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= QA Staff Meeting Notes January 18, 2012  =
<h1> QA Staff Meeting Notes January 18, 2012  </h1>
 
<h2> Meeting Details </h2>
== Meeting Details ==
<pre class="_fck_mw_lspace"> # Every other Weds @ 1:30p Pacific Time - Mozilla HQ, Warp Core  
  # Every other Weds @ 1:30p Pacific Time - Mozilla HQ, Warp Core  
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# Vidyo:  https://v.mozilla.com/flex.html?roomdirect.html&amp;key=UK1zyrd7Vhym
  # Vidyo:  https://v.mozilla.com/flex.html?roomdirect.html&key=UK1zyrd7Vhym
# Phone:  +1 650 903 0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# 95312 (US/INTL)
  # Phone:  +1 650 903 0800 or 650-215-1282 x92 Conf# 95312 (US/INTL)
#        +1 800 707 2533 (pin 369) Conf# 95312 (US Toll Free)
  #        +1 800 707 2533 (pin 369) Conf# 95312 (US Toll Free)
#        +1 416 848 3114 x92 Conf# 95312 (Canada)
  #        +1 416 848 3114 x92 Conf# 95312 (Canada)
# IRC:    <a href="http://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=1b10107157e79b08f2bf99a11f521973&amp;server=irc.mozilla.org&amp;channel=%23qa">irc://irc.mozilla.org:6697/#qa</a>
  # IRC:    [http://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=1b10107157e79b08f2bf99a11f521973&server=irc.mozilla.org&channel=%23qa irc://irc.mozilla.org:6697/#qa]
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<h2> QA Org Items </h2>
== QA Org Items ==
<ul><li> New Hires &amp; Interviews
* New Hires & Interviews
<ul><li> item
** item
</li></ul>
* Upcoming Events
</li><li> Upcoming Events
** Jan 20th: [https://quality.mozilla.org/2012/01/webapps-extension-based-testing-with-sikuli-january-20th-2012/ Web Apps Extension Based Testing] testday this Friday (David Clarke)
<ul><li> Jan 20th: <a href="https://quality.mozilla.org/2012/01/webapps-extension-based-testing-with-sikuli-january-20th-2012/">Web Apps Extension Based Testing</a> testday this Friday (David Clarke)
** Feb 3rd - 5th: [https://wiki.mozilla.org/Fosdem:2012 FOSDEM]
</li><li> Feb 3rd - 5th: <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Fosdem:2012">FOSDEM</a>
*** Anyone else beside Henrik participating this event?
<ul><li> Anyone else beside Henrik participating this event?
*** Henrik's talk has been approved - which proposal will have the biggest value?
</li><li> Henrik's talk has been approved - which proposal will have the biggest value?
**** '''CI for Mozmill tests with the focus on localizers and l10n tests'''
<ul><li> <b>CI for Mozmill tests with the focus on localizers and l10n tests</b>
**** Our efforts on investigating memory and GC issues in Firefox (MemChaser extension)
</li><li> Our efforts on investigating memory and GC issues in Firefox (MemChaser extension)
**** General Mozilla QA activities
</li><li> General Mozilla QA activities
* PTOs
</li></ul>
**
</li></ul>
 
