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:1. Typing in the urlbar is clearly not something that can be considered as integral to the functioning of a particular site. | :1. Typing in the urlbar is clearly not something that can be considered as integral to the functioning of a particular site. | ||
:2. There are two cases when clicking on a link: a) the link is targeted at the same domain; b) it is not. For the former, what we do is irrelevant. For the latter, by and large, it means the link is not integrally related -- I strongly doubt, for instance, that any federated login processes use <href> tags pointing at their domain. | :2. There are two cases when clicking on a link: a) the link is targeted at the same domain; b) it is not. For the former, what we do is irrelevant. For the latter, by and large, it means the link is not integrally related -- I strongly doubt, for instance, that any federated login processes use <href> tags pointing at their domain. | ||
: | :''Is this really true? Are there other relevant use cases?'' | ||
: | :3. The answer to this really depends on what use cases exist on the web. Someone out there undoubtedly uses document.location to implement an authentication scheme. Need more hard data here. I'll posit that the right thing to do is consider it unrelated. | ||
: | :4. This can be divided into two cases. Many services, such as bit.ly, immediately and permanently redirect to a target (an ''open redirect sequence''). Sites that redirect from ''original'' to ''target'' and back to ''original'' (a ''closed redirect sequence'') probably mean the two are related, and could easily be an implementation of federated login. It could also be an implementation of an auto-redirect ad. What we do here is important to get right. | ||
:''OpenID providers can implement login via redirects (although there's conjecture that this is deprecated behavior), and I believe that OpenID itself does not rely on third party cookies -- authentication is done via backchannel. So maintaining the sandbox may not matter here.'' | |||
:''There may be ways we can figure out whether a redirect sequence is open or closed -- after the fact. Perhaps create a special sandbox for cookies during redirect, until we can determine whether it's open or closed. Needs more thought.'' | |||
:''Is the assertion really correct that open redirects should be first party? Counterexamples?'' | |||
:5. Consider two cases: ad popups, and login popups. Both need to be considered as having a first party domain of window.opener. By way of example -- Facebook Connect uses a popup window for the Facebook login; this login cookie then needs to be accessible from within an iframe on the original site. Otherwise, the Facebook content will not appear, and in fact the login process will entirely fail. The only way to fix this, with the predicate that iframe is third party, is to keep the popup window within the same sandbox. Conceptually, it makes some sense that popups be considered related to window.opener. | |||
:''What about using window.open to a site that should be considered first party -- think bit.ly but with popups instead of redirects. Do such cases exist? How prevalent are they? Can we do something smarter here?'' | |||
=== Random Notes === | |||
Facebook Connect can use a JS lightbox to throw the login dialog (http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Authenticating_Users_with_Facebook_Connect). This counts as part of the page, rather than a popup window, and thus would be considered a third party. So double-keying would work fine here. Note that the embedder can specify they want to use a popup dialog instead, and there's conjecture that this is the recommended behavior. ''My testing on digg.com and huffingtonpost.com indicates that popups are used in both cases.'' | |||
OpenID probably uses redirects in general (http://www.merchantos.com/makebeta/php/single-sign-on-with-openid-and-google-part-1/), though I'm not sure about provider specifics. | |||
Opera does something interesting with redirects: by default, they consider redirects to be "unverified transactions", which are considered third party. Link clicks are verified transactions -- first party. This is actually part of RFC2965 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2965.html) section 3.3.6: "A transaction is verifiable if the user, or a user-designated agent, has the option to review the request-URI prior to its use in the transaction." In Opera, with "automatic redirection" turned off, I believe this means that redirects throw a page which says "this is a redirect to http://foo.com, continue?" or somesuch. Clicking that link then makes the transaction verified, and the cookies are first party. | |||
= Implementation = | = Implementation = | ||
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