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=== Action Items ===
=== Action Items ===
==== Open ====
==== Open ====
* '''AI:clarkbw''' continuing to drive [[MailNews:Address Book New Card]]
** Getting started, mockups soon to come up post-discussion.
** Standard8 and dmose will help with this.


* '''AI:clarkbw''' create design on wiki for Experimental Message View
** Work with asuth on [[User:Andrew Sutherland/MailNews/GlobalDatabase]] pieces
** [http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird/browse_thread/thread/d83667904aaa43bf# discussion thread started]
* '''AI:emre''' begin work on imap preemptive message download feature
* '''AI:dmose''' Thunderbird 3 roadmap and planning with davida.
** '''AI:dmose''' split out into roadmap and beyond plus concrete stuff for alpha 2
*** NOTE: specific mention needs to be made of quality goals
* '''AI:nth10sd''' Gathering ideas on a proposed unit test infrastructure and come up with a newsgroup post.


==== Closed ====
==== Closed ====


Moving these to closed only because they aren't meant to be kept open
* '''AI:davida''' guided form doesn't allow version unsetting
* '''AI:davida''' bugzilla should _refuse_ unspecified version
* '''AI:davida''' version field UI in bugzilla should be clarified
* '''AI:davida''' should have "file bug" menu item in nightlies/alphas
** Standard8: carry over to next week for davida response


=== [[Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a2]] ===
These were closed
* '''AI:asuth''' Post initial [User:Andrew Sutherland/MailNews/GlobalDatabase|global database schema/plan] on wiki and [http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird/browse_thread/thread/62890ddf50f76b7d# post to newsgroup for discussion]
** Lightning-related.
* '''AI:nth10sd''' [http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/rumblingedge/archives/2008/06/howto_use_dom_inspector_to_examine_thunderbirds_ui.html blogged about how to use DOM Inspector for Thunderbird] to potentially help fix frontend bugs.


=== [[Thunderbird:Shredder a2]] ===


=== Thunderbird v.next and branch tracking ===
* Why? - Release goals TBD
* What
** Address book OS X {{bug|397811}} (Completed)
** Bundle attachment?
** Progressmeter bug on OS X
** Auto-configuration, phase 1?
*** Better Gmail/IMAP setup?
** [[MailNews:Address_Book_RoadMap#Back-end_Interface_Re-organisation|Addressbook interface redesign]]
*** Joshua's nsIAbCard patch ({{bug|413260}})
** [[Thunderbird:Road_Map_To_XULRunner#Migrate_from_xpfe_autocomplete_to_toolkit.27s_autocomplete|Autocomplete from XPFE to Toolkit]]
** [[Thunderbird:Road_Map_To_XULRunner#Migrate_from_wallet_to_.28toolkit.27s.29_Login_Manager|Password manager from Wallet to Toolkit]]
** [[Thunderbird:Road_Map_To_XULRunner#Move_profile_to_equivalent_Firefox_location|Move Default Profile Location to FF/SM equivalent]]
** xpcshell Unit tests passing {{bug|406227}}
** Performance for startup
** STEEL
** Things marked [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&resolution=---&chfieldto=Now&known_name=blocking-thunderbird3%3F&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=blocking-thunderbird3%2B blocking-thunderbird3+] or its [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&resolution=---&chfieldto=Now&query_based_on=blocking-thunderbird3%3F&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=blocking-thunderbird3%3F nominations]
** Crashers
** move further on de-folderization of mail metaphors


* When
** Planned code freeze: July 8, 23:59 Pacific


=== QA Updates ===
=== QA Updates ===


* continuing with only session 2 staffed
* we've stall slightly in terms of numbers of bug changed, but that's to be expected on the cusp of summer and the trend of UNCO reduction is still very good
* two good prospects for coming on board to help Gary and Wayne


