Calendar:Status Meetings:2008-09-17
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Meeting Details
- Wednesday, September 17th, 18:00 CET
- Phone meeting
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Agenda Items
- Tracking 0.9
- l10n Status
- Ause plans to prepare RC2 tomorrow
- hg move
- KaiRo offers to do the initial work(!)
- Thunderbird/Calendar integration
Meeting Log
- Participants: KaiRo, mschroeder, Fallen, sipaq, dmose, davida, ause, dbo
[18:19] <dbo> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:Status [18:19] -->| KaiRo (robert@moz-F2134722.gumpendorf.xdsl-line.inode.at) has joined #calendar-meeting [18:20] -->| ause (ause@moz-E1A36F89.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #calendar-meeting [18:20] <ause> since it's irc today... [18:20] <sipaq> ok, agenda is here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:Status [18:23] <dbo> Ok, we start with 0.9 status [18:24] <dbo> bug 455132 is in the works, seems to be the last one left [18:24] <dbo> bruno will verify bug 455182 later this day [18:25] <dbo> the rest are release bugs [18:25] <dbo> sipaq: any comments on l10n? [18:25] <sipaq> Yes [18:25] <sipaq> doing the release tomorrow is impossible [18:26] <sipaq> a few l10ers have communicated to me that they will need time until Thursday to do their stuff [18:26] <dbo> who? [18:26] -->| dmose (dmose@moz-5BD04EDD.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #calendar-meeting [18:26] <sipaq> Swedish and Hungarian team [18:26] <dbo> what locales are affected? [18:26] <sipaq> sv-SE and hu [18:27] <dbo> so he hasn't checked in his fixes yet? [18:27] <dbo> that guys form the ml? [18:28] <sipaq> that was the Swedish guy [18:28] <sipaq> he is busy at work (current project with 16 hour sessions) [18:29] <sipaq> I don't wanna lose these guys and one day won't kill us [18:29] <Fallen> we were aiming for rc2 this week, if we need to wait until thursday, then it won't be there until monday [18:29] <dbo> what needs to be done really? does anybody know? [18:30] <dbo> I mean the boxen seem green, so are we talking about minor glitches only? [18:30] <sipaq> we are talking about translation fixes, no idea how bad those are [18:30] <sipaq> don't read too much into the tinderbox status [18:30] <dbo> and hu ? [18:30] <sipaq> it is only about quantity not quality [18:31] <sipaq> both hu and sv-SE are translation fixes [18:32] <dbo> this essentially kills RC2 for this week, because ause will have the builds friday afternoon :( [18:32] <sipaq> I know, but the tradeoff is pissing off two long-time localizers [18:32] <sipaq> bad alternative, if you ask me [18:33] <dbo> any chance they get there fixes in today? [18:33] <Fallen> I see your reasoning, but its not like string freeze is since yesterday... [18:33] <sipaq> I can ask, but I wouldn't bet on it [18:33] <dbo> exactly [18:34] <sipaq> Fallen: sure, but with the RC1 still being the first public build that localizers are seeing with all the Lightning localized strings, the string freeze date is essentially then [18:34] <dbo> the tinderboxen have been switched for about 2 weeks AFAIR [18:35] <sipaq> guys, these are localizers, not developers [18:35] <sipaq> these guys don't know these things [18:36] <sipaq> they only know when they read that the RC1 is out [18:36] <sipaq> you can't expect them to know all this development-related stuff [18:36] <sipaq> that's not their turf [18:36] <sipaq> right KaiRo? [18:37] <KaiRo> they only know what you tell them on the L10n list/group [18:38] <sipaq> exactly [18:38] -->| davida (dascher@moz-C50833B2.mountainview.mozilla.com) has joined #calendar-meeting [18:38] <davida> i'm here [18:39] <KaiRo> and many people only _start_ localizing once they are told that this is a string-stable base to base work on [18:40] <dbo> ause: what would be the latest point in time for you until the weekend? [18:41] <dbo> you need the thursday builds, right? [18:41] <dbo> when does l10n start to check out? [18:41] <ause> with regular nightlies, i'd need the thursday builds [18:42] <sipaq> if the tinderbox builds build time is the deciding factor, then this should be adjusted [18:42] <ause> sipaq: it's the dependency of those builds [18:42] <sipaq> we could tweak to push out builds at 10am or 1pm instead of 8am as it is now [18:43] <sipaq> ause: ok, when is the point of no return? [18:44] <sipaq> ause: ??? [18:45] <ause> sipaq: for l10n changes only (no code) around thurdsday 8pm german time with regular nightlies - from memory [18:46] <ause> 8am - sorry [18:46] <sipaq> ause: and this is not in any way adjustable, so that we could get some more hours? [18:47] <ause> sipaq: