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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''
* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=10&year=2017&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 29 October, 2017, '''15:00''' UTC]
** ('''11am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, '''11pm''' Hong Kong)
** ''European Summer Time has ended, hence one hour later in UTC time!''
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):
== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''
=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.
'''NEW'''
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'''OPEN'''
* '''frg''' suggests aligning the source with Fx after 2.56ESR. This means taking most parts of browser and put the old ui and mail integration on top. Reason is that porting bugs gets harder very day and web extensions plus e10s supports needs to be added in the near future.
** '''IanN''' thinks it might be a too huge task. The last time this was done more devs were available.
* SUSE might port security bugs to 2.49 after formal support ends. We might be able to extend support for the 2.49 ESR line if true.
* Probably a few things need to be fixed in the coming weeks to get SeaMonkey 2.54 working nicely. Mozilla is currently removing older apis left, right and in the middle.
* nsIDOM IDL removals hurt.
** several nsIDOM removal bugs are in the process of being fixed
* Google API key needs a quota update and might have issues with Safe Browsing V4
** '''frg''' will ask '''mcsmurf''' to contact the mozilla developer to gain access to the V4 lists.
* Upcoming l10n changes to the build system which need to be monitored.
** Mozilla plans to check in l20n soon. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the current l10n build configs.
** {{bug|1107635}} - Rewrite build system l10n repack rules from Makefile rules into a Python script might also affect a timely l10n repacks but there has been no movement in it for some time.
** {{bug|1372167}} - Unify l10n.ini and filter.py into a single (python-independent) format for comm-central apps has now been checked in. There are still parts missing in toolkit but this might change the l10n build system again. This needs to be fixed before a possible ESR 59 (2.56) release.
** {{bug|1382632}} - [c-c] Make installers-% "just work", hard-code build internals or provide sane defaults.
*** ''' frg''' tries to fix this in {{bug|1405407}}
* New council members frg, rsx11m and ewong were already appointed a few weeks ago. '''IanN''' will look into a website update now that the project areas were updated.
* TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today.
* Discussions and planning about the future of SeaMonkey and if we should set up own builders are still going on.
** For the previous discussions see the last status meettings.
** '''ewong''' is evaluating the cost and specs for an aws based build system.
** Cross compiling macOS builds is now possible for Firefox under Linux. If this can be made to work for SeaMonkey we won't need OSX builders.
*** For a possible new infrastructure OSX builders would only be needed for tests. This can be added at a later stage.
** We need a jumphost, a buildmaster, a Windows and a Linux slave.
*** A Puppet system for setup and configuration is under evaluation.
*** Costs and if we should do an initial 1 yor 3 year setup are still evaluated.
*** Funding is available.
** We need to start with a static setup and expand as necessary.
** The current infrastructure will be decommissioned in less than a year and is already failing.
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'''CLOSED'''
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===
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* Various Bugs open for building.
** We have only one OSX64 builder left. '''ewong''' filed {{bug|1379881}} to get the second one back.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building is done on the loaner.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule.
*** CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
*** DOMi still needs to be sorted.
*** Lightning l10n upload still needs to be sorted.
*** {{bug|1372167}} might help with the l10n issues.
* [15th October 2017]
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.
*** All tests are red.
** All trees:
*** Problems with Mercurial {{bug|1368956}} make check orange w/ hg unknown command "files".
*** Tree status are not quite updated. Will update asap.
** [comm-central]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted* Due to mercurial issues. Tracked in {{bug|1362848}}.
*** Win32: green
*** See {{bug|1394144}} for current breakages.
*** Do not expect to use the 2.55 release yet other than for brief testing.
** [comm-beta]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted*
*** Win32:green
*** See {{bug|1394144}} for current breakages.
*** Do not expect to use the 2.54 release yet other than for brief testing.
** [comm-release]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted*
*** Win32: green
*** See {{bug|1379370}} for current breakages.
** [comm-esr52]:
*** No automation. [Filed {{bug|1352820}}]
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.
* Notes:
** '''IanN''' would like to check in OSX cross compile config changes. Apple has open sourced the SDK. Legally it should be ok to use it.