=== Roundtable ===
=== Roundtable ===
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*** Posted inquiry about l10n participation for TB3 pre-releases to mozilla.dev.l10n newsgroup. Got huge positive feedback, lots of localizers have pledged their support
*** Posted inquiry about l10n participation for TB3 pre-releases to mozilla.dev.l10n newsgroup. Got huge positive feedback, lots of localizers have pledged their support
*** Current status:
*** Current status:
**** '''Languages with green tinderbox''': cs, de, fr, ka, ko, lt, nb-NO, nl, nn-NO, pl, ru, sk, sv-SE, zh-CN
**** '''Languages with green tinderbox''': cs, de, fr, it, ka, ko, lt, nb-NO, nl, nn-NO, pl, ru, sk, sv-SE, zh-CN
**** '''Languages with orange tinderbox''': be, es-ES, pa-IN, tr
**** '''Languages with orange tinderbox''': be, es-ES, pa-IN, tr
**** '''Languages with red tinderbox''': af, bg, ca, da, el, en-GB, es-AR, eu, fi, ga-IE, gu-IN, he, hu, it, ja, ja-JP-mac, mk, mn, pt-BR, ro, sl, zh-TW
**** '''Languages with red tinderbox''': af, bg, ca, da, el, en-GB, es-AR, eu, fi, ga-IE, gu-IN, he, hu, ja, ja-JP-mac, mk, mn, pt-PT, pt-BR, ro, sl, zh-TW
**** Current TB tinderbox status available at [http://www.babylonsounds.com/thunderbird/tb-l10n-tinderbox-trunk.html http://www.babylonsounds.com/thunderbird/tb-l10n-tinderbox-trunk.html]
**** Current TB tinderbox status available at [http://www.babylonsounds.com/thunderbird/tb-l10n-tinderbox-trunk.html http://www.babylonsounds.com/thunderbird/tb-l10n-tinderbox-trunk.html]
** dmose
** dmose
*** prodded folks for review of Venkman lossage which landed in tree - {{bug|428848}}
*** created new shared searches in bugzilla for 3.0a2 flags
*** more submodule review discussion driving
*** reviewed patch to make printing localize the Date header properly - {{bug|294356}}
** nth10sd
** nth10sd
*** Gathering ideas on proposed unit test infrastructure, will have a newsgroup post up over the next couple of days.
*** Figured out how to use DOMi with Thunderbird.
**** To try and fix a bug - {{bug|433107}}
**** Did up a [http://www.rumblingedge.com/2008/06/07/howto-use-dom-inspector-to-examine-thunderbirds-ui/ blog post] on that as well.
*** Bugday, triage activities, too many exact bug numbers to list.
** Standard8
** Standard8
** asuth
*** Various reviews
*** Mac OS X Address Book
**** Two problems have been filed: {{bug|437903}} can't send to OS X mailing lists and {{bug|437908}} filters don't work correctly for checks within OS X address book.
**** Started work on {{bug|437975}} which fixes a non-mork mailing list send problem, which will lead into fixing {{bug|437903}}
**** I think I know the cause of {{bug|437908}} will investigate this week
*** Automated Testing
**** fake SMTP server now in tree ({{bug|436847}} after fixing problems due to the file format. Lots of documentation added to the idl files, also added a very basic auth test.
**** Helped rkent debug an intermittent problem with {{bug|228675}} - events were not always happening in the order expected.
*** Autocomplete
**** {{bug|438333}} - Reworked how address book autocomplete selection works to make bug 370306 easier and tidier.
**** {{bug|370306}} - Progressed so that most of local address book search now works on the toolkit interfaces.
*** Misc
**** {{bug|437619}} centralise and de-branch the address book results view UI code, which will lead onto fixing {{bug|438035}} which is causing leaks (not freeing memory until shutdown) and unnecessary re-initialisations.
** asuth.
*** (lots more moving!)
*** Primarily global database design work, beginning of prototyping: [[User:Andrew_Sutherland/MailNews/GlobalDatabase]]
**** Various commenting on/fusing comments from the experimental message view thread.
** bienvenu
** bienvenu
***Worked on {{bug|436151}} - basic code written, but now I need a server to test against.
***Helped jminta with his RDF-removal patches
***Sped up opening saved searches {{bug|436960}}
***Other code reviews, regression fixes, and support on #maildev
** Emre
** Emre
*** Made changes to the patch of {{bug|435153}} - review pending
*** Submitted patch for bug {{bug|413874}}
*** Mainly worked on {{bug|436615}}
*** [http://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Better_Faster_IMAP_Plan#2.29_Preemptive.2FAutomatic_Message_Download Better Faster IMAP Feature 2] is updated with alternative implementation plans:
**** Waiting Bienvenu to validate the information at section ''Existing Behavior'', and ''How it works''
**** Planning to make a decision '''today''' to choose the implementation plan suits TB deadline best. Conference call after this meeting? bienvenu? others?
** Gozer
** Gozer
*** Lots of initial MoCo setup for me (LDAP account, Blog, Planet, etc)
*** Lots of reading about the existing Build/Release infrastructure
*** Joined the #sysadmins cabal on IRC
*** MoMo has it's own bugzilla product
**** MoMo IT/BE has it's own bugzilla component
**** I can now use it to track remaining IT work items
**** I still need to fix the [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=mozilla.org&format=itrequest IT request form] to deal with the now 2 IT groups
*** [http://www.apple.com/xserve/ Apple X-Serve] is there, needs to be installed by MoCo IT
*** SuperMicro Blades are there too, need some configuring.
*** Prettied up [http://gozer.ectoplasm.org/blog/ my blog], ready to include on [http://planet.mozilla.org Planet Mozilla] {{bug|438058}}
*** This week, I am targetting the [[Thunderbird:Build#Build_Machines]] Machines as described, with some of rick's help
** clarkbw
** clarkbw
 
