Calendar:QA Chat:2006-12-07:Log

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[11:38]	<ctalbert>	It's about time to get started with the calendar QA 
Chat: the agenda is here:
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[11:39]	<ctalbert>	Hi mschroeder
[11:40]	<firebot>	New Calendar - Provider: ICS/Webdav bug 363085 filed by
[11:40]	<firebot>	Bug 
nor, --, ---,, UNCO, Not possible to enter a webdav share 
that requires SSLVerifyClient
[11:40]	<ctalbert>	The agenda for today is:
[11:41]	<firebot> set the Resolution 
field on bug 249796 to WORKSFORME.
[11:41]	<firebot>	Bug 
maj, --, ---,, RESO WORKSFORME, I am unable to configure 
user/password when wanting to publish my calendar to a remote location
[11:41]	<ctalbert>	So, first, does anyone have any feedback on the December
 5th Test day?
[11:42]	<mschroeder>	hi ctalbert
[11:42]	<ctalbert>	I plan to get the results together from it and submit 
post those to the blog and the NG this afternoon
[11:42]	<ctalbert>	Did the new time work out for people?
[11:44]	<ctalbert>	Silence == yes
[11:44]	<Sebo>	there was someone asking for the reason, but I think it is ok
[11:44]	<ctalbert>	The reason was to prevent the test day from starting 
before the nightly builds were ready.
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[11:44]	<ctalbert>	This had been a problem in the past.
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[11:45]	<Sebo>	yes, I remember that
[11:45]	<ctalbert>	It was still a problem on Tuesday because the mac builds
 didn't make it in time for the test day's beginning.
[11:45]	<Sebo>	for us europeans it is fine: we have the afternoon and the 
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[11:45]	<ctalbert>	It would have worked better for me too.
[11:46]	<ctalbert>	Other thoughts on the test day?
[11:46]	<Sebo>	well, we have to think about calbot
[11:47]	<ctalbert>	Is it proving useful?
[11:47]	<ctalbert>	Or is it getting in the way?
[11:47]	<Sebo>	it seems that there are not so many people joining - and less 
people that actualy ask calbot what to do
[11:49]	<ctalbert>	With the shorter timeframe for the test day, there is 
less moderator switching, which is the problem I envisioned for calbot to help 
[11:49]	<xFallenAngel>	maybe because his capabilities are a bit limited w.r.t 
tasks. Maybe the user should be able to get the next bug that is unconfirmed or 
something. Since we are not that many, I believe the users see no point in 
telling him what they are working on
[11:50]	<xFallenAngel>	Or I have to make a perfect natural language parser that
 will find out what people are working on by what they are saying :)
[11:50]	<Sebo>	heh
[11:50]	<ctalbert>	I agree with your first point
[11:51]	<Sebo>	yes, the task list is probably something that is better in the 
[11:52]	<xFallenAngel>	the question is, how do we keep track of what is 
happening? Users usually dont tell us what they are doing until we either ask 
them or they encounter a problem
[11:52]	<ctalbert>	that is true, and I don't expect user's behavior to 
change in that regard.
[11:52]	<Sebo>	in case of litmus it is easy: I like the report feature
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[11:53]	<ctalbert>	Calbot could auto query litmus or bugzilla
[11:53]	<Sebo>	and then auto-construct a nice web page ;-)
[11:53]	<xFallenAngel>	wow you are giving me ideas... :)
[11:54]	<ctalbert>	Hi Ulf, we're discussing feedback on the dec. 5 test 
day...currently calbot.
[11:54]	<xFallenAngel>	that would be possible, yes. Take a snapshot of what 
bugs are unconfirmed at the beginning of the testday, then query them once in a 
while, keeping track of who confirmed what
[11:54]	<xFallenAngel>	and query litmus for test case results
[11:54]	<ctalbert>	That would be very nice for totalling it all in the end.
