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status meeting notes

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	** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly		** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
	* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics\|Basics]]		* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics\|Basics]]
	* Participants (in order of appearance):		* Participants (in order of appearance): WG9s IanN WaltS48 frg rsx11m njsg tomman '''various hidden Batman 66 fans'''


	== Agenda ==		== Agenda ==
	* Who's taking minutes? -> '''~~TBD~~'''		* Who's taking minutes? -> '''frg'''
	* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:		* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
	** '''~~TBD~~'''		** '''Rainer Bielefeld for support work'''

	=== Action Items ===		=== Action Items ===
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	* After the freenode self destruct change the website to libera chat.		* After the freenode self destruct change the website to libera chat.
	** {{Bug\|1716547}} added the intial switch to libera.chat but needs a bit of finetuning.		** {{Bug\|1716547}} added the intial switch to libera.chat but needs a bit of finetuning.
	*** '''frg''' will see that he finds some time to do further updates here.		*** '''frg''' will see that he finds some time to do further updates here. Not there yet.
	** {{Bug\|1716544}} is used for possible changes to cZ.		** {{Bug\|1716544}} is used for possible changes to cZ.
	** freenode switched to SASL only and seems to be further sliding into irrelevance.		** freenode switched to SASL only and seems to be further sliding into irrelevance.
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	* gcc 11 support is probably broken because of gcc header changes. It will be fixed as time permits.		* gcc 11 support is probably broken because of gcc header changes. It will be fixed as time permits.
	* Native arm support is looked into for a later date.		* Native arm support is looked into for a later date.
			* VS2022 Preview will be supported for 2.53.10b1 and later for 2.57 too.
			* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 causes a compile error. Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
			* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x and 2.57

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	==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====		==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
	* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 macOS x64 releases with clang 11. The Linux versions need to stay on the mentiond gcc versions for backward compatibility with older distributions.		* Updates did not work but this was fixed after the meeting.
	** IanN tested clang 9 and 11 for macOS cross builds and it needs glibc 2.18. So we stay with clang 8 for now becuase the CentOS 7 builder does not ~~support~~ this.
	* We need to test clang 12. This is now used for mozilla-central.
	** clang 12 and rust 1.53 at least seem to work for compiling under Linux.
	** '''WGS9s''' switched the unofficial 2.53 builds to clang 11.
	** clang 12 and rust 1.54 are supported with 2.53.9 beta 1.
	* The builder has been updated to VS2019 16.10.4 for the ~~2.53.9b1 release~~.
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	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (490)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (490)
	* SeaMonkey 2.53.x originally based on Gecko 56 is in our gitlab comm-release repo.		* SeaMonkey 2.53.x originally based on Gecko 56 is in our gitlab comm-release repo.
	* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.9'' ~~in August depending on beta feedback~~.		* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.10 Beta 1'' next.
	** ~~Some l10n translations just only arrived after the beta was built~~. The ~~final 2.53.9 will contain later l10n changes done till then~~.		** No ETA date finalized yet.
	* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.9 ~~beta 1~~''' was released on August ~~11th~~ after the meeting.		** The release is tracked in {{Bug\|1727000}}.
	** The release is tracked in {{Bug\|~~1717528~~}}.		* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.9 final''' was released on August 26thh after the meeting.
	** The release notes and website updates are tracked in {{Bug\|~~1723606~~}}.		** The release is tracked in {{Bug\|1726943}}.
	** ~~Because of more extensive~~ l10n ~~changes~~ and ~~ChatZilla integration which also affects l10n the release was~~ a ~~bit delayed~~.		** The release notes and website updates are tracked in {{Bug\|1726944}}.
	** Some languages need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].		** No bugs were reported against the beta but we included some late l10n translations and a few selective fixes mostly for crashes and security.
	** We need more beta testers.		** Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
	** Preliminary fixes for Linux aarch64 support have been added.		* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
	** Security updates from ESR 78.13 which apply are included.		** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
	** The release include many more backports. Please test.
	*** ChatZilla, devtools and extensions glue code has been updated so these are areas which could use some more diverse testing.
	*** Intial ES6 modules support and the PerformanceObserver api have been enabled to help with general web compatibility.
	*** JS versioning has been taken out. This should cause no problems. If you encounter old add-on breakage because of it please report it in a support group.
	** ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
	*** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
	* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.		* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
	** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.		** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
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	** clang 5 to 12, gcc 6.3.1, gcc 7 to 9 can be used to build 2.53.8+ on Linux or clang only for macOS. Support for gcc 5.x and 4.x has been removed.		** clang 5 to 12, gcc 6.3.1, gcc 7 to 9 can be used to build 2.53.8+ on Linux or clang only for macOS. Support for gcc 5.x and 4.x has been removed.
	** clang 7 to 12, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64. Support for VS2015 and earlier VS2017 versions has been removed.		** clang 7 to 12, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64. Support for VS2015 and earlier VS2017 versions has been removed.
	** VS2019 up to 16.6.5 can be used for Windows x86 but ~~cause~~ crashes and is therefore no longer recommended.		** VS2019 up to 16.6.5 can be used for Windows x86 but causes crashes and is therefore no longer recommended.
	** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.		** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
	** 2.53.x fixes are available from the [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ wg9s website].		** 2.53.x fixes are available from the [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ wg9s website].
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	* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.		* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
	* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.		* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
	* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now.		* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.3
	* '''IanN''' created an SM version of the QuickText add-on.		* '''IanN''' created an SM version of the QuickText add-on.

