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= Aesthetic =
= Aesthetic =
Great new designs for 3.7/4 on Windows but what will Firefox look like on OSX?
:[[https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Projects/3.7_and_4.0_Theme_and_UI_Revamp/Mac_Specific_Visual_Refresh Mac Specific Design for 3.7, 4.0]]--&mdash; [[User:Spacr|Edson Ayllon]] <sup>[[http://twitter.com/EdsonAyllon twitter]]</sup> 01:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
== Back/Forward Button ==
== Back/Forward Button ==
Having the back button on top of the forward button adds another level of depth.
Having the back button on top of the forward button adds another level of depth.
Either taking off the shadow where the forward button touches the back or keeping them separate will fix this--[[User:Spacr|Spacr]] 22:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Either taking off the shadow where the forward button touches the back or keeping them separate will fix this--&mdash; [[User:Spacr|Edson Ayllon]] <sup>[[http://twitter.com/EdsonAyllon twitter]]</sup> 22:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


== Toolbar separation in Vista/7 ==
I don't like the way tab and favorites bars are visually separated from the main toolbar by adding another semi-transparent layer. This separation simply doesn't make any sense. In this regard, I like Fx4.0 mockups better.


On the other hand, looking at IE8, these toolbars are also separated, but it makes sense there, because upon pressing Alt, the menu appears BELOW the browser toolbar and it is not translucent (as well as the toolbars below it). Where will it appear in Firefox?


Other than that, I really like the mockups, though I wouldn't mind colorful toolbar buttons (look at IE, it's in color, and doesn't seem to hurt!).--[[User:Rq|RQ]] 08:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)




= Usability =
== I hate how the tool button touches the window border  ==
 
The tools button is touching the very edge of the window. I think it looks terrible like that. It would be better as a normal button. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 20:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:I Agree, it's ugly. [[User:Ekerazha|Ekerazha]] 07:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed, should be changed. --[[User:Domthedude001|Domthedude001]] 17:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:I don't mind the button touching the border, and in fact I think it is a nice potential option. It may be better as a theme, I personally would like a streamlined theme that puts buttons around the edges. More computers these days have widescreen displays, and most webpages are designed vertically and do not extend far horizontally, so a theme that works around the screen edges could be helpful for some users. I do not know of any themes that place buttons around the outside edges.
--[[User:Leonresevil2|Leonresevil2]]  9 September 2009
 
= Interface =
== Tabs ==
== Tabs ==


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The problem with having the button with the current tab is that a user has to move to the new location when opening multiple tabs, causing more work for the user than necessary. It should be placed to the right with the tab manager button (or whatever the plan to do with that) so a user doesn't really have to look for the button since it will always be at the same place.
The problem with having the button with the current tab is that a user has to move to the new location when opening multiple tabs, causing more work for the user than necessary. It should be placed to the right with the tab manager button (or whatever the plan to do with that) so a user doesn't really have to look for the button since it will always be at the same place.
--[[User:Spacr|Spacr]] 15:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
--&mdash; [[User:Spacr|Edson Ayllon]] <sup>[[http://twitter.com/EdsonAyllon twitter]]</sup> 15:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:I completely disagree. I prefer the new tab button to move. We should be able to somehow customise whether or not the tab button moves. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 09:17, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:I completely disagree. I prefer the new tab button to move. We should be able to somehow customise whether or not the tab button moves. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 09:17, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


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The one thing Apple has done with Safari that makes it more usable that Internet Explorer, Opera, Chrome and Firefox is that they don't make the user work to open two or more tabs quickly, which means less frustration for the end user and a more productive session.
The one thing Apple has done with Safari that makes it more usable that Internet Explorer, Opera, Chrome and Firefox is that they don't make the user work to open two or more tabs quickly, which means less frustration for the end user and a more productive session.
[[File:Safari-Example-001.png]]
[[File:Safari-Example-001.png]]
--[[User:Spacr|Spacr]] 20:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
--&mdash; [[User:Spacr|Edson Ayllon]] <sup>[[http://twitter.com/EdsonAyllon twitter]]</sup> 20:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)




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I have been thinking, this may be better suited under another topic or under Firefox 4.0 suggestions, but maybe the new tab button could open a tab that is formed like the search bar when selected. This way, the search bar could be removed (optionally?), while still allowing a separate place to just search online. The current shortcut keys to select the search bar could open a new tab and put the focus on the new tab to begin typing a search. Also, the search engine dropdown could be placed where favicons usually appear in the tab.
I have been thinking, this may be better suited under another topic or under Firefox 4.0 suggestions, but maybe the new tab button could open a tab that is formed like the search bar when selected. This way, the search bar could be removed (optionally?), while still allowing a separate place to just search online. The current shortcut keys to select the search bar could open a new tab and put the focus on the new tab to begin typing a search. Also, the search engine dropdown could be placed where favicons usually appear in the tab.
--[[User:Leonresevil2|Leonresevil2]]  9 September 2009
--[[User:Leonresevil2|Leonresevil2]]  9 September 2009
Another question about the new-tab-tab: When opening many tabs, where are these scroll-left and scroll-right buttons on each side of the tab toolbar. Where will this new-tab-tab go then? Will it be a black plus next to the black tab on the right? Or will it scroll with the rest of the tabs (bad)? Or will all the tabs scroll, but the new-tab-tab will be always on the right of them? (I don't know, if it is understandable what I want to say...)
@Leonresevil2: Do you mean, that the tab itself becomes an input-element? Or do you want a search-dialog be displayed instead of a blank page? If first, I there's again the problem with too many tabs: They get smaller...
[[User:Nikic|Nikic]] 10:34, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
The reason why I'm not currently using any glass add-on in FF is because most of them include transparent tabs. It's completely unusable. Take a look at IE8 tabs are not transparent and the should not be.
--[[User:Frippi|Frippi]] 09:47, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Back to the new tab button...  How about when you click that button, a new tab is added and all the tabs compress but the button stays in that spot until you move the mouse away..  Then the tabs uncompress, fill up the tab bar again, and the new tab button moves back to the right of the last tab
--[[User:Freshness|Freshness]] - December 12