[11:54]	<xFallenAngel>	then put up the results on the wiki when the day is over
[11:54]	<ctalbert>	Currently, I do all that by hand with queries and bug 
[11:54]	<ulf>	ctalbert: hi, thx
[11:55]	<xFallenAngel>	and of course when the wiki page first gets put up a 
command to parse the start and end times from those values :)
[11:55]	<xFallenAngel>	eh from that page I mean
[11:55]	<xFallenAngel>	brb, gotta pick up my girlfriend :)
[11:56]	<ctalbert>	Well, anything else about the test day other than 
[11:57]	<ulf>	any feedback on the sun provided components
[11:58]	<ctalbert>	I think my favorite part of the event dialog was the 
recurrence panel, with the preview option.
[11:58]	<Sebo>	I liked being able to choose the timezone in the edit dialog
[11:59]	<ulf>	what do people think about the general usability of the dialog
[12:00]	<Sebo>	but alarms in tasks gave problems for me
[12:00]	<ctalbert>	I did not like the "Attachment" part of the event 
dialog. It wasn't clear what to attach, or how it would be handled. Once I 
exported to ICS and saw that it was used as a URL, I started to feel that is 
probably a bug. But it is probably a much larger issue of how we don't really 
handle attachments that well right now.
[12:00]	<ulf>	Sebo: right, alarms and tasks are still problematic
[12:01]	<ulf>	ctalbert: completely agreed - there is much confusion about this
[12:01]	<ctalbert>	Overall, I felt the usability is good. I still like the 
expandable nature of our current event dialog, and if you could find a way to 
mirror that functionality in the prototype dialog, I think you'd have a winner.
[12:02]	<Sebo>	ctalbert: I had the same problem. I didnt know what attach means
 until I figured that the URL should go there
[12:02]	<ulf>	ctalbert: you mean the "more " button?
[12:03]	<ctalbert>	The Free/Busy screen was confusing at first, but it 
sounds like Daniel has been updating the UI.
[12:03]	<ctalbert>	ulf: yes
[12:03]	<ctalbert>	ulf: there are good arguments both for and against that 
thing. It's definitely something advanced users prefer and it confuses the heck 
out of first time users.
[12:04]	<ulf>	ctalbert: micky updateted the free/busy if I'm not wrong
[12:04]	<ctalbert>	Ulf: there might be a way to avoid having the "More" 
button by allowing a better interface for inline editing. I think Christian had 
some ideas about that.
[12:05]	<ctalbert>	ulf: oops. My mistake. I meant Mickey
[12:05]	<ulf>	I can understand that the free/busy looks confusing at a first 
[12:06]	<ulf>	the real power of the dialog probably shows when connected to a 
calendar server like the
[12:06]	<ulf>	did anybody try that?
[12:07]	<ctalbert>	I haven't yet, but I hope to, now that I remember my 
credentials. :-)
[12:07]	<Sebo>	was there an official test server for the test day?
[12:08]	<ctalbert>	There was, that was it. We can get you a WCalendar 
account for it too.
[12:08]	<mschroeder>	We should have a set of official test servers.
[12:08]	<mschroeder>	for CalDAV & WCAP
[12:08]	<ctalbert>	I'll make a wiki page with that information from
 xFallenAngel and with the staroffice server.
[12:09]	<ctalbert>	I think xFallenAngel has CalDav and WebDav available
[12:09]	<ulf>	very nice
[12:09]	<ctalbert>	We should probably move on to the next point.
[12:10]	<ctalbert>	I'll be out all of next week.
[12:10]	<ctalbert>	The next test day is December 19, and I've made a wiki
 page next week's QA Chat, which has some reminders of things to do before the 
test day.
[12:11]	<Sebo>	is there a topic for the test day?
[12:11]	<ctalbert>	I'll also list those on the ToDo List.
[12:12]	<ctalbert>	Not yet. If xFallenAngel's Google Calendar Provider 
lands with enough time for us to do some preliminary testing, then that would be
 a good candidate.
