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IanN: /* Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking */

2020-08-09T16:01:50Z

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

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	* cZ will be integrated into SeaMonkey for the 2.57 release.		* cZ will be integrated into SeaMonkey for the 2.57 release.
	** '''IanN''' suggest forking if and has created {{Bug\|1551033}}.		** '''IanN''' suggest forking it and has created {{Bug\|1551033}}.
	** The language pack for cZ will be removed and a translated cZ will be included. Language packs need to be in WebExtension format for 2.57 otherwise.		** The language pack for cZ will be removed and a translated cZ will be included. Language packs need to be in WebExtension format for 2.57 otherwise.

IanN: /* Release Train */

2020-08-09T15:58:55Z

Release Train

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	*** The 2.53.4 beta release is tracked in {{Bug\|1652314}}.		*** The 2.53.4 beta release is tracked in {{Bug\|1652314}}.
	*** The release notes and website update is tracked in {{Bug\|1652316}}.		*** The release notes and website update is tracked in {{Bug\|1652316}}.
	*** It has been delayed because of missing l10n ~~starings~~ and the startpage search engine integration.		*** It has been delayed because of missing l10n strings and the startpage search engine integration.
	** '''The 2.53.3 final has been released on July 3rd!'''		** '''The 2.53.3 final has been released on July 3rd!'''
	*** The sources can be checked out from the 2_53_3_final branch in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].		*** The sources can be checked out from the 2_53_3_final branch in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].

Frg: status meeting notes

2020-08-09T15:39:45Z

status meeting notes

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	* Location: [irc://chat.freenode.net/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel] on Freenode		* Location: [irc://chat.freenode.net/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel] on Freenode
	* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics\|Basics]]		* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics\|Basics]]
	* Participants (in order of appearance):		* Participants (in order of appearance): IanN frg tonymec teruna WG9s rsx11m

	== Agenda ==		== Agenda ==
	* Who's taking minutes? -> '''~~TBD~~'''		* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg who forgot to do it'''
	* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:		* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
	** '''~~TBD~~'''		** '''hawkeye116477 from Waterfox and also uBlock Legacy for work and patches on the classic branches.'''

	=== Action Items ===		=== Action Items ===
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	* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.		* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
	** '''IanN''' is looking into it.		** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
			* A new search engine startpage.com is integrated into SeaMonkey.
			** Work is tracked in {{Bug\|1655283}}.

	'''CLOSED'''		'''CLOSED'''
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	** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.		** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
	** Mercurial and [https://foss.heptapod.net/mercurial/tortoisehg/thg Tortoise Hg] are now hosted there after bitbucket dropped hg and removed all repos.		** Mercurial and [https://foss.heptapod.net/mercurial/tortoisehg/thg Tortoise Hg] are now hosted there after bitbucket dropped hg and removed all repos.
			* '''frg''' plans to update VS2019 on the Windows builder.
			** This is only so that it is on the latest release. Since 2.53.3 no new compiler revision was added to it.

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	** comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.		** comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
	** {{Bug\|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.		** {{Bug\|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
			*** For building please stay at Rust 1.43 for now on all platforms.
	** See {{Bug\|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages. This is not up to date.		** See {{Bug\|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages. This is not up to date.

