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/obj-i686-pc-mingw32\\_tests\\testing\\mochitest\\runtests.py'</tt>.<br />
* {{Bug|1280698}} Package EmojiOne TTF font on Linux and Windows.<br />
TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1276458}} Update all existing callers of nsICookieManager2.add() and nsICookieManager2.getCookiesFromHost() to make them origin attributes aware.<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1276951}} add --enable-calendar to mozconfigs now that we are shipping Lightning with SeaMonkey (also disable addon signing requirements and package js-shell)<br />
* {{Bug|1277293}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (SeaMonkey Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277299}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (Thunderbird Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277305}} nsDragAndDrop.js: fix trailing spaces (Bug 1245649: Turn on no-trailing-spaces) plus followup to {{Bug|1174601}}<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|995095}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** {{Bug|1281005}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite (mozilla-central part).<br />
** Mozilla-central {{Bug|1223728}} Removed the unifiedcomplete pref and the urlinline component. The remaining nsPlacesAutocomplete component will be removed too unless we move it to comm-central/suite/. Note we never used the urlinline component.<br />
** Alternatively use unified autocomplete by replacing <tt>autocompletesearch="history"</tt> with <tt>"unifiedcomplete"</tt>. The latter includes history but with other stuff too.<br />
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles (revert {{Bug|1161156}} for SeaMonkey).<br />
* Classic and Modern theme: CSS styles for about:networking.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central/aurora/beta:<br />
* {{Bug|1280058}} Warning for destructive retention settings for POP and IMAP accounts shouldn't be shown for Local Folders ''(MailNews)''<br />
* {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** patch by rstrong, adapted from Firefox patch in {{bug|1271761}}<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition and allow Paragraph mode as default<br />
* {{Bug|1275941}} Trim white-space characters from calendar.useragent.extra to avoid redundant spaces in the user-agent string ''(Calendar)''<br />
Ready to land:<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}<br />
** still somewhat uncertain when the checkbox should be exposed, activity is ongoing<br />
Waiting for reviews:<br />
* {{Bug|1275679}} Add option to the HTTP Networking preferences to disable Lightning user-agent addition<br />
** counterpart of the Firefox checkbox now that Lightning is bundled by default<br />
Preliminary patches:<br />
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working<br />
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-21&diff=1137243SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-212016-06-21T12:08:48Z<p>Philip Chee: </p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=6&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 21 June, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''rsx11m''' for fixing some frontend things.<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing. <br />
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. ''Ratty''' has approved a patch which will update the builders to vs2015U2 so maybe there can be some progress seen soon.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
** Various Bugs open for building OSX and Linux.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Linux64 Nightly: busted due to {{bug|1275215}}<br />
*** Linux64 build: busted due to {{bug|1275218}}<br />
** The team is unhappy with the current build bot situation but still commited to get it resolved as possible. It was suggested that the unofficial '''adriank''' builds might somehow be uploaded as official builds until the build bots are fixed. ''' adriank''' will speak with '''Callek''' if this is possible.<br />
** [21st June 2016]<br />
*** [comm-central]<br />
**** All platforms: busted due to {{bug|1281086}}<br />
*** [comm-aurora]<br />
**** All platforms (Nightlies): busted due to the crash-symbols token needs updating. [Fixed]<br />
*** [comm-beta, comm-release]:<br />
**** Aside for the Windows-monkey-on-my-back {{bug|1271903}}, these trees haven't been infected by the bustage that has infected c-c and c-a (yet). [Give them time... I'm sure that can be 'fixed'.]<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* Nothing new here<br />
<!-- already fixed in the fortnight ending at last meeting<br />
--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.44 (no ETA yet). 2.43 will be skipped also.<br />
* {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.44. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox but will not be backed out there.<br />
* {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.<br />
* Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* comm-beta is back on the regular track with TB 47.0b1 having been tagged.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
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==== 2.41 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey241&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey240&v2=2.41 fixed] (26)<br />
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==== 2.42 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.42 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey242&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.42 fixed] (21)<br />
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==== 2.43 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&v2=2.43 fixed] (10)<br />
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==== 2.44 planned next release ====<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.44 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey244&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey243&v2=2.44 fixed] (20)<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick.<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
* In progress.<br />
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.<br />
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.<br />
** We've picked up he default for <tt>security.tls.version.min</tt> from Mozilla Core, but <tt>security.tls.version.fallback-limit</tt> is new. <s>So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI ({{Bug|1123673}})</s> '''WONTFIX'''.<br />
*** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 30 new, 13 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, larger than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 63 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features. <br />
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.<br />
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.<br />
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
<br />
* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official"&nbsp;?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)<br />
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora &amp; 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".<br />
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".<br />
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)<br />
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''<u>Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.</u>'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added.<br />
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed Firefox {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46 and 47. <br />
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.45 and 2.46 unusable. url bar does not change.<br />
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1278633}} about:performance not working in Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1279206}} Password icons.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* Please lets do something about the infrastructure. This su*cks!<br />
* Seamonkey compiles fine with VS2015 Update 3 RC. Update 3 uses a new optimizer per default which so far doesn't seem to cause any visible problems in daily browsing.<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.<br />
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
; currently working on:<br />
* '''''[https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/04/27/help-cleanup/ Help cleanup] '''''<br />
* ''''' [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=resolution&y_axis_field=component&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&emailtype2=substring&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=%5BBug+creation%5B&chfieldvalue=&chfieldfrom=2016-06-06&chfieldto=2016-06-21&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap Bug reports] and [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=user_activity.html&action=run&who=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&from=-20d&to=-0d&group=when confirming]''''' as usual <br /><br />
<br /><br />
; Might be worth to be discussed:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey homepage'''''<br />
** As already mentioned for [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-04-12]] currently maintenance for [http://www.seamonkey-project.org SeaMonkey Home Page] is more or less [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=13075253&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&product=Websites out of service], [[Talk:Modules/SeaMonkey|and nobody is interested in that problem]]. The Council should initiate a solution, if Jens Hatlak can't do the [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Websites&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&resolution=FIXED&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap complete job] any longer he at least should try to try to find volunteers as supporters or even a successor. <br /><br />
; Questions:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Help'''''<br />
** thoughts concerning "{{Bug|1279416}} - Decide how to handle User Documentation what has been moved to www-archive.mozilla.org"?<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Localization'''''<br />
** My experience from Help cleanup: there is absolutely no clear proceeding how localization teams get knowledge concerning code changes with relevance for their area and how a tracking for fixes of every affected language can work; and it's completely useless to ask (mozilla.dev.l10n, ...), they don't know themselves. If there is no suggestion for a different solution what will work, creating separate localization Bugs for every affected Language with word "SeaMonkey" in Summary is the the only known method what allows systematic work. Thoughs? Suggestions?<br />
<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
* Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1222817}} Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.<br />
** Currently looking for ideas in the stylesheets from the [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ Classicish Add-on Manager]<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1268970}} All mochitests fail with: <tt>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/obj-i686-pc-mingw32\\_tests\\testing\\mochitest\\runtests.py'</tt>.<br />
* {{Bug|1280698}} Package EmojiOne TTF font on Linux and Windows.<br />
TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1276458}} Update all existing callers of nsICookieManager2.add() and nsICookieManager2.getCookiesFromHost() to make them origin attributes aware.<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1276951}} add --enable-calendar to mozconfigs now that we are shipping Lightning with SeaMonkey (also disable addon signing requirements and package js-shell)<br />
* {{Bug|1277293}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (SeaMonkey Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277299}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (Thunderbird Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277305}} nsDragAndDrop.js: fix trailing spaces (Bug 1245649: Turn on no-trailing-spaces) plus followup to {{Bug|1174601}}<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|995095}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** {{Bug|1281005}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite (mozilla-central part).<br />
** Mozilla-central {{Bug|1223728}} Removed the unifiedcomplete pref and the urlinline component. The remaining nsPlacesAutocomplete component will be removed too unless we move it to comm-central/suite/. Note we never used the urlinline component.<br />
** Alternatively use unified autocomplete by replacing <tt>autocompletesearch="history"</tt> with <tt>"unifiedcomplete"</tt>. The latter includes history but with other stuff too.<br />
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles (revert {{Bug|1161156}} for SeaMonkey).<br />
* Classic and Modern theme: CSS styles for about:networking.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central/aurora/beta:<br />