** For reference only: Building with gtk2 has been disabled and can no longer be done starting with Gecko 53 / SeaMonkey 2.50 {{bug|1278282}}.
** '''Ewong''' did set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are only done on the loaner. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008 R2] will likely never happen.
*** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.
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=== Release Train ===
* SeaMonkey 2.48 was released on 31, July 2017.
** Updates from older SeaMonkey versions to 2.48 will not always work. This has been announced on the project page.
** SeaMonkey 2.48 has problems with OS X 10.12 It might crash during startup or when accessing mail or news. {{Bug|1389181}} is open for this. A local 2.49.1 test build fixes it. We will not do a 2.48.1 release and try to get out 2.49.1 fast.
* 2.48 is the last gtk2 build. gtk3 will be enabled for 2.49.1.
** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).
** A regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up ({{bug|1367257}})
* The next release will be 2.49.1 build from the ESR branch. It is tracked in {{Bug|1346939}}.
** '''[https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-esr52/graph/SEAMONKEY_2_49_1_BUILD3 SEAMONKEY_2_49_1_BUILD3] is tagged and build3 proceeded on all platforms.'''
** SeaMonkey 2.49.1 will be build with ALSA support. This has been disabled in Firefox 52 and causes problems for Linux users (see discussion in {{bug|1345661}}).
** Release notes in {{Bug|1385792}}.
** All source code changes have been checked in.
*** [https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-esr52/shortlog/SEAMONKEY_2_49_ESR_RELBRANCH SEAMONKEY_2_49_ESR_RELBRANCH] has been created in comm-esr52.
*** [https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-esr52/shortlog/THUNDERBIRD_52_VERBRANCH THUNDERBIRD_52_VERBRANCH ] will be used for SeaMonkey 2.49.1 and just needs to be tagged.
** 2.49.1 candidate build 3 is at 52.4ESR level.
** 2.49.1 needs a build 4 because of a wrong update channel.
** 2.49.1 should work with macOS 10.13 High Sierra. Brief tests indicate no serious problems.
** Updates for 2.48 are not working. For 2.49.1 updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL
** Various mozilla bugs were uplifted in the mozilla-esr52 THUNDERBIRD_52_VERBRANCH release branch together with Thunderbird.
** 2.49.1 will use Rust parts for the first time. MOZ_RUST_MP4PARSE=1 and MOZ_RUST_URLPARSE=1 had been set for this.
** l10n problems from 2.46 are still not solved. Extensions again can not be shipped bundled with this release. A removal patch has been checked into the 2.49.1 ESR release branch. DOMi and cZ tags have nevertheless been updated for a future release.
** Missing dropmarker in ({{bug|1331208}}) might affect 2.49.1.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla and is working on the DOMi repack issues.
*** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).
* If it can be made stable a 2.53 Beta might be done later. At least Download Manager and the bookmarks panel still need some fixes for this to happen.
** comm-release (2.53) Fx 56 should be kept current for testing as long as possible because addons still fully work in this release.
** When 56 becomes EOL we will decide if we do a branch for further testing and bug fixing.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* Windows x64 releases
** Unofficial (contributed build) Win64 builds work.
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.
* Releases will be done off comm-esr52 and then comm-esr59.
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** '''Merge was completed September 22nd'''; including comm-central → comm-beta
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* Most extensions are now broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+ because of Mozilla api removals.
** ChatZilla and DOMi are also broken.
** The addon-SDK has been removed.
* Evaluation if some extension functionality should be incorporated will need to be done later.
** Candidates among others are ChatZilla, Lightning, SeaTab X2 and Version Number.
* The SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the AMO people to discuss this.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the Thunderbird people to discuss this.
** Progress is slow to non-existent because '''Ratty''' is currently absent.
** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.
** The add-on sdk will be removed from mozilla code for Firefox 58. Other parts will follow.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] adds HTML validation to SeaMonkey. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it worked with them last year. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2.49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and were fixed.
* There is a new build variable: MOZ_ALLOW_LEGACY_EXTENSIONS=1. It is currently set to true (1) and has also been put into SeaMonkeys confvar.sh to play it safe.