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	=== Release Train ===		=== Release Train ===
	* SeaMonkey 2.53.x / Gecko 56 in our gitlab comm-release repo.		* SeaMonkey 2.53.x / Gecko 56 in our gitlab comm-release repo.
	** We plan to release 2.53.4 beta 1 ~~end of July~~ or early in August.		** We plan to release 2.53.4 beta 1 or early in August.
	*** The 2.53.4 beta release is tracked in {{Bug\|1652314}}.		*** The 2.53.4 beta release is tracked in {{Bug\|1652314}}.
	*** The release notes and website update is tracked in {{Bug\|1652316}}.		*** The release notes and website update is tracked in {{Bug\|1652316}}.
			*** It has been delayed because of missing l10n starings and the startpage search engine integration.
	** '''The 2.53.3 final has been released on July 3rd!'''		** '''The 2.53.3 final has been released on July 3rd!'''
	*** The sources can be checked out from the 2_53_3_final branch in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].		*** The sources can be checked out from the 2_53_3_final branch in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].
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	** Toolbar Buttons 1.1 and 1.1.1 is broken because it uses an obsolete and removed string l10n api. Standalone toolbar buttons and 1.0.2.1 seem to work.		** Toolbar Buttons 1.1 and 1.1.1 is broken because it uses an obsolete and removed string l10n api. Standalone toolbar buttons and 1.0.2.1 seem to work.
	** NPAPI support other than for Flash has been discontinued. The release notes address this.		** NPAPI support other than for Flash has been discontinued. The release notes address this.
			** We plan to include av1 and webp support in 2.53.5.
	** The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:		** The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
	*** {{Bug\|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".		*** {{Bug\|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
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	** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.77a1. Gecko is at version 80.		** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.77a1. Gecko is at version 80.
	*** There is a mozilla-esr78 and comm-esr78 repository now.		*** There is a mozilla-esr78 and comm-esr78 repository now.
	**** {{Bug\|1644037}} tracks the TB 78 release. Automatic upgrades ~~will probably only~~ be done ~~after~~ 78.2 ~~was released~~.		**** {{Bug\|1644037}} tracks the TB 78 release. Automatic upgrades are planned to be done for 78.2.

	=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===		=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
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	** DOMi is broken in 2.56+. See {{Bug\|1429936}}.		** DOMi is broken in 2.56+. See {{Bug\|1429936}}.
	*** The developer of DOM Inspector Plus has fixed his extension and we can use the fixes for DOMi.		*** The developer of DOM Inspector Plus has fixed his extension and we can use the fixes for DOMi.
	*** The latest round of new patches for 2.57 has broken it. We ~~will~~ retire it ~~later unless devtools then is missing an important feature from it~~.		*** The latest round of new patches for 2.57 has broken it. We plan to retire it for 2.57.
	** Thunderbird is expanding WebExtension support.		** Thunderbird is expanding WebExtension support and now is using a just invented web extension formal called mail extension.
	** Lightning is packed directly into Thunderbird and SeaMonkey now. This was done in {{Bug\|1451847}} for SeaMonkey.		** Lightning is packed directly into Thunderbird and SeaMonkey now. This was done in {{Bug\|1451847}} for SeaMonkey.
	*** Lightning is also now integrated into Thunderbird and no longer an extension. We think about backporting this for 2.57.		*** Lightning is also now integrated into Thunderbird and no longer an extension. We think about backporting this for 2.57.

	* Thunderbird ~~plans to~~ discontinue classic add-ons with the ~~next~~ ESR78 based release.		* Thunderbird will discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
	** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.		** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
	** Enigmail will be discontinued and OpenPGP is being integrated.		** Enigmail will be discontinued and OpenPGP is being integrated.
	*** The OpenPGP integration is tracked in {{Bug\|22687}}.		*** The OpenPGP integration is tracked in {{Bug\|22687}} and is planned to be fully usable in TB 78.2

	* cZ ~~and DOMi should~~ be integrated into SeaMonkey ~~because of~~ the ~~l10n problem previously tracked in {{Bug\|1231349}}~~.		* cZ will be integrated into SeaMonkey for the 2.57 release.
	** '''IanN''' ~~suggested~~ forking ~~them~~ and has created {{Bug\|1551033}}~~. The l10n files for DOMi will be moved into l10n-central.~~		** '''IanN''' suggest forking if and has created {{Bug\|1551033}}.
	*** '''IanN''' is ready to import them into the comm tree. He just needs to decide when and if (esp with DOMi if devtools can be got to work).
	** The language pack for cZ will be removed and a translated cZ will be included. Language packs need to be in WebExtension format for 2.57 otherwise.		** The language pack for cZ will be removed and a translated cZ will be included. Language packs need to be in WebExtension format for 2.57 otherwise.

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	** debugQA works in 2.57.		** debugQA works in 2.57.
	** Chatzilla 0.9.96 works in 2.53 and 2.57.		** Chatzilla 0.9.96 works in 2.53 and 2.57.
			** DOMi will be dropped.

