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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''
* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=31&month=10&year=2021&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 31 October, 2021, '''15:00''' UTC]
** ('''11am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, '''11pm''' Hong Kong)
** due to the end of the European Summer Time, we are moving the UTC time back by an hour
** this is a switch from maintaining the same UTC time, as decided in the previous meeting
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):
== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''
=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.
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'''OPEN'''
* After the freenode self destruct change the website to libera chat.
** {{Bug|1716547}} added the initial switch to libera.chat but needs a bit of finetuning.
*** '''frg''' will see that he finds some time to do further updates here. Not there yet.
** {{Bug|1716544}} is used for possible changes to cZ.
** freenode switched to SASL only and seems to be further sliding into irrelevance.
* A logbot is available at [https://ircbot.comm-central.org:8080/seamonkey/#] but currently uses a self signed certificate.
** We will add it later to the support site section.
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. {{Bug|1356106}} has already been filed.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===
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* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We need a breakpad server for submitting crash reports. Thunderbird is also also affected and must set up their own server.
** The date we need to switch has been postponed by Mozilla. We will only be able to use the Mozilla crash-stats till October 31th 2021.
** '''ewong''' set up an intial crash-stats server and is testing it.
** We expect to switch to it for the 2.53.10b1 release.
** '''WG9s''' did switch the 2.53.10b1 pre builds already to the new server.
*** We plan to provide symbols for the b1 pre builds too so.
*** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We are looking at [https://foss.heptapod.net/public hg heptapod] to mirror some of code.
** If we do this then mirroring between gitlab and heptapod needs to be figured out.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
** Mercurial and [https://foss.heptapod.net/mercurial/tortoisehg/thg Tortoise Hg] are now hosted there after bitbucket dropped hg and removed all repos.
** '''IanN''' is in contact with the heptapod staff and we are working out an initial setup.
** Our mercurial queues are becoming bigger with every day and we would like at least set up a 2.53 repo to make patches permanent.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2021. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 11 or 12.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* gcc 11 support is probably broken because of gcc header changes. It will be fixed as time permits.
* VS2022 RC (currently RC 2) is supported for 2.53.10b1 pre and planned later for 2.57 too.
** The release date for VS2022 GA has been set to November 8th.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it initially.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkit 10.0.22000.194 can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in it.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x and 2.57
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: October 4th, 2021
** Next Merges: November 1st, 2021 ''(<!--back to -->4-week rhythm)''
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.93a1. Gecko is at version 96 after the merge.
* [comm-central]:
** Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
** Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** The installer still works...
** comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
** {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
** Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
*** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
*** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* [comm-esr60]:
** The 2.57 builds are based on the last ESR60 changesets.
** The hg repo is closed. Future patches will be checked into our gitlab 2.57 repos.
*** The gitlab repos have been set up but will remain private until the first alpha build is released.
** An unofficial 2.57 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** For building you need to apply the patches from Bills 2.57 website.
** For building with webrender enabled (unsupported and not working) or stylo (default) please stay at Rust 1.37 for now.
** Do not expect to use the 2.57 release yet other than for testing.
** Sidebar and Help are broken because of XUL template removals. See {{Bug|1584728}}.
** Please file bugs only if you know a specific problem is new and needs to be fixed. In any case check the existing bug reports to not generate bug noise.
** Despite having a newer codebase 2.57 is behind 2.53 and central right now and needs to be synced with 2.53 backports and patches again.
*** '''frg''' started with synching but is swamped with other things.
** See {{Bug|1433370}} for current 2.57 issues.
* [comm-release56]:
** The 2.53.x builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in comm-release and mozilla-release.
*** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** For building please apply the patches from Bills website to the noted comm-release and mozilla-release changeset.
*** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you can also check out from [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab].
*** stylo and webrender building is currently broken but disabled by default.
*** Rust from 1.47 up to 1.55.0 is supported.
** See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.
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=== Fixed Source Tree Stuff Since Last Meeting ===
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=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====
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* SeaMonkey 2.53.x originally based on Gecko 56 is in our gitlab comm-release repo.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.9.1 final''' was released as an interim on September 28th, 2021.
** It was built after the last meeting.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1731507}}.
** The release notes and website updates was tracked in {{Bug|1731508}}.
** It contains the ESR78.14 security fixes which apply and a few other backports to prevent crashes.
** It contains a missing backport resulting in images not shown on some websites. This was reported in {{Bug|1727967}}.
** It was switched to gcc 8.3.1 for the Linux i686, clang 9.0.1 for the macOS and VS2019 16.11.3 for the Windows x64 build so please test.
** It works with Windows 11 but has some menu styling issues with the Classic theme (white text on light gray background).
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.10 Beta 1'' at the end of October.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|1727000}}.
