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== Action Items and notes from the meeting ==
== Action Items and notes from the meeting ==
* Please '''bold''' action items.  
* Please '''bold''' action items.
* good feedback from those attended both the Profiler and Mozmill training:
** wish it were longer (some)
** others wished it were more hands-on
** install your own, write your own test, have a prepared (bad) test to debug
** immediacy (not useful for everyone right now. useful in 3 months)
** call out the pre-reqs a bit better  (vpn access for mozmill-ci, etc)
* other feedback about types of requested training:
** (desired) high-level overview of our testing frameworks + their uses (MDN lists some)
** Advanced/useful Bugzilla querying
** perhaps a refresher on Moztrap?
** how to make the best use out of Air Mozilla, across QA
** intro to debugging, using wireshark, etc
Tiles load testing:
* takeaway from anything that depends on Services/Websites:
** ask questions/coordinate/double-check that a feature in Firefox/elsewhere doesn't depend on a service/website, or -- if it does -- that it's covered with backend/integration testing, or called out as a risk
* find out how we can tell if a particular machine/graphics card is in the slow path (<--- liz, help! did I capture this right?) I am not sure what people we're talking about here. - liz
* Firefox releases:
** have a little less than 1 1/2 weeks to get ready for the 33.1 release deadline
** please use the Alder branch as your primary test build for the forseeable future
** please sign up for the Firefox 10-year anniversary mailing list for testing challenges
** should see localized tiles for your particular locale
*Ways we can help catch graphics/other issues in the future:
** see if you can help come up with ideas to try to catch graphics-card issues in the wild
*** feel free/encouraged to email qa@mozilla.org / post to mozilla.dev.quality (goes to the same place, so no need to post twice)
** push the bug filed last year, filed to audit blacklisting (aaron)
** downgrading video drivers. how to. we need documentation.... (kevin)
** support after crash?  (or in FHR)
* perhaps we should get graphics-driver information into about:support  (kairo)  +1!!!
* advocate for ability for end user to turn off risky feature (via pref) in the future?
* not enough data, typically, to back up our risk-assessed push-back decisions, from betas
** then we get burned in release
** what kind of mechanisms can we get in place, to help validate our push-back and quality assessments, going forward?
** lots of data point to a combination of integrated chipset with an additional video card -- most-evidenced in laptops
** we're examining the most-common/most-problematic configurations (at least from SUMO/Socorro)
** we should look into what Telemetry data can provide us, as well
** '''Request from Juan''':
* get your Firefox feature tests, per area (in whatever form they exist), over to Juan, so he can build out the E10S test-suite
* We will take notes on [https://etherpad.mozilla.org/qa-team-meeting-notes this etherpad]
* We will take notes on [https://etherpad.mozilla.org/qa-team-meeting-notes this etherpad]


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