=== Tab Animations  ===
=== Tab Animations  ===


It would be nice to have tab animations when the user grabs a tab, and rearranges it on the tabs toolbar. An example of this is in Chrome and Safari, where the tabs move themselves accordingly to where the user holds the grabbed tab at the moment. This makes the reorganization of tabs look more smooth. However, there should be an choice in the options page where the user can allow/disable these animations. Also, animations should be added for when tabs are torn from the toolbar, and are either used to make a new window, or join another window's tabs. These animations are also found in Chrome and Safari, and add a nice touch to the browsing experience. These animations would make the browsing on Firefox look more smooth and seamless. --[[User:Lmaoxlong|Lmaoxlong]] 23:53, 21 July 2009 (UTC)  
It would be nice to have tab animations when the user grabs a tab, and rearranges it on the tabs toolbar. An example of this is in Chrome and Safari, where the tabs move themselves accordingly to where the user holds the grabbed tab at the moment. This makes the reorganization of tabs look more smooth. However, there should be an choice in the options page where the user can allow/disable these animations. Also, animations should be added for when tabs are torn from the toolbar, and are either used to make a new window, or join another window's tabs. These animations are also found in Chrome and Safari, and add a nice touch to the browsing experience. These animations would make the browsing on Firefox look more smooth and seamless. --[[User:Lmaoxlong|Lmaoxlong]] 23:53, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:Also, don't forget about animations for the opening and closing of tabs. Not only are they visually pleasing, but if you accidentally close a tab, it helps to be able to quickly glance and see which tab was closed. &mdash; [[User:Musicfreak|musicfreak]] <sup>([[User talk:Musicfreak|talk]])</sup> 01:47, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


=== Address bar inside the tab  ===
=== Address bar inside the tab  ===
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:It´s all about how it should be implemented. A good implementation will be very clear for the user. -[[User:Larini|larini]] 20:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:It´s all about how it should be implemented. A good implementation will be very clear for the user. -[[User:Larini|larini]] 20:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:No, I really don't like this one. As mentioned already above (in section about new-tab-tab) the tabs get really small when I open dozens of them. (Okey, could be solved by adjusting the size, as you said.) But a much greater problem: URIs get very long. And I like to know there I am. So I want to get always a full URI. And if in FF4 the statusbar will be removed, the target uri of links will be shown in the location bar. And, as already said, uris get long and I want to know them. So every time I hover a link the tabs width should be adjusted? Would look quite strange, in my eyes. [[User:Nikic|Nikic]] 10:45, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


=== What about dragging tabs out of the window?  ===
=== What about dragging tabs out of the window?  ===
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: Yeah you can, but it looks very ugly compared to how Chrome does it. To tear out a page on Firefox, it opens a new window at a default location (not where you tore the tab out) and reloads the whole page. I don't know about you, but I like the fact that I don't have to worry about what's going on before I tear it out. --[[User:Twstdude0to1|Twstdude0to1]] 21:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah you can, but it looks very ugly compared to how Chrome does it. To tear out a page on Firefox, it opens a new window at a default location (not where you tore the tab out) and reloads the whole page. I don't know about you, but I like the fact that I don't have to worry about what's going on before I tear it out. --[[User:Twstdude0to1|Twstdude0to1]] 21:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


=== Feedback on the new mockups ===
=== Progress Bar Filling the Entire Tab ===
 
The new mock-ups are fantastic! However, I have one suggestion. The progress bar should fill the entire tab's background rather than just the top part. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 16:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 
I agree with the previous comment: the progress bar doesn't seem well integrated in the tab. Also adding a progress bar in the tab increases visual clutter around the tab title which is bad for readability. I don't think the progress bar is such an important thing so why would it be so visible at all (light green attracts too much attention)
 
filling the tab progressively with a background color would be better --[[User:Lerenard|Lerenard]] 10:14, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 
<br> I do not agree at all. It would be an aesthetical disaster. The way it is planned now is awesome. --[[User:IZver|iZver]] 08:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 
I think a progress bar isn't needed at all. Websites normally don't really need much time to load. Furthermore it isn't predictable how long a page-load will take, because link to new files may be everywhere. For example: JavaScript files that are loaded out of other JS-Files. The implementation of this progress-clock in 3.7a1pre I don't like either.
 
[[User:Nikic|Nikic]] 12:26, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 
Just a clear indication that page has been loaded might me enough. Usually it doesn't matter how many percents has been loaded.
[[User:Frippi|Frippi]] 09:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
 
-So the green light attracts attention.. all lights attract attention, it doesn't mean that you have to look at it.  If it's not an important thing, why worry about it?


The new mock-ups are fantastic! However, I have one suggestion. The progress bar should fill the entire tab's background rather than just the top part. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 16:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
-Why you would want to fill a tab with a solid color is beyond my reasoning.  That would be a horrendous mistake and it would look like a complete disaster.


-Nikic, YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE USING THE INTERNET.  You wouldn't know if the websites someone goes to takes as long as the sites you go to. Plus, some people have slow internet so take that into consideration before talking about how status bars everywhere are inaccurate and unuseful.