** Release is a bit delayed but is now on track. Some version related stuff needs still to be finalized.
** Security fixes which apply up to ESR78.15 were already applied to the b1 pre version.
** Backporting {{Bug|1228841}} did break the download them all (DTA) and maybe other old add-ons. DTA needs to be fixed by the author or a third party.
*** We still try to not break classic add-ons but need to get parser fixes for later features in and the obsolete stuff is really in the way sometimes.
** Input field date works now and thanks to '''njsg''' has been styled for the Modern theme too. It will be enabled for the beta release.
*** This needed changes in the tab browser by adding a browser stack in {{Bug|1730392}}. Please test.
*** Input field time can be enabled with setting dom.forms.datetime.timepicker to true. Still disabled in latest Firefox so use it only for testing.
** Because of bad user agent sniffing we consider to update the base UA version from Gecko 60 to 68 or 78.
*** A test patch setting it to 78 has been added to the prerelease version. Please report any website breakage in the support groups only.
*** We might set it to 68 because of problems with google when you use strict Firefox compatibility for the UA.
*** Mid term we might implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 5 to 12, gcc 6.3.1, gcc 7.1 to 9 can be used to build 2.53.9.1+ on Linux or clang only for macOS. Support for gcc 5.x and 4.x has been removed.
** clang 7 to 12, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64. Support for VS2015 and earlier VS2017 versions has been removed.
** VS2019 up to 16.6.5 can be used for Windows x86 but causes crashes and is therefore no longer recommended.
** Support for gcc 6.x and clang 5 and 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
** 2.53.x fixes are available from the [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ wg9s website].
* WebExtension dictionary support is being worked on but no ETA.
* The language packs will be switched to the WebExtensions format for better comaptibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet. This is or will also be supported in 2.57.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
* Some users report heavy memory usage compared to 2.49.5 but no specific problem or common cause has been found yet.
** Do not add bugs without providing some information how to reproduce any memory issues. Bugs with only general statements like "it hangs after 3 days" or "SeaMonkey is bloated" will be closed immediately in the future.
* Release notes are provided for reading them before reporting or discussing problems...
==== SeaMonkey 2.57 ====
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* SeaMonkey 2.57 originally based on Gecko 60 in comm-esr60.
* SeaMonkey 2.57 is being developed together with 2.53 and then released as soon as possible.
** Because of not enough developers this is a slow go and we will distribute interim 2.53 versions.
* 2.57 will be build from a new 2.57 gitlab repo based on the '''comm-esr60''' repo.
** The sources are currently marked private in our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].
** An alpha 1 source is being prepared.
** The comm-esr60 repos are closed. All fixes not in them are available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ wg9s website] until the gitlab repo is ready.
** '''frg''' maintains the patches for 2.57 on gitlab in a private repo. As with 2.53 anyone who wants access can send him an email but Bills repo bundle is usually up to date.
* Thanks to '''IanN''' mail and news are now usable in 2.57. There are still problems open for this.
* Ad and Script Blocker support needs WebExtension support in SeaMonkey 2.57.
** Like 2.53 l10n needs to be hand rolled. The strings from 2.53 and comm-central will be used as a base.
** To test l10n building 2.57 is now available in German on [https://www.wg9s.com/comm-257-de/de/ wg9s website].
** When doing patches please make sure to change the l10n labels when the content changes.
** cZ, debugQA and the Lightning extension are included with 2.57.
** DOMi has been removed from 2.57.
* Thunderbird did switch to WebExtension dictionaries.
* Compiling 2.57 with rust >= 1.33 needs fixes which are only in the unofficial patches queues.
** Webrender and stylo do not compile with rust 1.38 and up.
** We are currently bringing up rust compiler support but struggle with some issues. Only 1.37 is currently supported when compiling stylo and webrender.
* Lighting is fully integrated into TB 78. We plan to port this to 2.57.
==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* General SeaMonkey release issues.
** General build fixes are now backported to 2.53.and 2.57.
** Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53 and 2.57.
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up {{Bug|1367257}}.
*** Remaining issues are with menu borders and submenu arrows (Core {{Bug|1267982}} and {{Bug|1334679}})
** When updates are working again the following bugs need to be looked into:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.
** Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
** In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
*** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped with the current TB 78.
* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 and 2.57 repos and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in 2.57 and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.9 cZ will be available in more languages.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are planned for 2.53.10b1.
* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped fror 2.57 and up. See {{Bug|1273222}}.
* The debugQA extension will be later localized.
* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}. As of now working on this has not started.
** This would be needed for a ESR60 based SeaMonkey 2.57.
** Some backports for adding Web extension dictionaries to 2.53 have been done but more is needed.
* Evaluation if some extension functionality should be incorporated will need to be done for the 2.57 release.