** With this build variable set, most legacy extensions (or at least most of those which work in 2.49, see above) work even in 2.54a1 notwithstanding its being built on Toolkit 57.0a1 '''but''' if you use the "Add-ons Manager - Version Number" extension on SeaMonkey 2.54a1, you need [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/amversionnumber/versions/1.5beta1 its latest development version], i.e. version 1.5beta1, published during the night from 5 to 6 August (just before the meeting): earlier versions wreak havoc with the add-ons manager display (but of course not in Safe Mode).
* '''IanN'' would like to know which extensions use toolkit\obsolete and SMILE. '''Callek_cloud9''' has no access to the internal mozilla repository to check.
* Many "deprecated" symbols, which were kept for extension compatibility, were removed from Toolkit 57.0a1 on August 7, and a few more shortly thereafter, causing a lot of extensions to malfunction or to stop working.
** ChatZilla was fixed by frg in {{bug|1389449}}.
** Nightly Tester Tools will not be fixed ([https://github.com/mozilla/nightlytt/issues/243 by policy of its maintainers]), it is to be converted to a WebExtension instead, but that will take time, see "Rewrite NTT as WebExtension" ([https://github.com/mozilla/nightlytt/issues/235 issue], [https://github.com/mozilla/nightlytt/pull/245 pull request]) on NTT's github site. An unofficial XPI supporting SeaMonkey and Gecko versions and changesets has been uploaded [http://users.skynet.be/antoine.mechelynck/other/nightlytt-3.8-201708191650.xpi here].
** Of course, no fix is to be expected in extensions no longer actively maintained.
++ Adblock Plus and uBlock are both broken in SeaMonkey 2.54
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k. ADI is about 116,000 on 2.48; about 597,000 on 2.46. Unclear how this translates into installations but around 70.000 users are on the release channel.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''
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** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.-->
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* Old add-on signing methods has been removed. SeaMonkey and Thunderbird still use them per thread "removing "the old way" of signing add-ons" in mozilla.dev.platform. Apparently dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/so…sions/content/xpinstallConfirm.xul contain the references to them.
* Bug fixes for future 2.49 versions will be approved on a case by case base.
==== 2.48 current release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (4)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (29)
==== 2.49.1 planned next release ====
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.49 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey249&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey248&v2=2.49 fixed] (49)
==== 2.Next ====
* OSX builds can be done with the 10.11 SDK in the future. The SDK is provided in {{Bug|1324892}} via tooltool.
** OSX compiles are currently broken in c-c. {{bug|1400533}} tracks it. The 10.11 SDK is now needed any may not be available for the TB and SM builders
** '''frg''' did build 2.49.1 from comm-esr52 and 2.54 from comm-central sucessfully using IanNs instructions in {{bug|1379062}}. We might need to make this work fast with the current Linux builders to still be able to compile Nightly.
** It is not sure if the cross-compile can create universal OSX 2.49.1 builds needed for plugin suppprt but this will only become urgent if the last Mac Mini dies.
** Building with the 10.11 SDK currently causes problems in Firefox and macOS 10.13. This is tracked in {{bug|1391790}}.
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want sysnc 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads. Its going away in
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Needs further work'''.
** {{Bug|1378089}} Figure out what to do with bookmarks transactions. Probably needs a lot of work after SeaMonkey 2.53.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug.
* Nightly and Aurora updates are broken. {{bug|1321131}} might be the cause. Aurora users need to be migrated to another channel if possible.
* The l10n cummunity server hosting Adrians builds is still down and the builds missing.
=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 17 new, 12 fixed, 0 triaged.
* zero triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929>=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 30 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now but will likely come with Firefox 57. Unclear if at first it can be pref controlled.
* Rainer does a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website was updated but it still needs work.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1384172}} Expose intl.regional_prefs.use_os_locales in the UI in SeaMonkey is new. Either the language prefs need to be enhanced and moved out of the brower or the new pref should be put somewhere else. No final decision yet. '''rsx11m''' will look into it.
