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== Firefox 3 Meeting ==
'''Meeting Details'''
* Tuesdays - Firefox 3 - 11:00am Pacific, 2:00pm Eastern, 19:00 UTC
* Mozilla Building S - <script> conference room
* 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x91 Conf# 217 (US/INTL)
* 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 217 (US)
* irc.mozilla.org #granparadiso for backchannel
=== PRD Status Update ===
* Perma Links: [[Firefox3/Firefox_Requirements|Current PRD]] & [[Firefox3/Product_Requirements_Document|Detailed Feature List]] & [[FirefoxNext/ProductRequirements|Firefox Next Requirements]].
* Outstanding [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=Client+Support&product=Documentation&component=PRD+Change+Request&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&resolution=---&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&known_name=PRD-Changes&query_based_on=PRD-Changes&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= Change Requests] to review.
=== Open Action Items ===
=== Schedule & Tree Rules ===
* beta 1 is code complete
** had to respin twice, now at [ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/3.0b1-candidates/rc3/ release candidate 3]
** first test day went very successfully
** [http://quality.mozilla.org/en/node/876 second test day] scheduled for this Friday
** * [http://wiki.mozilla.org/MozillaQualityAssurance:Home_Page:Firefox_3.0_TestPlan:M9_Results Results from M9 testing]
* beta 2
** new checkin rules
** prioritize the blockers, new milestone definitions
** keep an eye on the calendar: US thanksgiving coming up!
=== Work in progress ===
* Web-based protocol handling (PH team)
* Places (Places team)
* Download Manager
* Password Manager (dolske)
* Add-ons Manager (Rob Strong, Mossop, mwu)
* Security, Privacy, Identity
* Installer
* User Experience
* Theming/Visual Makeover
=== Security Review ===
* Design Review [[Firefox3/Feature_Plan_Template|Proposal]]
* Suggested order for review
** Password Manager ([http://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Dolske/Password_Manager_Security_Review done])
** Offline Apps ''([done])''
** Web Content Handlers ([http://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Dmose:Protocol_Handler_Security_Review up next])
** Microformats (mkaply)
** RSS (sayrer)
** Add-Ons (rob_strong) ([[User:Mossop/Addons_Security_Review|in progress]])
** [http://wiki.mozilla.org/Places:Fx3FeaturePlan Places] (dietrich)
** Cross-domain XMLHttpRequest - Done.
** Distribution/Customization
** ContentEditable
** Private Browsing
** Malware Protection
=== QA Status/Topics ===
* [http://wiki.mozilla.org/MozillaQualityAssurance:Home_Page:Firefox_3.0_TestPlan:M9_Results Results from M9 testing]
=== Localization Topics ===
=== Round table ===
== Gecko 1.9 Meeting ==
'''Meeting Details'''
* Wednesdays - 11:00am Pacific, 2:00pm Eastern, 19:00 UTC
* Mozilla Building S - <script> conference room
* 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x91 Conf# 217 (US/INTL)
* 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 217 (US)
* join irc.mozilla.org #granparadiso for backchannel
=== General Discussion ===
*Your top priority should be:
*# Setting the priority on your blockers with the following proposed criteria:
*#* P1 and P2: These bugs are bugs that '''must''' be fixed for beta 2; they will get the beta 2 blocking flag once we add that flag. These bugs should be high impact or complexity (see criteria below).
*#* P3: These are bugs that are not beta 2 blockers, but are still important blockers with moderate impact and complexity.
*#* P4 and P5: These are bugs that we still think should be blockers, but if there are bugs that are going to fall of the list, these are the ones that will get axed.
*# Triaging your noms down to zero, performing the prioritization in step 1 above, and keeping them as close to zero as possible.
* '''Priorities for all blockers must be set by 11:59 PM, Thur, Nov 8, PST'''. This responsibility falls on bug owners and component owners (?)