I do not agree at all. It would be an aesthetical disaster. The way it is planned now is awesome. --[[User:iZver|iZver]] 08:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I completely agree with iZver. The loading bar in the tab looks clean and is a clear indication of loading
[[User:Freshness|Freshness]], 12 December 2009
 
=== Address Bar Inside the Tabs  ===
 
Look this: address bar inside the tabs. The address bar should be inside the tab. While typing the tab will expand. After type, the tab restore to a default size. The address bar get space in the screen and it is not so necessary after accessing the site
 
https://wiki.mozilla.org/File:FF4_larini.jpg
 
=== Multiple Separate Rows ===
I often have online radio open in a tab and multiple tabs for separate documentation I'm using. I'm currently using a row add-on, but this has always felt like it would be best suited as a main feature. Basically multiple separate rows of tabs maybe with the ability to specify groups of tabs to cover multiple rows. This would be more of a power user feature to organize multiple sets of tabs without opening multiple windows of Firefox. --[[User:Sirisian|Sirisian]] 21:32, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 
== Buttons ==
 
 
=== History dropdown button ===
 
What happened to the history dropdown next to the back/forward buttons? Don't make it trigger by pressing and holding the mouse. Making it like this turns it into a hard to find invisible feature. Also, some tablet pcs and tablets are configured to trigger a left click by pressing and holding the pen for a while, then releasing it. This overrides the back/forward buttons press and hold function.
 
--[[User:Facildelembrar|Facildelembrar]] 18:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
I too noticed the missing history dropdown button. This is a handy feature which is worth the small amount of room it takes up. Since the back arrow is usually made larger, the forward arrow could be raised up to be flush with the top of the back arrow, and the history dropdown could be inserted underneath the raised forward arrow.
--[[User:Leonresevil2|Leonresevil2]]  9 September 2009
 
Try a right-mouse click on one of the two icons ;) I think this option will still be there with FF3.7. So, on a tablet you press and hold the pen to simulate a right click and there it goes. [[User:Nikic|Nikic]] 10:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 
=== Position of the Buttons: 4 proposals  ===
 
I like the "Initial Windows Theme Mockups for Firefox 3.7" very much. Here are some proposal/suggestions.
 
1°) Il like the "'''tool'''" button on top right. Personnally, I always use an extension named "compact menu". And I think that this is more or less the same idea: to hide the traditional menu (File, Edit, etc...) and to group all the commands inside a unique "tool" menu. It make the User Interface more clean.
 
2°) I like the "'''page'''" button concept. Great idea. I have remark regarding its position: Actually the "Page" information are like attributes from the URL. So I think that the position on the right of the menu (link in XP screenshot) or ~like a new tab (like on Vista/7 screenshot) are a bit confusing. So I would suggest to put the "Page" button just near the URL box. It seems more logical.
 
3°) Regarding the button "star" (= "quick '''bookmark''' this page"). I have the same proposal: it shall be located just near the URL box because this is an action related to the current page.
 
4°) I like the idea to be able to display/hide quickly the '''personal bar'''. For me this action is similar than opening a new tab. Except that this new tab has to be preloaded with an URL already bookmarked by the user. So, my sugesstion is to treat is in a similar way than the ["+" new tab] button. On the right or the near the ["+" new tab] button.
 
Please look at the proposal on attached file
 
[[Image:Mozilla firefox 3.7 -Proposal2.png]]
 
Regarding the display/hide quickly the personal shortcut bar, I have another suggestion: when pushing this button, the system could display kind of "bubble" on the forgound with all icones of adress bar (like in the Mac Dock, please look at the 2nd screenshot). [[Image:Capture dock.png]]
 
An easier way to do it could be to dispay the personal bar in the same way that the password bar, just on top of the page with a little translation movement from the page.
 
<br>A last thing&nbsp;: I REALLY like the rounded corners in the URL &amp; Search fields. Please make it available on XP also.
 
--Freeman31, 22th July 2009 0:22 UTC.
 
@3: Hm, I don't really understand why you should move the bookmarking-star from the right of the location bar to the left of it. Could you explain? [[User:Nikic|Nikic]] 11:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 
 
=== Home Button  ===
 
1. The home button transition form 3.5 to 3.7 inform of a bookmark bar is not to nice because I don't use the bookmark toolbar much but I use the home button much more but the transition from 3.7to the next version is nice, how is sitting next to the tabs and I think if you middle click it again to open a new tab would be nice.
 
2. You should explain how the combination between the awesome bar and the search engine bar is going to work, I like them both separate but if you do it right it could be awesome connection.
 
=== Sketches are great, don't like small bookmarks icon and page menu on left  ===
 
I really like your sketches, but the mockups for Firefox 3.7 aren't quite as good in my opinion. Please either stick to the sketch design, or move towards the Firefox 4.0 layout.
 
In particular, in the Firefox 3.7 Vista layout, the Page menu to the far left of the tab bar seems strange, and it's not obvious what the star icon on the right means: you say it shows the bookmarks bar, but its location makes me think it's going to bookmark the current page.
 
Would be very happy with the Firefox 4.0 version B ("tabs-on-top"). The version A ("tabs-on-bottom") would be OK too if you moved the Page menu next to the location bar.
 
I also like the idea of hiding the bookmarks bar by default. --[[User:Mikelward|Mikelward]] 03:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
=== Missing Buttons  ===
 
I suggest that the button that are removed from the Firefox interface in Firefox 3.7, should have a known shortcut known to users. Example: Home button is missing from the interface. Hence it need a shortcut. --User: Jason twilight17.20, 15th August 2009 (UTC)
 
:We should be able to add the home button in the same way as the current version of Firefox. This functionality will only change in Firefox 4.0.&nbsp;;) --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 20:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 
About Firefox 4.0, I have seen your Proposed Mockups. I find them almost like 95% Chrome-like. I personally dislike the omni-bar (Awesome bar + search bar). I will prefer if the search bar
:I would prefer it like that too. It should be made easy to switch between the omni-bar and two separate bars. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 15:11, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 
<br> They should not remove the history dropdown next to the back/forward buttons and the URL dropdown next the location bar. Removing them make Firefox less user-friendly.
 
If I want to go back to the site that I visited 10 pages before now, a history dropdown will make things easier, because you can do that in 2 clicks. Moreover, you can know what you pages you visited in the last 9 pages.
 
