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* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance): <IanN>, <frg>, <Ratty>, <Rainer_Bielefeld>, <rsx11m>, <tonymec>


== Agenda ==
== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''Ratty'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''
** '''No nominees this time'''


=== Action Items ===
=== Action Items ===
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* &mdash;
* &mdash;
'''OPEN'''
'''OPEN'''
* Need to port Sync 1.5 to SeaMonkey - IanN has spoken briefly to ewong about options, Ratty might be able to help too.
* &mdash;
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff.
'''CLOSED'''
'''CLOSED'''
* &mdash;
* &mdash;
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** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as {{Bug|1092468}} and {{Bug|1108970}}. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008] and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).
** There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 ({{bug|1107635}}).
** Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting's [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2014-09-16#Agenda|Friends of the Fish Tank]]. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
** Even en-US builds have stopped again. The latest trunk nightlies were 2.43a1 dated 9-Jan-2016 for L32 &amp; L64, 6-Jan-2016 for Mac, and 2.42a1 dated 11-Nov-2015 for W32. No 2.44a1 yet, to parallel Firefox 47.0a1 which is being published every night (or every day depending on your timezone).
** {{Bug|1083689}} Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** {{Bug|1083689}} Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** For various reasons we don't have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
** For various reasons we don't have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token.  The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token.  The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* [2nd February 2016]
** [Tonymec] Building has stopped since 9 January. No tinderbox builds either. [frg] c-c would be clear to me. c-a pulls the wrong Chatzilla and Inspector again. Not sure if this is the cause. See {{Bug|1167346}}. [IanN] ewong|away has mentioned looking at Jenkins.
* [19th January 2016]
* [19th January 2016]
** [comm-central]
** [comm-central]
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]]
* [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]]
* Lightning button icons are not shown on the mail-toolbox making them invisible. Fixed in {{Bug|1223898}} CSS chould be simplified though ({{Bug|1236982}}).
* Lightning betas are up for both 2.40 and 2.41.
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].
* We are looking for a new place to host the [[SeaMonkey/AddonCompat|Addon Compatibility Listings]] for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14168717#p14168717 this post].
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
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<!-- ** &mdash; -->
<!-- ** &mdash; -->
* Current breakages:
* Current breakages:
** {{Bug|1243760}} Replace nsPIDOMWindow with nsPIDOMWindowInner/Outer in comm-central due to {{bug|1241764}}.
** {{Bug|1244758}} Rename nsAutoTArray to AutoTArray in Mailnews due to {{bug|1235261}} (bustage fix).
** {{Bug|1209875}} did break any builds of 2.41+ containing a localized ChatZilla - {{bug|1213641}} filled
** {{Bug|1209875}} did break any builds of 2.41+ containing a localized ChatZilla - {{bug|1213641}} filled
<!--Please update if necessary-->
<!--Please update if necessary-->
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*** Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after {{bug|1084025}} disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1123673#c6]
*** Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after {{bug|1084025}} disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1123673#c6]
*** alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.
*** alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.
* {{Bug|1198340}} The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
** Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how addons.mozilla.works because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given {{Bug|1009759}} as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
** About specific aspects of this problem, see: {{bug|1230796}}, {{bug|1230804}}, {{bug|1230806}} and maybe more.
** [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff.


=== Feature List, Planning ===
=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 28 new, 4 fixed, 5 triaged.
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 20 new, 7 fixed, 12 triaged.
* low triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
* low-medium triaging effort, low number of new bugs filed.
* '''Ratty has a SeaMonkey build with a working Firefox Devtools!!!!''' Relevant patches:
* '''Ratty has a SeaMonkey build with a working Firefox Devtools!!!!''' Relevant patches:
** {{Bug|1208112}} Package DevTools client in SeaMonkey now that it's been moved out of /browser/ [checked-in].
** {{Bug|1208112}} Package DevTools client in SeaMonkey now that it's been moved out of /browser/ [checked-in].
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*** may prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey
*** may prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey
*** removal is "decided" without any clear alternative envisioned
*** removal is "decided" without any clear alternative envisioned
** The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features.
* '''IanN''' thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. '''Tonymec''' will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See {{Bug|1092632}} <tt>(Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs</tt>.
* '''IanN''' thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. '''Tonymec''' will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See {{Bug|1092632}} <tt>(Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs</tt>.
** The HowTo page has been moved to [[SeaMonkey/QA/Triage HowTo]]. No one having objected (or even reacted), {{bug|1092632}} is now RESOLVED FIXED. See its comment #18 for the announcement URLs.
** The HowTo page has been moved to [[SeaMonkey/QA/Triage HowTo]]. No one having objected (or even reacted), {{bug|1092632}} is now RESOLVED FIXED. See its comment #18 for the announcement URLs.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929&gt=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 65 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 64 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 6 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 14 feedback]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]


* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
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==== ewong ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
==== frg ====
Waiting for review:
* {{Bug|1188348}} data manager: domains invisible for Permissions, Preferences, Passwords. New version 6 patch just built.
* {{Bug|1200263}} Help → Report Web Forgery ... does nothing.
* {{Bug|1240284}} Linker Warnings LNK4222 and LNK4017 when building Suite. Still need to build the upstream sdk patch.
Working on:
* {{Bug|1055954}} popup exceptions are not added. I first thought about closing it as a duplicate of the Data Manager bug but the menu in Navigator is just bad. Will change it so that it resembles the cookie and image menu and not transfer control to Data Manager. WIP patch still needs some work but looks fine.
Tidbits:
Chatzilla seems to have a bad day lately. I still need private patches for 2 bugs to build l10n 2.41 and up:
* {{Bug|1240304}} Old maximum version numbers in Chatzilla rdf files
* {{Bug|1210791}} Get rid of XULPPFLAGS in Chatzilla
And the official builds miss the language pack:
* {{Bug|1244467}} Localized Builds: Chatzilla language pack missing from Seamonkey installer package
And comm-aurora picks the wrong Chatzilla branch again. Didn't file a bug yet.
On the backburner. Didn't have much time to check
* {{Bug|1238767}} Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA
Other things on my mind:
* enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2013 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.
==== IanN ====
==== IanN ====
* Usual localising, testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
* Fixed:
* Fixed for c-c:
** {{Bug|1235866}} Port |{{Bug|1235676}} - Add a topobjdir variable to all Makefiles| to c-c (TB, IM and Cal Parts)
* Fixed for m-c:
* Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
* Pending tree opening:
* Pending approval for check in:
* Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
** {{Bug|653386}} Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
* Checked in pending review:
* Waiting for feedback/review/information:
** {{Bug|1061348}} Port |{{Bug|575283}} - Cleanup mozconfig files on all platforms| to SeaMonkey
** {{Bug|1163441}} Use FINAL_TARGET_FILES and DIST_FILES for Thunderbird themes
* Fixing review comments before checkin:
** {{Bug|757230}} When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
** {{Bug|798147}} Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
* Working on:
** {{Bug|1243064}} Update en-GB for Gecko 44
** {{Bug|1101381}} Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
** {{Bug|1190179}} Port |{{Bug|1067325}} - Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
** {{Bug|1051642}} Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
** {{Bug|943335}} [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
** Various SM Council documents.
** {{Bug|606683}} Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
** {{Bug|639690}} [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
** {{Bug|773979}} [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
** {{Bug|657234}} Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
** File/Folder selection in windows.
* To Do:
** {{Bug|639395}} Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
** Prefs-in-a-tab.
** Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
** Help get composer standalone builds working with --enable-tests.
==== InvisibleSmiley ====
==== InvisibleSmiley ====
==== KaiRo ====
==== KaiRo ====
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==== Px ====
==== Px ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
; currently working on
* Make more dictionaries [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?f1=short_desc&emailreporter1=1&list_id=12798511&short_desc=dict&o1=nowordssubstr&classification=Client%20Software&classification=Components&emailtype1=exact&chfieldto=Now&query_format=advanced&chfield=%5BBug%20creation%5D&chfieldfrom=2016-01-01&longdesc=dict&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&email1=RainerBielefeldNG%40BielefeldUndBuss.de&v1=crash%20hung%20hang%20freeze%20responsive&longdesc_type=allwordssubstr available for SeaMonkey]
* Bug reporting and confirmation as usual
;ToDo (postponed from meeting 2016-01-19
* No time left, so <span style="background:#FFFF00">postponed</span> to next meeting: <s><small><small>Improve Mentoring for new developer volunteers
: I get requests of interested (but inexperienced) developers to help, but I hesitate to encourage them because most new developers will need intensive help for 5 (or so) first bugs until they become able to work independently. Unfortunatley we do not have proved and well known infrastructure for that like Newbies discussion forum (where they can help each other) and similar. So we lost [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/user_profile?login=vishal.batchu%40students.iiit.ac.in Batchu Venkat Vishal], [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1215535#c1 Tom Zhang], ytrackm-sannysm@yahoo.com (never started activity) and others. Any Ideas how to interest possible new developers in continuous and persevering contiibution to SeaMonkey?</small></small></s>
* Donating and so on: Current situation very unsatisfying due to unresolved
** {{Bug|1165707}} - Publish information concerning SeaMonkey e.V.
** {{Bug|1197554}} - Balance sheet (statement of accounts) for donations should be published
** {{Bug|1191707}} - Download: redirect users to detour via Donate / Contribute Request web page
* <span style="background:#00FF00">'''Decision'''</span>: I will discuss directly with :mcsmurf
;Other discussion items:
:* Progress bundling lomon_juice's add-on-browser? I think that is really important!
::*<span style="background:#00FF00">'''Decision'''</span>: I will upload add-on to AMO as a first step
::** 2016-02-11: Impossible, I can't find any License terms -- [[User:Rrbd|Rrbd]] ([[User talk:Rrbd|talk]]) 11:03, 11 February 2016 (PST)
:* No time left, so <span style="background:#FFFF00">postponed</span> to next meeting:  <s><small><small>After general fix for ''{{Bug|1153577}} - Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key'' some non-WIN-OS related issues, what might become annoying when we get 2.40 builds </small></small></s>
==== Ratty ====
==== Ratty ====
Fixed:
* Naught.
Working on comm-central bustage fixes:
* {{Bug|1243760}} Replace <tt>nsPIDOMWindow</tt> with <tt>nsPIDOMWindowInner/Outer</tt> in C-C due to {{bug|1241764}}.
** Plus contributions from JorgK et al.
* {{Bug|1244758}} Rename nsAutoTArray to AutoTArray (Port mozilla-central {{Bug|1235261}})
In Progress:
* {{Bug|1223341}} Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI.
* {{Bug|1235805}} Rollup patch: Add preload content policy types for images ({{Bug|1048048}}) Use the loading document's principal to populate loadInfo for Favicons instead of using systemPrincipal ({{Bug|1119386}}) nsITaskbarPreview::Invalidate no longer throws when not visible.
* {{Bug|1222816}} Restore about:config UI (Config Editor) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.
* {{Bug|1238428}} Workaround the <tt>NS_APP_PROFILE_DEFAULTS_{NLOC_,}50_DIR</tt> directory keys removed in {{Bug|1234012}}.
* {{Bug|1239707}} Switch to use in-tree version of compare-locales (SeaMonkey Part).
TODO:
* Fix Thunderbird defaut theme overrides.
* Front end changes needed for {{Bug|1042699}} Block cross-origin add-on install requests.
* {{Bug|1011857}} Implement CustomizableUI shim for SeaMonkey.
* {{Bug|1174466}} Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from {{Bug|896947}}.
* {{Bug|1224907}} Bookmarks Manager Search box is missing in SeaMonkey 2.3.9.
* {{Bug|1236982}} Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.
Needs Investigating:
* {{Bug|1240304}} Old maximum version numbers in Chatzilla rdf files.
* {{Bug|1229810}} Port {{Bug|1228444}} and {{Bug|1228467}} to Chatzilla.
Other stuff:
* Did some reviews and approvals.
* Bug triage and Bug discussions.
* Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and [http://forums.mozillazine.org/ Mozillazine].
==== rsx11m ====
==== rsx11m ====
Landed on comm-central and comm-aurora:
Landed on comm-central and comm-aurora:
* {{Bug|1237835}} Document IMAP IDLE setting which {{bug|449021}} moved to main account settings screen.
* {{Bug|1237835}} Document IMAP IDLE setting which {{bug|449021}} moved to main account settings screen.
Possible candidate for 2.42.x if continued on 45 ESR:
Filed for for 2.42.x if continued on 45 ESR:
* {{Bug|1229270}} Provide UI in Send Format pane for new mailnews.sendformat.auto_downgrade preference.
* {{Bug|1240738}} Bugs with l10n changes that need uplifting to 2.42.x in case we build from 45.x ESR repositories. ''(meta)''
** ref. {{Bug|1229270}} Provide UI in Send Format pane for new mailnews.sendformat.auto_downgrade preference.
May need retargeting:
May need retargeting:
* {{Bug|1123673}} Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.
* {{Bug|1123673}} Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.
Other:
Other:
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
* Closed remaining 2.35 and 2.38 tracking bugs along with pending but obsolete post-landing review requests.
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].
* End-user information and discussion on [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=51 MozillaZine].


