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SeaMonkey Meeting Details


  • Who's taking minutes? -> frg
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • IanN and frg for moving over Help Viewer and Error Console to Seamonkey

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.



  • Google just announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in bug 1167038.
  • Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
    • Per bug 903439#c10, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong.
  • IanN has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. mcsmurf is waiting for survey results to come back, members mailing-list and council appointments can then be reviewed.
    • TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
  • IanN SeaMonkey project areas is very outdated. There just aren't enough people to go around. IanN did compose a Draft which is currently being discussed.
  • frg suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.


Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

Routine reports:

  • Notes:
    • Callek: Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
    • Ewong will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with Callek first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
    • Various Bugs open for building.
      • OSX64: busted due to bug 1260362. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed.
      • Linux64 Nightly: bug 1275215 is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
      • Linux64 build: bug 1275218 is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
      • Windows building on the loaner works.
    • [3rd August 2016]
      • [comm-central]:
        • All en-US platforms, even Windows, have been built successfully at least once, and most of them regularly, since the previous meeting. At the moment the most hiccups happen on the Mac.
        • Post-merge nightlies are being published for L32 and L64. Otherwise W32(31-Jul), Mac(01-Aug) just before the merge.
      • [comm-aurora]:
        • Only Mac builds are missing. Latest one from 30-Jul.
      • [comm-beta]:
        • No 2.46 nightlies yet. 2.46 tinderbox-builds exist for L32, L64 and Mac, 2.45(29-Jul) for W32 (done only on request on the loaner).
      • [comm-release]:
        • 2.45 tinderbox-builds exist for L32 and L64, 2.44(24-Jul) for Mac, nothing for Windows.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting

  • Nothing new here

Release Train

  • Next release will be 2.45 (no ETA yet)
    • bug 1234012 will likely be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.45 or the release notes will be updated so that user can copy the missing files themselves (userchrome samples). The patch for bug 1240798 can not be used at this time.
    • bug 1231349 will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.
  • Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey. Becomes more unlikely with ESR52 on the horizon.
    • Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling
    • merges were performed as scheduled on August 1st
    • mozilla-beta → mozilla-release was merged July 25th
  • l10n builds may be problematic to get out.

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings (outdated), alternative list started (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
  • The HTML Validator extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. The Beta version is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them (or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build). It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as the W3C validator but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See the developer's site for details.
  • bug 1291500 - "Cannot move cZ tabs by drag&drop anymore" affects both Sm & Fx since 13 July. ewong & tonymec suspect "Core :: Drag and Drop" bug 1162050 "Remove draggesture and dragdrop events" which was landed within the regression window.
  • bug 1291269 - "Wrong Lightning version in Seamonkey builds" seems to be only a bad version.txt in the mail directory and will be fixed before a release.
  • bug 1273298 - "Add-ons are disabled on trunk builds" did apparently fix most problems with disabled add-ons but there are still cases where they are disabled after an upgrade. Likely this is caused by the toolkit code thinking there were side-loaded. But the user should be able to activate them again.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.40 current release

open tracking (0) tracking requests (5) targeted (0) fixed (14)

2.41 skipped

open tracking (0) tracking requests (8) targeted (0) fixed (26)

2.42 skipped

open tracking (0) tracking requests (8) targeted (1) fixed (21)

2.43 skipped

open tracking (0) tracking requests (5) targeted (0) fixed (10)

2.44 skipped

open tracking (0) tracking requests (1) targeted (1) fixed (22)

2.45 planned (and hopefully also for real) next release

open tracking (0) tracking requests (1) targeted (1) fixed (6)