sure it is. but you still have to run the whole cycle en-US->l10n for all platforms before fetching the builds [18:48] <ause> sipaq: manual work (which might fail) for guessed 3 hours [18:49] <sipaq> ok, so 8am it is [18:49] <sipaq> and I have to tell localizers :( [18:49] <sipaq> you guys owe me for this... [18:50] <sipaq> ok, got to leave, have another meeting in like five minutes [18:50] <sipaq> I'll send out a mail later tonight to the affected localizers [18:50] <sipaq> cya [18:50] <--| sipaq has left #calendar-meeting [18:51] <KaiRo> this multi-locale package thing has its tradeoffs [18:53] * dbo really wonders what's still buggy in sv-SE, because we have builds for about a week now [18:53] * Fallen prepares whiskey [18:53] <dbo> :) [18:54] <KaiRo> whiskey is the release people's choice of surviving a release day, I guess ;-) [18:54] <dbo> really - this is a tradeoff, but we've made clear that guy should fix the glitches ASAP. [18:54] <dbo> and he shouldn't wait for thursday night before checking in [18:54] * KaiRo wonders if whiskey's string enough for what he'll likely need to go through for a first hg-based release [18:55] <KaiRo> s/string/strong/ [18:55] <ause> developers do rcs when they're done - localizers start working on rcs ;) [18:55] <dbo> ok, good transition to the hg move [18:55] <dbo> KaiRo: any status on that? [18:57] <KaiRo> dbo: well, once I have an official "go" from you calendar people on a specific point in cvs trunk, I can do the import [18:57] <davida> then we go wild [18:58] <KaiRo> which means I'll tag that point on CVS, and add it in hg - it's up to you (or probably Standard8) to apply the build system fixes on top of that [18:58] <dbo> I'd say you use CVS trunk tomorrow. [18:58] <dbo> We will keep track of getting further fixes onto hg. [18:58] <KaiRo> you just need to care to get any fixes that happen after that point checked in to hg as well [18:59] <dbo> I'll do that once we've released: get a diff against your tag, then prepare a changeset. [18:59] <KaiRo> tomorr, about what time? [18:59] <dbo> It doesn't matter really. [18:59] <KaiRo> +ow [19:00] <KaiRo> ok, I'll probably go with CVS HEAD tomorrow afternoon then [19:00] <dbo> as long as you tag after taking the snapshot :) [19:00] <KaiRo> (CEST) [19:00] <dbo> no, vice versa. [19:01] <KaiRo> I'll actually go the other way round, tag first, then import exactly that state [19:01] <dbo> ok [19:01] <KaiRo> and I'll also care to get client.py updated to not cull calendar from cvs any more [19:01] <KaiRo> pull, that is [19:02] * KaiRo guesses it's too clod in here for correct writing [19:02] <davida> culling calendar from cvs is grammatical too =) [19:03] <KaiRo> heh, probably :) [19:03] <ause> ause-ok :) [19:04] <KaiRo> there might be some fires around though due to pre-existing files from cvs being in the way of a hg update, but that should be easy to slove with me and gozer being alert to it [19:05] <KaiRo> I'll warn gozer about this :) [19:06] <KaiRo> and then, I'm looking forward to having you on board with comm-central! [19:06] <Fallen> Personally, I'd be fine with you going ahead right now, but thats up to daniel :-) [19:07] * dbo still hopes the last fix goes in this evening, so there's no further need [19:07] <dbo> KaiRo: thank you for doing the work! [19:08] <dbo> the last agenda item: calendar integration [19:09] <dbo> AFAIK Christian has talked to Bryan this evening, but I don't know how far the discussion is. [19:10] <dbo> anything else to add? [19:11] <dbo> more topics? [19:12] <dbo> ok, I think we're done then. [19:12] <dbo> good evening, have a nice day, everbody [19:12] <davida> actually, one thing [19:12] <davida> if i can =) [19:12] <dbo> go on [19:13] <davida> I'd like to encourage people to hang out and discuss in #calendar as much as possible. I think it'll make it [19:13] * KaiRo filed bug 455727 for the actual import of calendar/ into comm-central [19:13] <davida> easier for the maildev people to find people to talk to about calendar integration stuff. [19:13] <davida> There are some people who are often there (Fallen, looking at you), but I think more is better. [19:13] <davida> that's all. just trying to build bridges. [19:14] <dbo> yes, should be improved, my presence is varying, I know :) [19:15] <KaiRo> davida: did you mean calendar people hanging out in #maildev or maildev people hanging out in #calendar? [19:16] <davida> I actually just meant hanging out in irc. [19:16] <davida> calendar convrrsations belongin #calendar, mail conversations in #maildev, and integration issues, wherever =) [19:16] =-= ause is now known as ause_away [19:16] <KaiRo> right