* {{Bug|1280058}} Warning for destructive retention settings for POP and IMAP accounts shouldn't be shown for Local Folders ''(MailNews)''<br />
* {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** patch by rstrong, adapted from Firefox patch in {{bug|1271761}}<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition and allow Paragraph mode as default<br />
* {{Bug|1275941}} Trim white-space characters from calendar.useragent.extra to avoid redundant spaces in the user-agent string ''(Calendar)''<br />
Ready to land:<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}<br />
** still somewhat uncertain when the checkbox should be exposed, activity is ongoing<br />
Waiting for reviews:<br />
* {{Bug|1275679}} Add option to the HTTP Networking preferences to disable Lightning user-agent addition<br />
** counterpart of the Firefox checkbox now that Lightning is bundled by default<br />
Preliminary patches:<br />
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working<br />
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-21&diff=1137242SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-212016-06-21T11:53:25Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Ratty */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=6&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 21 June, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing. <br />
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. ''Ratty''' has approved a patch which will update the builders to vs2015U2 so maybe there can be some progress seen soon.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
** Various Bugs open for building OSX and Linux.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Linux64 Nightly: busted due to {{bug|1275215}}<br />
*** Linux64 build: busted due to {{bug|1275218}}<br />
** The team is unhappy with the current build bot situation but still commited to get it resolved as possible. It was suggested that the unofficial '''adriank''' builds might somehow be uploaded as official builds until the build bots are fixed. ''' adriank''' will speak with '''Callek''' if this is possible.<br />
** [21st June 2016]<br />
*** [comm-central]<br />
**** All platforms: busted due to {{bug|1281086}}<br />
*** [comm-aurora]<br />
**** All platforms (Nightlies): busted due to the crash-symbols token needs updating. [Fixed]<br />
*** [comm-beta, comm-release]:<br />
**** Aside for the Windows-monkey-on-my-back {{bug|1271903}}, these trees haven't been infected by the bustage that has infected c-c and c-a (yet). [Give them time... I'm sure that can be 'fixed'.]<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
<!-- Comment out this section if nothing new fixed --><br />
==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* Nothing new here<br />
<!-- already fixed in the fortnight ending at last meeting<br />
--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.44 (no ETA yet). 2.43 will be skipped also.<br />
* {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.44. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox but will not be backed out there.<br />
* {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.<br />
* Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* comm-beta is back on the regular track with TB 47.0b1 having been tagged.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
<!-- let's maintain two sections, this one for the *current* release --><br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
<br />
==== 2.41 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey241&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.41 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey241&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey240&v2=2.41 fixed] (26)<br />
<br />
==== 2.42 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey242&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (8)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.42 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey242&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.42 fixed] (21)<br />
<br />
==== 2.43 skipped ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&v2=2.43 fixed] (10)<br />
<br />
==== 2.44 planned next release ====<br />
<!-- let's maintain two sections, this one for the *upcoming* release --><br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey244&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.44 targeted] (1)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey244&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey243&v2=2.44 fixed] (20)<br />
<br />
==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick.<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
* In progress.<br />
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.<br />
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.<br />
** We've picked up he default for <tt>security.tls.version.min</tt> from Mozilla Core, but <tt>security.tls.version.fallback-limit</tt> is new. <s>So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI ({{Bug|1123673}})</s> '''WONTFIX'''.<br />
*** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 30 new, 13 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, larger than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 63 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features. <br />
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.<br />
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.<br />
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
<br />
* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official"&nbsp;?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)<br />
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora &amp; 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".<br />
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".<br />
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)<br />
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''<u>Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.</u>'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added.<br />
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed Firefox {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46 and 47. <br />
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.45 and 2.46 unusable. url bar does not change.<br />
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1278633}} about:performance not working in Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1279206}} Password icons.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* Please lets do something about the infrastructure. This su*cks!<br />
* Seamonkey compiles fine with VS2015 Update 3 RC. Update 3 uses a new optimizer per default which so far doesn't seem to cause any visible problems in daily browsing.<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.<br />
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
; currently working on:<br />
* '''''[https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/04/27/help-cleanup/ Help cleanup] '''''<br />
* ''''' [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=resolution&y_axis_field=component&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&emailtype2=substring&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=%5BBug+creation%5B&chfieldvalue=&chfieldfrom=2016-06-06&chfieldto=2016-06-21&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap Bug reports] and [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=user_activity.html&action=run&who=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&from=-20d&to=-0d&group=when confirming]''''' as usual <br /><br />
<br /><br />
; Might be worth to be discussed:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey homepage'''''<br />
** As already mentioned for [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-04-12]] currently maintenance for [http://www.seamonkey-project.org SeaMonkey Home Page] is more or less [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=13075253&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&product=Websites out of service], [[Talk:Modules/SeaMonkey|and nobody is interested in that problem]]. The Council should initiate a solution, if Jens Hatlak can't do the [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Websites&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&resolution=FIXED&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap complete job] any longer he at least should try to try to find volunteers as supporters or even a successor. <br /><br />
; Questions:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Help'''''<br />
** thoughts concerning "{{Bug|1279416}} - Decide how to handle User Documentation what has been moved to www-archive.mozilla.org"?<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Localization'''''<br />
** My experience from Help cleanup: there is absolutely no clear proceeding how localization teams get knowledge concerning code changes with relevance for their area and how a tracking for fixes of every affected language can work; and it's completely useless to ask (mozilla.dev.l10n, ...), they don't know themselves. If there is no suggestion for a different solution what will work, creating separate localization Bugs for every affected Language with word "SeaMonkey" in Summary is the the only known method what allows systematic work. Thoughs? Suggestions?<br />
<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
* Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1222817}} Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.<br />
** Currently looking for ideas in the stylesheets from the [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ Classicish Add-on Manager]<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1268970}} All mochitests fail with: <tt>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/obj-i686-pc-mingw32\\_tests\\testing\\mochitest\\runtests.py'</tt>.<br />
* {{Bug|1280698}} Package EmojiOne TTF font on Linux and Windows.<br />
TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1276458}} Update all existing callers of nsICookieManager2.add() and nsICookieManager2.getCookiesFromHost() to make them origin attributes aware.<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1276951}} add --enable-calendar to mozconfigs now that we are shipping Lightning with SeaMonkey (also disable addon signing requirements and package js-shell)<br />
* {{Bug|1277293}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (SeaMonkey Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277299}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (Thunderbird Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277305}} nsDragAndDrop.js: fix trailing spaces (Bug 1245649: Turn on no-trailing-spaces) plus followup to {{Bug|1174601}}<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|995095}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** {{Bug|1281005}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite (mozilla-central part).<br />
** Mozilla-central {{Bug|1223728}} Removed the unifiedcomplete pref and the urlinline component. The remaining nsPlacesAutocomplete component will be removed too unless we move it to comm-central/suite/. Note we never used the urlinline component.<br />
** Alternatively use unified autocomplete by replacing <tt>autocompletesearch="history"</tt> with <tt>"unifiedcomplete"</tt>. The latter includes history but with other stuff too.<br />
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles (revert {{Bug|1161156}} for SeaMonkey).<br />
* Classic and Modern theme: CSS styles for about:networking.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central/aurora/beta:<br />
* {{Bug|1280058}} Warning for destructive retention settings for POP and IMAP accounts shouldn't be shown for Local Folders ''(MailNews)''<br />
* {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** patch by rstrong, adapted from Firefox patch in {{bug|1271761}}<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition and allow Paragraph mode as default<br />
* {{Bug|1275941}} Trim white-space characters from calendar.useragent.extra to avoid redundant spaces in the user-agent string ''(Calendar)''<br />
Ready to land:<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}<br />
** still somewhat uncertain when the checkbox should be exposed, activity is ongoing<br />
Waiting for reviews:<br />
* {{Bug|1275679}} Add option to the HTTP Networking preferences to disable Lightning user-agent addition<br />
** counterpart of the Firefox checkbox now that Lightning is bundled by default<br />
Preliminary patches:<br />
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working<br />
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-21&diff=1137241SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-06-212016-06-21T11:47:14Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Ratty */</p>
<hr />
<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=21&month=6&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 21 June, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance):<br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in {{bug|1167038}}.<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing. <br />