[12:12]	<ctalbert>	Otherwise, there have been some fixes going into CalDav,
 so we might focus on that too.
[12:13]	<ulf>	and if people hadn't the oportunity to test against a WCAP 
server I could provide some more testing accounts
[12:13]	<ctalbert>	That's also a good idea. It could be a "remote calendar"
 test day. Test all of Caldav, wcap, and webdav.
[12:14]	<ctalbert>	And google, if it lands
[12:14]	<ulf>	nice motto
[12:14]	<ctalbert>	thx
[12:15]	<ctalbert>	Ok. On to QA Wanted bugs.
[12:15]	<ctalbert>	I confess I've spent much of my time this week on Litmus
 stuff, and not QA Wanted bugs.
[12:16]	<ctalbert>	Speaking of that, if anyone needs/wants a Litmus account
 to create testcases for the Dec. 19th testday, let me know afterward. I'll get 
you set up.
[12:16]	<ctalbert>
[12:16]	<ctalbert>	Whoo-hoo only 9
[12:17]	<Sebo>	Im just about to clear one more...
[12:17]	<ctalbert>	Which one?
[12:18]	<Sebo>	bug 312533
[12:18]	<firebot>	Sebo: Bug maj, --, ---,, UNCO, ftp support is gone in sunbird-1.2
[12:18]	<ctalbert>	:-)
[12:18]	<ctalbert>	I'll skip it then.
[12:19]	<ctalbert>	So, at the top...bug 327752 is still on my list, unless 
anyone else wants to tangle with it.
[12:19]	<firebot>	ctalbert: Bug nor, --, ---,, UNCO, Exception when creating WebDAV calendar using 
Microsoft WebDAV (Web Folder).
[12:19]	<ctalbert>	Anyone have any ideas/input on bug 340488?
[12:20]	<firebot>	ctalbert: Bug nor, --, ---,, UNCO, birthday's listed double after upgrade to a new 
sunbird version
[12:20]	<Sebo>	hmm, still on my list
[12:20]	<ctalbert>	ok
[12:20]	<ctalbert>	339960?
[12:21]	<ctalbert>	^^^ This one just needs to be confirmed, it seems.
[12:22]	<nightrat>	ctalbert: is there a need for a build of sunbird from
 mozilla_1_8_branch for testing purposes? i build today one, so i could upload 
[12:22]	<Sebo>	as I said: I encounterd this bug early this year, but it is 
likely fixed now
[12:22]	<ulf>	if it doesn't depend on an openXchange server, I could take 
[12:23]	<Sebo>	We can only close it if we test it against openXchange :-(
[12:24]	<Sebo>	nobody seems to have that available...
[12:24]	<ctalbert>	Sebo, it probably has been closed. Yeah, I'd like to try
 to test this against openXchange. I overlooked that part of it.
[12:24]	<firebot>	New Calendar - General bug 363090 filed by
[12:24]	<firebot>	Bug 
cri, --, ---,, UNCO, Sunbird crashes when adding an icalendar
 file on an https server
[12:25]	<ctalbert>	No one else has reported this thing against webdav in 
general, so it seems like it might just be an openXChange issue.
[12:25]	<mschroeder>	it could be a non-mozilla timezone issue
[12:25]	<ctalbert>	True.
[12:26]	<ctalbert>	nightrat: I don't think there is a need for that, I 
think all the Tboxen are ok, except for hilo. But thanks!
[12:26]	<mschroeder>	I will try to get openXchange running.
[12:26]	<ctalbert>	mschroeder: Thanks! Let us know how it goes.
[12:26]	<firebot> added attachment 247851 to bug 363090.
[12:27]	<Sebo>	lets not skip bug 312533
[12:27]	<ctalbert>	I am going to test bug 293562 today.
[12:27]	<ctalbert>	Sebo ok
[12:27]	<Sebo>	there is one remaining issue..
