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Topic: Web Compatibility Work Week (lawrence)

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	* '''lawrence''': I know someone as well at Twitter I can reach out to. Perhaps Pinterest? It might be good to spend an afternoon to build relationships. Let's go ahead and dump ideas here in this etherpad and create an agenda section.		* '''lawrence''': I know someone as well at Twitter I can reach out to. Perhaps Pinterest? It might be good to spend an afternoon to build relationships. Let's go ahead and dump ideas here in this etherpad and create an agenda section.

			Fill the [https://etherpad.mozilla.org/webcompat work week agenda on Etherpad] (bottom of the page)

	== Topic: Chinese Web sites (hallvord) ==		== Topic: Chinese Web sites (hallvord) ==

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	* '''karl''': I'll document it.		* '''karl''': I'll document it.


	~~== Topic: Brainstorming Workweek agenda items ==~~

	* Meetups with Google, Twitter, Pinterest, others? Ebay? Microsoft (seattle)?
	* Build out webcompat.com, at least high-level architectural decisions (i.e., sitemap, content-type)
	* Finalize procedures for generating bug reports from automated testing - or vice versa, reporting bugs and let the automated tools analyze and annotate them.
	* Make sure everyone on the team has tested and given feedback on the automated tools and ways to use them for daily work
	* New individual project definitions
	* Hack session to create new tools/add features/fix bugs to existing tools (maybe this happens organically in a less structured time block)
	* Eat Burritos

	== Topic: Broken Voices of the Web ==		== Topic: Broken Voices of the Web ==

Karlcow: Minutes of Web Compatibility Meeting from January 13, 2014

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Minutes of Web Compatibility Meeting from January 13, 2014

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* [[Compatibility/Mobile|Mobile Web Compatibility]] Meeting - 2014-01-13
* [[Compatibility/Mobile#Minutes_and_Progress_Reports|Minutes]]: [[Compatibility/Mobile/2014-01-06|Previous 2014-01-06]]

Meeting: Mobile Web Compatibility Weekly
Agenda: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/webcompat
Chair: Karl
Scribe: Mike
Regrets:

== Topic: next meeting ==
Next meeting: The next meetings will be on January 20, 2014

* '''mike''': Next Monday is a holiday in USA, so I won't be attending, we'll need someone to volunteer as scribe.
* '''adam''': I'll do it.

== Topic: Web Compatibility Work Week (lawrence) ==
There will be a Web Compatibility work week from Feb 3 to Feb 7 included in Mountain View, California, USA at Mozilla office.
Are volunteers for Work week will be invited? yes!
Everyone has booked? yes
Agenda for the week (someone take the responsibility)?
Meeting Google? Others?

* '''karl''': Should we create an agenda?
* '''lawrence''': Absolutely. I prefer at least a tentative agenda for work weeks. We should spend a day of webcompat.com, but I'm interested in what others topics we should work on. One thing that's useful is to ask what we think we should get out of it beforehand so we can evaluate if we've met our goals. I'll create an etherpad or wiki page where we can dump ideas. Do we want to try to meet with Google, etc?
* '''mike''': I can ask my friend Angus for twitter meeting too for mobile issues on firefox android/firefox os.
* '''lawrence''': I know someone as well at Twitter I can reach out to. Perhaps Pinterest? It might be good to spend an afternoon to build relationships. Let's go ahead and dump ideas here in this etherpad and create an agenda section.

== Topic: Chinese Web sites (hallvord) ==
Hallvord has worked on many chinese Web sites. Additional findings since the [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.compatibility/CMLyzJLGc8E raw stats]. Things we should learn for the next survey of this type?

* '''karl''': There has been a surge of work related to Chinese web sites thanks to Hallvord. Any findings or things you would like to share?
* '''hallvord''': I've been playing around with efficient ways to use the information we get from automated testing. I'm still figuring out the process, using marionette, compatipede, and another script using phantomjs to take screenshots. Right now I'm comparing screenshots and if it appears there are issues I dig into the errors reported in our compatipede database. So we have lots of analyzed bugs just waiting for a Chinese volunteer to help with contacting, or some Chinese Mozilla staff.
* '''lawrence''': Did you test with the Chinese fork of Fennec w/ WebKit support?
* '''hallvord''': no
* '''lawrence''': It's something to keep in mind, as it may complicate verifiying things.
* '''karl''': Are you creating bugs by hand? Or do you have a button to push?
* '''hallvord''': I'm doing it by hand now. I'm waiting on web interface that seif is working on.
* '''mike''': I was also curious about an interface that we could push URLs to or create reports.
* '''hallvord''': It's coming but there are some security concerns with pushing arbitrary URLs, etc. It should be fine for everyone on the team, or at least people with ssh access. It also shouldn't be too hard to add the ability to automatically upload side by side comparisons of screenshots to Bugzilla.
* '''karl''': I was also wondering if there was a difference between mainland China and Tawainese sites.
* '''hallvord''': I don't know. This list seems of mixed quality, I'm unsure if there are Taiwanese sites in it.