*** Finished work visa paperwork
*** Chatted with several people about browser behavior, esp [http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/05/20/tabulation/ tabs]
*** Had to manually restore my Fedora account
**** Restored feed on [http://planet.fedoraproject.org/ planet fedora]
*** Blogged about [http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/06/04/activity-is-the-new-download/ activity manager] and [http://clarkbw.net/designs/interactive-status-bar/ interactive status bar mockups]
*** WONTFIXed {{bug|327693}} — "Scam" message should show the button "Show Images"
*** Commented on {{bug|297853}} — 'unread columns need too much room'
*** Created mockups and suggestions for {{bug|367698}} — 'avoid pre-populating "(no subject)" text in subject box'
**** Also in conjunction worked on {{bug|119684}} — 'Remove the no subject warning'
*** Reviewed patch in {{bug|273114}} — 'When forwarding messages signature line is placed after forwarded message'
*** Worked on {{bug|326076}} with suggestions from [[MailNews:Account_Wizard:Email]] and reviewing [[MailNews Talk:Account Wizard:Email]]
*** Created [[MailNews:Address_Book_New_Card_Inline]] for mockups of inline contact editing dialogs adapted from the original [http://clarkbw.net/designs/add-contacts/ add contacts designs]
** wsmwk
*** made key contacts with some intl community about publicity for bugday
*** made direct contact with 100+ recent bug reporters who have bugzilla privs (identified via bugzilla query/report) who don't appear to be currently involved in triage, inviting them to participate in QA.
*** suggested mailnews triage ideas in m.d.a.seamonkey - SM bugs that may tie into next big mailnews improvements.
** rick
*** nothing to add this week
** beckley
*** Created a SeaMonkey patch for a filter bug I had fixed: {{bug|368218}}.
*** Updated the Reply Quoting Selection patch with dmose's latest comments and some i18n issues: {{bug|23394}}.
*** Finished off the auto open mailbox code when new messages arrive.
*** Reworked our IMAP Refresh Folder List code with the latest Mozilla sources which have less RDF presence.


=== Attendees ===
=== Attendees ===


bienvenu wsmwk standard8 asuth kairo dmose davida clarkbw rick nth10sd emre rkent beckley mkmelin


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Thunderbird Meeting Details

Agenda

Action Items

Open

  • AI:clarkbw continuing to drive MailNews:Address Book New Card
    • Getting started, mockups soon to come up post-discussion.
    • Standard8 and dmose will help with this.
  • AI:clarkbw create design on wiki for Experimental Message View
  • AI:emre begin work on imap preemptive message download feature
  • AI:dmose Thunderbird 3 roadmap and planning with davida.
    • AI:dmose split out into roadmap and beyond plus concrete stuff for alpha 2
      • NOTE: specific mention needs to be made of quality goals
  • AI:nth10sd Gathering ideas on a proposed unit test infrastructure and come up with a newsgroup post.

Closed

Moving these to closed only because they aren't meant to be kept open

  • AI:davida guided form doesn't allow version unsetting
  • AI:davida bugzilla should _refuse_ unspecified version
  • AI:davida version field UI in bugzilla should be clarified
  • AI:davida should have "file bug" menu item in nightlies/alphas
    • Standard8: carry over to next week for davida response

These were closed

Thunderbird:Shredder a2

  • When
    • Planned code freeze: July 8, 23:59 Pacific

QA Updates

  • continuing with only session 2 staffed
  • we've stall slightly in terms of numbers of bug changed, but that's to be expected on the cusp of summer and the trend of UNCO reduction is still very good
  • two good prospects for coming on board to help Gary and Wayne