** Lightning is still working in 2.57.
** NoScript, Adblock Plus and uBlock are broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+
** SeaTab X2 works in 2.57.
** debugQA works in 2.57.
* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still being updated. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.5.
* '''IanN''' created an SM version of the QuickText add-on.
* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.
* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.
* Flash support ended in January 2021.
** Flash support is no longer available in 2.53.7b1 and up.
*** Firefox shows a placeholder for Flash content. We just disable the plugin without doing so.
** Safari 14.0.1 removed support for it.
** Firefox removed support in Firefox 85.
** Microsoft killed it too.
** SeaMonkey specific NPAPI and Flash removal is tracked in {{Bug|1688415}}.
** Progress in removing it from the 2.53 source is a bit slow because we do not want to drop PPAPI support so just can't remove all plugin code unconditionally.
* The Download Them All extension (3.0.9) will currently not work with SeaMonkey 2.53.10b1 pre (see release train).
** Some user started to update it for the standard try/catch syntax and we hope it will be fixed when releasing the official beta.
=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
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* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.
* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
'''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
* We might need new SeaMonkey bugzilla component for tracking website problems with our product.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case probles with specific websites only should be discussed in the support groups first.
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
* Apple M1 and later arm support needs to being looked into for a later release.
* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.
* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14h 2021. We might need to adjust links on the website and in SeaMonkey.
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=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
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* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. Only bindings used in Firefox will be kept for now until they are replaced with who-knows-what.
*** Overlays are now also gradually being removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* The optional chaining operator {Bug|1566143}} and the Nullish Coalescing operator {Bug|1566141}} need to be backported because websites tend to break now because of missing support in 2.53 and 2.57.
** Help welcome but there is also the option to do nothing but complain in the support groups about website breakage...
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1441016}} Port {{Bug|1414390}} "Add intl.locale.requested locale list to replace general.useragent.locale" to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====
=== Any other business? ===
* The next meeting will be held in two weeks on Sunday November 14, 2021, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
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'''SeaMonkey Meeting Details'''
* Time: Sunday [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=31&month=10&year=2021&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 31 October, 2021, '''15:00''' UTC]
** ('''11am''' Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, '''11pm''' Hong Kong)
** due to the end of the European Summer Time, we are moving the UTC time back by an hour
** this is a switch from maintaining the same UTC time, as decided in the previous meeting
* Location: #seamonkey IRC channel on [ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey libera chat channel].
** if the direct link doesn't work, try [ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/ ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/] explicitly
* Further Read: [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]]
* Participants (in order of appearance):
== Agenda ==
* Who's taking minutes? -> '''TBD'''
* Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
** '''TBD'''
=== Action Items ===
(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug)
We should assign people to the open items.
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'''OPEN'''
* After the freenode self destruct change the website to libera chat.
** {{Bug|1716547}} added the initial switch to libera.chat but needs a bit of finetuning.
*** '''frg''' will see that he finds some time to do further updates here. Not there yet.
** {{Bug|1716544}} is used for possible changes to cZ.
** freenode switched to SASL only and seems to be further sliding into irrelevance.
* A logbot is available at [https://ircbot.comm-central.org:8080/seamonkey/#] but currently uses a self signed certificate.
** We will add it later to the support site section.
* '''KaiRo''' has sent all available svg and SeaMonkey image data to '''IanN''' and '''frg'''.
** We need to find a permanent place for them to make them available at least to the core developers outside of the source tree.
* The project areas on the website need further updates to reflect the current responsibilities after some long time developers and maintainers left the project. {{Bug|1356106}} has already been filed.
* We want to create a gitlab patch/fixes repo for classic XUL extensions.
** '''IanN''' is looking into it.
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure ===
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* Our infrastructure is using Azure.
** '''ewong''' has been looking at Kallithea, RhodeCode and other similar tools which are needed later to automate source code management for non mozilla repos (tools, website and others).
*** Also evaluation of Ansible and Terraform going together with it is done.
** Jenkins is being set up on the builders.
*** '''ewong''' is making progress setting up automated build jobs using it. This will still take some time.
** Cloning the mozilla- repos is problematic. They are huge and the process is slow.
*** Incremental updates need to be done whenever possible later.
* Please see [https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Ewong/infrastatus Infrastructure Status]
* '''IanN''' has started updated the in-tree config files in {{Bug|1687385}}
* Mozilla switched Windows builds to cross compile on Linux.
** This would need backports but is not 100% native (needs Wine). So currently no plans to do this for SeaMonkey.
** Discussion for later when setting up jenkins. Even buildbot had some version specific files outside the tree.
* Some Capacity planning to find the best price/performance ratio is carried out.
** Other than azure hosting options because of price are also evaluated.
** '''ewong''' started to look at Azure CDN as a download server.
* We need a breakpad server for submitting crash reports. Thunderbird is also also affected and must set up their own server.