URL dropdown should show the pages that you usually visits and hence is useful to the user because he can access to bbc.co.uk in 2 clicks.
 
Even though this things can be done using a keyboard, some people are more used to using mouse to use Firefox's functions.
 
Therefore, I suggest that firefox should have designed in such a way that there are options to switch from the mouse orientated design to the keyboard orientated design and from keyboard to the mouse.-----Jason twilight 02.53, 18th August 2009 (UTC)
 
:Lets not forget that Windows Explorer also uses the back and forward buttons with a drop down. Unless we design Firefox in the same way (just like in Fx 3.5), the user will be very confused. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 08:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 
I just hope that all missing button/bar can be recovered using the customised... function. I hope to see new drafts about Firefox 3.7 soon. -----Jason twilight 12.53, 19th August 2009 (UTC)
 
=== Vista/7 mockups, Page/Tools buttons: why NOT this way ===
 
*) You should use icons (like Chrome) instead of text because of localization issues (ex. in Italian language "Tools" is "Strumenti", that's just too long).
 
*) That darker grey color is ugly, use the same color as for the other buttons.
 
--[[User:Ekerazha|Ekerazha]] 00:09, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 
: Agreed, to add to that: The page and tools buttons are too intrusive for functions that are used sparsely. Please make these buttons unobtrusive.
 
== Keep Bookmarks Menu  ==
 
Please keep the Bookmarks menu as in FF3.5... I have a lot of bookmarks and would be lost as how to use the menu in the current setups. Im sure that the menu or something to see the bookmarks will be in the new style but at the moment I can't see where and its not intuitive if it its there.
 
--[[User:Martinjh99|Martinjh99]] 06:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 
== Do NOT combine search and address bar.  ==
 
I really hope that me saying this isn't needed, but, combining the search bar and the address bar is a horrible idea. I have several custom search options in the search bar that I use regularly. If it was combined into the address bar, I'd be forced to search with one specific engine every time. This would be a huge inconvenience to myself, and I'm assuming many other people that also value making their time more efficient.
 
As to combining the go, refresh, and stop button, that's unnecessary as well. The go button should be removed, but stop and refresh should stay where they are. Personally, I use hot keys, and never click the buttons, so I take them off already, but sometimes I reload a page in the middle of it loading because my internet hung and the page didn't load properly, or is timing out. A quick mid-load refresh remedies that, and wouldn't be possible if it showed a stop button since it would still be loading. It's just an extra step if I had to stop it, and then reload. It may sound minuscule, but if you have to do that several thousand times, that adds up pretty fast.
 
:The very same drop-down style search provider selection may be implemented in address bar. That would conserve space and provide same rich functionality.
:[[User:Frippi|Frippi]] 10:00, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 
== Noooo, not the status bar!  ==
 
I have about 35 add-ons installed. 13 of these use the status bar to provide important information and easily accessible buttons. Without the status bar, add-ons such as FoxClocks and ColorZilla would be rendered useless, while other add-ons such as IE Tab and Personas would have to put their buttons in the navigation bar, where they would be a lot uglier and waste tons of precious space.
 
I also find that pop-up thingie you get when you point at links in Chrome to be very distracting. I'm OK with hiding the status bar by default, but please don't remove it altogether. [[User:Loginer|Loginer]] 17:43, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:I'm sure it'll be possible to switch the status bar back on via the options screen. And I'm sure that the people who made your add-ons can find an alternative place for their buttons.&nbsp;;) --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 14:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Well I do like the status bar. Althoe I realize it's a total waste of space, because it is empty on my browser. But I just like the space between windows and website.--[[User:iZver|iZver]] 09:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== The Menu Bar.  ==
 
I believe that the mock-up are good but Removing the menu bar Totally from Firefox altogether is ( I believe) not a bad choice.
 
I believe that the menu bar should be hidden away and not totally removed from Future Firefoxs.
 
Suggestion:
 
Options In Future Firefoxs (after Fx 3.6) should be able to allow the classic menu bar should be to appear or this can be done alternatively by pressing the alt button.
 
I believe this way is better than removing them outright, since some user are more familiar with the classic menu instead of the new and simplified buttons/menus as shown in the mock up.-----Jason twilight 07.25, 30th August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Indeed - I fully agree with this menu sentiment. A previous comment on this page suggesting hiding menus by nesting them further inside another menu (or button that isn't really a button but is actually a menu), thinking this would create a "cleaner" interface - <b>rethink your priorities</b>. A clean interface is <b>not the most important thing</b> - functionality that's easy to access <b>is</b>. Menus are a time-tested solution to the problem. <b>Office 2007's anti-menu experiment has not been a success.</b> Don't emulate them.
 
[[User:Barrkel|Barrkel]] 15:16, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 
If I'm not wrong, there obviously will be a possibility to show the menu. Either with Alt temporarily or with an option all the time. Furthermore: Obviously it's a bad idea to put the whole menu into one button. But this isn't planned, too: There are a minimum of three buttons: Page, Tools and Bookmarks.
 
[[User:Nikic|Nikic]] 15:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 
I hope that (at LEAST) Mozilla comes up with an "addon" that puts the menu bar in firefox.  I think that the options available with Chrome (their "page & wrench" click-able icons) gives you a lot of "flair" to choose from, but "substance" is lacking.  The "view" is somewhat covered in the integration, but the "edit"?...poor!  I want the option for a menu bar anyways!  I still don't see why Firefox has to become "Firechrome" (if I wanted that, I'd just go with Google).
 
== Bookmarks ==
 
I really like the slim new mockup of Firefox so far. I do believe that we should do something with the Bookmarks though. They make the interface bulky in any almost any browser. Could it be possible to have them show up at the bottom of the interface or some how have them fly out when needed instead of sticking around?