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
==== IanN ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Still planning to look into:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** Move related items to a new Appearance → Media prefpane
* {{Bug|1384172}} Expose intl.regional_prefs.use_os_locales in the UI in SeaMonkey
** Should be considered along with {{Bug|493217}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====
=== Any other business? ===
* The next meeting will be held in two weeks: Sunday October 29th, 2017, '''15:00''' UTC
** '''European Summer Time ends''', thus the meeting is one hour later @UTC.
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''
* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=10&year=2017&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 29 October, 2017, '''15:00''' UTC]
** ('''11am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, '''11pm''' Hong Kong)
** ''European Summer Time has ended, hence one hour later in UTC time!''
* Location: [irc://irc.mozilla.org/seamonkey #seamonkey IRC channel]
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):
== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''
=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.
'''NEW'''
* —
'''OPEN'''
* '''frg''' suggests aligning the source with Fx after 2.56ESR. This means taking most parts of browser and put the old ui and mail integration on top. Reason is that porting bugs gets harder very day and web extensions plus e10s supports needs to be added in the near future.
** '''IanN''' thinks it might be a too huge task. The last time this was done more devs were available.
* SUSE might port security bugs to 2.49 after formal support ends. We might be able to extend support for the 2.49 ESR line if true.
* Probably a few things need to be fixed in the coming weeks to get SeaMonkey 2.54 working nicely. Mozilla is currently removing older apis left, right and in the middle.
* nsIDOM IDL removals hurt.
** several nsIDOM removal bugs are in the process of being fixed
* Google API key needs a quota update and might have issues with Safe Browsing V4
** '''frg''' will ask '''mcsmurf''' to contact the mozilla developer to gain access to the V4 lists.
* Upcoming l10n changes to the build system which need to be monitored.
** Mozilla plans to check in l20n soon. Unclear what this means for comm-central and the current l10n build configs.
** {{bug|1107635}} - Rewrite build system l10n repack rules from Makefile rules into a Python script might also affect a timely l10n repacks but there has been no movement in it for some time.
** {{bug|1372167}} - Unify l10n.ini and filter.py into a single (python-independent) format for comm-central apps has now been checked in. There are still parts missing in toolkit but this might change the l10n build system again. This needs to be fixed before a possible ESR 59 (2.56) release.
** {{bug|1382632}} - [c-c] Make installers-% "just work", hard-code build internals or provide sane defaults.
*** ''' frg''' tries to fix this in {{bug|1405407}}
* New council members frg, rsx11m and ewong were already appointed a few weeks ago. '''IanN''' will look into a website update now that the project areas were updated.
* TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today.
* Discussions and planning about the future of SeaMonkey and if we should set up own builders are still going on.
** For the previous discussions see the last status meettings.
** '''ewong''' is evaluating the cost and specs for an aws based build system.
** Cross compiling macOS builds is now possible for Firefox under Linux. If this can be made to work for SeaMonkey we won't need OSX builders.
*** For a possible new infrastructure OSX builders would only be needed for tests. This can be added at a later stage.
** We need a jumphost, a buildmaster, a Windows and a Linux slave.
*** A Puppet system for setup and configuration is under evaluation.
*** Costs and if we should do an initial 1 yor 3 year setup are still evaluated.
*** Funding is available.
** We need to start with a static setup and expand as necessary.
** The current infrastructure will be decommissioned in less than a year and is already failing.
* —
'''CLOSED'''
* —
=== Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree ===
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* Various Bugs open for building.
** We have only one OSX64 builder left. '''ewong''' filed {{bug|1379881}} to get the second one back.
** OSX64: busted due to {{bug|1260362}}. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed. (Ratty: Depends on {{Bug|1257904}}. How to get traction on this?)
*** Perma-busted-red: {{bug|958812}}
** Linux64 Nightly: {{bug|1275215}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Linux64 build: {{bug|1275218}} is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
** Windows building is done on the loaner.
** Various l10n and other bugs {{bug|1293943}} which might also impact the release schedule.
*** CZ langpacks seem to be disabled by default, so that needs to be sorted.
*** DOMi still needs to be sorted.
*** Lightning l10n upload still needs to be sorted.
*** {{bug|1372167}} might help with the l10n issues.
* [15th October 2017]
** Tests have been re-enabled to enable us to find out what's busting them. {{bug|1295826}} tracks the fixes for the Testing Infrastructure.