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. ''Ratty''' has approved a patch which will update the builders to vs2015U2 so maybe there can be some progress seen soon.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
** Various Bugs open for building OSX and Linux.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
*** Linux64 Nightly: busted due to {{bug|1275215}}<br />
*** Linux64 build: busted due to {{bug|1275218}}<br />
** The team is unhappy with the current build bot situation but still commited to get it resolved as possible. It was suggested that the unofficial '''adriank''' builds might somehow be uploaded as official builds until the build bots are fixed. ''' adriank''' will speak with '''Callek''' if this is possible.<br />
** [21st June 2016]<br />
*** [comm-central]<br />
**** All platforms: busted due to {{bug|1281086}}<br />
*** [comm-aurora]<br />
**** All platforms (Nightlies): busted due to the crash-symbols token needs updating. [Fixed]<br />
*** [comm-beta, comm-release]:<br />
**** Aside for the Windows-monkey-on-my-back {{bug|1271903}}, these trees haven't been infected by the bustage that has infected c-c and c-a (yet). [Give them time... I'm sure that can be 'fixed'.]<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* Nothing new here<br />
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--><br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.44 (no ETA yet). 2.43 will be skipped also.<br />
* {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.44. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox but will not be backed out there.<br />
* {{Bug|1231349}} will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.<br />
* Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* comm-beta is back on the regular track with TB 47.0b1 having been tagged.<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.40 current release ====<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
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==== 2.41 skipped ====<br />
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==== 2.43 skipped ====<br />
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==== 2.44 planned next release ====<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick.<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
* In progress.<br />
** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.<br />
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.<br />
** We've picked up he default for <tt>security.tls.version.min</tt> from Mozilla Core, but <tt>security.tls.version.fallback-limit</tt> is new. <s>So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI ({{Bug|1123673}})</s> '''WONTFIX'''.<br />
*** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.<br />
* [Ratty] made some progress to fix {{bug|1222817}} - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/classicish-addon-manager/ but currently doesn't have the time to continue.<br />
* [Ratty] will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 30 new, 13 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, larger than average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 63 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 2 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features. <br />
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.<br />
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.<br />
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** No news about it till now.<br />
* Rainer started a Coffee-Mug-Competition: [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.<br />
<br />
* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official"&nbsp;?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)<br />
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora &amp; 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".<br />
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".<br />
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)<br />
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''<u>Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.</u>'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added.<br />
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed Firefox {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46 and 47. <br />
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.45 and 2.46 unusable. url bar does not change.<br />
* {{Bug|1278130}} Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1278633}} about:performance not working in Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1279206}} Password icons.<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: {{Bug|1279851}} CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* Please lets do something about the infrastructure. This su*cks!<br />
* Seamonkey compiles fine with VS2015 Update 3 RC. Update 3 uses a new optimizer per default which so far doesn't seem to cause any visible problems in daily browsing.<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.<br />
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
; currently working on:<br />
* '''''[https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/04/27/help-cleanup/ Help cleanup] '''''<br />
* ''''' [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=resolution&y_axis_field=component&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&emailtype2=substring&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=%5BBug+creation%5B&chfieldvalue=&chfieldfrom=2016-06-06&chfieldto=2016-06-21&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap Bug reports] and [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=user_activity.html&action=run&who=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&from=-20d&to=-0d&group=when confirming]''''' as usual <br /><br />
<br /><br />
; Might be worth to be discussed:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey homepage'''''<br />
** As already mentioned for [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-04-12]] currently maintenance for [http://www.seamonkey-project.org SeaMonkey Home Page] is more or less [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=13075253&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&product=Websites out of service], [[Talk:Modules/SeaMonkey|and nobody is interested in that problem]]. The Council should initiate a solution, if Jens Hatlak can't do the [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?x_axis_field=&y_axis_field=assigned_to&z_axis_field=&query_format=report-table&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Websites&component=www.seamonkey-project.org&resolution=FIXED&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr&longdesc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_id=&bug_id_type=anyexact&votes=&votes_type=greaterthaneq&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailtype2=exact&email2=&emailtype3=substring&email3=&chfield=resolution&chfieldvalue=FIXED&chfieldfrom=-360d&chfieldto=Now&j_top=AND&f1=noop&o1=noop&v1=&format=table&action=wrap complete job] any longer he at least should try to try to find volunteers as supporters or even a successor. <br /><br />
; Questions:<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Help'''''<br />
** thoughts concerning "{{Bug|1279416}} - Decide how to handle User Documentation what has been moved to www-archive.mozilla.org"?<br />
* '''''SeaMonkey Localization'''''<br />
** My experience from Help cleanup: there is absolutely no clear proceeding how localization teams get knowledge concerning code changes with relevance for their area and how a tracking for fixes of every affected language can work; and it's completely useless to ask (mozilla.dev.l10n, ...), they don't know themselves. If there is no suggestion for a different solution what will work, creating separate localization Bugs for every affected Language with word "SeaMonkey" in Summary is the the only known method what allows systematic work. Thoughs? Suggestions?<br />
<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
* Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|1268970}} All mochitests fail with: <tt>IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/obj-i686-pc-mingw32\\_tests\\testing\\mochitest\\runtests.py'</tt>.<br />
* {{Bug|1280698}} Package EmojiOne TTF font on Linux and Windows.<br />
TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1276458}} Update all existing callers of nsICookieManager2.add() and nsICookieManager2.getCookiesFromHost() to make them origin attributes aware.<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1276951}} add --enable-calendar to mozconfigs now that we are shipping Lightning with SeaMonkey (also disable addon signing requirements and package js-shell)<br />
* {{Bug|1277293}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (SeaMonkey Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277299}} Replace getSimpleCodebasePrincipal with createCodebasePrincipal (Thunderbird Part).<br />
* {{Bug|1277305}} nsDragAndDrop.js: fix trailing spaces (Bug 1245649: Turn on no-trailing-spaces) plus followup to {{Bug|1174601}}<br />
In Progress:<br />
* {{Bug|995095}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** {{Bug|1281005}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite (mozilla-central part).<br />
** Mozilla-central {{Bug|1223728}} Removed the unifiedcomplete pref and the urlinline component. The remaining nsPlacesAutocomplete component will be removed too unless we move it to comm-central/suite/. Note we never used the urlinline component.<br />
** Alternatively use unified autocomplete by replacing <tt>autocompletesearch="history"</tt> with <tt>"unifiedcomplete"</tt>. The latter includes history but with other stuff too.<br />
* {{Bug|1222818}} Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles (revert {{Bug|1161156}} for SeaMonkey).<br />
* Classic and Modern theme: CSS styles for about:networking.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central/aurora/beta:<br />
* {{Bug|1280058}} Warning for destructive retention settings for POP and IMAP accounts shouldn't be shown for Local Folders ''(MailNews)''<br />
* {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference<br />
** patch by rstrong, adapted from Firefox patch in {{bug|1271761}}<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition and allow Paragraph mode as default<br />
* {{Bug|1275941}} Trim white-space characters from calendar.useragent.extra to avoid redundant spaces in the user-agent string ''(Calendar)''<br />
Ready to land:<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}<br />
** still somewhat uncertain when the checkbox should be exposed, activity is ongoing<br />
Waiting for reviews:<br />
* {{Bug|1275679}} Add option to the HTTP Networking preferences to disable Lightning user-agent addition<br />
** counterpart of the Firefox checkbox now that Lightning is bundled by default<br />
Preliminary patches:<br />
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working<br />
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-24&diff=1134002SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-242016-05-24T07:51:36Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Ratty */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=5&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 May, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* [Ratty:] '''rkent''' has stated that he will not uplift the suite parts of changesets to SeaMonkey branches that are perma-CLOSED unless he gets a perma-APPROVED from SeaMonkey team. Since he is the TB module owner and a TB-driver I think it's a reasonable request.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing.<br />
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. ''Ratty''' is currently reviewing these and other patches to make this happen Some patches have already landed.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** en-US trunk hourlies and nightlies are being published again since 2016-04-25 for L32, L64 and Mac but not Windows. Still no new langpacks or localized builds at ftp.m.o.<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* [26th April 2016]<br />
** [*All Trees*]<br />
** [comm-central]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
** [comm-aurora]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
*** Linux x86 and x64 ok.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Linux*: Busted. Waiting for review on patches for c-b from {{bug|1190773}}.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
** [comm-release]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
*** Linux x86 and x64 ok after {{bug|1190773}} has been checked in.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
<!-- Comment out this section if nothing new fixed --><br />
==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* Linux (32&amp;64) Trunk builds are still appearing at ftp.m.o., though some days the nightly is missing and only hourlies ("tinderbox-builds") are to be found.<br />