== Topic: xml as text for wap (karl) ==
Error message and or results not very helpful for users. Should we open a bug to encourage something friendlier?

* '''karl''': The kinds of error messages users get when pages are sent with the WAP mimetype aren't very useful (similar for XML parsing errors). Should we open a bug on this?
* '''miketaylr''': It seems it is just a question of changing the string.
* '''hallvord''': It seems the standard behavior on Android is to download the file. Is there an actual error message? Should we push for an actual error message in the browser itself, rather than a download?
* '''lawrence''': I think it's worth raising a question, perhaps on dev-b2g mailing list it's interesting.

== Topic: Weekly project meeting updates (mike) ==
We'll (try to) given an update during the weekly project meeting about important things related to web compat that happened during the week.

* '''mike''': some other projects give status update. So I did it today on Weekly Updates. It's a very short 60 second updates.
* '''lawrence''': we did in the past for broader topics.
* '''mike''': let me share the minutes [https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2014-01-13#Web_Compatibility Web Compatibility Status update]
* '''lawrence''': I like this idea. Might be a good way to ask for contacts to specific companies.
* '''mike''': after talking about the m3u8 bug brought on the meeting, more people participated.
* '''lawrence''': The stuff listed there is good and handy.
* '''adam''': We could have a top ten list of sites it might be worth to advertise the list.
* '''lawrence''': calling out some major sites might be useful.
* '''mike''': We don't need to have much process around that. Send it to me. I will take the responsibility of doing it every week (when not on holidays).
* '''lawrence''': On the topic of the project meeting, when we're in M(oun)T(ain)V(iew) I'd like to introduce us all as a group.

== Topic: Work in progress bugs contactready vs sitewait ==
* '''adam''': I do have one question. If we have a bug that's related to something that's WIP, e.g., M3U8 playlist for FxOS, if there's a bug that's contactready, should it not be contactready?
* '''hallvord''': If there's a bug that's only broken because we lack M3U8 support, we should hold off on contacting them.
* '''adam''': should I change the whiteboard tag?
* '''hallvord''': I've been using [notcontactready], as a sort of a joke. You could also just remove the contactready and add a dependency.
* '''mike''': We should document [notdocumentready] and use that. Sounds good.
* '''karl''': I'll document it.

== Topic: Brainstorming Workweek agenda items ==

* Meetups with Google, Twitter, Pinterest, others? Ebay? Microsoft (seattle)?
* Build out webcompat.com, at least high-level architectural decisions (i.e., sitemap, content-type)
* Finalize procedures for generating bug reports from automated testing - or vice versa, reporting bugs and let the automated tools analyze and annotate them.
* Make sure everyone on the team has tested and given feedback on the automated tools and ways to use them for daily work
* New individual project definitions
* Hack session to create new tools/add features/fix bugs to existing tools (maybe this happens organically in a less structured time block)
* Eat Burritos

== Topic: Broken Voices of the Web ==

Check the [http://planet.webcompat.com Planet Web Compatibility] for the community news. Here a few posts lately published.

* 2014-01-10 - [https://miketaylr.com/posts/2014/01/thanks-google-percent-3-f.html Thanks Google?] by mike
* 2014-01-08 - [https://miketaylr.com/posts/2014/01/useragent-switcher-xml.html User Agent Switcher XML file] by mike
* 2014-01-06 - [http://www.otsukare.info/2014/01/06/old-browsers Old browsers, does it matter?] by karl

== Topic: Things which have been discussed ==

* karl (moved there) and hallvord (a couple of months) are in Japan. Things possible to do when we [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.compatibility/lEzuhzegUUQ are in Japan] with regards to Web compatibility in Japan and asian region.
* [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.compatibility/GInAPHmsv84 Content planning] for webcompat.com
* [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.compatibility/4byPrzunNII -webkit- table equivalents]
* What has [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.compatibility/rp6pKoXxr5U been done in 2013] report
* [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.compatibility/BxKlTyu4qdE Tee-shirt design]
* [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.compatibility/w9ahtD2wcAI M3u8 and firefox]
* [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.compatibility/mRX_6f96EzM UA override management script]
* [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.compatibility/yHLklHP-_5E CSS Problem finder]