*** All tests are red.
** All trees:
*** Problems with Mercurial {{bug|1368956}} make check orange w/ hg unknown command "files".
*** Tree status are not quite updated. Will update asap.
** [comm-central]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted* Due to mercurial issues. Tracked in {{bug|1362848}}.
*** Win32: green
*** See {{bug|1394144}} for current breakages.
*** Do not expect to use the 2.55 release yet other than for brief testing.
** [comm-beta]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted*
*** Win32:green
*** See {{bug|1394144}} for current breakages.
*** Do not expect to use the 2.54 release yet other than for brief testing.
** [comm-release]:
*** Linux*: Orange {{bug|1368956}}
*** OSX64: *busted*
*** Win32: green
*** See {{bug|1379370}} for current breakages.
** [comm-esr52]:
*** No automation. [Filed {{bug|1352820}}]
*** See {{bug|1313304}} for current breakages.
* Notes:
** '''IanN''' would like to check in OSX cross compile config changes. Apple has open sourced the SDK. Legally it should be ok to use it.
** For reference only: Building with gtk2 has been disabled and can no longer be done starting with Gecko 53 / SeaMonkey 2.50 {{bug|1278282}}.
** '''Ewong''' did set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with '''Callek''' first about this.
** Windows nightly trunk builds are only done on the loaner. Migrating our [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1114876 Windows builders to Win2008 R2] will likely never happen.
*** '''Callek:''' Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
** Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
** wrt {{bug|1155011}}, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on {{bug|1155013}} require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/RelEng|RelEng]] page for the RelEng status history.
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=== Release Train ===
* SeaMonkey 2.48 was released on 31, July 2017.
** Updates from older SeaMonkey versions to 2.48 will not always work. This has been announced on the project page.
** SeaMonkey 2.48 has problems with OS X 10.12 It might crash during startup or when accessing mail or news. {{Bug|1389181}} is open for this. A local 2.49.1 test build fixes it. We will not do a 2.48.1 release and try to get out 2.49.1 fast.
* 2.48 is the last gtk2 build. gtk3 will be enabled for 2.49.1.
** There are at least three problems with gtk3 builds which may not be resolved in time ({{Bug|1269145}}, {{Bug|1267982}}, {{Bug|1331208}}).
** A regression for gtk2 builds since 2.40 has been identified but is limited to certain desktop themes and doesn't seem to affect the most current OS version ({{bug|1312215}}).
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up ({{bug|1367257}})
* The next release will be 2.49.1 build from the ESR branch. It is tracked in {{Bug|1346939}}.
** '''[https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-esr52/graph/SEAMONKEY_2_49_1_BUILD3 SEAMONKEY_2_49_1_BUILD3] is tagged and build3 proceeded on all platforms.'''
** SeaMonkey 2.49.1 will be build with ALSA support. This has been disabled in Firefox 52 and causes problems for Linux users (see discussion in {{bug|1345661}}).
** Release notes in {{Bug|1385792}}.
** All source code changes have been checked in.
*** [https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-esr52/shortlog/SEAMONKEY_2_49_ESR_RELBRANCH SEAMONKEY_2_49_ESR_RELBRANCH] has been created in comm-esr52.
*** [https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-esr52/shortlog/THUNDERBIRD_52_VERBRANCH THUNDERBIRD_52_VERBRANCH ] will be used for SeaMonkey 2.49.1 and just needs to be tagged.
** 2.49.1 candidate build 3 is at 52.4ESR level.
** 2.49.1 needs a build 4 because of a wrong update channel.
** 2.49.1 should work with macOS 10.13 High Sierra. Brief tests indicate no serious problems.
** Updates for 2.48 are not working. For 2.49.1 updates need to be tested if they are still working:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL
** Various mozilla bugs were uplifted in the mozilla-esr52 THUNDERBIRD_52_VERBRANCH release branch together with Thunderbird.