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==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====
==== tonymec ====
* QA: business as usual
* ASSIGNED
** {{Bug|1240894|Bug 1240894 - the new tab button in mailnews is set to display:none unless the close button is at the end}}
*** has patch, r?=Ratty
** {{Bug|1242188|Bug 1242188 - Sidebar Panel Name heading text of narrow sidebar exceeds right border of sidebar}}
*** has patch, r?=Ratty


=== Any other business?  ===
=== Any other business?  ===
Donations to SeaMonkey:
* [Rainer_Bielefeld]If there still is a little time remaining: I have a question concerning SeaMonkey donation status. Do we get money? if yes, how much? used for what? Currently all that is not very transparent.
* [Ratty]The eV gets the money.
* [frg]Second that. Would like to donate again but not sure where the money goes hoch much and what they do with it. Intransparent unfortunately
* [Ratty]mcsmurf did promise to provide an accounting. Rainer_Bielefeld: maybe you can remind him?
* [Rainer_Bielefeld]I know. but: {{bug|1165707}} Publish information concerning SeaMonkey e.V. ? It looks as if that ev does not really exist :-/
* [Ratty]You two live in Germany. Could try holding mcsmurf's feet over a fire?
* [IanN]I will remind mcsmurf on that
* [tonymec]das Gelt geht zur eV, aber wo geht es daraus hin?
* [Rainer_Bielefeld]I think we need some public relations: Thanks to donators, ...
** Yes, I will contact mcsmurf.
* [frg]Yes. To do the job is great but to promote it is neccessary or we will go down anyway.
* [Rainer_Bielefeld]And publish results in the blog
**Anything new concerning Progress bundling lomon_juice's add-on-browser? I think that is really important, ofr me that add-on is great help
* [frg]Rainer_Bielefeld: If the others think I am already on par for simple thingsa I can help other developers.
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