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	** Microsoft killed it too.		** Microsoft killed it too.
	** SeaMonkey specific NPAPI and Flash removal is tracked in {{Bug\|1688415}}.		** SeaMonkey specific NPAPI and Flash removal is tracked in {{Bug\|1688415}}.
			** Progress in removing it from the 2.53 source is a bit slow because we do not want to drop PPAPI support so just can't remove all plugin code unconditionally.

	=== 2.Next ===		=== 2.Next ===

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 Checked in for website:

IanN: /* IanN */

2021-08-22T12:50:39Z

IanN

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	* {{Bug\|1726966}} In ChatZilla make /commands return all matches starting with pattern		* {{Bug\|1726966}} In ChatZilla make /commands return all matches starting with pattern
	* {{Bug\|1726944}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.9 final release		* {{Bug\|1726944}} Update SeaMonkey website for 2.53.9 final release
			* {{Bug\|653913}} When switching tabs between Mail and News, the toolbar doesn't change until a change of folder or newsgroup

	Working on:		Working on:

IanN: /* IanN */

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IanN

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Rsx11m: /* Feature List, Planning */ few changes here

2021-08-21T00:57:31Z

Feature List, Planning: few changes here

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	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 19 feedback]		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 20 feedback]

	* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList\|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.		* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList\|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.

Rsx11m: /* SeaMonkey 2.57 */ some candidates removed

2021-08-21T00:56:45Z

SeaMonkey 2.57: some candidates removed

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	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (1)
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (~~213~~)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey257esr&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (209)
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.57 targeted] (0)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.57 targeted] (0)
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey257esr&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey256&v2=2.57 fixed] (273)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey257esr&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey256&v2=2.57 fixed] (273)

Rsx11m: /* SeaMonkey 2.53.x */ tons of stuff fixed!

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SeaMonkey 2.53.x: tons of stuff fixed!

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	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (73)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey253&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (25)
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.53 targeted] (1)
	[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (~~441~~)		[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey253&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey249&v2=2.53 fixed] (490)
	* SeaMonkey 2.53.x originally based on Gecko 56 is in our gitlab comm-release repo.		* SeaMonkey 2.53.x originally based on Gecko 56 is in our gitlab comm-release repo.
	* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.9'' in August depending on beta feedback.		* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.9'' in August depending on beta feedback.