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== Suggestions  ==
Look this: adress bar inside the tabs. The address bar should be inside the tab. While typing the tab will expand. After type, the tab restore to a default size. The address bar get space in the screen and it is not so necessary after accessing the site


https://wiki.mozilla.org/File:FF4_larini.jpg


== Suggestions  ==
== Suggestions  ==
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I like the hotedges suggestion, but what I'd really like is the option to fill my screen with content, the way I can when using a media player. All controls and other screen edging (including that useless quarter-inch bar at the top of the browser that should be combined with the tab bar) should ghost away unless the user right-clicks (or uses a hotkey combo) to bring the browser interface to the fore. The user should be able to tell Firefox whether tabs should be "always on top" or whatever other interface component they want never to ghost away. It is possible that a "hot corner" would be a useful option. I don't think I normally mouse to the lower left of my screen when browsing pages or interacting with websites, so maybe mousing in that corner could activate the browser interface without using a hotkey or a mouse click. Regardless, as a user I want to access *content*. Too much of the browser interface crowds my content. In the age of netbooks with small screens, visual real estate is precious. If Firefox can lead the way with regard to this trend, they might be able to dramatically improve market share. On the other hand, one can guess that the Google Chrome OS is going to make this happen.  
I like the hotedges suggestion, but what I'd really like is the option to fill my screen with content, the way I can when using a media player. All controls and other screen edging (including that useless quarter-inch bar at the top of the browser that should be combined with the tab bar) should ghost away unless the user right-clicks (or uses a hotkey combo) to bring the browser interface to the fore. The user should be able to tell Firefox whether tabs should be "always on top" or whatever other interface component they want never to ghost away. It is possible that a "hot corner" would be a useful option. I don't think I normally mouse to the lower left of my screen when browsing pages or interacting with websites, so maybe mousing in that corner could activate the browser interface without using a hotkey or a mouse click. Regardless, as a user I want to access *content*. Too much of the browser interface crowds my content. In the age of netbooks with small screens, visual real estate is precious. If Firefox can lead the way with regard to this trend, they might be able to dramatically improve market share. On the other hand, one can guess that the Google Chrome OS is going to make this happen.  


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What happened to the history dropdown next to the back/forward buttons? Don't make it trigger by pressing and holding the mouse. Making it like this turns it into a hard to find invisible feature. Also, some tablet pcs and tablets are configured to trigger a left click by pressing and holding the pen for a while, then releasing it. This overrides the back/forward buttons press and hold function.
--[[User:Facildelembrar|Facildelembrar]] 18:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I too noticed the missing history dropdown button. This is a handy feature which is worth the small amount of room it takes up. Since the back arrow is usually made larger, the forward arrow could be raised up to be flush with the top of the back arrow, and the history dropdown could be inserted underneath the raised forward arrow.
--[[User:Leonresevil2|Leonresevil2]]  9 September 2009


== Mindless robotic praise  ==
== Mindless robotic praise  ==
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I am in love. Unlike both the Fx 2 and 3 redesigns, I feel absolutely no "out-of-placeness" at first sight. Well done! [[User:Bielawski|Bielawski]] 16:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)  
I am in love. Unlike both the Fx 2 and 3 redesigns, I feel absolutely no "out-of-placeness" at first sight. Well done! [[User:Bielawski|Bielawski]] 16:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)  


== Position of the Buttons: 4 proposals  ==


I like the "Initial Windows Theme Mockups for Firefox 3.7" very much. Here are some proposal/suggestions.


1°) Il like the "'''tool'''" button on top right. Personnally, I always use an extension named "compact menu". And I think that this is more or less the same idea: to hide the traditional menu (File, Edit, etc...) and to group all the commands inside a unique "tool" menu. It make the User Interface more clean.
== Criticism  ==


2°) I like the "'''page'''" button concept. Great idea. I have remark regarding its position: Actually the "Page" information are like attributes from the URL. So I think that the position on the right of the menu (link in XP screenshot) or ~like a new tab (like on Vista/7 screenshot) are a bit confusing. So I would suggest to put the "Page" button just near the URL box. It seems more logical.  
I feel this design attempts to combine Safari , IE7/8 &amp; Chrome UI and while quite beautiful, it does not reflect the personalization aspects that make Firefox so great. When you add 6-10 addons (or more) with their related UI additions, have bookmarks toolbar visible for convenience of top 10-12 visited sites a click away, etc etc. The design falls short. I believe this is a case where form should not supersede function. Also: what of Royale Noir for XP?


3°) Regarding the button "star" (= "quick '''bookmark''' this page"). I have the same proposal: it shall be located just near the URL box because this is an action related to the current page.
:"Royale Noir" is a leaked, incomplete theme. If you want an officially released dark theme, take a look at the Zune theme. [[User:Ekerazha|Ekerazha]] 20:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 
4°) I like the idea to be able to display/hide quickly the '''personal bar'''. For me this action is similar than opening a new tab. Except that this new tab has to be preloaded with an URL already bookmarked by the user. So, my sugesstion is to treat is in a similar way than the ["+" new tab] button. On the right or the near the ["+" new tab] button.
 
Please look at the proposal on attached file
 
[[Image:Mozilla firefox 3.7 -Proposal2.png]]  
 
Regarding the display/hide quickly the personal shortcut bar, I have another suggestion: when pushing this button, the system could display kind of "bubble" on the forgound with all icones of adress bar (like in the Mac Dock, please look at the 2nd screenshot). [[Image:Capture dock.png]]
 
An easier way to do it could be to dispay the personal bar in the same way that the password bar, just on top of the page with a little translation movement from the page.
 
<br>A last thing&nbsp;: I REALLY like the rounded corners in the URL &amp; Search fields. Please make it available on XP also.


--Freeman31, 22th July 2009 0:22 UTC.  
Seems more like you're trying to imitate the other browsers and apps, by going with something like M$'s ribbon-interface. The elimination of the menu bar (and replacing it withe the tools menu) give the browser a new (but not improved user interface). If you are going to go with the "ribbon" interface, please give users the option of keeping the "classic" look with the drop down menus, which many people find easier to navigate. Also the tool menu clutters up the navigation bar somewhat.