  • We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet.
    See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
    • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
    • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
  • Stalled. Needs a kick:
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Landed, but may need server-side changes to function correctly:
    • bug 1274722 Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
    • bug 1271761 Add CPU features/detection to update URL
  • Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):
    • bug 1256714 Aero Peek not working (2.44+). Filed Firefox bug 1269810 for additional zoom problem (still sitting there unconfirmed).
    • bug 1278130 Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey (2.47+).
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
      • about:config Fixed in SeaMonkey bug 1222816.
      • about:privatebrowsing Fixed in SeaMonkey bug 1192276
        • Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
      • about:support reviewed and ready bug 1222818
      • about:addons yet to come bug 1222817
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 - SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743.
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. frg will pick up the patch from Neil.
    • Rsx11m filed bug 1267631 Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.
      • There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. We can check it in and allow users to enable it for testing, then hope it'll be ready when trunk hits release. Since the strings are in already, we are flexible.
      • At least SeaMonkey trunk is built with an NSS version supporting TLS 1.3, security.tls.version.max remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being.
  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
    • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
    • About specific aspects of this problem, see: bug 1230796, bug 1230804, bug 1230806 and maybe more.
    • [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.
  • [Ratty] made some progress to fix bug 1222817 - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in but currently doesn't have the time to continue.
  • [Ratty] will look at bug 995095 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 23 new, 13 fixed, 11 triaged.

  • medium triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.

Open reviews/flags: 72 review 5 super-review 3 ui-review 13 feedback

  • x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
    • Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
    • Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in bug 482143.
    • System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in bug 1208822.

Roundtable - Personal Status Updates

Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).





Waiting for review or feedback:

  • bug 1226102 Browser: F6 always selects sidebar first, then next frame couter-clockwise.
  • bug 1240798 Copy default profile files to new profiles since Bug 1234012 stopped doing. Needs a toolkit patch. This is ready but any volunteers to take this part thru Mozilla review are welcome. Don't have any experience with try etc. and not much time right now. See bug.
  • bug 1256714 Aero Peek not working. Filed Firefox bug 1269810 for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46 and 47.
  • bug 1273298 Add-ons are disabled on trunk builds (according to irc conversation might be fixed after setting the defines for the build)
  • bug 1278130 Port Bug 1273685 PopupBlocking:UpdateBlockedPopups messages can be very large to Seamonkey.
  • bug 1282227 Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to Seamonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something. Needs feedback.
  • bug 1285798 Use favicon-service by default in Seamonkey.
  • bug 1288743 Change icon size and options for composer toolbar
  • bug 1290756 Remove help viewer from Toolkit. (just done 08/03)

Working on:

  • bug 521861 After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
  • bug 1258226 Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.
  • bug 1238767 Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.


  • Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: bug 1279851 CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.
  • Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet. No time no progress.

Other things on my mind:

  • --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.
  • bug 1244467 Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by bug 1210791. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.
  • When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.
Comment from 03/29: I am working on this problem. We have lots of UNCONFIRMED Bugs, many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them Core half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- Rrbd (talk) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)
Some more precise statistics here in the unofficial blog. -- Rrbd (talk) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)
My turf - more or less. I am busy closing UNCONFIRMED bugs (75 this year until now today), but this is much too few to see a real progress. I will try to have a little more priority for this. -- Rrbd (talk) 10:01, 1 August 2016 (PDT)









Rainer Bielefeld

Probably I will not be able to participate

currently working on

Planned (ToDos)

see SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2016-07-19#Rainer_Bielefeld



Pushed to comm-central:

Ready to land:

  • bug 1267631 Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time
    • string changes have landed, TLS 1.3 was enabled on trunk builds per bug 1250568
    • still somewhat uncertain when the checkbox should be exposed, activity is ongoing

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1016577 Update about:rights content for Geolocation service similar to Toolkit bug 514817
  • bug 1287753 In-Reply-To: and References: should be removed from mail saved as Template
  • bug 1286703 On reply to a own sent email the original sender identity is not chosen if other than the account default identity
    • ports Thunderbird bug 903390 to SeaMonkey (MailNews part landed with that bug)
    • also fixes issue from bug 1265534 when switching signatures in Paragraph mode
  • bug 1287289 Add checkboxes to open the data manager and the addon manager in standalone windows instead of a browser tab
  • bug 1287642 Open as dialog for Add-ons and Data Manager should no longer be associated with
    • follow-up bugs to bug 1255354 which added the backend but didn't decouple this from Link Behavior


  • bug 1289489 Describe how remote debugging works and add Help for its options in the Advanced Preferences
  • bug 1289493 Save spell checking language with draft message and restore/remember it when editing the draft

Performing ui-review:

  • bug 1222818 Restore about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles


  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.




Any other business?