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Thunderbird notes 2015-10-20. NOON PT (Pacific). For meeting time, previous notes and call-in details see


  • wsmwk, marcoagpinto, rkent, mkmelin, Jorg K, MakeMyDay, aceman, neander

Action items from last meetings

Friends of the tree

Current status and discussions

Critical Issues

Leave critical bugs here until confirmed fixed. If confirmed, then remove.


  • 38.3.1 bug 1211160 calendar is a workaround for 38.3.0 — NEW, — Thunderbird Version 38.3 Buttons not working menu items // bug 1211291 - Folders are visible, but messages are not. (?related to bug 1211358 lightning chrome.manifest not updated in 38.3.0 ?)
  • 42.0b1 FIXED IN B2 - bug 1199957 Thunderbird hangs (addon manager, web content, cache)
  • nightly (3 bugs blocking builds, all are assigned) - bug 1195442 - Mac builds broken ~1 month on nightly
  • rkent is working on it - bug 1183490 - (dataloss) New emails do not adhere to sort by order received
    • Plan is to understand issues in converting completely to nextKey = ++lastKey for non-IMAP, then plan how much to implement for 38.3.0 A simple fix of the dataloss is probable. I have a try patch that does the nextKey = ++lastKey that works, now I need to think about patch for 38 (bug 1202105 needs to go to trunk and 38)
    • update 2015-10-20, patches have been posted but waiting for reviews for 2 weeks (aceman will look at those)

important (not top critical)

  • status TBD - bug 1182629 - update to 38.1.0 from 38.0.1 re-enables disabled Lightning
  • status TBD - bug 1176399 - Multiple master password when GMail OAuth2 is enabled
  • status ??? - bug 1176748 - Someone needs to add additional main thread proxies to the migration code (jorgk and m_kato have in previous years been the major drivers of fixes)
  • topcrash bug 1149287 is ** 31% of our crashes** - see below

removing from critical list/fixed:

Critical for TB42 and beyond:

  • bug 1193200 - Blocker - FIXED: Permissions manager/Remote content exceptions - landed Sept 27th, 2015 on TB44.


  • Past
    • 38.0.1 nominally shipped 2015-06-12
    • 38.1.0 shipped 2015-07-10
    • 31.8.0 shipped 2015-07-17
    • 40.0beta shipped 2015-07-27 (skipping 39.0b)
    • 38.2.0 shipped 2015-08-14
    • 41.0b1 2015-09-08 build2. missed ~2015-08-10
    • 41.0b2 (with uplifts for 38.3.0)
    • 38.3.0 ~2015-09-25 (throttled on 2015-10-06)
    • 42.0b2 2015-10-13 (42.0b1 abandoned)
  • Upcoming


Past releases:

Upcoming releases:


  • Still need help rewriting SUMO help articles on Lightning

Round Table


Jorg K

  • bug 1174452 - M-C editor problem, copy/paste - "white-space: pre;" - patch proposed in bug 1214377 - awaiting review.
  • M-C spellchecker dictionary problems done: eight bugs landed. Done.
  • bug 1211261 - C-C activity manager not notified when "before junk" rule applied on POP - awaiting review.
  • bug 769604 - C-C font size toolbar button and change increase/decrease size function - awaiting review.


  • Upcoming meeting with MoFo and pEp in Toronto. Wayne, Cloke, Rkent from Thunderbird.
  • Personal development work: integration of SkinkGlue into c-c as JsAccount
  • Investigated Github atom/electron as a development environment for a post-Gecko Thunderbird. It would be really good to have some partners in long-term work for Thunderbird. Gecko Thunderbird is dying, is there any debate about that?
  • Long-term, we need a strong, donating user community to support Thunderbird. I've been playing with names, registered Thundernest as .com, .net, ,org. .io, github, twitter, facebook, and slack. It is really rare to have a meaningful logo like that that can be registered so widely, so learn to love it!
  • Who would be good candidates for a Thunderbird Council nominating committee?
  • Mailnews patch expectations: comments, test descriptions, using markdown.
  • ADI exceeded 9.5 million this week, new record.
  • Huge efforts going on in extensions, not sure how that will impact us.


  • Following the unexpected HTML-composed email downconversions to plain-text causing dataloss to users: bug 414299, bug 584313, bug 1210244, bug 1204379, bug 136502. WADA and Thomas D. are driving it and I am trying to implement what makes sense. Nothing landed yet, but we tackle it from multiple angles and it seems we understand the problems.

Question Time

  • new account provisioner: Are there currently any providers other than Gandi? Would it be worth trying to find some more?

Support team


  • Note - meeting notes must be copied from etherpad to wiki before 5AM CET next day so that they will go public in the meeting notes blog.

Action Items

Help Wanted