</li></ul>
== Discussion Items  ==
</li><li> PTOs
* Next QA work week?
<ul><li>
 
</li></ul>
== QA Team Updates ==
</li></ul>
 
<h2> Discussion Items </h2>
=== Desktop Firefox  ===
<ul><li> Next QA work week?
* Firefox 9.0.1 Post-Mortem was held today ([https://etherpad.mozilla.org/9-0-1-Post-Mortem notes]) -- any notes/actions for QA?
</li></ul>
* Firefox Beta (Juan)
<h2> QA Team Updates  </h2>
** 10.0b5 builds are available, targeting sign-off by Friday
<h3> Desktop Firefox  </h3>
** Default Compatible Add-ons
<ul><li> Firefox 9.0.1 Post-Mortem was held today (<a href="https://etherpad.mozilla.org/9-0-1-Post-Mortem">notes</a>) -- any notes/actions for QA?
*** Testday results (Marcia)
</li><li> Firefox Beta (Juan)
*** Automation strategy (Henrik, Bob)
<ul><li> 10.0b5 builds are available, targeting sign-off by Friday
** GC/CC testing (Cameron, Bob)
</li><li> Default Compatible Add-ons
* Firefox Aurora (Anthony)
<ul><li> Testday results (Marcia)
** All tests for features should be in Litmus by the end of the week so we can do a pre-beta feature sign-off testrun
</li><li> Automation strategy (Henrik, Bob)
* Silent Update (Anthony)
</li></ul>
** UAC Service has landed on Nightly for about a week -- if you use Windows daily, please dogfood nightly -- UAC should not prompt for update authorization
</li><li> GC/CC testing (Cameron, Bob)
* Crash Investigation
</li></ul>
** https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2012-01-10#Stability_Report
</li><li> Firefox Aurora (Anthony)
* Firefox ESR (Anthony, Al)
<ul><li> All tests for features should be in Litmus by the end of the week so we can do a pre-beta feature sign-off testrun
** ownership being transferred to Anthony this week
</li></ul>
** 3.6.25 -> 9.0.1 Major Update happening tomorrow (delayed 1 day due to SOPA protest)
</li><li> Silent Update (Anthony)
* Desktop Automation (Anthony)
<ul><li> UAC Service has landed on Nightly for about a week -- if you use Windows daily, please dogfood nightly -- UAC should not prompt for update authorization
** Brasstacks outage is preventing us from checking in patches (dependency for verification of patches) and providing detailed results for release sign-off testing
</li></ul>
** Working on a reference test for the About dialog for the Default Compatible Add-ons automation
</li><li> Crash Investigation
 
<ul><li> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2012-01-10#Stability_Report
=== Browser Technologies (Tony)  ===
</li></ul>
* Overview (tony)
</li><li> Firefox ESR (Anthony, Al)
** Last week's Apps workweek discussed roadmap
<ul><li> ownership being transferred to Anthony this week
*** Top discussions: mozApp Api's, new platform APi's (support for B2G, desktop, android), and cross team collaboration
</li><li> 3.6.25 -&gt; 9.0.1 Major Update happening tomorrow (delayed 1 day due to SOPA protest)
** Services work week is Week of Jan 17th
</li></ul>
*** Top discussions:  Sync on Android, BrowserID+Sync, & Sagrada Services
</li><li> Desktop Automation (Anthony)
** Mobile World Congress is Week of Feb 27th
<ul><li> Brasstacks outage is preventing us from checking in patches (dependency for verification of patches) and providing detailed results for release sign-off testing
 
</li><li> Working on a reference test for the About dialog for the Default Compatible Add-ons automation
* Fennec
</li></ul>
** Blocking: {{bug|718765}} crash js::mjit::ImmutableSync::allocReg
</li></ul>
*** [[Mobile/TopBugs#QA_Top_Bugs|This week's Top Bugs]]
<h3> Browser Technologies (Tony)  </h3>
**Last week:  
<ul><li> Overview (tony)
**This week:
<ul><li> Last week's Apps workweek discussed roadmap
*** Currently assessing features at risk for Beta of Native Fennec
<ul><li> Top discussions: mozApp Api's, new platform APi's (support for B2G, desktop, android), and cross team collaboration
*** Video Performance : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Arku3jleCA0UdFVQS211Z29sV202MFdMdE5ldHA1NkE&hl=en_US#gid=3
</li></ul>
</li><li> Services work week is Week of Jan 17th
*Sync (Tracy)
<ul><li> Top discussions:  Sync on Android, BrowserID+Sync, &amp; Sagrada Services
** Sync train this week picking up some Addon Sync changes
</li></ul>
** Workweek planning
</li><li> Mobile World Congress is Week of Feb 27th
 
</li></ul>
*Test pilot (tracy)
</li></ul>
** We may turn off click to call study
<ul><li> Fennec
** building Test Pilot as a jetpack?
<ul><li> Blocking: <span class="fck_mw_template">{{bug|718765}}</span> crash js::mjit::ImmutableSync::allocReg
 
