SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2009-11-17

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SeaMonkey Meeting Details

Time: November 11, 2009, 13:00 UTC
Location: #seamonkey IRC channel

Agenda

Who's taking minutes?

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

Get permission from Google to use their geolocation JSON service [KaiRo]. Contact at Google says: "We don't have a good estimate for when GLS will be opening up more broadly, but I will be sure to let you know when we take that step. Sorry that I can not be more specific at this time." - We can only wait right now.
- KaiRo emailed Google again more than 8 weeks ago and again 5 weeks ago, no reply yet, even though the MoCo geolocation contact has poked the Google contact as well.

CLOSED

SeaMonkey 2.0 Final

Shipped on October 27!
167 fixed-seamonkey2.0 bugs (all post 2.0b2)!
Pushed venkman perf hit and GetDefaultReader to 2.0.1.
2.0 has 19 official languages including en-US, as well as a beta/unofficial Turkish version (requested by localizer due to incomplete L10n). More to come for 2.0.1.
What are we going to do with regards to 1.9.1.6?
- 2.0.1 will be based on 1.9.1.6 now as 1.9.1.5 was a crash-fixer released on Thursday 5th November, and KaiRo did not have enough time to generate a release that week.
Feedback
- Many positive messages.
- Also many posts with problems, a few common threads among those:
  - Failure to launch when installed over 1.x - can we do something with removed-files? Ratty has filed bug 526202 on this issue.
    - Components dumped by extensions into the application/components/ directory are definitely a problem.
  - Some things already mentioned in Known Issues.
  - Profile migration failures - not sure how to diagnose these. Things like missing all passwords in migration are strange, but hard to debug especially if we don't have access to the users system.
  - The migration experience for people with multiple profiles is sub-optimal and we need to find some way of making this better.
  - Quicklaunch from SeaMonkey 1.1.x still enabled, need to see if it's possible/wanted to disable Quicklaunch during SeaMonkey 2 setup (should not be that difficult). IanN keep an eye on this issue (bug 526204).
  - The new Password and Form Managers seem to be hard for people to grasp, do we need docs on those so we can point people to them? BenoitRen to file a bug and to contact people who can potentially help to do the documentation. There is an existing bug, bug 463903 for form autocomplete.
    - One immediate issue is for a form history editor to edit/delete incorrect entries. There is a Form History Manager extension for SeaMonkey 2.0 that can do this. But we need this as a native function of SeaMonkey for a better user experience. Perhaps we can use that extension as a starting point.
  - For some users cut&paste isn't working for some Windows 7 users. Specifically, nothing gets pasted. This has been traced to the McAfee Site Advisor component of the McAfee Internet Security Suite (also shipped with other McAfee products and with Yahoo security suites that are rebranded McAfee). Latest reports indicate that this problem only surfaced after RC2 because in previous versions of the McAfee Security Suite, the Site Advisor was an optional component. However the in latest versions the Site Advisor cannot be deselected. Also users with McAfee subscriptions who auto-updated got the Site Advisor whether they wanted it or not.
  - Some users upgrading from 1.1 who never used a master password are now being prompted at every startup for a (non-existent) password. In 1.1 it was possible to set a master password but not use it if the preferences were set that way. Some users might have accidentally set a master password and forgot about it and this could have been migrated to the 2.0 profile. Unfortunately in 2.0 if a master password is set then it is used.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for last two (full) weeks: 65 new, 20 fixed, 58 triaged.

High rate of new bugs immediately after 2.0 release but declining.
Fixing rate down as we all take a breath after this.
Triage rate up from 34 at last meeting.

Major wanted/needed features:

2.0.x

bug 423281 Help updates.
- Status/Progress?
bug 483282 Make sure normal SeaMonkey use doesn't pay a price for having venkman installed.
- Needs at least a core patch landing for 1.9.1.6 (.5 will be a short-cycle crash-fixing update) bug 364864 nsICategoryManager::deleteCategoryEntry does not persist outside of component registration.
- Progress/Status?
bug 471346 Port GetDefaultFeedReader to SeaMonkey shell service. New patch needed.
- Progress/Status?

2.1

bug 460953 kill-rdf port [sgautherie]
- status/progress?
bug 436794 Enable Mac OS X system address book per default and add UI.
- SM UI needed, unowned, helpwanted.
bug 410613 OpenSearch. helpwanted.
- We need to check if OpenSearch can support all our existing functionality, for example the INTEPRETS section in Sherlock search plugins. Mnyromyr will check on that, and on how extensible the Firefox code is.
bug 449728 drag tabs between windows
- unowned so far.
bug 498596 places bookmarks
- unowned so far.
bug 477845 Build a standalone (Gecko 1.9.1) Composer
- Will look into that once KompoZer 0.8 is done.
bug 477840 Backport KompoZer to Composer
- Will look into that once KompoZer 0.8 are done.
bug 523274 Complete new default theme icon set
- status/progress?
- A list of TODO icons is up in the bug
- Still needs quite a bit of work.
- bug 522023 is working on improving the browser globe in task icons, etc..
bug 526210 Update the icon set for the SeaMonkey Modern Theme.
- unowned so far.
bug 521927 Make Search, Folder Location and Views widgets for MailNews customizable toolbars.
- status/progress?

We also should take a look at the other items on wanted-seamonkey2.1+

Roundtable

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

ajschult

Aqualon

asrail

biesi

Callek

IanN

Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.

InvisibleSmiley

KaiRo

Enjoying a well deserved holiday.
As always, my blog has more detailed status about ~~my work~~ my trip to the US Gulf Region.

mcsmurf

Helping out in the Mozillazine SeaMonkey Support forum ;)

Misak

Mnyromyr

MReimer

Neil

Ratty

Bug triage and bug discussions.
AgitProp and PR in http://forums.mozillazine.org/
Answering questions in the Mozillazine SeaMonkey Support forum.

Note:

Currently I am concentrating on my own extensions as well as my extensions port project and won't be too active in SeaMonkey development for a while - at least until 2.1 development starts to ramp up.

sgautherie

Standard8

stefanh

wladow

Any other business?

Thunderbird mass-mailed Thunderbird extension authors on AMO reminding them to update their extensions for Thunderbird 3.0. We should do a similar mass mailing targeting two groups:
- Existing SeaMonkey extensions that haven't been upgraded to 2.0.
- Firefox and Thunderbird extension authors encouraging them to make their extensions compatible with SeaMonkey 2.0.
- Ratty filed AMO bug 527919. The way forward appears to be that we draft one or more messages and AMO will take care of sending these out to extension developers.
EOL date for SeaMonkey 1.1?
- The plans for Gecko 1.8 are rather murky at the moment. KaiRo will probably try to get a clearer view when a 1.8.1.24 will be prepared possibly in December.