** 2.49.1 will use Rust parts for the first time. MOZ_RUST_MP4PARSE=1 and MOZ_RUST_URLPARSE=1 had been set for this.
** l10n problems from 2.46 are still not solved. Extensions again can not be shipped bundled with this release. A removal patch has been checked into the 2.49.1 ESR release branch. DOMi and cZ tags have nevertheless been updated for a future release.
** Missing dropmarker in ({{bug|1331208}}) might affect 2.49.1.
*** l10n problem is tracked in ({{bug|1231349}}).
*** Chatzilla and DOMi repack problems are also tracked in {{Bug|1315552}}.
*** IanN has locale merge working for Chatzilla and is working on the DOMi repack issues.
*** See also {{Bug|652063}} (Enable localized ChatZilla builds).
* If it can be made stable a 2.53 Beta might be done later. At least Download Manager and the bookmarks panel still need some fixes for this to happen.
** comm-release (2.53) Fx 56 should be kept current for testing as long as possible because addons still fully work in this release.
** When 56 becomes EOL we will decide if we do a branch for further testing and bug fixing.
* Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
* Windows x64 releases
** Unofficial (contributed build) Win64 builds work.
*** Currently tracked by {{bug|482143}}.
* Releases will be done off comm-esr52 and then comm-esr59.
** Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57 [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** '''Merge was completed September 22nd'''; including comm-central → comm-beta
=== Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking ===
* Most extensions are now broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+ because of Mozilla api removals.
** ChatZilla and DOMi are also broken.
** The addon-SDK has been removed.
* Evaluation if some extension functionality should be incorporated will need to be done later.
** Candidates among others are ChatZilla, Lightning, SeaTab X2 and Version Number.
* The SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. This would fix long standing issues we have with AMO.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the AMO people to discuss this.
** '''Ratty''' and '''IanN''' will meet with the Thunderbird people to discuss this.
** Progress is slow to non-existent because '''Ratty''' is currently absent.
** [Ratty] Suggests that if we do this, we can also host the ''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''.
* '''Firefox plans removal of non-WebExtension add-ons and full-theme support with Gecko 57''' [https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/].
** ''new'' add-ons other than WebExtensions will [[Add-ons/2017#Firefox_53|no longer be accepted for signing]] as early as Gecko 53.
** The add-on sdk will be removed from mozilla code for Firefox 58. Other parts will follow.
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page. Please only list current changes here.
* '''Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey''' [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/ http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/]<br>This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
** We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2834855&start=270#p14168717], {{bug|1145026}}.
** Ratty filed {{Bug|1130390}} to add a link on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
* The [http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/amo-browsing/ AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey] extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also {{bug|1145026|Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane}}; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
* The [https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/html-validator/ HTML Validator] adds HTML validation to SeaMonkey. [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-validator/versions/0.9.7.5.beta The Beta version] is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it worked with them last year. It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as [https://validator.w3.org the W3C validator] but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/index.html the developer's site] for details.
* In Gecko 52 obsolete toolkit parts were removed in {{bug|1312143}}. This may cause problems with older add-ons when SeaMonkey 2.49 hits the road. The 2.49 release notes should mention it. Chatzilla and DOMi were affected and were fixed.
* There is a new build variable: MOZ_ALLOW_LEGACY_EXTENSIONS=1. It is currently set to true (1) and has also been put into SeaMonkeys confvar.sh to play it safe.
** With this build variable set, most legacy extensions (or at least most of those which work in 2.49, see above) work even in 2.54a1 notwithstanding its being built on Toolkit 57.0a1 '''but''' if you use the "Add-ons Manager - Version Number" extension on SeaMonkey 2.54a1, you need [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/amversionnumber/versions/1.5beta1 its latest development version], i.e. version 1.5beta1, published during the night from 5 to 6 August (just before the meeting): earlier versions wreak havoc with the add-ons manager display (but of course not in Safe Mode).
* '''IanN'' would like to know which extensions use toolkit\obsolete and SMILE. '''Callek_cloud9''' has no access to the internal mozilla repository to check.