	* NoScript Classic 5.x is still being updated. You can get it from [https://noscript.net/getit]. Currently 5.1.9.		* NoScript Classic 5.x is still being updated. You can get it from [https://noscript.net/getit]. Currently 5.1.9.
	* uBlock Origin is still being updated. You can get it from [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy].		* uBlock Origin is still being updated. You can get it from [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy].
	The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.20.		The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.24.

	* '''IanN''' created an SM version of the QuickText add-on.		* '''IanN''' created an SM version of the QuickText add-on.

	* ~~We might need a~~ SeaMonkey Calendar component in bugzilla.		* A SeaMonkey Calendar component is now available in bugzilla.

	* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].		* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

IanN: /* IanN */

2020-07-26T13:46:47Z

IanN

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Frg: /* frg */ personal status meeting notes

2020-07-26T11:33:14Z

frg: personal status meeting notes

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 ==== IanN ====
 ==== njsg ====

Rsx11m: /* 2.57.x next esr release branch (future) */ another request here

2020-07-24T21:06:58Z

2.57.x next esr release branch (future): another request here

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	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (63)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (64)
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.57 targeted] (0)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.57 targeted] (0)
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey257esr&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey256&v2=2.57 fixed] (229)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey257esr&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey256&v2=2.57 fixed] (229)

Rsx11m: /* 2.53.x release branch (2.53.3 released) */ updated counts

2020-07-24T21:05:59Z

2.53.x release branch (2.53.3 released): updated counts

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	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (20)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (21)
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (2)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (2)
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (~~184~~)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (194)

	==== 2.57.x next esr release branch (future) ====		==== 2.57.x next esr release branch (future) ====

Rsx11m: /* Action Items */ cleanup new/closed items

2020-07-24T21:04:29Z

Action Items: cleanup new/closed items

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	'''NEW'''		'''NEW'''
	* '''mnyromyr''' needs to move the SeaMonkey e.V. wiki to a new server. '''mcsmurf''' has discussed this with him after the meeting. It will probably be moved to one of our infra servers later.
	* —		* —

	'''OPEN'''		'''OPEN'''
			* '''mnyromyr''' needs to move the SeaMonkey e.V. wiki to a new server. '''mcsmurf''' has discussed this with him after the meeting. It will probably be moved to one of our infra servers later.
	* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. {{Bug\|1356106}} has already been filed.		* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. {{Bug\|1356106}} has already been filed.
	* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.		* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
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	'''CLOSED'''		'''CLOSED'''
	* A calendar component needs to be added to SeaMonkey in Bugzilla (completed, {{Bug\|1649016}}).
	* Status flags for 2.49esr need to be removed for new SeaMonkey bugs (completed, {{Bug\|1649015}}).
	* —		* —

Rsx11m: copied from 2020-07-12 minutes

2020-07-24T21:03:40Z

copied from 2020-07-12 minutes

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<small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]</small>

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=26&month=7&year=2020&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 26 July, 2020, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: [irc://chat.freenode.net/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel] on Freenode
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* '''mnyromyr''' needs to move the SeaMonkey e.V. wiki to a new server. '''mcsmurf''' has discussed this with him after the meeting. It will probably be moved to one of our infra servers later.
* —

'''OPEN'''
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. {{Bug|1356106}} has already been filed.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.

'''CLOSED'''
* A calendar component needs to be added to SeaMonkey in Bugzilla (completed, {{Bug|1649016}}).
* Status flags for 2.49esr need to be removed for new SeaMonkey bugs (completed, {{Bug|1649015}}).
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are building up a new infrastructure using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
** '''ewong''' waits for info from '''mhoye''' to be able to work out traffic requirements.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''frg''' thinks we should move the config files for building out of the source tree as much as possible.
** '''IanN''' remarked that they are tied to the version in the tree.
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
* We are waiting for Mozilla to transfer the SeaMonkey domains to SeaMonkey e.V.
** Domain transfer from Mozilla is well underway. Mozilla has submitted the subdomain information and domains are now transferred one by one.
* We need a breakpad server for submitting crash reports. Thunderbird is also also affected and must set up their own server.
** The date we need to switch has been postponed by Mozilla. We will be able to use the Mozilla crash-stats till Q2 2021.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We are looking at [https://foss.heptapod.net/public hg heptapod] to mirror some of code. Plans not finalized yet.
** If we do this then mirroring between gitlab and heptapod needs to be figured out.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
** Mercurial and [https://foss.heptapod.net/mercurial/tortoisehg/thg Tortoise Hg] are now hosted there after bitbucket dropped hg and removed all repos.