** The date we need to switch has been postponed by Mozilla. We will only be able to use the Mozilla crash-stats till October 31th 2021.
** '''ewong''' set up an intial crash-stats server and is testing it.
** We expect to switch to it for the 2.53.10b1 release.
** '''WG9s''' did switch the 2.53.10b1 pre builds already to the new server.
*** We plan to provide symbols for the b1 pre builds too so.
*** There are still several issues open which are being in the process of being fixed.
* The '''WGS9s''' servers are working fine and unofficial builds are being released.
* We are looking at [https://foss.heptapod.net/public hg heptapod] to mirror some of code.
** If we do this then mirroring between gitlab and heptapod needs to be figured out.
** One candidate would be the website code currently mirrored manually.
** Mercurial and [https://foss.heptapod.net/mercurial/tortoisehg/thg Tortoise Hg] are now hosted there after bitbucket dropped hg and removed all repos.
** '''IanN''' is in contact with the heptapod staff and we are working out an initial setup.
** Our mercurial queues are becoming bigger with every day and we would like at least set up a 2.53 repo to make patches permanent.
* '''frg''' proposes to end 32 bit release support in 2021. Main reason is that modern websites are memory hungry and the 32 bit only architecture cause more and more oom crashes and subsequent complaints. Mozilla recently stopped testing Linux x86 releases too.
** No consensus reached about it yet.
* To reduce the use of different compilers we are looking into compiling future 2.53 Windows releases with clang 11 or 12.
** Currently CentOS 7 can not use the mozilla provided compilers because of a downlevel libstd.
* gcc 11 support is probably broken because of gcc header changes. It will be fixed as time permits.
* VS2022 RC (currently RC 2) is supported for 2.53.10b1 pre and planned later for 2.57 too.
** The release date for VS2022 GA has been set to November 8th.
** The Windows build server will not be switched to it initially.
* The latest Windows 10 toolkit 10.0.20348 causes a compile error with the mapi.h header.
** Recommended version is still 10.0.19041.
** The Windows 11 toolkit 10.0.22000.194 can also be used. The MAPI header was fixed by Microsoft in it.
* Preliminary aarch64 support for Linux has been added to 2.53.x and 2.57
** Native arm support for macOS and Windows is looked into for a later date.
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=== Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree ===
* Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: [https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=bW96aWxsYS5jb21fZGJxODRhbnI5aTh0Y25taGFiYXRzdHY1Y29AZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ Releases Scheduling]
** Last Merges: October 4th, 2021
** Next Merges: November 1st, 2021 ''(<!--back to -->4-week rhythm)''
** SeaMonkey is now at version 2.93a1. Gecko is at version 96 after the merge.
* [comm-central]:
** Windows, macOS and Linux builds.
** Do not try to use the comm-central release.
** The installer still works...
** comm-central builds will no longer be published on the unofficial site.
** {{Bug|1611647}} was filed for SeaMonkey to do the rename from xul to xhtml files and references.
** See {{Bug|1452448}} for current comm-central issues. This is not up to date.
** Thunderbird plans to check in their source as a branch in mozilla-central and drop the suite code.
*** We are evaluating options. Best would be to still have the source code in together with Thunderbird otherwise we would need to merge mozilla and Thunderbird changes into a new repo.
*** A unified repo will be slow and cumbersome to handle in any case.
* [comm-esr60]:
** The 2.57 builds are based on the last ESR60 changesets.
** The hg repo is closed. Future patches will be checked into our gitlab 2.57 repos.
*** The gitlab repos have been set up but will remain private until the first alpha build is released.
** An unofficial 2.57 is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** For building you need to apply the patches from Bills 2.57 website.
** For building with webrender enabled (unsupported and not working) or stylo (default) please stay at Rust 1.37 for now.
** Do not expect to use the 2.57 release yet other than for testing.
** Sidebar and Help are broken because of XUL template removals. See {{Bug|1584728}}.
** Please file bugs only if you know a specific problem is new and needs to be fixed. In any case check the existing bug reports to not generate bug noise.
** Despite having a newer codebase 2.57 is behind 2.53 and central right now and needs to be synced with 2.53 backports and patches again.
*** '''frg''' started with synching but is swamped with other things.
** See {{Bug|1433370}} for current 2.57 issues.
* [comm-release56]:
** The 2.53.x builds are based on the last 56 release changesets in comm-release and mozilla-release.
*** An updated unofficial 2.53.x is available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ WG9's website]. We accept filing bugs against it.
** For building please apply the patches from Bills website to the noted comm-release and mozilla-release changeset.
*** If you want to build the latest release without pending fixes you can also check out from [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project/ gitlab].