* Trunk is now built with Lightning packaged-in, as an unzipped extension in <tt>INSTALLDIR/extensions/{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}/</tt> where INSTALLDIR may be (in a typical Linux case) <tt>/usr/local/seamonkey</tt>. See {{Bug|516026}} (Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled).<br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.43 (no ETA yet). <br />
* All fixes for 2.43 are in comm-release but some patches for building Lightning 4.8b1 were not checked in. Ratty will inquire and will check them in if required.<br />
* {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.43. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox and may be backed out there too. <br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.<br />
* Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* Next mozilla-beta&rarr;release migration is scheduled for May 30th, remaining merges for June 6th<br />
* Main action of comm-beta is in THUNDERBIRD452b1_2016051723_RELBRANCH as before <br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* There is still no matching Lightning version for 2.43 and since Thunderbird skipped the TB 46.0 beta, there may not be any (Lightning 4.8b1).<br />
** '''[Fallen]''': If you generate one using <tt>--enable-calendar</tt>, which produces all the locales similar to how this candidates directory looks like: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/candidates/4.5b1-candidates/ then I can upload that to AMO.<br />
** Trunk is now built with <tt>--enable-calendar</tt>, see [[#Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting]] above.<br />
** some patches which only landed on the Thunderbird 45.1b1 release branch may still need to be transplanted to comm-release default.<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
** The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* Adrians patch in {{Bug|516026}} 'Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled' is now ready for check-in. The first Seamonkey version which will come with Lightning is 2.44.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 ====<br />
<!-- let's maintain two sections, this one for the *current* release --><br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
<br />
==== 2.43 ====<br />
<!-- let's maintain two sections, this one for the *upcoming* release --><br />
* (This should probably also include fixes that landed in 2.41 and 2.42)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&f6=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.43 fixed] (11)<br />
<br />
==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick.<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.<br />
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.<br />
** We've picked up he default for <tt>security.tls.version.min</tt> from Mozilla Core, but <tt>security.tls.version.fallback-limit</tt> is new. <s>So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI ({{Bug|1123673}})</s> '''WONTFIX'''.<br />
*** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff.<br />
** {{Bug|1262880}} removed the add-on compatibility check from application update. rsx11m will fix our part in {{Bug|1269133}}<br />
** Ratty will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 32 new, 13 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, above-average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features. <br />
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.<br />
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.<br />
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** No sufficiently plausible specifics provided 'why' full themes 'must' no longer be supported.<br />
*** No clear statements by the Firefox drivers, bug has been restricted for comments since.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** See bsmedberg's post [https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/5306/14 #14], targeted for Gecko 49 (April 2016).<br />
*** May prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey.<br />
*** Removal is "decided" without any clear alternative envisioned.<br />
<br />
* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official"&nbsp;?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)<br />
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora &amp; 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".<br />
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".<br />
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)<br />
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''<u>Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.</u>'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added.<br />
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46. <br />
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.46a1 unusable.<br />
* {{Bug|1273240}} XUL 'text-link' should open tabs rather than windows.<br />
* {{Bug|1273682}} Port Bug 1035125 to Seamonkey. Remove sandboxbroker.dll. Build break. Edit 05/22 fixed<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2013/VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.<br />
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
* Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1116223}} [Thunderbird] Move skin overrides to default theme chrome.manifest.<br />
** Also fixes: The chrome.manifest for the default theme is not packaged any more.<br />
* 🔒 Bug 👾👾👾👾👾 Destroyed all monsters . Monster Island is safe again for now.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|995095}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** Mozilla-central {{Bug|1223728}} Removed the unifiedcomplete pref and the urlinline component. The remaining nsPlacesAutocomplete component will be removed too unless we move it to comm-central/suite/. Note we never used the urlinline component.<br />
** Alternatively use unified autocomplete by replacing <tt>autocompletesearch="history"</tt> with <tt>"unifiedcomplete"</tt>. The latter includes history but with other stuff too.<br />
TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
Baroque Theatre, Laughing Gas, Dazzle Ships, Harems.<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1269133}} Remove add-on compatibility check from application update<br />
Ready to land on comm-central, waiting for branch approval:<br />
* {{Bug|1272888}} Initial Mail & News window width and Preferences dialog can't accommodate Lightning elements, cut off contents<br />
* {{Bug|1215150}} Browser Preferences dialog's contents clipped at the right<br />
Ready to land on comm-central, waiting for core patch:<br />
* {{Bug|1269773}} Remove Kinto and Safe-Browsing preferences from SeaMonkey's browser-prefs.js after they were moved to global all.js<br />
** patches in {{bug|1266235}} dependent on finalized, yet waiting for those to check in again<br />
Waiting for reviews:<br />
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition and allow Paragraph mode as default<br />
** adopts new "compose HTML in Paragraph mode" feature from {{bug|330891}} ''without'' making it the default<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes only for now, TLS 1.3 has been enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}<br />
Preliminary patches:<br />
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working<br />
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey<br />
* {{Bug|983689}} With "Lightning" active: preferences window too big for netbook<br />
** respect actual screen sizes and provide scrollbars when necessary<br />
** still doesn't resize correctly for initial opening<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1273298}} Add-ons are disabled on trunk builds, claiming they could not be verified to work with SeaMonkey<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|433001}} Base default Mail & Newsgroup window size on available screen size<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-24&diff=1133999SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-242016-05-24T07:35:33Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Ratty */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=5&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 May, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* [Ratty:] '''rkent''' has stated that he will not uplift the suite parts of changesets to SeaMonkey branches that are perma-CLOSED unless he gets a perma-APPROVED from SeaMonkey team. Since he is the TB module owner and a TB-driver I think it's a reasonable request.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing.<br />
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. ''Ratty''' is currently reviewing these and other patches to make this happen Some patches have already landed.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** en-US trunk hourlies and nightlies are being published again since 2016-04-25 for L32, L64 and Mac but not Windows. Still no new langpacks or localized builds at ftp.m.o.<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* [26th April 2016]<br />
** [*All Trees*]<br />
** [comm-central]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
** [comm-aurora]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
*** Linux x86 and x64 ok.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Linux*: Busted. Waiting for review on patches for c-b from {{bug|1190773}}.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
** [comm-release]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
*** Linux x86 and x64 ok after {{bug|1190773}} has been checked in.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
<!-- Comment out this section if nothing new fixed --><br />
==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* Linux (32&amp;64) Trunk builds are still appearing at ftp.m.o., though some days the nightly is missing and only hourlies ("tinderbox-builds") are to be found.<br />
* Trunk is now built with Lightning packaged-in, as an unzipped extension in <tt>INSTALLDIR/extensions/{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}/</tt> where INSTALLDIR may be (in a typical Linux case) <tt>/usr/local/seamonkey</tt>. See {{Bug|516026}} (Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled).<br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.43 (no ETA yet). <br />
* All fixes for 2.43 are in comm-release but some patches for building Lightning 4.8b1 were not checked in. Ratty will inquire and will check them in if required.<br />
* {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.43. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox and may be backed out there too. <br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.<br />
* Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* Next mozilla-beta&rarr;release migration is scheduled for May 30th, remaining merges for June 6th<br />
* Main action of comm-beta is in THUNDERBIRD452b1_2016051723_RELBRANCH as before <br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* There is still no matching Lightning version for 2.43 and since Thunderbird skipped the TB 46.0 beta, there may not be any (Lightning 4.8b1).<br />
** '''[Fallen]''': If you generate one using <tt>--enable-calendar</tt>, which produces all the locales similar to how this candidates directory looks like: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/candidates/4.5b1-candidates/ then I can upload that to AMO.<br />
** Trunk is now built with <tt>--enable-calendar</tt>, see [[#Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting]] above.<br />
** some patches which only landed on the Thunderbird 45.1b1 release branch may still need to be transplanted to comm-release default.<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
** The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* Adrians patch in {{Bug|516026}} 'Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled' is now ready for check-in. The first Seamonkey version which will come with Lightning is 2.44.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 ====<br />
<!-- let's maintain two sections, this one for the *current* release --><br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
<br />
==== 2.43 ====<br />
<!-- let's maintain two sections, this one for the *upcoming* release --><br />
* (This should probably also include fixes that landed in 2.41 and 2.42)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&f6=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.43 fixed] (11)<br />
<br />
==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick.<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.<br />
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.<br />
** We've picked up he default for <tt>security.tls.version.min</tt> from Mozilla Core, but <tt>security.tls.version.fallback-limit</tt> is new. <s>So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI ({{Bug|1123673}})</s> '''WONTFIX'''.<br />
*** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff.<br />
** {{Bug|1262880}} removed the add-on compatibility check from application update. rsx11m will fix our part in {{Bug|1269133}}<br />
** Ratty will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 32 new, 13 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, above-average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features. <br />
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.<br />
