Calendar:QA Chat Log:2006-08-03
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For reference, go to: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:Current_QA_Chat” -->| jminta (jminta@moz-B77DEAEB.mozilla.org) has joined #calendar-qa -->| Andreas (Andreas_Tr@3A9C4C9F.4C00166E.33AABD5F.IP) has joined #calendar-qa -->| Thorsten-Bln (chatzilla@moz-D4D96EE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #calendar-qa -->| ssitter (chatzilla@moz-1C2D64BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #calendar-qa <ctalbert> hello everyone <jminta> morning <ctalbert> I suppose we'll go ahead and get started. <ssitter> good evening <ctalbert> :-) <ctalbert> timezones...heh <ssitter> you say it <ctalbert> The first thing I wanted to start a discussion on was the "Proposed test case grouping" post I made a few days ago. <ctalbert> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:Proposed_Test_Case_Grouping <ctalbert> These would be the groups of test cases in litmus for both Sunbird and Lightning. Of course, some things might be added or removed for each product. <ctalbert> But, in general I think most things on the list are common between the two. -->| nightrat (Yvonne@moz-C4B0F21.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #calendar-qa <Andreas> We, Ulf and I (Sun QA) think this document is very useful. And together with Joey's '0.3 Release Status' document it should be easy to start with the test case writing. <ssitter> nightrat: welcome <nightrat> hi :-) <ctalbert> hi <ctalbert> nightrat: I just directed everyone to the test case grouping proposal for discussion: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:Proposed_Test_Case_Grouping <ctalbert> andreas: That's exactly where I want to go with this. <ctalbert> My goal is to use this to begin writing testcases and then have a test day very soon after august 17th. <ssitter> can this testcases be chained? like i do testcase 'event creation' and this is followed by testcase 'event display'. <ctalbert> Yes, I don't see why not. <nightrat> ctalbert: ok, thanks <ctalbert> I'll figure out some way to do that in Litmus. <ctalbert> :-) <ssitter> does litmus offer this things or do i have to use my brain <ctalbert> I think litmus will have some ability to help us there. And we can always suggest features for it. I don't think they completely support what you're thinking of at the moment, so you might stil have to use your brain <ssitter> if i have to ;-) -->| anderson_belo_mangueira (andersonma@E3D3660.D28A68EB.DEB47A40.IP) has joined #calendar-qa <ssitter> ctalbert: i think that list look good <ctalbert> ssitter: thanks. <ctalbert> I am thinking of having a community test writing day fairly soon. When do people think it would be best to have it? <jminta> tuesday would be awesome, so we can talk about it at the weds 0.3 meeting bits -->| dmose (dmose@moz-A8CDE328.office.mozilla.org) has joined #calendar-qa <jminta> is tha too soon? <ctalbert> With this (0.3) release, I don't think anything can possibly happen too soon. ;-) <jminta> :) <ctalbert> It would be a stretch for me, but I think that it could be do-able. <ctalbert> What do others think? <nightrat> ctalbert: should l10n be a part of the test case? <ctalbert> Good question. <ctalbert> I don't know. <ctalbert> I looked at the way that Firefox and Thunderbird are structured, and they put L10N in a separate test group altogether. <ssitter> i think you can just do the 'normal' testcases with e.g. a de-DE build <nightrat> ctalbert: ok, that might be good <ctalbert> ssitter: very true. <ctalbert> I think that may be the way ffox and tbird work, because under their L10N test groups, they just have very basic tests in each language <nightrat> ok, let's follow them * ctalbert nods <jminta> aren't l10n tests something that we do only immediately before a release? <jminta> because localized builds aren't available and aren't usually up to date <ctalbert> I would think so, since most dev occurs in English <ssitter> 'open every dialog and verify that all strings are shown' <ssitter> test done :-) <ssitter> i think real l10n tests makes sense when we will do real l10n releases, like fx and tb <ssitter> at the moment we do en builds and other builds are currently contributed <nightrat> ssitter; you're right at the moment <nightrat> i meant this when we have l10n releases from cvs <ctalbert> For now we can certainly follow the ffox and tbird methodology, and tweak it in the future if need be. <ctalbert> About this test writing day...what do people think about having it next Tuesday? <ctalbert> I think it would be good to have a community event to get that started, and then people can continue to contribute