Calendar:QA Chat:2008-01-31:Log

[18:33] <mschroeder> Let's start the QA chat.
[18:34] <mschroeder> You can see our agenda here: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:QA_Chat:2008-01-31
[18:34] * ctalbert has an update on the Test Automation stuff...
[18:37] <ctalbert> I spoke with Mikeal.  We are going to start a community building effort around the test automation stuff - but make it a mozilla wide effort
[18:37] <ctalbert> I'll have a blog post later today after I have a wiki page describing this.
[18:38] <ctalbert> I'm not sure if the end result will be a "summit" so to speak just yet, I think we're going to start a bit smaller, and build from there.
[18:38] <ctalbert> that's my update
[18:40] <mschroeder> thanks, sounds great. it's better to see who's interested before planning a "summit".
[18:42] <ctalbert> exactly
[18:42] <ctalbert> see what kind of interest we can stir up before we go do something crazy
[18:42] <mschroeder> no news from my action items, still blocked by my exam preparation.
[18:43] <mschroeder> Thanks to Andread and Daniel for verifying fixed bugs. :)
[18:43] <mschroeder> s/Andread/Andreas
[18:44] <Andreas> Yes, today we started to bring down Daniels non verified bug count.
[18:46] <Andreas> Maybe the next one is Phillipp ;-) 
[18:47] <mschroeder> Next topic: next testday.
[18:48] <mschroeder> RC1 is planned for end of next week.
[18:49] <mschroeder> It's uncertain if this happens.
[18:49] <mschroeder> Hi Sebo
[18:49] <Sebo> Hi guys
[18:49] <mschroeder> So, what should we test?
[18:50] <ctalbert> I hope to land the iTIP update stuff over the weekend.  I can have Daniel review it as he'll be here. :-D
[18:50] <Archaeopteryx> lightning: task stuff, etc; sunbird: unifinder, calendars
[18:50] <mschroeder> I hope we'll have as many testers as last week. :)
[18:50] <ctalbert> I've seen some issues come through with the unifinder
[18:50] <ctalbert> in bug reports etc
[18:50] <ctalbert> so that might be a good target
[18:50] <mschroeder> okay, then is unfinder #1 target.
[18:52] <mschroeder> itip/imip could be #2
[18:53] <mschroeder> I'll prepare the test day announcement and post it to the various locations.
[18:54] <Andreas> And the Task mode Toolbar.
[18:55] <Andreas> I think Berend will finish this in the next days.
[18:55] <Sebo> or timezones?
[18:55] <mschroeder> Will Berend land it next week?
[18:55] <mschroeder> okay
[18:55] <Andreas> I think so.
[18:55] <mschroeder> Sebo: Timezone guessing or basic timezone handling, like foreign timezones, event dialog etc.?
[18:56] <Sebo> well, both actually
[18:57] <Sebo> Or we ask people to verify all the foreign timezone bugs
[18:58] <ctalbert> yeah foreign timezones would be important
[18:58] <mschroeder> I would like to test import of calendars with non-native timezones.
[18:59] <Sebo> I think ctalbert would be happy if those bugs could be verified :-)
[18:59] <Archaeopteryx> who has example files?
[18:59] <ctalbert> heh
[18:59] <Sebo> (me too)
[18:59] <ctalbert> i have some
[19:01] <mschroeder> Where do we want to put them?
[19:01] <ctalbert> I have some mozilla web space we could use for them
[19:01] <ctalbert> people.mozilla.org/~ctalbert
[19:02] <Sebo> or here: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:QA_ICSCollection
[19:02] <ctalbert> even better
[19:02] <mschroeder> we can link them there, but should offer them as sownload
[19:03] <mschroeder> s/sownload/download
[19:03] <Sebo> either way. I think  you could upload them to the wiki
[19:03] <mschroeder> mozilla.org sound better than mozilla.x-home.org... so maybe we should use ctalbert's webspace
[19:04] <mschroeder> I'm no friend of storing files in the wiki.
[19:04] <mschroeder> Opinions?
[19:05] <ctalbert> we link them through to my webspace, that's fine
[19:05] <ctalbert> there shouldn't be any problem with that.
[19:06] <ctalbert> but have the lnks there
[19:06] <ctalbert> on the wiki
[19:06] <mschroeder> okay. Who collects those files? Clint because he has to upload them?
[19:07] <mschroeder> ;)
[19:07] <ctalbert> yeah, email them to me
[19:08] <mschroeder> Next topic: Test plan for release
[19:08] <mschroeder> I'd like to have a specific test plan on the wiki to track QA work before the release, like Firefox QA does it.
[19:09] <mschroeder> kind of a checklist, so we don't forget things like migration/update testing on some platform etc.