This design is just plain worse. Look at the way that an extra "layer" is added behind the tabs and bookmarks. Is it necessary? No. Does it make Firefox look more complicated? Yes. Honestly, Mozilla, get some people who know what they're DOING. This looks like it was designed in five minutes by a bored programmer.
[[User:(=Nemesis=)|(=Nemesis=)]] 23:32, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


== Criticism  ==
:Absolutely agree that "additional level of transparency" is of no use at all, just makes UI look more complex. [[User:Frippi|Frippi]] 10:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


I feel this design attempts to combine Safari , IE7/8 &amp; Chrome UI and while quite beautiful, it does not reflect the personalization aspects that make Firefox so great. When you add 6-10 addons (or more) with their related UI additions, have bookmarks toolbar visible for convenience of top 10-12 visited sites a click away, etc etc. The design falls short. I believe this is a case where form should not supersede function. Also: what of Royale Noir for XP?
Honestly, I think it looks more integrated this way. I can't understand why you people think adding this makes it seem too complex (maybe you're all monkeys?).  But of course, the really angry people tend to leave the most comments..
[[User:Freshness|Freshness]]


:"Royale Noir" is a leaked, incomplete theme. If you want an officially released dark theme, take a look at the Zune theme. [[User:Ekerazha|Ekerazha]] 20:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:Prove me I'm wrong, but I don;t remember a single win7 application with such appearance. It's either glass or not.
 
Seems more like you're trying to imitate the other browsers and apps, by going with something like M$'s ribbon-interface. The elimination of the menu bar (and replacing it withe the tools menu) give the browser a new (but not improved user interface). If you are going to go with the "ribbon" interface, please give users the option of keeping the "classic" look with the drop down menus, which many people find easier to navigate. Also the tool menu clutters up the navigation bar somewhat.  


== Keep focusing on OS Integration  ==
== Keep focusing on OS Integration  ==
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* Please explain what the little tab icon to the right does.
* Please explain what the little tab icon to the right does.
* (aero only) The loadbar should be integrated into the address bar as in explorer and ie. Or replicate that effect onto the tabs back. This could also apply to XP.
* (aero only) The loadbar should be integrated into the address bar as in explorer and ie. Or replicate that effect onto the tabs back. This could also apply to XP.
== Do NOT combine search and address bar.  ==
I really hope that me saying this isn't needed, but, combining the search bar and the address bar is a horrible idea. I have several custom search options in the search bar that I use regularly. If it was combined into the address bar, I'd be forced to search with one specific engine every time. This would be a huge inconvenience to myself, and I'm assuming many other people that also value making their time more efficient.
As to combining the go, refresh, and stop button, that's unnecessary as well. The go button should be removed, but stop and refresh should stay where they are. Personally, I use hot keys, and never click the buttons, so I take them off already, but sometimes I reload a page in the middle of it loading because my internet hung and the page didn't load properly, or is timing out. A quick mid-load refresh remedies that, and wouldn't be possible if it showed a stop button since it would still be loading. It's just an extra step if I had to stop it, and then reload. It may sound minuscule, but if you have to do that several thousand times, that adds up pretty fast.


== Unorganized  ==
== Unorganized  ==
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== Home Button  ==
1. The home button transition form 3.5 to 3.7 inform of a bookmark bar is not to nice because I don't use the bookmark toolbar much but I use the home button much more but the transition from 3.7to the next version is nice, how is sitting next to the tabs and I think if you middle click it again to open a new tab would be nice.
2. You should explain how the combination between the awesome bar and the search engine bar is going to work, I like them both separate but if you do it right it could be awesome connection.
== Sketches are great, don't like small bookmarks icon and page menu on left  ==
I really like your sketches, but the mockups for Firefox 3.7 aren't quite as good in my opinion. Please either stick to the sketch design, or move towards the Firefox 4.0 layout.
In particular, in the Firefox 3.7 Vista layout, the Page menu to the far left of the tab bar seems strange, and it's not obvious what the star icon on the right means: you say it shows the bookmarks bar, but its location makes me think it's going to bookmark the current page.
Would be very happy with the Firefox 4.0 version B ("tabs-on-top"). The version A ("tabs-on-bottom") would be OK too if you moved the Page menu next to the location bar.
I also like the idea of hiding the bookmarks bar by default. --[[User:Mikelward|Mikelward]] 03:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


== Unknown  ==
== Unknown  ==
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- URL + search bar combo is important to add as is transparency for Vista/7 folk.  
- URL + search bar combo is important to add as is transparency for Vista/7 folk.  


== Keep Bookmarks Menu  ==
Please keep the Bookmarks menu as in FF3.5... I have a lot of bookmarks and would be lost as how to use the menu in the current setups. Im sure that the menu or something to see the bookmarks will be in the new style but at the moment I can't see where and its not intuitive if it its there.
--[[User:Martinjh99|Martinjh99]] 06:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


== Good way to think about FF full screen mode as the future interface  ==
== Good way to think about FF full screen mode as the future interface  ==
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There's a mockup for Luna Blue (ok) Silver (ok) Olive (ok) Royale (ok), but Zune theme ( http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=75078 ) is missing, it's similar to Royale but with a dark-grey/orange color scheme. [[User:Ekerazha|Ekerazha]] 20:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)  
There's a mockup for Luna Blue (ok) Silver (ok) Olive (ok) Royale (ok), but Zune theme ( http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=75078 ) is missing, it's similar to Royale but with a dark-grey/orange color scheme. [[User:Ekerazha|Ekerazha]] 20:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)  
== I hate how the tool button touches the window border  ==
The tools button is touching the very edge of the window. I think it looks terrible like that. It would be better as a normal button. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 20:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:I Agree, it's ugly. [[User:Ekerazha|Ekerazha]] 07:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed, should be changed. --[[User:Domthedude001|Domthedude001]] 17:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:I don't mind the button touching the border, and in fact I think it is a nice potential option. It may be better as a theme, I personally would like a streamlined theme that puts buttons around the edges. More computers these days have widescreen displays, and most webpages are designed vertically and do not extend far horizontally, so a theme that works around the screen edges could be helpful for some users. I do not know of any themes that place buttons around the outside edges.
--[[User:Leonresevil2|Leonresevil2]]  9 September 2009