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.<br />
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** No sufficiently plausible specifics provided 'why' full themes 'must' no longer be supported.<br />
*** No clear statements by the Firefox drivers, bug has been restricted for comments since.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** See bsmedberg's post [https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/5306/14 #14], targeted for Gecko 49 (April 2016).<br />
*** May prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey.<br />
*** Removal is "decided" without any clear alternative envisioned.<br />
<br />
* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official"&nbsp;?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)<br />
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora &amp; 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".<br />
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".<br />
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)<br />
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''<u>Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.</u>'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added.<br />
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46. <br />
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.46a1 unusable.<br />
* {{Bug|1273240}} XUL 'text-link' should open tabs rather than windows.<br />
* {{Bug|1273682}} Port Bug 1035125 to Seamonkey. Remove sandboxbroker.dll. Build break. Edit 05/22 fixed<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2013/VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.<br />
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
* Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1116223}} [Thunderbird] Move skin overrides to default theme chrome.manifest.<br />
** Also fixes: The chrome.manifest for the default theme is not packaged any more.<br />
* 🔒 Destroyed all monsters. Monster Island is safe again for now.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|995095}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** Mozilla-central {{Bug|1223728}} Removed the unifiedcomplete pref and the urlinline component. The remaining nsPlacesAutocomplete component will be removed too unless we move it to comm-central/suite/. Note we never used the urlinline component.<br />
** Alternatively use unified autocomplete by replacing <tt>autocompletesearch="history"</tt> with <tt>"unifiedcomplete"</tt>. The latter includes history but with other stuff too.<br />
TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1269133}} Remove add-on compatibility check from application update<br />
Ready to land on comm-central, waiting for branch approval:<br />
* {{Bug|1272888}} Initial Mail & News window width and Preferences dialog can't accommodate Lightning elements, cut off contents<br />
* {{Bug|1215150}} Browser Preferences dialog's contents clipped at the right<br />
Ready to land on comm-central, waiting for core patch:<br />
* {{Bug|1269773}} Remove Kinto and Safe-Browsing preferences from SeaMonkey's browser-prefs.js after they were moved to global all.js<br />
** patches in {{bug|1266235}} dependent on finalized, yet waiting for those to check in again<br />
Waiting for reviews:<br />
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition and allow Paragraph mode as default<br />
** adopts new "compose HTML in Paragraph mode" feature from {{bug|330891}} ''without'' making it the default<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes only for now, TLS 1.3 has been enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}<br />
Preliminary patches:<br />
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working<br />
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey<br />
* {{Bug|983689}} With "Lightning" active: preferences window too big for netbook<br />
** respect actual screen sizes and provide scrollbars when necessary<br />
** still doesn't resize correctly for initial opening<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1273298}} Add-ons are disabled on trunk builds, claiming they could not be verified to work with SeaMonkey<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|433001}} Base default Mail & Newsgroup window size on available screen size<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-24&diff=1133996SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-242016-05-24T06:12:30Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Feature List, Planning */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=5&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 May, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* [Ratty:] '''rkent''' has stated that he will not uplift the suite parts of changesets to SeaMonkey branches that are perma-CLOSED unless he gets a perma-APPROVED from SeaMonkey team. Since he is the TB module owner and a TB-driver I think it's a reasonable request.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing.<br />
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. ''Ratty''' is currently reviewing these and other patches to make this happen Some patches have already landed.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** en-US trunk hourlies and nightlies are being published again since 2016-04-25 for L32, L64 and Mac but not Windows. Still no new langpacks or localized builds at ftp.m.o.<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* [26th April 2016]<br />
** [*All Trees*]<br />
** [comm-central]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
** [comm-aurora]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
*** Linux x86 and x64 ok.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Linux*: Busted. Waiting for review on patches for c-b from {{bug|1190773}}.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
** [comm-release]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
*** Linux x86 and x64 ok after {{bug|1190773}} has been checked in.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
<!-- Comment out this section if nothing new fixed --><br />
==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* Linux (32&amp;64) Trunk builds are still appearing at ftp.m.o., though some days the nightly is missing and only hourlies ("tinderbox-builds") are to be found.<br />
* Trunk is now built with Lightning packaged-in, as an unzipped extension in <tt>INSTALLDIR/extensions/{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}/</tt> where INSTALLDIR may be (in a typical Linux case) <tt>/usr/local/seamonkey</tt>. See {{Bug|516026}} (Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled).<br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.43 (no ETA yet). <br />
* All fixes for 2.43 are in comm-release but some patches for building Lightning 4.8b1 were not checked in. Ratty will inquire and will check them in if required.<br />
* {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.43. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox and may be backed out there too. <br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.<br />
* Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* Next mozilla-beta&rarr;release migration is scheduled for May 30th, remaining merges for June 6th<br />
* Main action of comm-beta is in THUNDERBIRD452b1_2016051723_RELBRANCH as before <br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* There is still no matching Lightning version for 2.43 and since Thunderbird skipped the TB 46.0 beta, there may not be any (Lightning 4.8b1).<br />
** '''[Fallen]''': If you generate one using <tt>--enable-calendar</tt>, which produces all the locales similar to how this candidates directory looks like: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/candidates/4.5b1-candidates/ then I can upload that to AMO.<br />
** Trunk is now built with <tt>--enable-calendar</tt>, see [[#Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting]] above.<br />
** some patches which only landed on the Thunderbird 45.1b1 release branch may still need to be transplanted to comm-release default.<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
** The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* Adrians patch in {{Bug|516026}} 'Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled' is now ready for check-in. The first Seamonkey version which will come with Lightning is 2.44.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 ====<br />
<!-- let's maintain two sections, this one for the *current* release --><br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
<br />
==== 2.43 ====<br />
<!-- let's maintain two sections, this one for the *upcoming* release --><br />
* (This should probably also include fixes that landed in 2.41 and 2.42)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&f6=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.43 fixed] (11)<br />
<br />
==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick.<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.<br />
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.<br />
** We've picked up he default for <tt>security.tls.version.min</tt> from Mozilla Core, but <tt>security.tls.version.fallback-limit</tt> is new. <s>So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI ({{Bug|1123673}})</s> '''WONTFIX'''.<br />
*** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff.<br />
** {{Bug|1262880}} removed the add-on compatibility check from application update. rsx11m will fix our part in {{Bug|1269133}}<br />
** Ratty will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 32 new, 13 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, above-average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features. <br />
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.<br />
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.<br />
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** '''[Ratty:]''' Thunderbird developers appear to be agreeable for SeaMonkey to tag along with Thunderbird. This might fix our problem with lack of builders and our PERMA-CLOSED trees due to this lack.<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** No sufficiently plausible specifics provided 'why' full themes 'must' no longer be supported.<br />
*** No clear statements by the Firefox drivers, bug has been restricted for comments since.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** See bsmedberg's post [https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/5306/14 #14], targeted for Gecko 49 (April 2016).<br />
*** May prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey.<br />
*** Removal is "decided" without any clear alternative envisioned.<br />
<br />
* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official"&nbsp;?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)<br />
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora &amp; 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".<br />
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".<br />
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)<br />
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''<u>Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.</u>'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added.<br />
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46. <br />
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.46a1 unusable.<br />
* {{Bug|1273240}} XUL 'text-link' should open tabs rather than windows.<br />
* {{Bug|1273682}} Port Bug 1035125 to Seamonkey. Remove sandboxbroker.dll. Build break. Edit 05/22 fixed<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2013/VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.<br />
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1269133}} Remove add-on compatibility check from application update<br />
Ready to land on comm-central, waiting for branch approval:<br />
* {{Bug|1272888}} Initial Mail & News window width and Preferences dialog can't accommodate Lightning elements, cut off contents<br />
* {{Bug|1215150}} Browser Preferences dialog's contents clipped at the right<br />
Ready to land on comm-central, waiting for core patch:<br />
* {{Bug|1269773}} Remove Kinto and Safe-Browsing preferences from SeaMonkey's browser-prefs.js after they were moved to global all.js<br />
** patches in {{bug|1266235}} dependent on finalized, yet waiting for those to check in again<br />
Waiting for reviews:<br />
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition and allow Paragraph mode as default<br />
** adopts new "compose HTML in Paragraph mode" feature from {{bug|330891}} ''without'' making it the default<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes only for now, TLS 1.3 has been enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}<br />
Preliminary patches:<br />
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working<br />
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey<br />
* {{Bug|983689}} With "Lightning" active: preferences window too big for netbook<br />
