Details

• Time: Friday, 2011 December 2, 9:05 - 9:50am PT (17:05 - 17:50 UTC)
• Location:
  • Audio/Video: Jetpack Vidyo room
  • Audio Only:
    • US: +1-800-707-2533, password 369, conference number 99449
    • US/Intl: +1-650-903-0800 or +1-650-215-1282, extension 92, conference number 99449

Agenda

• review actions from previous meeting
  • myk to talk to joduinn about who can tackle performance test automation issues
  • dascher to talk to bwalker about point person for Apps
  • dietrich to ask about schedule determiner for Apps at Apps brownbag today
    • timeline from apps brownbag: http://cl.ly/030s3t3h2C3T452J0I3s
• schedule and deadlines for Apps/Identity/Sharing features
• whether or not to continue these meetings given low participation to date
• HTML page localization
• performance impact measurements
• talking to releng people about getting part of a person's time dedicated to perf measurements
• WebRT: native app installation
• easier content injection class
• putting Jetpack into the product

Attendees

• dascher
• dietrich
• mixedpuppy
• myk
• pike

Minutes

review actions from previous meeting

myk to talk to joduinn about who can tackle performance test automation issues

• myk talked to joduinn, who said he would follow up with dietrich/dascher, but they never heard from him
• -> myk to talk to joduinn again and get him to designate someone to dedicate time to addressing perf test issues

dascher to talk to bwalker about point person for Apps

• dascher didn't get a chance to do this
• it isn't clear how important Jetpack Features are to the Apps team
• -> dascher to talk to bwalker about the priority of Jetpack Features to Apps (and, if this initiative is important, who is the point person)

• point people for the other features
  • Sharing: mixedpuppy
  • Identity: benadida for now, even though he isn't an ideal point person (because very busy)
• -> myk to invite benadida to next Jetpack Features meeting via Zimbra and email

dietrich to ask about schedule determiner for Apps at Apps brownbag today

• dietrich took this screenshot of schedule
• dietrich talked to asa and clee, who want the Apps feature to land in Firefox in Q1

schedule and deadlines for Apps/Identity/Sharing features

• Apps: land in Q1
• many pieces that haven't been detailed or specified properly yet; discussions are just beginning
• WebAPI/B2G teams seem to have made more progress
• Firefox wants to be the best place to experience apps (f.e. via home tab integration)
• unclear whether planned Firefox feature set needs/wants Jetpack
• dascher emailed bwalker to ask them what they need

HTML page localization

• myk proposes using custom protocol handler with simple template processor to replace string references with localized strings at load time
• dascher worried about JS libraries like jQuery, jQuery UI, Prototype, G3, Protoviz tripping over non-standard (http, https, file) protocol
• pike worried about protocol-sensitive security features like same-origin policies
• -> myk to ask jrburke for his insights into issues with HTML page l10n proposal
• -> myk to prototype HTML page l10n proposal to further investigate concerns

• pike proposes implementation be forward-compatible with l20n while using .properties files for now
• security team has concerns about stream-based replacement that l20n is carefully designed to address via DOM-centric replacement
• but l20n requires parse-time processing, which is hard to do in the short-term
• myk will consider l20n forward compatibility, security implications when prototyping HTML page l10n proposal

• multiple folks are concerned about YAML being part of the long-term l10n solution for Jetpack
• YAML might be good for authoring, even if it isn't the machine-readable format for storage/distribution
• YAML is not popular in the l10n community
• YAML has some advantages over JSON, but it also has some of the same issues as JSON
• there is a YAML parser in the platform
• myk and pike will continue talking to ochameau about their concerns

performance impact measurements

• we're still blocked on help from RelEng team
• jorgev did some testing on a Hello, World! and a more complex SDK-based addon
• he found that startup performance hit was minimal, gave "excellent" (highest) rating
• recent changes might have made SDK even more performant
• not clear how jorgev's results relate to talos results
• other kinds of perf, like page load, also matter

WebRT: native app installation

• WebRT is an offshoot of Apps, for doing native installs of apps
• OpenWebApps addon includes functionality to create desktop app from webapp
• uses Firefox as XULRunner engine

• WebRT faces a variety of technical issues
• Jetpack could make WebRT implementation much easier
• but WebRT would need some changes on the SDK side of things
• we should raise this in a different forum
• -> mixedpuppy to send technical overview of WebRT project to myk and gozala

easier content injection class

• mixedpuppy's Jetpack projects have a lot of replicated code to do content injection
• that makes them a candidate to move into the core library of the SDK
• so the code doesn't get out of sync and buggy
• -> mixedpuppy to send proposal for landing content injection code in core SDK

putting Jetpack into the product

• dcm, dietrich, gavin, mossop, & myk met recently about landing Jetpack code in core Firefox
• meeting minutes

whether or not to continue these meetings given low participation to date

• myk thought this topic was urgent, but we haven't had participation of point people for Identity and Apps
• if it isn't urgent, then we probably don't need to have these meetings, unless perhaps to prepare for impending urgency

• timeline and implementation strategy for Sharing is uncertain
• and Apps team has been busy on developer preview
• and we're missing participation of a Firefox PM
• but mixedpuppy has lately become something of a proxy for Identity and Apps
• and benadida says Identity is urgent, wants to use Jetpack, and is targeted to Firefox 12

• challenge is that we're trying to do plumbing to help with implementation of features that are not currently P1
• we think of this as a way to accelerate feature creation, and thus it is strategic for Firefox
• but we need to make sure that the people who set the longer term roadmap understand why we're doing this and confirm (or reject) its value
• -> dietrich to email/talk to clee about attending these meetings
• -> myk to re-raise question of whether or not to continue these meetings at their next occurrence

Actions

• myk to talk to joduinn again and get him to designate someone to dedicate time to addressing perf test issues
• dascher to talk to bwalker about the priority of Jetpack Features to Apps (and, if this initiative is important, who is the point person)
• myk to invite benadida to next Jetpack Features meeting via Zimbra and email
• myk to ask jrburke for his insights into issues with HTML page l10n proposal
• myk to prototype HTML page l10n proposal to further investigate concerns
• mixedpuppy to send technical overview of WebRT project to myk and gozala
• mixedpuppy to send proposal for landing content injection code in core SDK
• dietrich to email/talk to clee about attending these meetings
• myk to re-raise question of whether or not to continue these meetings at their next occurrence