=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Starting with ESR60 2.57 all builds need to switch to mozilla as topsourcedir. Support for comm-central and comm-esr60 as top source dir is no longer supported.
** Do not expect to use any 2.58+ release yet other than for checking if it builds. They are fundamentally broken by Mozilla source and api removals. Bugs for the 2.57 release will also land in comm-central.

* [comm-central]:
** Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
** Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** The installer still works...
** comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
** {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages. This is not up to date.

* [comm-beta]:
** We currently do not track nor update comm-beta.
** Do not try to use any current comm-beta based release.
** See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages.
** Current comm-beta is becoming the next ESR 78.

* [comm-release]:
** We currently do not track nor update comm-release.
** Do not use any current comm-release based release.
** For building please apply the patches from Bills website to the noted comm-release and mozilla-release changeset.
*** An updated unofficial 2.53.4 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
*** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you can also check out from [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab].
*** stylo and webrender building is currently broken but disabled by default.
*** For building please stay at Rust 1.37 for now under Windows.

* [comm-esr78]:
** Thunderbird plans to do a unified comm-esr78 repository including the mozilla Gecko code.
** Thunderbird will use a separate l10n repository to be able to do point releases with l10n changes.
** We are still updating the code and will not be able to do initial ESR78 based releases.

* [comm-esr68]:
** There are currently no plans for a SeaMonkey release based on comm-esr68.
** Do not try to use any comm-esr68 based release.
** We will not track nor update comm-esr68 for now
** The next ESR release will be based on Gecko 78.

* [comm-esr60]:
** The repo is closed. Future patches will be checked into our gitlab 2.57 repos.
*** The gitlab repos have been set up but will remain private until the first alpha build is released. The patches from the unofficial release will be kept up to date for building 2.57.
** Sidebar, Help and Mail/News are broken because of XUL template removals. See {{Bug|464710}}.
** Do not expect to use the 2.57 release yet other than for testing.
** An unofficial 2.57 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it but it is only provided for testing purposes and not very usable at the moment. Please file bugs only against the browser part or the ChatZilla and debugQA add-ons unless you know a specific problem is new and needs to be fixed. In any case check the existing bug reports to not generate bug noise.
** If you want to use Rust 1.33 and up you need the patches available on Bills site.
** Building with webrender enabled (unsupported and not working) with Rust 1.37 or higher currently does not work.
** For building with stylo (default) please stay at Rust 1.37 for now.
** See {{Bug|1433370}} for current 2.57 breakages.