<ul><li> <a href="Mobile/TopBugs#QA_Top_Bugs">This week's Top Bugs</a>
*Sync Server (jbonacci, jrgm)
</li></ul>
** Completed the deployment to Stage and associated testing:
</li><li>Last week:  
*** Bug 717073 - Update reg and sreg to server-core 2.7-2, and change over to services.user for the backend lib
</li><li>This week:
*** Bug 701941 - Metabug for getting rid of services.auth
<ul><li> Currently assessing features at risk for Beta of Native Fennec
*** Bug 715184 - Sync CEF Logging Bug
</li><li> Video Performance&#160;: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Arku3jleCA0UdFVQS211Z29sV202MFdMdE5ldHA1NkE&amp;hl=en_US#gid=3
*** Bug 716547 - Sync error messages
</li></ul>
** Upcoming Maintenance Window for SSL Certs
</li></ul>
*** https://intranet.mozilla.org/Services/Ops/ChangeWindow_20120117
</li></ul>
*** Bug 698363: Update production SSL certificate for *.services.mozilla.com
<ul><li>Sync (Tracy)
 
<ul><li> Sync train this week picking up some Addon Sync changes
 
</li><li> Workweek planning
*BrowserID (jbonacci, jrgm)
</li></ul>
* Completed Train 18: Bug 715728 - QA and deploy BrowserID train-2012.01.05 to production
</li></ul>
*** This train included support for primaries (disabled/off)
<ul><li>Test pilot (tracy)
** Next two trains:
<ul><li> We may turn off click to call study
*** Train 19
</li><li> building Test Pilot as a jetpack?
**** Localization in the code, disabled/off
</li></ul>
*** Primaries in the code, enabled/on
</li></ul>
*** Train 20
<ul><li>Sync Server (jbonacci, jrgm)
**** Localization in the code, enabled/on
<ul><li> Completed the deployment to Stage and associated testing:
 
<ul><li> Bug 717073 - Update reg and sreg to server-core 2.7-2, and change over to services.user for the backend lib
*Firefox Home (nhirata)
</li><li> Bug 701941 - Metabug for getting rid of services.auth
** Waiting for changes to take place
</li><li> Bug 715184 - Sync CEF Logging Bug
 
</li><li> Bug 716547 - Sync error messages
*WebAPI (jhammink)
</li></ul>
 
</li><li> Upcoming Maintenance Window for SSL Certs
*b2G (jhammink)
<ul><li> https://intranet.mozilla.org/Services/Ops/ChangeWindow_20120117
 
</li><li> Bug 698363: Update production SSL certificate for *.services.mozilla.com
=== WebQA (Stephen)  ===
</li></ul>
*Affiliates:
</li></ul>
** [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716792 release today]
</li></ul>
** Blayne, new contributor will be working on automation
<p><br />
** rshetty continues to verify releases
</p>
* AMO
<ul><li>BrowserID (jbonacci, jrgm)
**  
</li><li> Completed Train 18: Bug 715728 - QA and deploy BrowserID train-2012.01.05 to production
* Engagement Projects
<ul><li><ul><li> This train included support for primaries (disabled/off)
** Careers is in process
</li></ul>
** DTPT 80% done
</li><li> Next two trains:
* Input
<ul><li> Train 19
** not seeing active development
<ul><li> Localization in the code, disabled/off
** big thanks to davehunt for updating our Selenium tests so we are green again
</li></ul>
* Mozilla.com
</li><li> Primaries in the code, enabled/on
**[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=qawanted&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=2092800&resolution=FIXED&resolution=INVALID&resolution=WONTFIX&resolution=DUPLICATE&resolution=WORKSFORME&resolution=INCOMPLETE&resolution=SUPPORT&resolution=EXPIRED&query_based_on=mComQAWanted&query_format=advanced&component=www.mozilla.org%2Ffirefox&target_milestone=1.3&product=Websites 1.3] milestone
</li><li> Train 20
*Mozillians:
<ul><li> Localization in the code, enabled/on
** community driven test plan
</li></ul>
* MDN
</li></ul>
**[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718687 2.0] milestone
</li></ul>
* Socorro
</li></ul>
** successful release the [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717055 2.4 milestone]
<ul><li>Firefox Home (nhirata)
*SUMO
<ul><li> Waiting for changes to take place
**[http://moxie.jamessocol.com/bugstats/sumo/2012-01-10 1/10] release and [http://moxie.jamessocol.com/bugstats/sumo/2012-01-17 1/17] release went out
</li></ul>
**[http://moxie.jamessocol.com/bugstats/sumo/2012-01-24 1/24] release in process
</li></ul>
 