*** stylo and webrender building is currently broken but disabled by default.
*** Rust from 1.47 up to 1.55.0 is supported.
** See {{Bug|1688498}} for important current 2.53 issues and enhancement requests.
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=== Release Train ===
==== SeaMonkey 2.53.x ====
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* SeaMonkey 2.53.x originally based on Gecko 56 is in our gitlab comm-release repo.
* '''SeaMonkey 2.53.9.1 final''' was released as an interim on September 28th, 2021.
** It was built after the last meeting.
** The release was tracked in {{Bug|1731507}}.
** The release notes and website updates was tracked in {{Bug|1731508}}.
** It contains the ESR78.14 security fixes which apply and a few other backports to prevent crashes.
** It contains a missing backport resulting in images not shown on some websites. This was reported in {{Bug|1727967}}.
** It was switched to gcc 8.3.1 for the Linux i686, clang 9.0.1 for the macOS and VS2019 16.11.3 for the Windows x64 build so please test.
** It works with Windows 11 but has some menu styling issues with the Classic theme (white text on light gray background).
* We plan to release '''SeaMonkey 2.53.10 Beta 1'' at the end of October.
** The release is tracked in {{Bug|1727000}}.
** Release is a bit delayed but is now on track. Some version related stuff needs still to be finalized.
** Security fixes which apply up to ESR78.15 were already applied to the b1 pre version.
** Backporting {{Bug|1228841}} did break the download them all (DTA) and maybe other old add-ons. DTA needs to be fixed by the author or a third party.
*** We still try to not break classic add-ons but need to get parser fixes for later features in and the obsolete stuff is really in the way sometimes.
** Input field date works now and thanks to '''njsg''' has been styled for the Modern theme too. It will be enabled for the beta release.
*** This needed changes in the tab browser by adding a browser stack in {{Bug|1730392}}. Please test.
*** Input field time can be enabled with setting dom.forms.datetime.timepicker to true. Still disabled in latest Firefox so use it only for testing.
** Because of bad user agent sniffing we consider to update the base UA version from Gecko 60 to 68 or 78.
*** A test patch setting it to 78 has been added to the prerelease version. Please report any website breakage in the support groups only.
*** We might set it to 68 because of problems with google when you use strict Firefox compatibility for the UA.
*** Mid term we might implement overrides for bad web sites like Waterfox does using a json file containing the UA replacements.
* Some languages might need new or more translators. See [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3077284 help wanted for translating].
* ''' frg''' proposes to skip beta releases because we get no or minimal feedback only and this delays delivering security fixes among other things.
** No consensus reached about it yet so we will continue with the current release Beta/GA cycle.
* NSS 3.49 and up drop the dbm compatibility module. This has been restored for 2.53.2. Later we might do a hard block upgrading from an older release.
** Distributions using the system nss might need to adjust compile settings for this.
* The following bugs are not yet fixed in 2.53.x:
** {{Bug|1409458}} "Privacy Issue: Replying to or forwarding an HTML e-mail with external content".
** {{Bug|1684651}} SeaMonkey under later macOS versions does not repaint the scrollbar correctly on all sites.
* A meta bug {{Bug|1584728}} tracks the rdf removal from SeaMonkey.
** Old 2.53.x bugs are still marked as not fixed in bugzilla. We will mark them as fixed as time permits.
* Compiler support is up to date.
** clang 5 to 12, gcc 6.3.1, gcc 7.1 to 9 can be used to build 2.53.9.1+ on Linux or clang only for macOS. Support for gcc 5.x and 4.x has been removed.
** clang 7 to 12, VS2017 15.9.13+ and VS2019 are supported under Windows x64. Support for VS2015 and earlier VS2017 versions has been removed.
** VS2019 up to 16.6.5 can be used for Windows x86 but causes crashes and is therefore no longer recommended.
** Support for gcc 6.x and clang 5 and 6 will be removed soon. For backporting the new regexp parser full c++17 support is needed.
** Mozilla skipped clang 10 support because of unspecified problems and did go straight to clang 11 from 9. We will not support clang 10 either. It can be used but is unsupported by us. gcc 9 and up did not get much/any testing so ymmv.
** 2.53.x fixes are available from the [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ wg9s website].
* WebExtension dictionary support is being worked on but no ETA.
* The language packs will be switched to the WebExtensions format for better comaptibility with later release and build stuff synchronization.
* '''Please use the new Calendar component for reporting and tracking respective bugs!'''
* We are looking into adding support for Custom Elements and Shadow DOM in a later release. No ETA yet. This is or will also be supported in 2.57.
** Google owned/based websites like youtube are likely to break because of this in the near future. There are already reports of broken functionality on youtube.
* Some users report heavy memory usage compared to 2.49.5 but no specific problem or common cause has been found yet.