=== Release Train ===
* SeaMonkey 2.53.x / Gecko 56 in our gitlab comm-release repo.
** We plan to release 2.53.4 beta 1 end of July or early in August.
*** The 2.53.4 beta release is tracked in {{Bug|1652314}}.
*** The release notes and website update is tracked in {{Bug|1652316}}.
** '''The 2.53.3 final has been released on July 3rd!'''
*** The sources can be checked out from the 2_53_3_final branch in the [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].
*** The 2.53.3 final release was tracked in {{Bug|1647129}}.
*** The release notes and website update were tracked in {{Bug|1647130}}.
** NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
*** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
** Rust 1.41.0 and later compatibility is being worked on. This is tracked in {{Bug|1617782}}.
*** Compiling with a current rust version should now work under Linux only with stylo and webrender disabled.
** Session Manager 0.8.13 needs a minor fix to be compatible with current and future 2.53.x releases.
*** Replace nsIJSXMLHttpRequest with nsIXMLHttpRequest in session_manager-0.8.1.13\packages\overlay.js line 46.
** Toolbar Buttons 1.1 and 1.1.1 is broken because it uses an obsolete and removed string l10n api. Standalone toolbar buttons and 1.0.2.1 seem to work.
** NPAPI support other than for Flash has been discontinued. The release notes address this.
** The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
*** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Security fixes are backported frequently. '''frg''' tries to keep it as current as possible in his spare time.
*** The big security problems which were in the public up to 77 are fixed.
*** The current security level as of today is more or less at 60.8. Goal is to to be on par with latest ESR 60 and then move up.
*** ICU60, Skia m66, sqlite 3.31.1 NSS 3.52.1, NSPR 4.25 and TLS 1.3 have been backported for 2.53.3.
** Compiler support is up to date.
*** clang 5, 7, 8 or 9, gcc 6.1, gcc 7 to 9 can be used to build 2.53.3 on Linux or clang only for macOS. Support for gcc 5.x and 4.x has been removed.
*** clang 10 support is being tested. gcc 9 did not get much testing so ymmv.
*** clang 7, 8 or 9, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows. Support for VS2015 and earlier VS2017 versions has been removed.
*** The official releases are compiled with VS2019 for Windows, gcc 6 for Linux and clang 5 for macOS. Rust 1.37 is used.
** The unofficial release is now at 2.53.4 Beta 1 pre.
*** 2.53.x fixes are available from the [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ wg9s website].
*** Support for vertical tab display is added in {{Bug|1607041}}.
** WebExtentions dictionary support should be enabled as soon as possible in 2.53.
** The internal devtools inspector works for chrome content in SeaMonkey.
** Lightning is now a packed extension. If you upgrade to 2.53.x from 2.49.5 or earlier please remove the old version first.
*** '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
** We are looking into adding support for the AV1 codec, Custom Elements and Shadow Dom in a later release. No ETA yet. This is or will also be supported in 2.57.
*** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
** mozbuild 3.3 is currently not supported under Windows. Please stay with 3.2 for now.
** Some users report heavy memory usage compared to 2.49.5 but no specific problem or common cause has been found yet.
* SeaMonkey 2.57 Gecko 60 in comm-esr60.
** SeaMonkey 2.57 will be developed together with 2.53 and then released as soon as possible.
*** Because of not enough developers this is a slow go and we will distribute interim 2.53 versions.
*** 2.57 is missing fixes and ports already in 2.53. The source is currently being updated frequently because of this.
*** '''IanN''' also backported later patches from 61 and up to ease the transition.
** 2.57 will be build from a new 2.57 gitlab repo based on the '''comm-esr60''' repo.
*** The sources are currently marked private in our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].
*** An alpha 1 source is being prepared.
*** The comm-esr60 repos are closed. All fixes not in them are available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ wg9s website] until the gitlab repo is ready.
*** '''frg''' maintains the patches for 2.57 on gitlab in a private repo. As with 2.53 anyone who wants access can send him an email but Bills repo is usually up to date.
*** Some missing enhancements and changes from 2.53.x are currently ported by '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** Mail and news are still broken in SeaMonkey 2.57.
** Ad and Script Blocker support needs WebExtension support in SeaMonkey 2.57.
*** Like 2.53 l10n needs to be hand rolled. The strings from 2.53 and comm-central will be used as a base.
*** To test l10n building 2.57 is now available in German on [https://www.wg9s.com/comm-257-de/de/ wg9s website].
**** The cZ language pack is no longer compatible because 2.57 switches to webextension language packs. A hack has been put into the de package till this is solved.
*** comm-central only patches must not delete any strings in the suite en-US directory until 2.57 is out.
**** For backported changes strings can be deleted.
*** When doing patches please make sure to change the l10n labels when the content changes.
*** cZ strings will be copied to suite. This is tracked in {{Bug|1606400}}.
*** cZ, debugQA and the Lightning extension will be compatible with 2.57.
*** DOMi is currently broken in 2.57 and we plan to retire it for 2.57. See also {{Bug|1273222}}.
** Thunderbird did switch to WebExtension dictionaries.
** Compiling 2.57 with rust >= 1.33 needs fixes which are only in the unofficial patches queues. Webrender does not compile with rust 1.38 and up.
** VS2019 and other current compiler support was ported from 2.53 to 2.57.
*** sqlite 3.31.1 NSS 3.49 NSPR 4.24 and TLS 1.3 have been backported.
*** We currently do not plan to switch to ESR68 because of source plus api removals and changes. We will continue to use the esr60 branch for now.
** Lighting will be fully integrated into TB 78. We plan to port this to 2.57 at least.
* General SeaMonkey release issues.
** For now we will not use a Meta bug to track problems in ESER68/78. {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central breakages will kept up to date.
** '''ewong''' tries to fix the update process for the aus3 server. This is broken since 2.48.
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up {{Bug|1367257}}.
*** Remaining issues are with menu borders and submenu arrows (Core {{Bug|1267982}} and {{Bug|1334679}})
** When updates are working again the following bugs need to be looked into:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.
** Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: June 29th, 2020
** Next Merges: July 27th, 2020 ''(mozilla-beta → mozilla-release pre-merges are no longer announced separately)''
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.77a1. Gecko is at version 80.
*** There is a mozilla-esr78 and comm-esr78 repository now.
**** {{Bug|1644037}} tracks the TB 78 release. Automatic upgrades will probably only be done after 78.2 was released.