== Topic: Web Compatibility Progress ==
=== FIXED (no DUPLICATE) ===

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=956998 Detectizr lib detects Firefox OS tablet UA device.model as ""null""] 2014-01-07 FIXED
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888733 m.crunchyroll.com can’t play a video] 2014-01-07 WONTFIX
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953047 Poor experience with m.yahoo.com (general page)] 2014-01-06 WORKSFORME
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957456 wap.abchina.com sends WAP page] 2014-01-07 INVALID
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957469 3g.shike.org.cn sends WAP page] 2014-01-07 INVALID
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957471 wap.jobcn.com sends WAP page] 2014-01-07 INVALID
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957480 wap.zcarw.com sends WAP page] 2014-01-07 INVALID
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957483 yetuba.com sends WAP page] 2014-01-07 INVALID
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957492 9xiao.cn sends WAP page] 2014-01-07 INVALID
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=935898 usopen.org sends desktop content to FirefoxOS] 2014-01-06 FIXED
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=843124 maruccisports.com doesn't recognize B2G UA as mobile] 2014-01-06 FIXED
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=928074 Selecting any menu option on Google Plus mobile site on FxAndroid does nothing] 2014-01-05 FIXED

=== NEW ===

* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=956915 thedailybanter.com does not work in Firefox for Android] 2014-01-06
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=956972 Messy rendering on Yahoo Japan mobile site] 2014-01-06
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957043 mixi.jp sends the desktop version for Firefox on Mobile] 2014-01-06
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957205 handsetdetection.com does not recognize B2G as mobile device] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957440 sina.cn sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957444 news.3g.cn sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957453 wap.lexun.com sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957454 tx.com.cn sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957457 mp3.3g.cn sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957459 novel.iask.cn sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957462 kong.net sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957464 youyuan.com sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957465 wap.51.com sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957470 wap.ip138.com sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957472 3g.pp.cn sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957474 lady.3g.net.cn sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957476 wap.3ggpw.cn sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957478 3g.163.com sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957482 wap.ifeng.com sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957484 wenwen.wap.soso.com sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957496 wap.ireader.com sends WAP page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957500 livedoor.com delivers desktop content to Firefox OS] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957505 vip.com sends Firefox OS to Desktop site] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957515 m.xxsy.net - webkit styling breaks layout] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957517 smart.mail.163.com - some odd rendering on login page] 2014-01-07
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957527 m.qzone.com login page - background to large, makes header messy] 2014-01-08
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957590 weather1.sina.cn sends simplified mobile page to Firefox OS] 2014-01-08
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957596 m.xiangha.com - broken rendering of navigation menu] 2014-01-08
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957602 m.guahao.com sends Firefox OS to desktop site] 2014-01-08
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957701 B2G Browser nydailynews.com serves desktop site to b2g (which can result in tab crashing)] 2014-01-08
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957819 m.qunar.com does not automatically redirect to touch.qunar.com] 2014-01-08
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957827 wap.elong.com does not automatically redirect to m.elong.com] 2014-01-08
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957840 tmall.com does not automatically redirect to m.tmall.com] 2014-01-08
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957843 m.lashou.com sends simplified site to Firefox OS] 2014-01-08
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957846 wap.2kk.mobi sends desktop site to Firefox OS] 2014-01-08
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957853 hotmail.com / mail.live.com sends desktop content to Firefox OS] 2014-01-08
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957956 book.easou.com sends simplified mobile page to Firefox OS and Firefox on Android] 2014-01-08
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957958 m.idnes.cz offers simple content for Firefox OS] 2014-01-09
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957960 m.hongshu.com navigation rendering broken due to -webkit- CSS for flexbox] 2014-01-09
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957963 m.cntv.cn links to M3U8 files to play video, doesn't work on Firefox OS] 2014-01-09
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957970 mt.hupu.com/nba redirects to simplified mobile site] 2014-01-09
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958194 m.taobao.com sends a different site for Firefox OS/Firefox Android than on Android stock browser.] 2014-01-09
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958400 goo.ne.jp sends desktop content to Firefox OS] 2014-01-09
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958411 broken rendering on rakuten mobile top page] 2014-01-09
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958415 ameba.jp shows blank page when browsing Firefox Android] 2014-01-09
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958474 abudhabiairport.ae doesn't redirect to mobile site on Firefox OS] 2014-01-10
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958495 tripit.com doesn't recognize B2G UA as mobile] 2014-01-10
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958502 tripit.com mobile landing page doesn't display gradients correctly] 2014-01-10
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958510 tripcase.com doesn't recognize B2G UA as mobile] 2014-01-10
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958514 tripcase.com mobile site doesn't display gradients correctly] 2014-01-10
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958575 Google News - Tablet experience in Chrome for Android superior to Firefox for Android] 2014-01-10
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958708 m.mlb.com - issues with video playback in Fennec and B2G] 2014-01-10
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=958924 The page is not displayed properly, and clicking on tabs doesn't work] 2014-01-12
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=959106 hexin.cn sends Firefox OS simplified page] 2014-01-13
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=959117 m.sogou.com sends simplified site to Firefox OS] 2014-01-13
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=959125 m.hao123.com] 2014-01-13

== Tracked Actions ==
=== ONGOING ===
(move the DONE action items below and add the string DONE and possibly link to the record)

* TODO-20130805-02: hallvord to test in bulk if Web sites are still working with a device information into the UA string Firefox OS. (Bug 901039)

=== DONE ===

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