** Do not add bugs without providing some information how to reproduce any memory issues. Bugs with only general statements like "it hangs after 3 days" or "SeaMonkey is bloated" will be closed immediately in the future.
* Release notes are provided for reading them before reporting or discussing problems...
==== SeaMonkey 2.57 ====
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* SeaMonkey 2.57 originally based on Gecko 60 in comm-esr60.
* SeaMonkey 2.57 is being developed together with 2.53 and then released as soon as possible.
** Because of not enough developers this is a slow go and we will distribute interim 2.53 versions.
* 2.57 will be build from a new 2.57 gitlab repo based on the '''comm-esr60''' repo.
** The sources are currently marked private in our [https://gitlab.com/seamonkey-project gitlab project repos].
** An alpha 1 source is being prepared.
** The comm-esr60 repos are closed. All fixes not in them are available from [http://www.wg9s.com/comm-257/ wg9s website] until the gitlab repo is ready.
** '''frg''' maintains the patches for 2.57 on gitlab in a private repo. As with 2.53 anyone who wants access can send him an email but Bills repo bundle is usually up to date.
* Thanks to '''IanN''' mail and news are now usable in 2.57. There are still problems open for this.
* Ad and Script Blocker support needs WebExtension support in SeaMonkey 2.57.
** Like 2.53 l10n needs to be hand rolled. The strings from 2.53 and comm-central will be used as a base.
** To test l10n building 2.57 is now available in German on [https://www.wg9s.com/comm-257-de/de/ wg9s website].
** When doing patches please make sure to change the l10n labels when the content changes.
** cZ, debugQA and the Lightning extension are included with 2.57.
** DOMi has been removed from 2.57.
* Thunderbird did switch to WebExtension dictionaries.
* Compiling 2.57 with rust >= 1.33 needs fixes which are only in the unofficial patches queues.
** Webrender and stylo do not compile with rust 1.38 and up.
** We are currently bringing up rust compiler support but struggle with some issues. Only 1.37 is currently supported when compiling stylo and webrender.
* Lighting is fully integrated into TB 78. We plan to port this to 2.57.
==== General SeaMonkey release issues ====
* General SeaMonkey release issues.
** General build fixes are now backported to 2.53.and 2.57.
** Licensing issues and maybe adding additional licenses need to be discussed. Code from {{Bug|1559900}} to do this has been included in 2.53 and 2.57.
** A meta bug for gtk3 compatibility has been created for 2.49.1 and up {{Bug|1367257}}.
*** Remaining issues are with menu borders and submenu arrows (Core {{Bug|1267982}} and {{Bug|1334679}})
** When updates are working again the following bugs need to be looked into:
*** {{Bug|1274722}} Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference.
*** {{Bug|1271761}} Add CPU features/detection to update URL.
** Discussions if we should match minor version numbers with Firefox are still underway. This would need a coordinated change for either c-c or all trees. All minor versions would be changed and the versions would need to be made available in bugzilla. Lightning version calculation needs to be changed. This will be done at a later date and not for 2.49 ESR.
** In {{Bug|1674946}} it is proposed that setting security.enterprise_roots.enabled to true unconditionally should be done to avoid problems with thrid party firewalls and antivirus programs.
*** The general opinion is that the setting should be exposed in the preferences but not make the default.
=== Extensions Tracking ===
* Thunderbird did discontinue classic add-ons with the ESR78 based release.
** Mozilla removed the last traces of classic add-ons from the Gecko source code. They can no longer be installed.
** Enigmail was discontinued for Thunderbird and OpenPGP is being integrated.
*** The OpenPGP integration was tracked in {{Bug|22687}}. and is now shipped with the current TB 78.
* cZ was integrated into SeaMonkey in {{Bug|1551033}}.
** The language pack for cZ was removed for 2.53.8 and a translated cZ is included. SeaMonkey language packs will now support cZ too and translate it.
** The current cZ source code was checked in without history into comm-central. History is available in our 2.53 and 2.57 repos and current patch queues.
** cZ is no longer an extension in 2.57 and fully integrated.
** Starting with 2.53.9 cZ will be available in more languages.
** cZ has gotten many enhancements in 2.53.9b1. Read the release notes.
*** Better SASL support and enhancements for storing the passwords are planned for 2.53.10b1.
* DOMi was integrated into SeaMonkey 2.53 only in {{Bug|1700003}}.
** The full history is retained in our gitlab-master branch. The unofficial patch queue only includes the latest snapshot.
** Initial clean-ups were done in {{Bug|1701416}}.
** DOMi has been dropped fror 2.57 and up. See {{Bug|1273222}}.
* The debugQA extension will be later localized.
* WebExtension support in SeaMonkey is tracked in {{Bug|1320556}}. As of now working on this has not started.