<ul><li>WebAPI (jhammink)
=== Community (Marcia)  ===
</li></ul>
* David Boswell has suggested setting up a standing weekly meeting for us to come up with and execute an action plan for bringing more contributors into all areas of QA.
<ul><li>b2G (jhammink)
** More details about meetings and plans can be tracked on the QA Stewards page:
</li></ul>
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Stewards/QA.
<h3> WebQA (Stephen)  </h3>
** David owns the calendar entry so please contact him if you wish to be added to the meeting. Right now it is on calendar for 4 PM on Mondays.
<ul><li>Affiliates:
** At the last Community Team meeting, the general consensus was to keep the meeting time going forward. It was suggested that we need to change the meeting time.
<ul><li> <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716792">release today</a>
*** Will need names of people who want to attend this meeting so I can find a time that works.
</li><li> Blayne, new contributor will be working on automation
*** The goals of this meeting will be to brainstorm and identify items that we want to work on, and then in David Boswell's meeting figure out how to accomplish those goals.
</li><li> rshetty continues to verify releases
* Fort Lewis College Open Source Software Class - [https://mozqa.etherpad.mozilla.org/40 project list]
</li></ul>
* Upcoming Testdays/BugDays/Meetups
</li><li> AMO
**
<ul><li>  
* Video Work
</li></ul>
**
</li><li> Engagement Projects
*QMO (Al):
<ul><li> Careers is in process, the last round of bugs just got fixed
** Still need confirmation of a new QMO owner.  
</li></ul>
** Raymond has volunteered to own it but needs overall approval by Stephen and/or Bob (management)?
</li><li> Input
 
<ul><li> not seeing active development
=== QA Automation Service (Henrik, David)  ===
</li><li> big thanks to davehunt for updating our Selenium tests so we are green again
* General
</li></ul>
** Selenium 2.17 has been released
</li><li> Mozilla.com
** David is doing at talk at [http://www.meetup.com/London-Web-Performance-Group/events/26116281/ London Web Performance]
<ul><li><a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=qawanted&amp;keywords_type=allwords&amp;list_id=2092800&amp;resolution=FIXED&amp;resolution=INVALID&amp;resolution=WONTFIX&amp;resolution=DUPLICATE&amp;resolution=WORKSFORME&amp;resolution=INCOMPLETE&amp;resolution=SUPPORT&amp;resolution=EXPIRED&amp;query_based_on=mComQAWanted&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;component=www.mozilla.org%2Ffirefox&amp;target_milestone=1.3&amp;product=Websites">1.3</a> milestone
*Mozmill
</li></ul>
** {{bug|718468}} '''RFE for setting the Focus manager in test mode to concurrently run Mozmill tests'''
</li><li>Mozillians:
** '''New temporary Mozmill dashboard is available at http://mozmill-release.blargon7.com/'''
<ul><li> community driven test plan
 
</li></ul>
====Project updates====
</li><li> MDN
; CI system for on-demand release tests (Geo)
<ul><li><a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718687">2.0</a> milestone
 
</li></ul>
; CI system for daily and l10n Firefox Builds (Henrik)
</li><li> Socorro
* No updates
<ul><li> successful release the <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717055">2.4 milestone</a>
 
</li></ul>
; '''MemChaser - Memory and Garbage Collection analysis'''
</li><li>SUMO
* Check memory usage, and GC/CC timings directly in the Add-on bar
<ul><li><a href="http://moxie.jamessocol.com/bugstats/sumo/2012-01-10">1/10</a> release and <a href="http://moxie.jamessocol.com/bugstats/sumo/2012-01-17">1/17</a> release went out
* In combination with https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Leak_Tools#Cycle_collector_heap_dump you can help to investigate GC/CC issues
</li><li><a href="http://moxie.jamessocol.com/bugstats/sumo/2012-01-24">1/24</a> release in process
* Download the restartless extension from https://github.com/whimboo/memchaser/downloads
</li></ul>
* Plans to upload a final 0.1 version to AMO by end of this week
</li></ul>
 