Rsx11m: /* Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree */ next merge not yet officially scheduled

2021-08-21T00:53:21Z

Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree: next merge not yet officially scheduled

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	* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]		* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
	** Last Merges: August 9th, 2021		** Last Merges: August 9th, 2021
	** Next Merges: ~~<!--~~''not yet scheduled, presumably''~~-->~~ September 6th, 2021 ''(apparently back to ~~'''~~4-week~~'''~~ rhythm)''		** Next Merges: ''not yet scheduled, presumably'' September 6th, 2021 ''(apparently back to 4-week rhythm)''
	** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.90a1. Gecko is at version 93.		** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.90a1. Gecko is at version 93.

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<small>[[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} -2 week}}|« last meeting]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings|index]] | [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/{{#time: Y-m-d | {{SUBPAGENAME}} +2 week}}|next meeting »]]</small>

'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''

* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=22&month=8&year=2021&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 22 August, 2021, 14:00 UTC]
** (10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong)
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):

== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''

=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.

'''NEW'''
* —

'''OPEN'''
* After the freenode self destruct change the website to libera chat.
** {{Bug|1716547}} added the intial switch to libera.chat but needs a bit of finetuning.
*** '''frg''' will see that he finds some time to do further updates here.
** {{Bug|1716544}} is used for possible changes to cZ.
** freenode switched to SASL only and seems to be further sliding into irrelevance.
* A logbot is available at [https://ircbot.comm-central.org:8080/seamonkey/#] but currently uses a self signed certificate.
** We will add it later to the support site section.

* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey imaga data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. {{Bug|1356106}} has already been filed.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.

'''CLOSED'''
* —

=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===

* We are building up a new infrastructure using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We need a breakpad server for submitting crash reports. Thunderbird is also also affected and must set up their own server.
** The date we need to switch has been postponed by Mozilla. We will only be able to use the Mozilla crash-stats till October 31th 2021.
** '''ewong''' set up an intial crash-stats server and is testing it.
** We expect to switch to it with 2.53.10 or if late a 2.53.9.x point release.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We are looking at [https://foss.heptapod.net/public hg heptapod] to mirror some of code.
** If we do this then mirroring between gitlab and heptapod needs to be figured out.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
** Mercurial and [https://foss.heptapod.net/mercurial/tortoisehg/thg Tortoise Hg] are now hosted there after bitbucket dropped hg and removed all repos.
** '''IanN''' is in contact with the heptapod staff and we are working out an initial setup.
** Our mercurial queues are becoming bigger with every day and we would like at least set up a 2.53 repo to make patches permanent.
* All domains but .hu have been transferred. The .hu transfer is almost completed.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2021. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet.
** The gcc 6.3.1 release we use for Linux x86 is now no longer supported for compiling mozilla-central. Minimum gcc release is now 7.1.0
*** When backporting we need to check for possible breakage here.
*** '''IanN''' found a compatible later gcc release and will do some testing later first.
** To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 11 or 12.
* gcc 11 support is probably broken because of gcc header changes. It will be fixed as time permits.
* Native arm support is looked into for a later date.


==== Fixed Infrastructure Stuff Since Last Meeting ====
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 macOS x64 releases with clang 11. The Linux versions need to stay on the mentiond gcc versions for backward compatibility with older distributions.
** IanN tested clang 9 and 11 for macOS cross builds and it needs glibc 2.18. So we stay with clang 8 for now becuase the CentOS 7 builder does not support this.
* We need to test clang 12. This is now used for mozilla-central.
** clang 12 and rust 1.53 at least seem to work for compiling under Linux.
** '''WGS9s''' switched the unofficial 2.53 builds to clang 11.
** clang 12 and rust 1.54 are supported with 2.53.9 beta 1.
* The builder has been updated to VS2019 16.10.4 for the 2.53.9b1 release.
* —


=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: August 9th, 2021
** Next Merges:  September 6th, 2021 ''(apparently back to '''4-week''' rhythm)''
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.90a1. Gecko is at version 93.