=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* Most extensions are now broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+ because of Mozilla api removals.
** '''WG9s''' fixed ChatZilla for 2.57. The patches have been reviewed and checked in.
*** Further fixes have been checked in because of recent 2.57 changes.
*** It will probably never work again without a rewrite in 2.58+/61+ because of overlay and other removals.
** DOMi is broken in 2.56+. See {{Bug|1429936}}.
*** The developer of DOM Inspector Plus has fixed his extension and we can use the fixes for DOMi.
*** The latest round of new patches for 2.57 has broken it. We will retire it later unless devtools then is missing an important feature from it.
** Thunderbird is expanding WebExtension support.
** Lightning is packed directly into Thunderbird and SeaMonkey now. This was done in {{Bug|1451847}} for SeaMonkey.
*** Lightning is also now integrated into Thunderbird and no longer an extension. We think about backporting this for 2.57.

* Thunderbird plans to discontinue classic add-ons with the next ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail will be discontinued and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration is tracked in {{Bug|22687}}.

* cZ and DOMi should be integrated into SeaMonkey because of the l10n problem previously tracked in {{Bug|1231349}}.
** '''IanN''' suggested forking them and has created {{Bug|1551033}}. The l10n files for DOMi will be moved into l10n-central.
*** '''IanN''' is ready to import them into the comm tree. He just needs to decide when and if (esp with DOMi if devtools can be got to work).
** The language pack for cZ will be removed and a translated cZ will be included. Language packs need to be in WebExtension format for 2.57 otherwise.

* Our distributed extensions do not get updated during a new install.
** '''IanN''' plans to look into this.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}. As of now working on this has not started.
** Support for adding Web extension dictionaries in 2.53 has started.
** This would be needed for a ESR60 based SeaMonkey 2.57.

* Evaluation if some extension functionality should be incorporated will need to be done for the 2.57 release.
** Lightning is still working in 2.57.
** NoScript, Adblock Plus and uBlock are broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+
** SeaTab X2 and Version Number work in 2.57.
** debugQA works in 2.57.
** Chatzilla 0.9.96 works in 2.53 and 2.57.

* NoScript Classic 5.x is still being updated. You can get it from [https://noscript.net/getit]. Currently 5.1.9.
* uBlock Origin is still being updated. You can get it from [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy].
The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.20.

* '''IanN''' created an SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* We might need a SeaMonkey Calendar component in bugzilla.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.



==== 2.53.x release branch (2.53.3 released) ====


[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (20)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (2)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (184)

==== 2.57.x next esr release branch (future) ====

[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (63)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.57 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey257esr&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey256&v2=2.57 fixed] (229)

==== 2.Next ====
* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
'''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.

* The search.json format will change soon. We need to look into this only if we plan to do a ESR 78 based release.

* We might need new SeaMonkey bugzilla component for tracking website problems with our product.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case probles with specific websites only should be disucssed in the support groups first.

* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 14 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. Only bindings used in Firefox will be kept for now until they are replaced with who-knows-what.
*** Overlays are now also gradually being removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
** For github you need to set the gecko Version to 60.
** We plan to add a generic user agent for github and 2.49 / 2.53 only. See {{Bug|1505460}}.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1441016}} Port {{Bug|1414390}} "Add intl.locale.requested locale list to replace general.useragent.locale" to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* The next meeting will be held in two weeks on Sunday August 9, 2020, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
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