[12:27]	<firebot>	ctalbert: Bug cri, --, ---,, NEW, sunbird crashing while loading remote calendars
[12:28]	<ctalbert>	Now that dmose is back, I'm going to bug him about
[12:28]	<nightrat>	ctalbert: i don't mean a build from trunk, a build from 
moz_1_8_branch: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: 
Gecko/20061207 Calendar/0.4a1
[12:28]	<ctalbert>	Which brings us to 312533: What is the remaining issue 
[12:28]	<Sebo>	I just added it to the bug:
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[12:29]	<Sebo>	two error messages if I have a username that contains a "." in 
[12:29]	<ctalbert>	I see
[12:29]	<Sebo>	apart from that it is WFM
[12:30]	<Sebo>	So probably I should close this bug and file a follow up?
[12:31]	<ctalbert>	Let's do that, since this is a very old bug.
[12:31]	<Sebo>	ok
[12:32]	<ctalbert>	bug 347128 is next
[12:32]	<firebot>	ctalbert: Bug nor, --, ---,, UNCO, Changes to a remote calendar using ftp (without 
providing the username/password in the URL) are not
[12:33]	<mschroeder>	"Remote Calendar" test day should also cover FTP... 
there are some old bugs and we should verify which are still valid.
[12:33]	<ctalbert>	mschroeder: I agree!
[12:34]	<mschroeder>	and maybe file new bugs for outstanding issues and close
 the old bugs.
[12:34]	<Sebo>	does anyone else have a ftp server running?
[12:34]	<mschroeder>	yes
[12:35]	<Sebo>	the main issue I have: if I dont specify username and password 
in the address
[12:35]	<ctalbert>	yes, I've got one here, but I'm an admin on the FTP box.
 I should create myself another account...
[12:35]	<Sebo>	will sunbird ask or will it assume anonymous
[12:36]	<Sebo>	or does this depend on ftp configuration?
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[12:36]	<ctalbert>	I'm not sure. I will try to check this out.
[12:37]	<Sebo>	thanks
[12:38]	<ctalbert>	Bug 324088 looks like it has my name all over it. Not 
sure how I missed this one.
[12:38]	<firebot>	ctalbert: Bug maj, --, ---,, UNCO, accept invitation button does not add an event to the 
[12:38]	<ctalbert>	Here's another old WebDav one: bug 255995
[12:38]	<firebot>	ctalbert: Bug nor, --, ---,, UNCO, first calendar reload stalls when Content-Encoding: 
gzip used
[12:39]	<ctalbert>	I believe that xFallenAngel's WebDav server is apache.
[12:39]	<ctalbert>	oh, but his is on linux, not windows.
[12:41]	<Sebo>	but maybe not an important difference
[12:41]	<ctalbert>	maybe not. Sounds like https and gzip
[12:41]	<mschroeder>	I also think so.
[12:42]	<ctalbert>	it's nice to have a good bug report :-)
[12:43]	<ctalbert>	After looking through these again, I am convinced that 
our next test day does need to be a "remote calendar" test day.
[12:43]	<mschroeder>	maybe I could try it on Windows
[12:43]	<ctalbert>	ok
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[12:44]	<ctalbert>	I think we're over our time limit. Does anyone have 
anything else?
[12:46]	<ctalbert>	Let me know if anyone wants to be able to write Litmus 
test cases.
[12:46]	<ctalbert>	Thanks for your help! Happy testing.
[12:46]	<Sebo>	bye bye
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[12:47]	<ctalbert>	nightrat: I finally understand what you are offering -- 
a Sunbird build from the 1.8 branch.
[12:47]	<nightrat>	ctalbert: yes :-) to see that all works on the branch 
until we have nightlies from it
[12:48]	<ctalbert>	I'm sorry. I was not thinking about it during the 
meeting. Please upload it and let us know how to get it.
[12:48]	<ctalbert>	Thanks!