* Discuss [http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/StatusMeetings/2007-11-06/ReleaseDrivers Driving Subsequent Releases]
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_id=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bugidtype=include&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&email1=&email2=&emailtype1=substring&emailtype2=substring&field-1-0-0=bug_status&field0-0-0=component&field0-0-1=component&field0-0-2=component&field0-0-3=component&field0-0-4=component&field0-0-5=component&field0-0-6=component&field0-0-7=component&field0-1-0=product&field1-0-0=flagtypes.name&field1-1-0=priority&field1-1-1=priority&keywords=&keywords_type=allwords&known_name=1.9a1%2B&long_desc=&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&negate0=1&query_format=advanced&remaction=&short_desc=&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&type-1-0-0=anyexact&type0-0-0=equals&type0-0-1=equals&type0-0-2=equals&type0-0-3=equals&type0-0-4=equals&type0-0-5=equals&type0-0-6=equals&type0-0-7=equals&type0-1-0=equals&type1-0-0=equals&type1-1-0=equals&type1-1-1=equals&value-1-0-0=UNCONFIRMED%2CNEW%2CASSIGNED%2CREOPENED&value0-0-0=Autocomplete%20&value0-0-1=Download%20Manager&value0-0-2=Help%20Viewer&value0-0-3=NSIS%20Installer&value0-0-4=Preferences&value0-0-5=Printing&value0-0-6=Toolbars%20and%20Toolbar%20Customization&value0-0-7=Satchel&value0-1-0=Toolkit&value1-0-0=blocking1.9%2B&value1-1-0=P1&value1-1-1=P2&votes=&order=bugs.priority%2Cmap_components.name%2Cmap_assigned_to.login_name%2Cbugs.bug_id&query_based_on=1.9a1%2B Current list of beta 2 blockers.]
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&known_name=1.9a1%2B&query_based_on=1.9a1%2B&negate0=1&field0-0-0=component&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=Autocomplete+&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=equals&value0-0-1=Download+Manager&field0-0-2=component&type0-0-2=equals&value0-0-2=Help+Viewer&field0-0-3=component&type0-0-3=equals&value0-0-3=NSIS+Installer&field0-0-4=component&type0-0-4=equals&value0-0-4=Preferences&field0-0-5=component&type0-0-5=equals&value0-0-5=Printing&field0-0-6=component&type0-0-6=equals&value0-0-6=Toolbars+and+Toolbar+Customization&field0-0-7=component&type0-0-7=equals&value0-0-7=Satchel&field0-1-0=product&type0-1-0=equals&value0-1-0=Toolkit&field1-0-0=flagtypes.name&type1-0-0=equals&value1-0-0=blocking1.9%2B&field1-1-0=priority&type1-1-0=equals&value1-1-0=P1 Only P1 Blockers]
We only have 4 weeks between the beta 1 and beta 2 branch points due to the holiday season.
We have 700 bugs currently marked as blockers. That's too many.
We're asking (requiring) component owners to set priorities on blockers, as a first pass of what bugs should be beta 2 blockers. You want it to be about 10% of blockers, or what you can get done in 4 weeks.
Note that we'll be doing pretty much the same thing for beta 3, which means that something like 80% of the ~700 bugs currently marked as blockers will not be fixed for Firefox 3. The hope is that by "fixing the most important blockers" several times, we'll get to a point where we can cut the rest without feeling bad about the quality of the release. (And if we do feel bad, we can add an extra beta or two.)
After the [[Firefox3/Beta2CheckinQueue]] clears, it's likely that bugs will require milestone-specific approval.
=== Beta 2 criteria, proposal 1 ===
* '''Should''' go in for beta 2:
** Bugs likely to cause regressions -- it is better to land risky patches for beta 2 than later!
** Bugs that prevent many users from browsing the web on a daily basis
** Security issues
** Top crashers
* '''Can''' go in for beta 2:
** Memory leaks
** Performance issues
** Major regressions from Firefox 2
** Functionality in support of a P1 PRD item (?)
=== Beta 2 criteria, proposal 2 ===
Maybe listing all those criteria (like in "proposal 1") isn't especially productive: it leaves out many reasons bugs might be "important" for other reasons. For example, a bug might be important now because it affects Leopard, or because we suddenly realized it is critical for Chinese users, or because web sites are using XHR more than they did when we released Firefox 2. ("Bugs that prevent many users from browsing the web on a daily basis" gives a way out, but why not make that the only criterion?)