== Paste and go!  ==
== Paste and go!  ==
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:Please don't ask me to "chill" when you've been so steadfast in your assumptions that you've compared disagreement to trying to convince me that "2+2=4". If you had been polite during the discussion rather than heavily implying that anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot (I refer you to your "2+2" comment), you could expect the same courtesy in return. With regard to contributing, you haven't actually suggested what specifically should be changed. Why should the small gap between tabs be changed? Or why should the icon on the refresh button be altered? You haven't said what you want changed, and why. I'm not some kind of Firefox 'fanboy' - if I deem something to be worthy of criticism, I'm more than happy to say what I disagree with. --[[User:Pintsized|Pintsized]] 13:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)  
:Please don't ask me to "chill" when you've been so steadfast in your assumptions that you've compared disagreement to trying to convince me that "2+2=4". If you had been polite during the discussion rather than heavily implying that anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot (I refer you to your "2+2" comment), you could expect the same courtesy in return. With regard to contributing, you haven't actually suggested what specifically should be changed. Why should the small gap between tabs be changed? Or why should the icon on the refresh button be altered? You haven't said what you want changed, and why. I'm not some kind of Firefox 'fanboy' - if I deem something to be worthy of criticism, I'm more than happy to say what I disagree with. --[[User:Pintsized|Pintsized]] 13:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)  
:I'd say that the mockups remind me of a cross between Chrome, Opera 10, Firefox 3.5, and Chrome. Oh, and Chrome too. Seriously. It may be copying Chrome a lot, but at least it isn't copying as much as Safari. Safari has the same exact icons for the two main menu buttons. Opera is behind the times on interface design, and Firefox is lagging behind a bit. These changes will help bring Firefox's interface back up-to-date. Once Firefox also abolishes the menu bar, the only other major browser that still has it, at least by default, will be Opera. I like these proposed changes, and I think they look nothing like Opera 10. They share some buttons in common - no duh, they're gonna have refresh, stop, back, and forward buttons - but the icons are completely different. If anything, Firefox 3.5's interface looks more like Opera 10 than 3.7's mockups do. Seriously, look at it! Am I right? See, that's because browsers need address bars, tabs, and some other interface elements. Those are the ''only'' things I saw in common between Firefox 3.7 and Opera 10. [[User:NuckChorris|NuckChorris]] 04:26, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:I'd say that the mockups remind me of a cross between Chrome, Opera 10, Firefox 3.5, and Chrome. Oh, and Chrome too. Seriously. It may be copying Chrome a lot, but at least it isn't copying as much as Safari. Safari has the same exact icons for the two main menu buttons. Opera is behind the times on interface design, and Firefox is lagging behind a bit. These changes will help bring Firefox's interface back up-to-date. Once Firefox also abolishes the menu bar, the only other major browser that still has it, at least by default, will be Opera. I like these proposed changes, and I think they look nothing like Opera 10. They share some buttons in common - no duh, they're gonna have refresh, stop, back, and forward buttons - but the icons are completely different. If anything, Firefox 3.5's interface looks more like Opera 10 than 3.7's mockups do. Seriously, look at it! Am I right? See, that's because browsers need address bars, tabs, and some other interface elements. Those are the ''only'' things I saw in common between Firefox 3.7 and Opera 10. [[User:NuckChorris|NuckChorris]] 04:26, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
stay in Firefox 4. --User: Jason twilight 03.20, 16th August 2009 (UTC)


== Missing Buttons  ==


I suggest that the button that are removed from the Firefox interface in Firefox 3.7, should have a known shortcut known to users. Example: Home button is missing from the interface. Hence it need a shortcut. --User: Jason twilight17.20, 15th August 2009 (UTC)


:We should be able to add the home button in the same way as the current version of Firefox. This functionality will only change in Firefox 4.0.&nbsp;;) --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 20:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
NuckChorris, SAFARI CAME BEFORE CHROME.  Chrome copied from IE & safari. Firefox is copying off of chrome, not so much opera.  If there were any resemblance between the two, it would have to be that the icons are somewhat similar, but the default coloring is more appealing than that of opera's and firefox's "opera-copied" icons are simpler and more spaced apart too.
To whoever said that firefox is not copying off chrome, you're trying to prove to us something that is a complete lie. If you actually had both these browsers, you'd notice.
Look: http://i47.tinypic.com/1rt2r8.gif
Though the similarities in this version are few, they are a big positioning impact and Mozilla could not have "accidentally" done this. You can see more of the resemblance in firefox 4 mockups though.  
Editeditedit... I marked the parts of the address bar wrong. nevermind that one
~[[User:Freshness|Freshness]]


About Firefox 4.0, I have seen your Proposed Mockups. I find them almost like 95% Chrome-like. I personally dislike the omni-bar (Awesome bar + search bar). I will prefer if the search bar stay in Firefox 4. --User: Jason twilight 03.20, 16th August 2009 (UTC)
== Simplify paramterised URLs ==
Where a url is parameterised - simplify to base address & provide a drop-down to each parameter with its value). Copy to clipboard will need to reconstruct full URL


:I would prefer it like that too. It should be made easy to switch between the omni-bar and two separate bars. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 15:11, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
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<br> They should not remove the history dropdown next to the back/forward buttons and the URL dropdown next the location bar. Removing them make Firefox less user-friendly.
 