[19:09] <ctalbert> +1
[19:09] <Sebo> good idea
[19:09] <Andreas> +1
[19:10] <mschroeder> I started a draft in the wiki (on the QA Chat page for today).
[19:11] <ctalbert> I don't see the link
[19:11] <mschroeder> Any suggestions? We'll have to refine the list and should add results after testing.
[19:11] <ctalbert> doh
[19:11] <ctalbert> it's right there
[19:11] <mschroeder> ctalbert: I haven't created a separate page yet.
[19:12] <Sebo> I wonder if we should just file blocking bugs for every list item you have
[19:13] <mschroeder> Sebo: I don't know if we should pollute bmo with those.
[19:13] <ctalbert> We also need just general functionality tests - might call out the specific features
[19:14] <ctalbert> events, recurring events, events in timezones, tasks, task view, unifinder, event/email/task conversion, today pane etc
[19:14] <mschroeder> I only added things we tend to forget or nobody likes to do. ;)
[19:15] <ctalbert> That's a good point.  I was thinking with a complete list, you could use it to drive the "What should we test" part of the test day page
[19:15] <mschroeder> ctalbert: I like the idea.
[19:17] <mschroeder> I'll create a separate wiki page, and add general functionality tests.
[19:17] <mschroeder> Andreas, Sebo, Archaeopteryx: Feel free to add your suggestions there.
[19:18] <Andreas> Okay.
[19:19] <Archaeopteryx> thanks. other thing: maybe the testday announcement should generally be published earlier as the evening before
[19:19] <mschroeder> If somebody works on a specific topic, you can also add your name, so we don't duplicate work (although redundancy is good).
[19:19] <mschroeder> Archaeopteryx: I know, that was an organizational problem last week. Sorry.
[19:20] <Archaeopteryx> no problem, only moving one day or so earlier
[19:20] <Archaeopteryx> so everyone has 24+ hours time to read it and consider to participate
[19:22] <mschroeder> I think, we can skip the remaining talking points. :)
[19:22] <mschroeder> Anything someone wants to bring up?
[19:24] <ctalbert> There is a good post on Thunderbird 3 planning
[19:24] <ctalbert> in mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird
[19:25] <Sebo> yeah, was there discussion about that in yesterdays call?
[19:25] <ctalbert> It'd be good to skim through.  davida has a wiki page where we can add thunderbird bugs for consideration to be included in tbird 3
[19:25] <mschroeder> Sebo: no.
[19:25] <ctalbert> Ah, I wasn't able to make the call yesterday
[19:26] * mschroeder read almost all posts. It's sounds promising, also for the Calendar project. :)
[19:26] <ctalbert> davida: do you have that wiki page link handy?  I'm trying to find your mention of it, but not succeeding...
[19:26] <mschroeder> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3_Possible_Bugs
[19:27] <mschroeder> and for RFE: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3_Possible_Enhancements
[19:29] <ctalbert> Ah, thanks mscroeder
[19:29] <ctalbert> +h
[19:29] <Sebo> I have mixed feelings about a tight integration
[19:30] <ctalbert> Why?
[19:30] <Sebo> Not everybody needs a calendar
[19:30] <Archaeopteryx> yes, and what would be the consequences for sunbird
[19:31] <Sebo> But it will speed up the development, I guess.
[19:31] <Archaeopteryx> i don't store passwirds in thunderbird's password manager, so i don't like to start tb very often and let sunbird and thunderbird run separately
[19:32] <ctalbert> I can understand that point, but as PIM applications go in general, you can't find any of them these days that don't have some kind of calendar integration built-in.
[19:32] <ctalbert> Even the old Outlook Express (now called Windows Mail) has it in Vista
[19:33] <Sebo> really? well, didn't know that
[19:33] <ctalbert> I think the paradigm is changing there.
[19:33] <ctalbert> It's not a question of whether or not people will use the calendar, it's more a question of what do people expect in their mail client
[19:33] <ctalbert> which is kind of marketing BS
[19:33] <Archaeopteryx> but for most people I know it would be bloat
[19:34] <ctalbert> I could see that.  
[19:34] <ctalbert> I don't see why they couldn't offer two thunderbird builds: one with Lightning + enigmail + <other useful extension here> and one plain.
[19:34] <ctalbert> that's a mailco decision
[19:35] <Archaeopteryx> yes, the bug i filed was closed as invalid
[19:35] <Archaeopteryx> + for this
[19:35] <davida> Archaeopteryx: i saw the bug, no worries.
[19:35] <Sebo> ctalbert: yes, I was also thinking about that
[19:35] <mschroeder> Okay, that's the end of the QA chat. Thanks for participating. :)