Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2008-11-11

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Thunderbird Meeting Details

• Tuesday, Nov 11, 17:30 UTC (9:30am Pacific, 12:30pm Eastern)
• How to dial-in

Agenda

• Who's taking minutes? --> emre
• Minute taking Schedule. Talk to davida for schedule changes/additions.

Calls For Help

• davida would appreciate assistance on the autoconfiguration branch. (The awesome create-a-new-account screen where you just enter your e-mail address and it figures out most/all of the details for you.) One particular area that could use assistance is handling certificates in the connection detection logic.

Action Items

New

• Gloda needs to be more documented in order to make the feature more visible to the users (asuth)

Open

• dmose: drive JS-in-mail discussion - expecting to meet today at MoCo office and take some actions for beta1
• davida: will escalate issue of separate messaging crash-stats server
  • Crash-stats is looking reasonable at the moment. Do we still want to do this?
  • We can ask for 100% sampling of Thunderbird on existing crash-test server - gozer will file a bug asking for this.
  • We would like our own server, but it's not as urgent as it was.
• davida: needs to identify the major work items for thunderbird 3 and break them down by the beta/release they will be in.
  • hoping to do as a group this week.
• From the Alpha 3 post-mortem (individuals should take your own items and go through them):
  • wsmwk: Need to define what tests (e.g. smoketests/basic functional/unit tests etc) should go where and where they are filed.
  • standard8: Generate some gristmill example scripts, and encourage others to use gristmill and file bugs to help improve it. - still open
  • tb-drivers: Go through current MailNews/TB relnote bugs and work out what is really necessary. - low priority.
• Tomorrow will go through the beta1 action items as a group.

Thunderbird 3 Beta 1

• bienvenu is release driver
• gozer is build engineer
• Proposed String freeze date: 2008-11-13
• Code Freeze date: 2008-11-18

• davida will identify the must-absolutely-have items for beta 1 (part of the new action item planning what must happen by when)
  • Proposed intermediate target (to prevent everything either landing at the end or missing) for major items: Friday, October 31
    • Gloda
      • Gloda landed with the pref off. dmose asuth are going to discuss the strategies to turn the pref on for beta1.
      • dmose progressing reviews.
    • AutoConfig
      • Definitely land as an additional menu item, not yet replacing account wizard
      • depends on how much time bienvenu has as to if this will make it or not.
    • Kill-RDF
      • SeaMonkey note: need to land ASAP as it may cause problems
      • Currently going through reviews. May or may not make it by the date.
      • non-rdf js folder pane in review, should land this week.
    • Cross-folder views
      • landed last week.
    • dmose has a bunch of message view stuff to land
    • We may want to deal with the self-signed cert issue in general before dealing with auto config.
    • We want to have some visible changes to the folder pane before beta 1
    • asuth might do some folder-pane gloda magic.
    • dmose, bienvenu, Standard8 will work on password serialization
    • branching vesus cloning ?
• testday(s)
  • Triage is needed to make decision on the dates - preferably today
  • purpose: solidify functionality & stability for big features/changes
  • testday 1 - pre-freeze - Nov 14
  • testday 2 - post-freeze for big items landed last before testing b1 release candidates
    • pick date: Nov 20, 21(in place of bugday)?
    • Autoconfig?
    • Toolkit autocomplete
    • new password manager
    • ____ ?

• Blockers/Wanted
  • TB 3.0b1 - blocking: 71
  • TB 3.0b1 - wanted: 57
• Proposed Blocking
  • Proposed Blockers (b1): 6
  • Proposed Blockers (b? + milestone): 3
• Fixed:
  • TB 3.0b1 - blocking: 12
  • TB 3.0b1 - wanted: 13

Thunderbird 3

• Draft Thunderbird:Thunderbird3:DevRoadmap identifies major work items on the plate for Tb3 -- much of it needs scheduling, owning, breakdown.
  • DevRoadmap is updated. What left to do on Calendar is not clear.
  • Overall progress is very good.
  • folks interested in helping with front-end stuff, some simple, should ask in #maildev

QA Updates

• bug 464247 - w32 build symbols missing since 2008-10-30

Roundtable

Status Updates

davida

• native looking tabs work
• archive button work
• workweek driving
• board meeting, etc.

nth10sd

• More JS fun - bug 463783 Assertion failed: "need a way to EOT now, since this is trace end" with array comprehension
• Did up patches for:
  • bug 223943 - Unbitrot patch for "expand "mailnews.headers.showUserAgent" to include x-newsreader"
  • bug 461317 - Ctrl-Shift-K is a hotkey for two functions -- Options/Check Spelling and Format/Discontinue Link

bienvenu

• Reviews and Driving
• Discussions at MoMo MV work week
• More work on the js non-rdf folder pane
• Fixed several issues switching between view types in saved search folders bug 462581
• Fixed problems editing/forwarding inline of quoted printable and other encoded messages bug 307023
• Landed patch to switch Mac to auto-detect online status
• Investigated the cert exception problem w.r.t to auto config and mailnews in general bug 429843
• Started thinking about how to implement clarkbw's new folder pane designs

emre

• Mainly worked on bug 257942 UI and default component implementation.
  • Got great feedback from community about interface. Made changes accordingly.
  • XBL usage is changed, we don't depend on ctor and dtor anymore.
  • Nesting related navigation problems are mostly fixed.
  • Didn't do much about error handling.
  • Updated https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Emre/tb/activitymanagerInterface.

gozer

• Build
  • Graphs!
  • Bloat inconsistent failure on OS X still being tracked down

• Web
  • planet.mozillamessaging.com is live
    • Needs a facelift
  • www.spreadthunderbird.com is close to ready
  • buildbot waterfall is live

wsmwk

• triage: critical/crashers, spelling
• setup beta 1 testday
• bugday

beckley

• Dale and I will be in MV for Thursday and Friday to meet with MoMo folks

Penelope

• Lots of bug triage after the Eudora 8 beta 4/Penelope 0.5a1 release
• bug 410327 Provide ability to disable preview pane
• bug 463864 In/Out toolbar shortcuts do not work

Attendees

asuth beckley bienvenu clarkbw davida dmose emre gozer rebron standard8 wsmwk beckley kairo jcranmer