* Should go in for '''beta 2''':
** The 10% most important blockers
** Anything risky (likely to cause regressions) among the next 10% most important blockers
* Should go in for '''beta 3''':
** The next 10% most important blockers
* Should be '''cut''' from Firefox 3:
** New features that have not gone in yet.
** Any patch with too much risk of regressions to go in at the beginning of the beta 2 cycle (because there will never be a safer time to land them)
** The rest of the "blockers" (80% ?)
"Importance" should be judged largely on how much the bug would "prevent users from browsing the web on a daily basis". This allows bugs to be compared on equal footing whether they are crashes, regressions, Leopard bugs, or even long-standing bugs that we had hoped to fix in Firefox 3. (One major exception to this is security issues.)
=== Blockers and Noms ===
Blockers report:
* [http://people.mozilla.com/~timr/FF3.0/image001.png Blockers]
* [http://people.mozilla.com/~timr/FF3.0/image002.png Stacked Blockers]
* [http://people.mozilla.com/~timr/FF3.0/image003.png Noms]
* [http://people.mozilla.com/~timr/FF3.0/image004.png Stacked Noms]
=== Platform Round Table ===
* GFX Update
** Status of prioritization of Beta 2 P1s and Beta 2 Blockers?
** 1 P1
** 6 P2s
** 14 printing bugs.
* Layout Update
** Status of prioritization of Beta 2 P1s and Beta 2 Blockers?
* Content Update
** Status of prioritization of Beta 2 P1s and Beta 2 Blockers?
* Mac OS X Update
** 20 Blockers remaining.
** 1/2 are planning to do for M10.
** Status of prioritization of Beta 2 P1s and Beta 2 Blockers?
* Build Tools/Toolkit
** {{bug|346214}} - Vista icon doesn't build on current refplatform. Will require updating MozillaBuild + Platform SDK on Win32 refplatform
== Firefox 3 Meeting ==
'''Meeting Details'''
* Tuesdays - Firefox 3 - 11:00am Pacific, 2:00pm Eastern, 19:00 UTC
* Mozilla Building S - <script> conference room
* 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x91 Conf# 217 (US/INTL)
* 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 217 (US)
* irc.mozilla.org #granparadiso for backchannel
=== PRD Status Update ===
* Perma Links: [[Firefox3/Firefox_Requirements|Current PRD]] & [[Firefox3/Product_Requirements_Document|Detailed Feature List]] & [[FirefoxNext/ProductRequirements|Firefox Next Requirements]].
* Outstanding [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=Client+Support&product=Documentation&component=PRD+Change+Request&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&resolution=---&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&known_name=PRD-Changes&query_based_on=PRD-Changes&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= Change Requests] to review.
=== Open Action Items ===
=== Schedule & Tree Rules ===
* beta 1 is code complete
** had to respin twice, now at [ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/3.0b1-candidates/rc3/ release candidate 3]
** first test day went very successfully
** [http://quality.mozilla.org/en/node/876 second test day] scheduled for this Friday
** * [http://wiki.mozilla.org/MozillaQualityAssurance:Home_Page:Firefox_3.0_TestPlan:M9_Results Results from M9 testing]
* beta 2
** new checkin rules
** prioritize the blockers, new milestone definitions
** keep an eye on the calendar: US thanksgiving coming up!
=== Work in progress ===
* Web-based protocol handling (PH team)
* Places (Places team)
* Download Manager
* Password Manager (dolske)
* Add-ons Manager (Rob Strong, Mossop, mwu)
* Security, Privacy, Identity
* Installer
* User Experience
* Theming/Visual Makeover
=== Security Review ===
* Design Review [[Firefox3/Feature_Plan_Template|Proposal]]
* Suggested order for review
** Password Manager ([http://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Dolske/Password_Manager_Security_Review done])
** Offline Apps ''([done])''
** Web Content Handlers ([http://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Dmose:Protocol_Handler_Security_Review up next])