* Many "deprecated" symbols, which were kept for extension compatibility, were removed from Toolkit 57.0a1 on August 7, and a few more shortly thereafter, causing a lot of extensions to malfunction or to stop working.
** ChatZilla was fixed by frg in {{bug|1389449}}.
** Nightly Tester Tools will not be fixed ([https://github.com/mozilla/nightlytt/issues/243 by policy of its maintainers]), it is to be converted to a WebExtension instead, but that will take time, see "Rewrite NTT as WebExtension" ([https://github.com/mozilla/nightlytt/issues/235 issue], [https://github.com/mozilla/nightlytt/pull/245 pull request]) on NTT's github site. An unofficial XPI supporting SeaMonkey and Gecko versions and changesets has been uploaded [http://users.skynet.be/antoine.mechelynck/other/nightlytt-3.8-201708191650.xpi here].
** Of course, no fix is to be expected in extensions no longer actively maintained.
++ Adblock Plus and uBlock are both broken in SeaMonkey 2.54
=== 2.x (Last, Current, Next) ===
* SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at [https://dataviz.mozilla.org/t/public/views/SeamonkeyADI/VersionChannelADI?:embed=y#1 https://dataviz.mozilla.org] Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k. ADI is about 116,000 on 2.48; about 597,000 on 2.46. Unclear how this translates into installations but around 70.000 users are on the release channel.
** Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on [http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ seamonkey-projects.org] or [https://dev.seamonkey.at/ https://dev.seamonkey.at]
** {{Bug|1133728}} Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
** '''Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption {{bug|1173006}}.'''
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** Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 12th March, we have A% on 2.0, B% on 2.1-2.3, C% on 2.4-2.6, D% on 2.7-2.9, E% on 2.10-2.12, F% on 2.13, G% on 2.14, H% on 2.15 and I% on 2.16.-->
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
* Old add-on signing methods has been removed. SeaMonkey and Thunderbird still use them per thread "removing "the old way" of signing add-ons" in mozilla.dev.platform. Apparently dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/so…sions/content/xpinstallConfirm.xul contain the references to them.
* Bug fixes for future 2.49 versions will be approved on a case by case base.
==== 2.48 current release ====
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey248&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (4)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.48 targeted] (1)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey248&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey247&v2=2.48 fixed] (29)
==== 2.49.1 planned next release ====
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[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%2B open tracking] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?&field0-0-0=cf_tracking_seamonkey249&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=%3F tracking requests] (5)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?resolution=---&target_milestone=seamonkey2.49 targeted] (0)
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?o5=notequals&f1=OP&v6=fixed&o3=equals&list_id=8372932&v3=fixed&resolution=FIXED&o6=notequals&o2=equals&f4=CP&v5=fixed&query_format=advanced&j1=OR&f3=cf_status_seamonkey249&f2=target_milestone&f5=cf_status_seamonkey248&v2=2.49 fixed] (49)
==== 2.Next ====
* OSX builds can be done with the 10.11 SDK in the future. The SDK is provided in {{Bug|1324892}} via tooltool.
** OSX compiles are currently broken in c-c. {{bug|1400533}} tracks it. The 10.11 SDK is now needed any may not be available for the TB and SM builders
** '''frg''' did build 2.49.1 from comm-esr52 and 2.54 from comm-central sucessfully using IanNs instructions in {{bug|1379062}}. We might need to make this work fast with the current Linux builders to still be able to compile Nightly.
** It is not sure if the cross-compile can create universal OSX 2.49.1 builds needed for plugin suppprt but this will only become urgent if the last Mac Mini dies.
** Building with the 10.11 SDK currently causes problems in Firefox and macOS 10.13. This is tracked in {{bug|1391790}}.
* We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. '''Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet'''.<br />See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
** As an alternative to porting sync setting up a sync 1.1 server might work.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want sysnc 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
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* Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
** {{Bug|1298243}} 'drag/drop: DataTransfer.types is wrong type'. Building SeaMonkey still works but changes probably need to be ported.
** {{Bug|1276739}} 'replace list.txt with a region-aware JSON file format to allow different search configs...'. Regressions for SeaMonkey are tracked in {{Bug|1300198}}.