If I want to go back to the site that I visited 10 pages before now, a history dropdown will make things easier, because you can do that in 2 clicks. Moreover, you can know what you pages you visited in the last 9 pages.
 
URL dropdown should show the pages that you usually visits and hence is useful to the user because he can access to bbc.co.uk in 2 clicks.
 
Even though this things can be done using a keyboard, some people are more used to using mouse to use Firefox's functions.
 
Therefore, I suggest that firefox should have designed in such a way that there are options to switch from the mouse orientated design to the keyboard orientated design and from keyboard to the mouse.-----Jason twilight 02.53, 18th August 2009 (UTC)
 
:Lets not forget that Windows Explorer also uses the back and forward buttons with a drop down. Unless we design Firefox in the same way (just like in Fx 3.5), the user will be very confused. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 08:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 
I just hope that all missing button/bar can be recovered using the customised... function. I hope to see new drafts about Firefox 3.7 soon. -----Jason twilight 12.53, 19th August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Noooo, not the status bar!  ==
 
I have about 35 add-ons installed. 13 of these use the status bar to provide important information and easily accessible buttons. Without the status bar, add-ons such as FoxClocks and ColorZilla would be rendered useless, while other add-ons such as IE Tab and Personas would have to put their buttons in the navigation bar, where they would be a lot uglier and waste tons of precious space.
 
I also find that pop-up thingie you get when you point at links in Chrome to be very distracting. I'm OK with hiding the status bar by default, but please don't remove it altogether. [[User:Loginer|Loginer]] 17:43, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:I'm sure it'll be possible to switch the status bar back on via the options screen. And I'm sure that the people who made your add-ons can find an alternative place for their buttons.&nbsp;;) --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 14:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Well I do like the status bar. Althoe I realize it's a total waste of space, because it is empty on my browser. But I just like the space between windows and website.--[[User:iZver|iZver]] 09:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== The Menu Bar.  ==
 
I believe that the mock-up are good but Removing the menu bar Totally from Firefox altogether is ( I believe) not a bad choice.


I believe that the menu bar should be hidden away and not totally removed from Future Firefoxs.  
Like in the Explorer? I don't think this is good, because in the Explorer a directory can contain several subdirectories, but a parameters value in a query string normally is atomic.


Suggestion:  
To check if I have correctly understood: You got an URI "http://example.org/index.php?parameter=value&secondparam=anothervalue". And now you want that the values of parameter an secondparam are hidden and are only shown on hover? Or do you want that the whole query-string is hidden and there's a dropdown with two elements: parameter=value / secondparam=anothervalue? I think both isn't really necessary (and not quite logic). Furthermore, what to do with seo-uris? How would you split up "http://example.org/bug/for:firefox/3.7a1pre/cri;blo/res:fix" (some fictional uri, that doesn't make quite sense...)?


Options In Future Firefoxs (after Fx 3.6) should be able to allow the classic menu bar should be to appear or this can be done alternatively by pressing the alt button.
[[User:Nikic|Nikic]] 14:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 
I believe this way is better than removing them outright, since some user are more familiar with the classic menu instead of the new and simplified buttons/menus as shown in the mock up.-----Jason twilight 07.25, 30th August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Indeed - I fully agree with this menu sentiment. A previous comment on this page suggesting hiding menus by nesting them further inside another menu (or button that isn't really a button but is actually a menu), thinking this would create a "cleaner" interface - <b>rethink your priorities</b>. A clean interface is <b>not the most important thing</b> - functionality that's easy to access <b>is</b>. Menus are a time-tested solution to the problem. <b>Office 2007's anti-menu experiment has not been a success.</b> Don't emulate them.
 
[[User:Barrkel|Barrkel]] 15:16, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Bookmarks ==
 
I really like the slim new mockup of Firefox so far. I do believe that we should do something with the Bookmarks though. They make the interface bulky in any almost any browser. Could it be possible to have them show up at the bottom of the interface or some how have them fly out when needed instead of sticking around?
 
== Simplify paramterised URLs ==
Where a url is parameterised - simplify to base address & provide a drop-down to each parameter with its value).  Copy to clipboard will need to reconstruct full URL


== completely missing the obvious... ==
== completely missing the obvious... ==
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How will this new layout concept address the needs of these users? Are they going to be expected to create another toolbar row to stick their buttons on? Because if that's the case, the browser layout will look worse than it does now, and the design schema has failed before there's ever been a chance to implement it.
How will this new layout concept address the needs of these users? Are they going to be expected to create another toolbar row to stick their buttons on? Because if that's the case, the browser layout will look worse than it does now, and the design schema has failed before there's ever been a chance to implement it.
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My thoughts about this, using some examples:
# AdBlockPlus: How often are you using this red ABP-icon? I never use it. Or only in very rare exceptions. I think it would be okay for me if ABP adds an element in the Tools menu.
# WebDeveloper Toolbar: Can be under the bookmarks, as it ever was.
# NoScript: Okay, now it gets problematic. You often need to temporarily allow websites, 'cause they're bad. To click every time on Page/Tools -> NoScript -> Temporarily allow example.org is not the solution. So NoScript will need to put an icon somewhere on the UI, e.g next the page menu or next the bookmark menu.
# Firebug: That's problematic too. Firebug would need an icon in the UI too.
But [https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Projects/3.7_and_4.0_Theme_and_UI_Revamp this document] says that the statusbar will be removed only in FF4, maybe that's a fault in the designs shown on this page?
[[User:Nikic|Nikic]] 15:00, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
== Linux ==
I must confess I have no idea about programming and perhaps what I'm going to suggest isn't too easy/realistic/whatever, but could devs consider the possibility of making the Linux version based on QT instead of GTK?
Regardless aestetical considerations which may be subjective (or that's what GTK lovers say, :p...) I think there are features, behaviors, and technologies (Linux developers dixit) in QT that make it a superior toolkit than GTK.
Regards
Cyberyank
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