* [comm-central]:
** Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
** Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** The installer still works...
** comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
** {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
** Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
*** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
*** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.

* [comm-esr60]:
** The 2.57 builds are based on the last ESR60 changesets.
** The hg repo is closed. Future patches will be checked into our gitlab 2.57 repos.
*** The gitlab repos have been set up but will remain private until the first alpha build is released.
** An unofficial 2.57 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** For building you need to apply the patches from Bills 2.57 website.
** For building with webrender enabled (unsupported and not working) or stylo (default) please stay at Rust 1.37 for now.
** Do not expect to use the 2.57 release yet other than for testing.
** Sidebar and Help are broken because of XUL template removals. See {{Bug|1584728}}.
** Please file bugs only if you know a specific problem is new and needs to be fixed. In any case check the existing bug reports to not generate bug noise.
** Despite having a newer codebase 2.57 is a bit behind 2.53 and central right now and needs to be synced with 2.53 backports and patches again.
** See {{Bug|1433370}} for current 2.57 issues.

* [comm-release56]:
** The 2.53.x builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in comm-release and mozilla-release.
*** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** For building please apply the patches from Bills website to the noted comm-release and mozilla-release changeset.
*** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you can also check out from [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab].
*** stylo and webrender building is currently broken but disabled by default.
*** Rust up to 1.54.0 is supported.
** See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.




=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====


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* SeaMonkey 2.53.x originally based on Gecko 56 is in our gitlab comm-release repo.
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.9'' in August depending on beta feedback.
** Some l10n translations just only arrived after the beta was built. The final 2.53.9 will contain later l10n changes done till then.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.9 beta 1''' was released on August 11th after the meeting.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|1717528}}.
** The release notes and website updates are tracked in {{Bug|1723606}}.
** Because of more extensive l10n changes and ChatZilla integration which also affects l10n the release was a bit delayed.
** Some languages need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
** We need more beta testers.
** Preliminary fixes for Linux aarch64 support have been added.
** Security updates from ESR 78.13 which apply are included.
** The release include many more backports. Please test.
*** ChatZilla, devtools and extensions glue code has been updated so these are areas which could use some more diverse testing.
*** Intial ES6 modules support and the PerformanceObserver api have been enabled to help with general web compatibility.
*** JS versioning has been taken out. This should cause no problems. If you encounter old add-on breakage because of it please report it in a support group.
** ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
*** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 5 to 12, gcc 6.3.1, gcc 7 to 9 can be used to build 2.53.8+ on Linux or clang only for macOS. Support for gcc 5.x and 4.x has been removed.
** clang 7 to 12, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64. Support for VS2015 and earlier VS2017 versions has been removed.
** VS2019 up to 16.6.5 can be used for Windows x86 but cause crashes and is therefore no longer recommended.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
** 2.53.x fixes are available from the [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ wg9s website].
* WebExtentions dictionary support is being worked on but no ETA.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet. This is or will also be supported in 2.57.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
* Some users report heavy memory usage compared to 2.49.5 but no specific problem or common cause has been found yet.
** Do not add bugs without providing some information how to reproduce any memory issues. Bugs with only general statements like "it hangs after 3 days" or "SeaMonkey is bloated" will be closed immediately in the future.
* Release notes are provided for reading them before reporting or discussing problems...