*** {{Bug|1300198}} Move list.txt over to JSON once {{bug|1276739}} is in.
**** This will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
** A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
** '''The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned'''. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads. Its going away in
** {{Bug|825588}} Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and {{Bug|851471}} Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|888915}} Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. '''Needs further work'''.
** {{Bug|1378089}} Figure out what to do with bookmarks transactions. Probably needs a lot of work after SeaMonkey 2.53.
* [adriank] would like to drop DOMi or at least not bundling it with release builds in {{Bug|1273222}}. Open for discussion.
* [rsx11m] did open bug {{bug|1305902}} for certificate pinning. Discussion if it should be enabled for SeaMonkey is still underway. '''Callek''' commented in the bug.
* Nightly and Aurora updates are broken. {{bug|1321131}} might be the cause. Aurora users need to be migrated to another channel if possible.
* The l10n cummunity server hosting Adrians builds is still down and the builds missing.
=== Feature List, Planning ===
[http://dev.seamonkey.at/#bugstats Bug statistics] for the last two (full) weeks: 17 new, 12 fixed, 0 triaged.
* zero triaging effort, average number of new bugs filed.
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929>=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 30 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 5 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 12 feedback]
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* Mozilla wants to '''Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own''', which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
** '''[Ratty:]''' Rkent - Thunderbird leader - would like SeaMonkey to join Thunderbird in this move. This might fix our problem with lack of builders.
** discussions in [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/kAyVlhfEcXg/Eqyx1X62BQAJ mozilla.governance], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/MvmEOIOXPxE mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey], [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/bigvCJtidHE tb-planning], [https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2015/12/03/thunderbird-update/ blog.lizardwrangler.com]
** Blog post [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road]
** Separating the infrastructure: [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk Build and release: Mozilla's offer].
** '''More recent posts/discussions:'''
*** [https://marksurman.commons.ca/2016/04/25/firefox-and-thunderbird-a-fork-in-the-road/ Firefox and Thunderbird: A Fork in the Road - Mark Surman]
*** [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tb-planning/i-PSgm_VrOk/nXAkJgvIHwAJ Build and release: Mozilla's offer (on tb-planning)]
** SeaMonkey Council is looking into setting up a separate add-ons site for SeaMonkey extensions. Check to see what Thunderbirds plan is. We might be able to share costs by sharing on add-ons site for both or even all three comm-central applications ([http://instantbird.com/ Instantbird]).
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
*** Discussion diverted to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/t/planning-the-future-of-complete-themes/
*** No news about it till now but will likely come with Firefox 57. Unclear if at first it can be pref controlled.
* Rainer does a [https://unofficialseamonkeynews.wordpress.com/2016/06/01/seamonkey-bugfix-coffee-mug-competition/ Coffee-Mug-Competition]. Please let any developers you know to it and post a big '''Help wanted!''' sign.
* SeaMonkey Composer is outdated. Ratty thinks that using backports or parts of KompoZer [http://kompozer.net/] might solve some of the problems.
* x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
** Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
** Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in {{Bug|482143}}.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. For 2.46 the website was updated but it still needs work.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1384172}} Expose intl.regional_prefs.use_os_locales in the UI in SeaMonkey is new. Either the language prefs need to be enhanced and moved out of the brower or the new pref should be put somewhere else. No final decision yet. '''rsx11m''' will look into it.
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
'''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== Callek ====
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
==== IanN ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== Ratty ====
==== rsx11m ====
Still planning to look into:
* {{Bug|493217}} add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
** Move related items to a new Appearance → Media prefpane
* {{Bug|1384172}} Expose intl.regional_prefs.use_os_locales in the UI in SeaMonkey
** Should be considered along with {{Bug|493217}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix
Awaiting new patch for ui-review:
* {{Bug|1298487}} Modern theme for about:networking
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====
=== Any other business? ===
* The next meeting will be held in two weeks: Sunday October 29th, 2017, '''15:00''' UTC
** '''European Summer Time ends''', thus the meeting is one hour later @UTC.
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