** respect actual screen sizes and provide scrollbars when necessary<br />
** still doesn't resize correctly for initial opening<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1273298}} Add-ons are disabled on trunk builds, claiming they could not be verified to work with SeaMonkey<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|433001}} Base default Mail & Newsgroup window size on available screen size<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-24&diff=1133995SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-242016-05-24T06:03:05Z<p>Philip Chee: /* 2.43 */</p>
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<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=5&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 May, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* [Ratty:] '''rkent''' has stated that he will not uplift the suite parts of changesets to SeaMonkey branches that are perma-CLOSED unless he gets a perma-APPROVED from SeaMonkey team. Since he is the TB module owner and a TB-driver I think it's a reasonable request.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing.<br />
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. ''Ratty''' is currently reviewing these and other patches to make this happen Some patches have already landed.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** en-US trunk hourlies and nightlies are being published again since 2016-04-25 for L32, L64 and Mac but not Windows. Still no new langpacks or localized builds at ftp.m.o.<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* [26th April 2016]<br />
** [*All Trees*]<br />
** [comm-central]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
** [comm-aurora]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
*** Linux x86 and x64 ok.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Linux*: Busted. Waiting for review on patches for c-b from {{bug|1190773}}.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
** [comm-release]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
*** Linux x86 and x64 ok after {{bug|1190773}} has been checked in.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
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==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* Linux (32&amp;64) Trunk builds are still appearing at ftp.m.o., though some days the nightly is missing and only hourlies ("tinderbox-builds") are to be found.<br />
* Trunk is now built with Lightning packaged-in, as an unzipped extension in <tt>INSTALLDIR/extensions/{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}/</tt> where INSTALLDIR may be (in a typical Linux case) <tt>/usr/local/seamonkey</tt>. See {{Bug|516026}} (Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled).<br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.43 (no ETA yet). <br />
* All fixes for 2.43 are in comm-release but some patches for building Lightning 4.8b1 were not checked in. Ratty will inquire and will check them in if required.<br />
* {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.43. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox and may be backed out there too. <br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.<br />
* Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* Next mozilla-beta&rarr;release migration is scheduled for May 30th, remaining merges for June 6th<br />
* Main action of comm-beta is in THUNDERBIRD452b1_2016051723_RELBRANCH as before <br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* There is still no matching Lightning version for 2.43 and since Thunderbird skipped the TB 46.0 beta, there may not be any (Lightning 4.8b1).<br />
** '''[Fallen]''': If you generate one using <tt>--enable-calendar</tt>, which produces all the locales similar to how this candidates directory looks like: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/candidates/4.5b1-candidates/ then I can upload that to AMO.<br />
** Trunk is now built with <tt>--enable-calendar</tt>, see [[#Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting]] above.<br />
** some patches which only landed on the Thunderbird 45.1b1 release branch may still need to be transplanted to comm-release default.<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
** The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* Adrians patch in {{Bug|516026}} 'Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled' is now ready for check-in. The first Seamonkey version which will come with Lightning is 2.44.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 ====<br />
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
<br />
==== 2.43 ====<br />
<!-- let's maintain two sections, this one for the *upcoming* release --><br />
* (This should probably also include fixes that landed in 2.41 and 2.42)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&f6=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.43 fixed] (11)<br />
<br />
==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick.<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.<br />
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.<br />
** We've picked up he default for <tt>security.tls.version.min</tt> from Mozilla Core, but <tt>security.tls.version.fallback-limit</tt> is new. <s>So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI ({{Bug|1123673}})</s> '''WONTFIX'''.<br />
*** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff.<br />
** {{Bug|1262880}} removed the add-on compatibility check from application update. rsx11m will fix our part in {{Bug|1269133}}<br />
** Ratty will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 32 new, 13 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, above-average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features. <br />
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.<br />
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.<br />
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** No sufficiently plausible specifics provided 'why' full themes 'must' no longer be supported.<br />
*** No clear statements by the Firefox drivers, bug has been restricted for comments since.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** See bsmedberg's post [https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/5306/14 #14], targeted for Gecko 49 (April 2016).<br />
*** May prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey.<br />
*** Removal is "decided" without any clear alternative envisioned.<br />
<br />
* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official"&nbsp;?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)<br />
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora &amp; 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".<br />
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".<br />
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)<br />
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''<u>Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.</u>'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added.<br />
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46. <br />
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.46a1 unusable.<br />
* {{Bug|1273240}} XUL 'text-link' should open tabs rather than windows.<br />
* {{Bug|1273682}} Port Bug 1035125 to Seamonkey. Remove sandboxbroker.dll. Build break. Edit 05/22 fixed<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2013/VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.<br />
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1269133}} Remove add-on compatibility check from application update<br />
Ready to land on comm-central, waiting for branch approval:<br />
* {{Bug|1272888}} Initial Mail & News window width and Preferences dialog can't accommodate Lightning elements, cut off contents<br />
* {{Bug|1215150}} Browser Preferences dialog's contents clipped at the right<br />
Ready to land on comm-central, waiting for core patch:<br />
* {{Bug|1269773}} Remove Kinto and Safe-Browsing preferences from SeaMonkey's browser-prefs.js after they were moved to global all.js<br />
** patches in {{bug|1266235}} dependent on finalized, yet waiting for those to check in again<br />
Waiting for reviews:<br />
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition and allow Paragraph mode as default<br />
** adopts new "compose HTML in Paragraph mode" feature from {{bug|330891}} ''without'' making it the default<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes only for now, TLS 1.3 has been enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}<br />
Preliminary patches:<br />
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working<br />
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey<br />
* {{Bug|983689}} With "Lightning" active: preferences window too big for netbook<br />
** respect actual screen sizes and provide scrollbars when necessary<br />
** still doesn't resize correctly for initial opening<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1273298}} Add-ons are disabled on trunk builds, claiming they could not be verified to work with SeaMonkey<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|433001}} Base default Mail & Newsgroup window size on available screen size<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-24&diff=1133994SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-242016-05-24T05:59:33Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Agenda */</p>
<hr />
<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=24&month=5&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 24 May, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* [Ratty:] '''rkent''' has stated that he will not uplift the suite parts of changesets to SeaMonkey branches that are perma-CLOSED unless he gets a perma-APPROVED from SeaMonkey team. Since he is the TB module owner and a TB-driver I think it's a reasonable request.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing.<br />
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. ''Ratty''' is currently reviewing these and other patches to make this happen Some patches have already landed.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** en-US trunk hourlies and nightlies are being published again since 2016-04-25 for L32, L64 and Mac but not Windows. Still no new langpacks or localized builds at ftp.m.o.<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* [26th April 2016]<br />
** [*All Trees*]<br />
** [comm-central]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. <br />
** [comm-aurora]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
*** Linux x86 and x64 ok.<br />
** [comm-beta]<br />
*** Linux*: Busted. Waiting for review on patches for c-b from {{bug|1190773}}.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
** [comm-release]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
*** Linux x86 and x64 ok after {{bug|1190773}} has been checked in.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
<!-- Comment out this section if nothing new fixed --><br />
==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
* Linux (32&amp;64) Trunk builds are still appearing at ftp.m.o., though some days the nightly is missing and only hourlies ("tinderbox-builds") are to be found.<br />
* Trunk is now built with Lightning packaged-in, as an unzipped extension in <tt>INSTALLDIR/extensions/{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}/</tt> where INSTALLDIR may be (in a typical Linux case) <tt>/usr/local/seamonkey</tt>. See {{Bug|516026}} (Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled).<br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* Next release will be 2.43 (no ETA yet). <br />
* All fixes for 2.43 are in comm-release but some patches for building Lightning 4.8b1 were not checked in. Ratty will inquire and will check them in if required.<br />
* {{bug|1234012}} will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.43. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox and may be backed out there too. <br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.<br />
* Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.<br />
* Next mozilla-beta&rarr;release migration is scheduled for May 30th, remaining merges for June 6th<br />
* Main action of comm-beta is in THUNDERBIRD452b1_2016051723_RELBRANCH as before <br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ alternative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* There is still no matching Lightning version for 2.43 and since Thunderbird skipped the TB 46.0 beta, there may not be any (Lightning 4.8b1).<br />
** '''[Fallen]''': If you generate one using <tt>--enable-calendar</tt>, which produces all the locales similar to how this candidates directory looks like: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/candidates/4.5b1-candidates/ then I can upload that to AMO.<br />
** Trunk is now built with <tt>--enable-calendar</tt>, see [[#Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting]] above.<br />
** some patches which only landed on the Thunderbird 45.1b1 release branch may still need to be transplanted to comm-release default.<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
** The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* Adrians patch in {{Bug|516026}} 'Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled' is now ready for check-in. The first Seamonkey version which will come with Lightning is 2.44.<br />
<br />