Roundtable

  • Status Updates
    • sipaq
      • Can't make the call unfortunately. Have to catch a flight.
      • Posted inquiry about l10n participation for TB3 pre-releases to mozilla.dev.l10n newsgroup. Got huge positive feedback, lots of localizers have pledged their support
      • Current status:
        • Languages with green tinderbox: cs, de, fr, it, ka, ko, lt, nb-NO, nl, nn-NO, pl, ru, sk, sv-SE, zh-CN
        • Languages with orange tinderbox: be, es-ES, pa-IN, tr
        • Languages with red tinderbox: af, bg, ca, da, el, en-GB, es-AR, eu, fi, ga-IE, gu-IN, he, hu, ja, ja-JP-mac, mk, mn, pt-PT, pt-BR, ro, sl, zh-TW
        • Current TB tinderbox status available at http://www.babylonsounds.com/thunderbird/tb-l10n-tinderbox-trunk.html
    • dmose
      • prodded folks for review of Venkman lossage which landed in tree - bug 428848
      • created new shared searches in bugzilla for 3.0a2 flags
      • more submodule review discussion driving
      • reviewed patch to make printing localize the Date header properly - bug 294356
    • nth10sd
      • Gathering ideas on proposed unit test infrastructure, will have a newsgroup post up over the next couple of days.
      • Figured out how to use DOMi with Thunderbird.
      • Bugday, triage activities, too many exact bug numbers to list.
    • Standard8
      • Various reviews
      • Mac OS X Address Book
        • Two problems have been filed: bug 437903 can't send to OS X mailing lists and bug 437908 filters don't work correctly for checks within OS X address book.
        • Started work on bug 437975 which fixes a non-mork mailing list send problem, which will lead into fixing bug 437903
        • I think I know the cause of bug 437908 will investigate this week
      • Automated Testing
        • fake SMTP server now in tree (bug 436847 after fixing problems due to the file format. Lots of documentation added to the idl files, also added a very basic auth test.
        • Helped rkent debug an intermittent problem with bug 228675 - events were not always happening in the order expected.
      • Autocomplete
        • bug 438333 - Reworked how address book autocomplete selection works to make bug 370306 easier and tidier.
        • bug 370306 - Progressed so that most of local address book search now works on the toolkit interfaces.
      • Misc
        • bug 437619 centralise and de-branch the address book results view UI code, which will lead onto fixing bug 438035 which is causing leaks (not freeing memory until shutdown) and unnecessary re-initialisations.
    • asuth.
    • bienvenu
      • Worked on bug 436151 - basic code written, but now I need a server to test against.
      • Helped jminta with his RDF-removal patches
      • Sped up opening saved searches bug 436960
      • Other code reviews, regression fixes, and support on #maildev
    • Emre
      • Made changes to the patch of bug 435153 - review pending
      • Submitted patch for bug bug 413874
      • Mainly worked on bug 436615
      • Better Faster IMAP Feature 2 is updated with alternative implementation plans:
        • Waiting Bienvenu to validate the information at section Existing Behavior, and How it works
        • Planning to make a decision today to choose the implementation plan suits TB deadline best. Conference call after this meeting? bienvenu? others?
    • Gozer
      • Lots of initial MoCo setup for me (LDAP account, Blog, Planet, etc)
      • Lots of reading about the existing Build/Release infrastructure
      • Joined the #sysadmins cabal on IRC
      • MoMo has it's own bugzilla product
        • MoMo IT/BE has it's own bugzilla component
        • I can now use it to track remaining IT work items
        • I still need to fix the IT request form to deal with the now 2 IT groups
      • Apple X-Serve is there, needs to be installed by MoCo IT
      • SuperMicro Blades are there too, need some configuring.
      • Prettied up my blog, ready to include on Planet Mozilla bug 438058
      • This week, I am targetting the Thunderbird:Build#Build_Machines Machines as described, with some of rick's help
    • clarkbw
    • wsmwk
      • made key contacts with some intl community about publicity for bugday
      • made direct contact with 100+ recent bug reporters who have bugzilla privs (identified via bugzilla query/report) who don't appear to be currently involved in triage, inviting them to participate in QA.
      • suggested mailnews triage ideas in m.d.a.seamonkey - SM bugs that may tie into next big mailnews improvements.
    • rick
      • nothing to add this week
    • beckley
      • Created a SeaMonkey patch for a filter bug I had fixed: bug 368218.
      • Updated the Reply Quoting Selection patch with dmose's latest comments and some i18n issues: bug 23394.
      • Finished off the auto open mailbox code when new messages arrive.
      • Reworked our IMAP Refresh Folder List code with the latest Mozilla sources which have less RDF presence.

Attendees

bienvenu wsmwk standard8 asuth kairo dmose davida clarkbw rick nth10sd emre rkent beckley mkmelin


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