<h3> Community (Marcia)  </h3>
; '''Compatibile By Default Automation'''
<ul><li> David Boswell has suggested setting up a standing weekly meeting for us to come up with and execute an action plan for bringing more contributors into all areas of QA.
* Joined work on the [https://wiki.mozilla.org/Auto-tools/Projects/Compatibile_By_Default_Automation project] between QA Automation Services and A-Team
<ul><li> More details about meetings and plans can be tracked on the QA Stewards page:
* We will test 10 add-ons installed by default and sequentially 5 other ones from the top 100 add-ons for en-US, de, and zh-CN versions of Firefox  
</li></ul>
* Tests to be executed: endurance, update, endurance, and optionally functional tests
</li></ul>
 
<p>https://wiki.mozilla.org/Stewards/QA.
; [https://wiki.mozilla.org/QA/TCM Case Conductor]
</p>
*
<ul><li><ul><li> David owns the calendar entry so please contact him if you wish to be added to the meeting. Right now it is on calendar for 4 PM on Mondays.
 
</li><li> At the last Community Team meeting, the general consensus was to keep the meeting time going forward. It was suggested that we need to change the meeting time.
== Notes, Takeaways and Action Items  ==
<ul><li> Will need names of people who want to attend this meeting so I can find a time that works.
 
</li><li> The goals of this meeting will be to brainstorm and identify items that we want to work on, and then in David Boswell's meeting figure out how to accomplish those goals.
=== Today ===
</li></ul>
* Add notes here
</li></ul>
**
</li><li> Fort Lewis College Open Source Software Class - <a href="https://mozqa.etherpad.mozilla.org/40">project list</a>
=== Last Meeting ===
</li><li> Upcoming Testdays/BugDays/Meetups
* Action Items
<ul><li>
**
</li></ul>
</li><li> Video Work
<ul><li>
</li></ul>
</li><li>QMO (Al):
<ul><li> Still need confirmation of a new QMO owner.  
</li><li> Raymond has volunteered to own it but needs overall approval by Stephen and/or Bob (management)?
</li></ul>
</li></ul>
<h3> QA Automation Service (Henrik, David)  </h3>
<ul><li> General
<ul><li> Selenium 2.17 has been released
</li><li> David is doing at talk at <a href="http://www.meetup.com/London-Web-Performance-Group/events/26116281/">London Web Performance</a>
</li></ul>
</li><li>Mozmill
<ul><li> <span class="fck_mw_template">{{bug|718468}}</span> <b>RFE for setting the Focus manager in test mode to concurrently run Mozmill tests</b>
</li><li> <b>New temporary Mozmill dashboard is available at http://mozmill-release.blargon7.com/</b>
</li></ul>
</li></ul>
<h4>Project updates</h4>
<dl><dt> CI system for on-demand release tests (Geo)
</dt></dl>
<dl><dt> CI system for daily and l10n Firefox Builds (Henrik)
</dt></dl>
<ul><li> No updates
</li></ul>
<dl><dt> <b>MemChaser - Memory and Garbage Collection analysis</b>
</dt></dl>
<ul><li> Check memory usage, and GC/CC timings directly in the Add-on bar
</li><li> In combination with https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Leak_Tools#Cycle_collector_heap_dump you can help to investigate GC/CC issues
</li><li> Download the restartless extension from https://github.com/whimboo/memchaser/downloads
</li><li> Plans to upload a final 0.1 version to AMO by end of this week
</li></ul>
<dl><dt> <b>Compatibile By Default Automation</b>
</dt></dl>
<ul><li> Joined work on the <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Auto-tools/Projects/Compatibile_By_Default_Automation">project</a> between QA Automation Services and A-Team
</li><li> We will test 10 add-ons installed by default and sequentially 5 other ones from the top 100 add-ons for en-US, de, and zh-CN versions of Firefox  
</li><li> Tests to be executed: endurance, update, endurance, and optionally functional tests
</li></ul>
<dl><dt> <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/QA/TCM">Case Conductor</a>
</dt></dl>
<ul><li>
</li></ul>
<h2> Notes, Takeaways and Action Items  </h2>
<h3> Today </h3>
<ul><li> Add notes here
<ul><li>
</li></ul>
</li></ul>
<h3> Last Meeting </h3>
<ul><li> Action Items
<ul><li>
</li></ul>
</li></ul>
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