** Microformats (mkaply)
** RSS (sayrer)
** Add-Ons (rob_strong) ([[User:Mossop/Addons_Security_Review|in progress]])
** [http://wiki.mozilla.org/Places:Fx3FeaturePlan Places] (dietrich)
** Cross-domain XMLHttpRequest - Done.
** Distribution/Customization
** ContentEditable
** Private Browsing
** Malware Protection
=== QA Status/Topics ===
* [http://wiki.mozilla.org/MozillaQualityAssurance:Home_Page:Firefox_3.0_TestPlan:M9_Results Results from M9 testing]
=== Localization Topics ===
=== Round table ===
== Gecko 1.9 Meeting ==
'''Meeting Details'''
* Wednesdays - 11:00am Pacific, 2:00pm Eastern, 19:00 UTC
* Mozilla Building S - <script> conference room
* 650-903-0800 or 650-215-1282 x91 Conf# 217 (US/INTL)
* 1-800-707-2533 (pin 369) Conf# 217 (US)
* join irc.mozilla.org #granparadiso for backchannel
=== General Discussion ===
*Your top priority should be:
*# Setting the priority on your blockers with the following proposed criteria:
*#* P1 and P2: These bugs are bugs that '''must''' be fixed for beta 2; they will get the beta 2 blocking flag once we add that flag. These bugs should be high impact or complexity (see criteria below).
*#* P3: These are bugs that are not beta 2 blockers, but are still important blockers with moderate impact and complexity.
*#* P4 and P5: These are bugs that we still think should be blockers, but if there are bugs that are going to fall of the list, these are the ones that will get axed.
*# Triaging your noms down to zero, performing the prioritization in step 1 above, and keeping them as close to zero as possible.
* '''Priorities for all blockers must be set by 11:59 PM, Thur, Nov 8, PST'''. This responsibility falls on bug owners and component owners (?)
* Discuss [http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/StatusMeetings/2007-11-06/ReleaseDrivers Driving Subsequent Releases]
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_id=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bugidtype=include&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&email1=&email2=&emailtype1=substring&emailtype2=substring&field-1-0-0=bug_status&field0-0-0=component&field0-0-1=component&field0-0-2=component&field0-0-3=component&field0-0-4=component&field0-0-5=component&field0-0-6=component&field0-0-7=component&field0-1-0=product&field1-0-0=flagtypes.name&field1-1-0=priority&field1-1-1=priority&keywords=&keywords_type=allwords&known_name=1.9a1%2B&long_desc=&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&negate0=1&query_format=advanced&remaction=&short_desc=&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&type-1-0-0=anyexact&type0-0-0=equals&type0-0-1=equals&type0-0-2=equals&type0-0-3=equals&type0-0-4=equals&type0-0-5=equals&type0-0-6=equals&type0-0-7=equals&type0-1-0=equals&type1-0-0=equals&type1-1-0=equals&type1-1-1=equals&value-1-0-0=UNCONFIRMED%2CNEW%2CASSIGNED%2CREOPENED&value0-0-0=Autocomplete%20&value0-0-1=Download%20Manager&value0-0-2=Help%20Viewer&value0-0-3=NSIS%20Installer&value0-0-4=Preferences&value0-0-5=Printing&value0-0-6=Toolbars%20and%20Toolbar%20Customization&value0-0-7=Satchel&value0-1-0=Toolkit&value1-0-0=blocking1.9%2B&value1-1-0=P1&value1-1-1=P2&votes=&order=bugs.priority%2Cmap_components.name%2Cmap_assigned_to.login_name%2Cbugs.bug_id&query_based_on=1.9a1%2B Current list of beta 2 blockers.]