** This would be needed for a ESR60 based SeaMonkey 2.57.
** Some backports for adding Web extension dictionaries to 2.53 have been done but more is needed.
* Evaluation if some extension functionality should be incorporated will need to be done for the 2.57 release.
** Lightning is still working in 2.57.
** NoScript, Adblock Plus and uBlock are broken in SeaMonkey 2.54+
** SeaTab X2 works in 2.57.
** debugQA works in 2.57.
* [https://noscript.net/getit NoScript Classic 5.x] is still being updated. Currently 5.1.9.
* [https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy uBlock Origin] is still being updated. The latest legacy version is currently 1.16.4.30.
* [https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/session-manager/ Session Manager] is still being updated. Latest version is 0.8.1.14 and supports SeaMonkey 2.53.x.
* [https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill/ github-wc-polyfill] can be used for accessing github and gitlab. Both need Custom Elements support right now. Latest version is 1.2.5.
* '''IanN''' created an SM version of the QuickText add-on.
* The SeaMonkey and Thunderbird add-ons are now hosted on [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
** The old add-ons website api has been removed in {{Bug|1402064}} for Gecko 60 and up. We might need to do some further porting here to smoothly integrate installation from the add-ons site.
** The website has been updated and points to [https://addons.thunderbird.net/].
* We will evalute the possibility of shipping pdf.js with SeaMonkey in a future release. '''frg''' will look into it when he finds some time.
* Mozilla removed all classic add-ons from AMO. '''Rainer_Bielefeld''' filed {{Bug|1517828}} to see if missing add-ons can be re-added. The add-on converter also no longer works because of this.
** Suggestion is to use a third party archive [https://github.com/JustOff/ca-archive/ ca-archive] and xpi.
* Flash support ended in January 2021.
** Flash support is no longer available in 2.53.7b1 and up.
*** Firefox shows a placeholder for Flash content. We just disable the plugin without doing so.
** Safari 14.0.1 removed support for it.
** Firefox removed support in Firefox 85.
** Microsoft killed it too.
** SeaMonkey specific NPAPI and Flash removal is tracked in {{Bug|1688415}}.
** Progress in removing it from the 2.53 source is a bit slow because we do not want to drop PPAPI support so just can't remove all plugin code unconditionally.
* The Download Them All extension (3.0.9) will currently not work with SeaMonkey 2.53.10b1 pre (see release train).
** Some user started to update it for the standard try/catch syntax and we hope it will be fixed when releasing the official beta.
=== 2.Next ===
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/Basics|Basics]] page for the usual reminders.
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* Sync is no longer working. The goal for 2.53 and 2.57 is to restore sync 1.1 and set up a sync 1.1 server.
** Sync 1.1 has been removed from the mozilla source tree. If we want Sync 1.1 to work we need to fork it.
*** Pro: We control our own sync server and are not left at the mercies of Mozilla the next time they change their sync system.
*** Pro: Our users don't need an Fx Account.
*** Con: Can't sync with Firefox (unless someone writes a Sync 1.1 client for Firefox).
** The sync ui has been disabled in 2.57+ in {{Bug|1432273}}.
** Long term we need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code after 2.57. See: [http://blog.swarnava.in/2014/02/new-firefox-sync-has-landed-in-firefox.html New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly]. Tracked in:
*** {{Bug|998807}} Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
*** {{Bug|1003434}} Add support for about:sync-progress.
* '''frg''' suggests doing an about:credits page for SeaMonkey contributors. This should link to a new list of people on the SeaMonkey project page.
** '''IanN''' suggests about:smcredits.
** The mozilla credits page still must be linked because there are many SeaMonkey contributors in it and Gecko is also still the foundation we did and are building on.
* Tests are broken. Priority for new features or ports according to '''IanN''' is to get the code working.
'''frg''' suggests splitting off the tests to separate bugs for tracking and hopefully fixing in the future.
With the current dev resources at hand he is not very hopeful about fixing the tests anytime soon.
* We might need new SeaMonkey bugzilla component for tracking website problems with our product.
** Non working websites should be verified against a genuine Firefox 56 and 60 before filing a bug.
*** If a website does not work in Firefox 60 it is either fundamentally broken or needs some later not yet implemented features.
*** If a website works in both 56 and 60 it is usually only problem with incorrect user agent sniffing. Bug should either be closed or moved to the tech evangelism component then if the triager does not think it is a problem with SeaMonkey implementation.
** In any case probles with specific websites only should be discussed in the support groups first.
* Stalled. Needs a kick:
** {{Bug|815954}} Click-to-Play: Port {{Bug|812562}} (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
** {{Bug|476108}} GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
* Apple M1 and later arm support needs to being looked into for a later release.