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
<br />
==== 2.40 ====<br />
<!-- let's maintain two sections, this one for the *current* release --><br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
<br />
==== 2.43 ====<br />
<!-- let's maintain two sections, this one for the *upcoming* release --><br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey243&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.43 targeted] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey243&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey242&f6=cf_status_seamonkey241&v2=2.43 fixed] (11)<br />
<br />
==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick.<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
<!-- ** &mdash; --><br />
* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** &mdash;<br />
<!--Please update if necessary--><br />
* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.<br />
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.<br />
** We've picked up he default for <tt>security.tls.version.min</tt> from Mozilla Core, but <tt>security.tls.version.fallback-limit</tt> is new. <s>So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI ({{Bug|1123673}})</s> '''WONTFIX'''.<br />
*** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff.<br />
** {{Bug|1262880}} removed the add-on compatibility check from application update. rsx11m will fix our part in {{Bug|1269133}}<br />
** Ratty will look at {{Bug|995095}} 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'<br />
<br />
=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 32 new, 13 fixed, 9 triaged.<br />
* low triaging effort, above-average number of new bugs files.<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]<br />
<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features. <br />
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.<br />
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.<br />
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** No sufficiently plausible specifics provided 'why' full themes 'must' no longer be supported.<br />
*** No clear statements by the Firefox drivers, bug has been restricted for comments since.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** See bsmedberg's post [https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/5306/14 #14], targeted for Gecko 49 (April 2016).<br />
*** May prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey.<br />
*** Removal is "decided" without any clear alternative envisioned.<br />
<br />
* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official"&nbsp;?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)<br />
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora &amp; 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".<br />
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".<br />
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)<br />
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}<br />
<br />
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''<u>Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.</u>'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|521861}} After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.<br />
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added.<br />
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46. <br />
* {{Bug|1272401}} Port Firefox Bug 1241085 Parts 2 and 3, and maybe 4. Bug makes 2.46a1 unusable.<br />
* {{Bug|1273240}} XUL 'text-link' should open tabs rather than windows.<br />
* {{Bug|1273682}} Port Bug 1035125 to Seamonkey. Remove sandboxbroker.dll. Build break. Edit 05/22 fixed<br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2013/VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.<br />
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.<br />
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
<br />
==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
==== Ratty ====<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central:<br />
* {{Bug|1269133}} Remove add-on compatibility check from application update<br />
Ready to land on comm-central, waiting for branch approval:<br />
* {{Bug|1272888}} Initial Mail & News window width and Preferences dialog can't accommodate Lightning elements, cut off contents<br />
* {{Bug|1215150}} Browser Preferences dialog's contents clipped at the right<br />
Ready to land on comm-central, waiting for core patch:<br />
* {{Bug|1269773}} Remove Kinto and Safe-Browsing preferences from SeaMonkey's browser-prefs.js after they were moved to global all.js<br />
** patches in {{bug|1266235}} dependent on finalized, yet waiting for those to check in again<br />
Waiting for reviews:<br />
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition and allow Paragraph mode as default<br />
** adopts new "compose HTML in Paragraph mode" feature from {{bug|330891}} ''without'' making it the default<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes only for now, TLS 1.3 has been enabled on trunk builds per {{bug|1250568}}<br />
Preliminary patches:<br />
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working<br />
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey<br />
* {{Bug|983689}} With "Lightning" active: preferences window too big for netbook<br />
** respect actual screen sizes and provide scrollbars when necessary<br />
** still doesn't resize correctly for initial opening<br />
Filed:<br />
* {{Bug|1273298}} Add-ons are disabled on trunk builds, claiming they could not be verified to work with SeaMonkey<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|433001}} Base default Mail & Newsgroup window size on available screen size<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
<br />
==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
<br />
=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Cheehttps://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-10&diff=1131997SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-05-102016-05-10T11:34:33Z<p>Philip Chee: /* Release Train */</p>
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<div><small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|&laquo; last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting &raquo;]]</small><br />
<br />
'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''<br />
<br />
* Time: [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=10&month=5&year=2016&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 10 May, 2016, 12:00 UTC]<br />
** (8am Eastern, 1pm UK, 2pm Central Europe, 8pm Hong Kong)<br />
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]<br />
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]<br />
* Participants (in order of appearance): <br />
<br />
== Agenda ==<br />
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''<br />
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:<br />
** '''TBD'''<br />
<br />
=== Action Items ===<br />
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)<br />
We should assign people to the open items.<br />
<br />
'''NEW'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''OPEN'''<br />
* Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.<br />
** Mcsmurf will generate an updated key and pass it to Ewong who will then upload it to our build machines.<br />
** Update from Ewong: <s>Hasn't received the key from mcsmurf yet.</s><br />
** Per {{bug|903439#c10}}, ewong has the Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service, not clear about Safe Browsing)<br />
* '''IanN''' to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)<br />
** TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.<br />
* &mdash;<br />
'''CLOSED'''<br />
* &mdash;<br />
<br />
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===<br />
<!--Please update accordingly--><br />
Previously on Jessica Jones:<br />
* [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-04-26#Release_Train Followup to discussion in meeting notes for 2016-04-26]<br />
* Chatzilla locale generation: '''Frg''' investigating why the L10n xpi isn't being added into the installer. <br />
Routine reports:<br />
* Notes:<br />
** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be <s>until January at earliest</s> any time soon.<br />
** '''Ewong''' will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.<br />
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. ''Ratty''' is currently reviewing these and other patches to make this happen.<br />
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).<br />
** en-US trunk hourlies and nightlies are being published again since 2016-04-25 for L32, L64 and Mac but not Windows. Still no new langpacks or localized builds at ftp.m.o.<br />
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).<br />
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.<br />
* [26th April 2016]<br />
** [*All Trees*]<br />
** [comm-central]<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
** [comm-beta, comm-release]<br />
*** Linux*: Busted. Waiting for review on patches for c-b and c-r from {{bug|1190773}}.<br />
*** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}.<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.<br />
<!-- Comment out this section if nothing new fixed --><br />
==== Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting ====<br />
On the eve of last meeting, new trunk builds started appearing at ftp.m.o again (except for Windows) but it wasn't mentioned in this section.<br />
<br />
=== Release Train ===<br />
* SeaMonkey 2.40 is out.<br />
* Next release will be 2.43 (no ETA yet).<br />
* Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These will be 2.42.x releases.<br />
** [frg] I used 2.42 too since Beta 1. It is stable as 2.43, I backported Data Manager and a few other fixed bugs like Safe Browsing.<br />
** Need to check how to port L10n changes from SeaMonkey 2.43 to comm-esr. {{Bug|1240738}} tracks l10n changes that need uplifting to 2.42.x in case we build from 45.x ESR.<br />
* Merges were performed as scheduled on April 25 (mozilla-beta &rarr; release: April 15).<br />
** Thunderbird did not do a beta this cycle. Normally a Lightning XPI is generated as part of a TB Beta release. And that Lightning version matches SeaMonkey 2.45 binary API.<br />
*** not clear about necessary calendar/ patches to build Lightning 48.b1 ourselves<br />
* Next mozilla-beta&rarr;release migration is scheduled for May 30th, remaining merges for June 6th<br />
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]<br />
<br />
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===<br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.<br />
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] (outdated), [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ altertative list started] (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)<br />
* There is still no matching Lightning version for 2.43 and since Thunderbird skipped the TB 46.0 beta, there may not be any (Lightning 4.8b1).<br />
** '''[Fallen]''': If you generate one using <tt>--enable-calendar</tt>, which produces all the locales similar to how this candidates directory looks like: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/candidates/4.5b1-candidates/ then I can upload that to AMO.<br />
** some patches which only landed on the Thunderbird 45.1b1 release branch may still need to be transplanted to comm-release default.<br />
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].<br />
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.<br />
** '''[http://forums.mozillazine.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217009 Lemon Juice]''' continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [https://github.com/lemon-juice/addonconverter].<br />
** looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.<br />
** Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)<br />
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.<br />
** The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.<br />
* The Thunderbird team is currently shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. '''IanN is working on shipping Lightning with SeaMonkey'''. Related bugs:<br />
** {{Bug|516026}} Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled<br />
** {{Bug|1130854}} Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.<br />
** {{Bug|1113183}} Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.<br />
** {{Bug|1130852}} Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].<br />
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=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===<br />
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.<br />
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]<br />
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.<br />
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''<br />
<!--* 2.16 had ~X ADU by Tuesday 12th March and has had ~Y downloads so far.<br />
** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.--><br />
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.<br />