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&known_name=1.9a1%2B&query_based_on=1.9a1%2B&negate0=1&field0-0-0=component&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=Autocomplete+&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=equals&value0-0-1=Download+Manager&field0-0-2=component&type0-0-2=equals&value0-0-2=Help+Viewer&field0-0-3=component&type0-0-3=equals&value0-0-3=NSIS+Installer&field0-0-4=component&type0-0-4=equals&value0-0-4=Preferences&field0-0-5=component&type0-0-5=equals&value0-0-5=Printing&field0-0-6=component&type0-0-6=equals&value0-0-6=Toolbars+and+Toolbar+Customization&field0-0-7=component&type0-0-7=equals&value0-0-7=Satchel&field0-1-0=product&type0-1-0=equals&value0-1-0=Toolkit&field1-0-0=flagtypes.name&type1-0-0=equals&value1-0-0=blocking1.9%2B&field1-1-0=priority&type1-1-0=equals&value1-1-0=P1 Only P1 Blockers]
We only have 4 weeks between the beta 1 and beta 2 branch points due to the holiday season.
We have 700 bugs currently marked as blockers. That's too many.
We're asking (requiring) component owners to set priorities on blockers, as a first pass of what bugs should be beta 2 blockers. You want it to be about 10% of blockers, or what you can get done in 4 weeks.
Note that we'll be doing pretty much the same thing for beta 3, which means that something like 80% of the ~700 bugs currently marked as blockers will not be fixed for Firefox 3. The hope is that by "fixing the most important blockers" several times, we'll get to a point where we can cut the rest without feeling bad about the quality of the release. (And if we do feel bad, we can add an extra beta or two.)
After the [[Firefox3/Beta2CheckinQueue]] clears, it's likely that bugs will require milestone-specific approval.
=== Beta 2 criteria, proposal 1 ===
* '''Should''' go in for beta 2:
** Bugs likely to cause regressions -- it is better to land risky patches for beta 2 than later!
** Bugs that prevent many users from browsing the web on a daily basis
** Security issues
** Top crashers
* '''Can''' go in for beta 2:
** Memory leaks
** Performance issues
** Major regressions from Firefox 2
** Functionality in support of a P1 PRD item (?)
=== Beta 2 criteria, proposal 2 ===
Maybe listing all those criteria (like in "proposal 1") isn't especially productive: it leaves out many reasons bugs might be "important" for other reasons. For example, a bug might be important now because it affects Leopard, or because we suddenly realized it is critical for Chinese users, or because web sites are using XHR more than they did when we released Firefox 2. ("Bugs that prevent many users from browsing the web on a daily basis" gives a way out, but why not make that the only criterion?)
* Should go in for '''beta 2''':
** The 10% most important blockers
** Anything risky (likely to cause regressions) among the next 10% most important blockers
* Should go in for '''beta 3''':
** The next 10% most important blockers
* Should be '''cut''' from Firefox 3:
** New features that have not gone in yet.
** Any patch with too much risk of regressions to go in at the beginning of the beta 2 cycle (because there will never be a safer time to land them)
** The rest of the "blockers" (80% ?)
"Importance" should be judged largely on how much the bug would "prevent users from browsing the web on a daily basis". This allows bugs to be compared on equal footing whether they are crashes, regressions, Leopard bugs, or even long-standing bugs that we had hoped to fix in Firefox 3. (One major exception to this is security issues.)
=== Blockers and Noms ===
Blockers report:
* [http://people.mozilla.com/~timr/FF3.0/image001.png Blockers]
* [http://people.mozilla.com/~timr/FF3.0/image002.png Stacked Blockers]
* [http://people.mozilla.com/~timr/FF3.0/image003.png Noms]
* [http://people.mozilla.com/~timr/FF3.0/image004.png Stacked Noms]
=== Platform Round Table ===
* GFX Update
** Status of prioritization of Beta 2 P1s and Beta 2 Blockers?
** 1 P1
** 6 P2s
** 14 printing bugs.
* Layout Update
** Status of prioritization of Beta 2 P1s and Beta 2 Blockers?
* Content Update
** Status of prioritization of Beta 2 P1s and Beta 2 Blockers?
* Mac OS X Update
** 20 Blockers remaining.
** 1/2 are planning to do for M10.
** Status of prioritization of Beta 2 P1s and Beta 2 Blockers?
* Build Tools/Toolkit
** {{bug|346214}} - Vista icon doesn't build on current refplatform. Will require updating MozillaBuild + Platform SDK on Win32 refplatform