==== SeaMonkey 2.57 ====

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* SeaMonkey 2.57 originally based on Gecko 60 in comm-esr60.
* SeaMonkey 2.57 is being developed together with 2.53 and then released as soon as possible.
** Because of not enough developers this is a slow go and we will distribute interim 2.53 versions.
* 2.57 will be build from a new 2.57 gitlab repo based on the '''comm-esr60''' repo.
** The sources are currently marked private in our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].
** An alpha 1 source is being prepared.
** The comm-esr60 repos are closed. All fixes not in them are available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ wg9s website] until the gitlab repo is ready.
** '''frg''' maintains the patches for 2.57 on gitlab in a private repo. As with 2.53 anyone who wants access can send him an email but Bills repo bundle is usually up to date.
* Thanks to '''IanN''' mail and news are now usable in 2.57. There are still problems open for this.
* Ad and Script Blocker support needs WebExtension support in SeaMonkey 2.57.
** Like 2.53 l10n needs to be hand rolled. The strings from 2.53 and comm-central will be used as a base.
** To test l10n building 2.57 is now available in German on [https://www.wg9s.com/comm-257-de/de/ wg9s website].
** When doing patches please make sure to change the l10n labels when the content changes.
** cZ, debugQA and the Lightning extension are included with 2.57.
** DOMi has been removed from 2.57.
* Thunderbird did switch to WebExtension dictionaries.
* Compiling 2.57 with rust >= 1.33 needs fixes which are only in the unofficial patches queues.
** Webrender and stylo do not compile with rust 1.38 and up.
** We are currently bringing up rust compiler support but struggle with some issues. Only 1.37 is currently supported when compiling stylo and webrender.
* Lighting is fully integrated into TB 78. We plan to port this to 2.57.

==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* General SeaMonkey release issues.
** General build fixes are now backported to 2.53.and 2.57.
** Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53 and 2.57.
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up {{Bug|1367257}}.
*** Remaining issues are with menu borders and submenu arrows (Core {{Bug|1267982}} and {{Bug|1334679}})
** When updates are working again the following bugs need to be looked into:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.
** Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
** In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
*** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.

=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped with the current TB 78.

* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 and 2.57 repos and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in 2.57 and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.9 cZ will be available in more languages.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are planned for 2.53.10b1.

* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped fror 2.57 and up. See {{Bug|1273222}}.

* The debugQA extension will be later localized.

* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}. As of now working on this has not started.
** This would be needed for a ESR60 based SeaMonkey 2.57.
** Some backports for adding Web extension dictionaries to 2.53 have been done but more is needed.

* Evaluation if some extension functionality should be incorporated will need to be done for the 2.57 release.
** Lightning is still working in 2.57.
** NoScript, Adblock Plus and uBlock are broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+
** SeaTab X2 works in 2.57.
** debugQA works in 2.57.

* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still being updated. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now.
* '''IanN''' created an SM version of the QuickText add-on.

* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].

* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.

* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.

* Flash support ended in January 2021.
** Flash support is no longer available in 2.53.7b1 and up.
*** Firefox shows a placeholder for Flash content. We just disable the plugin without doing so.
** Safari 14.0.1 removed support for it.
** Firefox removed support in Firefox 85.
** Microsoft killed it too.
** SeaMonkey specific NPAPI and Flash removal is tracked in {{Bug|1688415}}.

=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.




* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.

* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.

* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
'''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.

* We might need new SeaMonkey bugzilla component for tracking website problems with our product.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case probles with specific websites only should be discussed in the support groups first.

* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].

* Apple M1 and later arm support needs to being looked into for a later release.

* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.

* MDN will stop shoping archived content on July 14h 2021. We might need to adjust links on the website and in SeaMonkey soon to account for this.


* Current breakages:
** —



=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 22 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 19 feedback]

* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. Only bindings used in Firefox will be kept for now until they are replaced with who-knows-what.
*** Overlays are now also gradually being removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
** For github you need to set the gecko Version to 60.
** We plan to add a generic user agent for github and 2.49 / 2.53 only. See {{Bug|1505460}}.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.

=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1441016}} Port {{Bug|1414390}} "Add intl.locale.requested locale list to replace general.useragent.locale" to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix

==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====

=== Any other business? ===
* The next meeting will be held in two weeks on Sunday September 5, 2021, 14:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
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