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==== 2.40 ====<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey240&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.40 targeted] (2)<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey240&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey239&f6=cf_status_seamonkey238&v2=2.40 fixed] (14)<br />
* [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/ SeaMonkey 2.40 Release Notes]<br />
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==== 2.Next ====<br />
* We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:<br />
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.<br />
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.<br />
* Stalled. Needs a kick.<br />
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).<br />
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].<br />
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* Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):<br />
** &mdash;<br />
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:<br />
** Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.<br />
*** '''about:config''' Fixed in SeaMonkey {{Bug|1222816}}.<br />
*** '''about:privatebrowsing''' Fixed in SeaMonkey [{{Bug|1192276}}<br />
**** Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.<br />
*** Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [{{Bug|1222817}}], about:support [{{Bug|1222818}}] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).<br />
*** Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: {{bug|1097111}} - SeaMonkey tracking in {{bug|1133743}}.<br />
*** Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.<br />
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.<br />
** {{Bug|566746}} (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|912031}} Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.<br />
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.<br />
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:<br />
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Neil has a WIP patch on hand'''.<br />
** We've picked up he default for <tt>security.tls.version.min</tt> from Mozilla Core, but <tt>security.tls.version.fallback-limit</tt> is new. <s>So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI ({{Bug|1123673}})</s> '''WONTFIX'''.<br />
*** '''Rsx11m''' filed {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.<br />
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.<br />
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.<br />
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.<br />
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff.<br />
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=== Feature List, Planning ===<br />
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 38 new, 4 fixed, 12 triaged.<br />
* medium triaging effort, above-average number of new bugs files (lots of which coming from {{Bug|1268037}}, Help cleanup 2016).<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 67 review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]<br />
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]<br />
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.<br />
*'''TODO:'''<br />
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features. <br />
*** Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked in {{Bug|1243203}}.<br />
*** Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.<br />
** Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in {{Bug|1258226}}<br />
*** Also see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Tasks_%26_Projects/debugQA2#ToDos SeaMonkey -> Tasks & Projects -> debugQA2 -> TODO]<br />
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management<br />
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only<br />
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox<br />
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well<br />
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]<br />
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]<br />
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].<br />
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''<br />
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]<br />
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]<br />
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:<br />
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes<br />
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.<br />
*** No sufficiently plausible specifics provided 'why' full themes 'must' no longer be supported.<br />
*** No clear statements by the Firefox drivers, bug has been restricted for comments since.<br />
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/<br />
*** See bsmedberg's post [https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/5306/14 #14], targeted for Gecko 49 (April 2016).<br />
*** May prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey.<br />
*** Removal is "decided" without any clear alternative envisioned.<br />
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* '''What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at seamonkey-project.org and at ftp.m.o as "official"&nbsp;?''' — [[User:Tonymec|Tonymec]] ([[User talk:Tonymec|talk]]) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)<br />
** On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora &amp; 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".<br />
** How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".<br />
** Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of {{bug|1208822}} "System Requirements page needs update"?)<br />
** [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. {{bug|1209378}}<br />
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=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===<br />
'''<u>Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.</u>'''<br />
<br />
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).<br />
==== Aqualon ====<br />
==== Callek ====<br />
==== ewong ====<br />
==== frg ====<br />
<br />
Waiting for review / branch check in or feedback:<br />
* {{Bug|1055954}} Popup exceptions are not added. Updated patch for popup menu.<br />
* {{Bug|1224437}} No "Publishing completed" status after green tick, publishing does not terminate. Fixed for now in m-c {{Bug|1269412}}. Fixed 05/09.<br />
* {{Bug|1269195}} Data Manager enhancements for non domain permissions and preferences. Fixed 05/09.<br />
* {{Bug|1256714}} Aero Peek not working. Filed {{Bug|1269810}} for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46. <br />
<br />
Working on:<br />
* {{Bug|1258226}} Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.<br />
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.<br />
<br />
Titbits:<br />
* Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.<br />
<br />
Other things on my mind:<br />
* --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2013/VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.<br />
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by {{Bug|1210791}}. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Asked Adrin but haven't heard back yet.<br />
* When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.<br />
:: '''''Comment from 03/29:''''' I am working on this problem. We have lots of [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Client%20Software&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=SeaMonkey&list_id=12936940 UNCONFIRMED Bugs], many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them ''Core'' half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
::: Some more precise statistics [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/03/30/qa-statistics-for-old-seamonkey-bugs/ here in the unofficial blog]. -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)<br />
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==== IanN ====<br />
==== InvisibleSmiley ====<br />
==== KaiRo ====<br />
==== mcsmurf ====<br />
==== Misak ====<br />
==== Mnyromyr ====<br />
==== Neil ====<br />
==== Px ====<br />
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====<br />
I can't participate<br />
; Please decide<br />
* Whether ''{{Bug|1271291}} - New URL not shown when containing a few UTF8 characters " has <span style="background:#FFFF00">'''security impact </span>and access should be restricted.''<br />
; currently working on<br />
* I am submitting a bigger number of Bugs or enhancement requests (goal: 1 per day) for ''SeaMonkey'' '''[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=12982318&resolution=---&classification=Client%20Software&chfieldto=Now&query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=-360d&component=Help%20Documentation&product=SeaMonkey Help]'''. Soon I will start to try to find some more volunteers additionally to ''Akshay Jain''. My request to involved developers: Please try to help the volunteers in a way that they have time to find fixes themselves and that they learn to contribute in an orderly way: first reproduce the observations, then decide whether it's a bug, then find the source and so on. <br />
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* Updating [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/compatibility/ Add-On-Converter compatibility list]if there is feedback - mostly there is none- <br />
* QA, Bug confirming and so on as usual<br />
:<br />
; ToDos<br />
*'''''[http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Internet/Clients/SeaMonkey/ DMOZ]''''' SeaMonkey related localized entries: <br />
** [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/04/22/seamonkey-project-on-dmoz-2/ Review] with low priority<br />
* First report concerning my '''''private donation campaign''''' (should have be done already in April)<br />
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==== Ratty ====<br />
Fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1269412}} In nsWebBrowserPersist::EndDownload set <tt>mCompleted = true</tt> before issuing the state stop notification.<br />
** This fixes {{Bug|1224437}}[1] on comm-central and comm-aurora. For comm-beta and comm-release a SeaMonkey patch was landed.<br />
** [1] No "Publishing completed" status after green tick, publishing does not terminate.<br />
In Progress:<br />
* Not much. Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.<br />
Investigating:<br />
* {{Bug|1267666}} Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.<br />
* {{Bug|995095}} Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.<br />
** Mozilla-central {{Bug|1223728}} Removed the unifiedcomplete pref and the urlinline component. The remaining nsPlacesAutocomplete component will be removed too unless we move it to comm-central/suite/. Note we never used the urlinline component.<br />
** Alternatively use unified autocomplete by replacing <tt>autocompletesearch="history"</tt> with <tt>"unifiedcomplete"</tt>. The latter includes history but with other stuff too.<br />
TODO:<br />
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.<br />
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.<br />
* {{Bug|1116223}} Thunderbird: Move overrides to default theme chrome.manifest.<br />
Other stuff:<br />
* Did some reviews and approvals.<br />
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.<br />
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].<br />
<br />
==== rsx11m ====<br />
Pushed to comm-central and comm-aurora:<br />
* {{Bug|533984}} Remove mention of Thunderbird in the description of the Lightning XPI<br />
** makes the description of the Lightning XPI generic and application independent as we intend to ship it with SM releases by default as well<br />
Waiting for reviews:<br />
* {{Bug|1265534}} Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition as well<br />
** adopts new "compose HTML in Paragraph mode" feature from {{bug|330891}} ''without'' making it the default<br />
* {{Bug|1267631}} Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time<br />
** string changes only for now, checkbox addition has to wait until core patches are landing<br />
* {{Bug|1269133}} Remove add-on compatibility check from application update<br />
** resulting from {{bug|1262880}} removing that functionality<br />
** also porting {{bug|1268340}} on notification timing<br />
Preliminary patches posted (waiting for dependencies):<br />
* {{Bug|1269773}} Remove Kinto and Safe-Browsing preferences from SeaMonkey's browser-prefs.js after they were moved to global all.js<br />
** depends on further action in {{bug|1266235}} while {{bug|1033450}} has already landed<br />
* {{Bug|1271091}} Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working<br />
** waiting for {{bug|903439}} to enable this feature for SeaMonkey<br />
Won't-fixed:<br />
* {{Bug|1123673}} Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.<br />
Other:<br />
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.<br />
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].<br />
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==== sgautherie ====<br />
==== stefanh ====<br />
==== tonymec ====<br />
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=== Any other business? ===<br />
* &mdash;</div>Philip Chee