* The project website is not localized. Only a basic German version is available which was created as a test some time ago. Support for other languages needs tool support and or integration with something like Poonton.
* MDN stopped showing archived content on July 14h 2021. We might need to adjust links on the website and in SeaMonkey.
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=== Feature List, Planning ===
Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: — new, — fixed, — triaged.
* generally low activity on trunk, focus on branches towards releases
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/chart.cgi?category=-All-&subcategory=-All-&name=1183&label0=SM-with-review%3F-requests&line0=1928&label1=SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&line1=1929>=1&labelgt=Grand+Total&datefrom=2009-07-15&dateto=&action-wrap=Chart+This+List Open reviews/flags]:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-review%3F-requests&series_id=1928&remaction=runseries 21 review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=SeaMonkey%20%282%29%20/%20-All-%20/%20SM-with-superreview%3F-requests&series_id=1929&remaction=runseries 3 super-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=ui-review%3F 1 ui-review]
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=SeaMonkey&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=feedback%3F 21 feedback]
* See [[SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/FeatureList|Feature List]] page for major wanted/needed features.
*'''TODO:'''
** Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
*** {{Bug|1127784}} added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
*** More work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
* '''Fundamental core features''' Firefox/Mozilla plans or did remove:
** {{Bug|1446341}} The XUL "tree" widget will be removed from mozilla-central
*** Major bummer, will affect MailNews and other windows, Core {{Bug|1446335}}
** {{Bug|1444685}} XUL overlays are gone (SeaMonkey)
*** See Thunderbird {{Bug|1444468}}, Core {{Bug|1426763}}
** {{Bug|1222546}} Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
*** This has been officially removed with Firefox 57. With Firefox 61 theme support has been removed from the source. The Modern theme no longer works in SeaMonkey.
** {{Bug|1397874}} tracks the xbl bindings removal. Only bindings used in Firefox will be kept for now until they are replaced with who-knows-what.
*** Overlays are now also gradually being removed. Mozilla has converted tabbrowser.xml to tabbrowser.js. Needs to be done for SeaMonkey in a later release too.
* The website and wiki are outdated. '''InvisibleSmiley''' no longer maintains the website. The website was updated but it still needs work. Volunteers welcome.
* '''frg''' suggested asking for donations in a future release. Probably during startup or more prominently on the website.
* '''frg''' suggested a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
** '''IanN''' suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.
* There are reports that the PayPal donation on the website doesn't work for USD. It seems the amount is converted to Euro (probably correct if it is a German account).
* Images should be vectorized and be svg if possible for future updates and HiDPI compatibility.
* {{Bug|1414390}} needs to be ported. intl.locale.requested locale list needs to replace general.useragent.locale. Thunderbird did this in {{Bug|1423532}}.
* More and more websites do poor browser sniffing or pretend to require a later browser version.
** We need to evaluate if a user agent switcher should be incorporated into SeaMonkey.
** For some google services like maps you need to set a plain Firefox useragent to avoid problems.
* {{Bug|1463738}} Bookmarks descriptions are taken out of Gecko 62.
* Live bookmarks and rss support is taken out of Gecko 63 in {{Bug|1477667}}. {{Bug|1477670}} might affect us too.
* The optional chaining operator {Bug|1566143}} and the Nullish Coalescing operator {Bug|1566141}} need to be backported because websites tend to break now because of missing support in 2.53 and 2.57.
** Help welcome but there is also the option to do nothing but complain in the support groups about website breakage...
=== Roundtable - Personal Status Updates ===
* '''IanN generally will handle more complex review requests. frg, rsx11m, stefanh and ewong can also do reviews in their areas of expertise. For bigger changes and branch approvals outside of the build system IanN needs to be involved'''.
* a+ from trusted regular patch authors/reviewers for ESR60 / 2.57 is implied as long as it only affects the suite directory. This will change back to a general needed a+ when the tree becomes more stable and will be announced then. If in doubt ask for approval.
Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).
==== ewong ====
==== frg ====
==== IanN ====
==== njsg ====
==== Rainer Bielefeld ====
==== rsx11m ====
Not really working on:
* {{Bug|1441016}} Port {{Bug|1414390}} "Add intl.locale.requested locale list to replace general.useragent.locale" to SeaMonkey
* {{Bug|1437393}} Font lists in preferences are no longer grouped by font type, port asynchronous handling like {{Bug|1399206}}
** follow-up to {{Bug|1435034}}
* {{Bug|1318852}} Make labels of cmd_properties action-oriented and context-sensitive, e.g. "Edit Contact", "Edit List", etc.
** "real" fix
==== stefanh ====
==== tonymec ====
==== WG9s ====
=== Any other business? ===
* The next meeting will be held in two weeks on Sunday November 14, 2021, 15:00 UTC (16:00 CET).
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