testcases afterward <nightrat> i think it would be ok <ssitter> if jminta doesn't land a ton of patches the day before there might be an hour or two to spend <ssitter> :-) <ctalbert> I'll get someone to spike his coffee on monday :-) <ctalbert> s/spike/drug <ctalbert> We can plan for that. We'll do it like a test day. <ctalbert> We'll have this forum open, and a wiki page up for people to land their test cases on. <ctalbert> Unfortunately, we cannot give everyone Litmus test-case write access at the moment. * ssitter was just going to ask about the 'how' to write <ctalbert> It will be easiest to land them on the wiki, and have me put them into Litmus. <ctalbert> I've talked to Zach a little about this, and that was what he suggested. <ctalbert> I can make myself available from say 8:30 to 15:30 (my time) for questions. <jminta> i can take the later time <nightrat> in UTC? <ctalbert> That would be uh...13:30 to 20:30 <ctalbert> utc <ctalbert> I'm central time, in the US * ssitter recommends the FoxClock extension for Sunbird <ctalbert> Thanks. Sunbird is still building at the moment. * jminta recommends his tz converter extension <ctalbert> Would 13:30 be early enough for the Europeans? I could come in an hour earlier, if it would help <Andreas> I think an hour earlier would be nicer for us. <ssitter> i will not be able to join before 16:30 utc <nightrat> it would be ok for me <jminta> rm: remove write-protected regular file `sunbird-0.3a1+.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2'? yes <jminta> rm: cannot remove `sunbird-0.3a1+.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2': Permission denied <jminta> -bash-3.00$ pwd <jminta> oops sorry <ctalbert> heh -->| lilmatt (mwillis@moz-8BBD264E.twcny.res.rr.com) has joined #calendar-qa <ctalbert> hi lilmatt <lilmatt> Hey. Sorry I was late. <ctalbert> Ok, then we'll have the testcase writing day from 12:30 UTC to at least 20:30 UTC, perhaps a bit later, depending on how long jminta is available <dmose> i can be there starting around 19:30 <ctalbert> Great <ctalbert> And for the latecomers, this will be this coming Tuesday, August 8 <ctalbert> I will post to the newsgroup with a summary of the details. <ctalbert> jminta: do you own the blogs? <ctalbert> s/blogs/calendar blog? <jminta> ctalbert: i have access, i don't know that i won it <jminta> own* <ctalbert> I'd like to post a blog conerning the test case writing day. <jminta> i can definitely get that up there <ctalbert> Or submit it to you to post <ctalbert> great. <ctalbert> And one last item on the agenda. After the testcase writing is done, we will have a calendar test day. When should that be? <ctalbert> The question is: should we do that before or after the 17th? <jminta> i'd think it should be after <ctalbert> That was my thought. <lilmatt> yes <ctalbert> I was thinking the 21st or 22nd <ctalbert> I'd lean toward the 22nd, since it's a Tuesday. (Mondays always seem more difficult to organize events on). <ctalbert> What do folks think? <jminta> i think if we can set a tuesday pattern, that'd be helpful <lilmatt> 22 sounds fine. I'm just glad you didn't pick the 18th, as that's my wife's bday <Andreas> Tuesday sounds good. <ctalbert> We'll shoot for that. I'll let the mozilla QA folks know, and perhaps we can pull some of them into it as well. |<-- anderson_belo_mangueira has left irc.mozilla.org (Quit: ) <ctalbert> That's all I had. Is there anything else that people would like to discuss? <jminta> i've got one <jminta> i've been trying to more liberal with the qawanted keyword in bugzilla <jminta> these are mostly UNCO bugs that, if we can confirm them, are critical <jminta> so just an encouragement from me for people to poke at those <ctalbert> sounds good. I'll try to do some of that. <ctalbert> If anyone wants to get a head start writing test cases, please do. Just create a wiki page off of http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:QA_Home <ctalbert> And put them up there. <dmose> jminta: maybe it's worth calling out the use of that keyword in a blog entry, if you haven't already <jminta> yeah, i'll tweak yesterday's post <ctalbert> Anything else? <ctalbert> If anyone would like to help write sample test cases for some of the components, let me know: cmtalbert at myfastmail dot com <dmose> great; thanks for driving this clint! <ssitter> ctalbert: maybe you can put together a template testcase <ssitter> ctalbert: that can be used for new testcases <ctalbert> ssitter: I will do that. <ctalbert> I'll include it in my NG post <ssitter> you know best what information litmus needs <ctalbert> that's true. <ctalbert> Ok. Time's about up. Thanks everyone. <ctalbert> Meeting adjourned.