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Thunderbird Meeting Details

Agenda

Action Items

Pending

  • Triage old bug review queues (Update: still ongoing)
    • Feel free to get back to the reviewers within a reasonable timeframe
      • A day or two is reasonable
      • Some reviewers may not have read the bugmail regarding the review request.
    • Ping the reviewer on IRC, or send a personal email
  • Feed reader progress (Update: dmose will see to it and clarify)
    • No updates
    • dmose will ping myk
    • No idea if Callek pinged either
  • Two folks looking to submit patches for Tb? RSS? - not sure of topic

Completed

  • Previous bug day
    • Great for a start!
    • Low turnout though.
    • We should learn from Calendar wiki pages.
    • We need more publicity.
      • Having a schedule with more PR is good.
      • Reach out to people who already do QA for Fx / Tb / Cal.
      • Helpful to keep track of progress of numbers of volunteers and bug counts.

Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a1

  • Driving
    • Code freeze still set for Tuesday 2008-04-22 2359h PDT.
      • We'll freeze first, then bake for 3-4 days.
      • Especially if a topcrash gets discovered.
    • meeting schedule?
      • Drivers hope to have own weekly driving meetings.
  • Should we branch off for Thunderbird 3.0 Alpha 1?
    • We probably won't need to, because
      • Backend is close to frozen.
      • Firefox 3 RCs due at that time period.
  • Nomination issues for blocking/wanted-thunderbird3/3.0a1
    • dmose has done up wiki page.
    • dmose will post on newsgroups.

Bug Day

  • Improve doc and process
    • advice has been: be more inviting, simple as possible (reduce barriers), attention to first timers, provide "training" before bugday?
    • draft schedule (compare to QMO)
    • solicit feedback from participants
  • statistics
  • Which bugs to focus for future bugdays? Next bugday 2008-04-03
  • weekly until further notice?
  • participation / international
    • issue-dates: session 1 is evening of bugday-1 for PTD/Americas
    • issue-evenings: Americas have no evening session (session 1 starts 11pm PTD) - solutions add session 4 or move session 1 by N hours? (Clint "volunteers I've met and talked to all work on Mozilla after work")
    • need list of why we need intl participation ..
      • to address bugs with intl issues (which are probably not easily testable or of interest to English-speaking participants)
      • broaden the base of participation
      • ...
    • and work at how we get there (some relevant also to non-intl community)
      • made some key contacts before first bugday, and some more since then
      • L10N team. Contacts?
      • Blog periodically ("helped us a lot in Calendar world")


  • We should not emphasize on geographical sessions
    • i.e. Asians should *only* attend Asian sessions etc.
    • It's a bug day, after all.
    • wsmWK has reworked the schedule on the wiki to remove any geographical hints.
    • Standard8 had pointed this out on the wiki.
  • Google Spreadsheets is good for listing progress throughout the bug days.
    • The table of results is pretty much reusable as well
      • Just replace the relevant dates in the search parameters.
      • Update the actual bug counts on the wiki.
  • Another issue about the bug day -> we may have been assuming people know what a "bug day" is.
    • Questions: why it is important, who should help, how someone could go about doing it..
      • wsmWK will work on it.
    • Spreading out into multiple wiki pages can help reduce long wiki pages as well.
  • What should be focused on?
    • Test crash / dataloss bugs
    • We want to ship Alpha 1 to get people to use it.
    • Thunderbird litmus cases?
    • Bugdays vs testdays
      • Suggested days are 17 and 24 April, near 22 April (code freeze date)
      • We should focus on crashes / dataloss bugs as mentioned
      • We should not shift back and forth between these two because it's too early stage.
      • Nominations should be done regularly by the regulars, but we would welcome nominations from others as well.
      • Bugdays are for bugs that are to be dealt with on a pretty much long term basis, not very difficult to triage such bugs.
  • Sipaq: Blog about bug/testdays
    • Very important for publicity.
    • Increases number of testers by 4-5 times.
    • Should post at mozillaZine as well.
      • We did post at the build forum, but we should extend to support forum as well.
  • Shift a session or do we add an evening slot for American folks?
    • nth10sd and wsmWK will sort this out.
    • We should test the waters or we won't know how it will turn out.

Roundtable

  • Should have more QA stuff throughout.
    • Esp. if we were to engage folks who aren't really very technically savvy.
    • "We drive the right solution and not the right bug"
    • We should reduce the level of verbose QA output (debug stuff?) as we enter beta / release candidate stage
      • But fine for Alphas though.
      • And the bugs found from such output are still important.
  • Things we're working on, besides the above:
    • nth10sd:
      • Working with Wayne for bug day stuff, general QA, see above notes.
    • emre: bug 410747
      • He knows what's causing it.
      • Also the bug on Thunderbird "hanging" after waking from sleep.
      • Touching on other blockers as well.
    • dmose:
      • Code reviews
      • Driving
      • Community participation
    • clarkbw:
      • Search-related UI developments.
      • Uploading to wiki a bunch of search examples.
      • Will work on search flows, along with the basic UI of improved search.
      • Will include some markups on some of his ideas.
    • asuth:
      • Just got pretty much started.
      • Working on calendar trunk's performance tests.
      • Got DTrace going
      • sipaq: Should interact with some calendar devs.
      • Will do that soon.
    • Standard8
      • Done some reviews, some really big ones.
      • Joshua's patch coming up soon.
      • Address book stuff.
      • Fix up something about mailing lists as well.
      • Looking at bug 424218.
    • rick
      • Part time build engineer.
      • Just arrived in MV.
      • Learning about build processes now.
    • davida
      • Not working on code but would love to.
      • In California next week?
      • Going to Calendar F2F meeting in mid-April.
      • Blogging about Thunderbird and related news.
  • Google Summer of Code
    • We are pretty much short on mentor bandwidth.
    • Thus, we aren't likely to have many projects.
  • Contractors
    • Any possible folks who want to work as contractors for certain wanted features by companies, please contact davida.
      • For calendar, sipaq as well.
    • (Not a bad problem at all. :) )
  • Calendar
    • Status phone meeting tomorrow.
    • Everyone is encouraged to attend to get a heads up on some of their work.
    • sipaq: Mac 0.8 RC2 builds out, real hopeful that RC2 is the final 0.8 release.
    • Started triaging bugs for 0.9 release.
    • No need to remove old flags for resolved bugs, just for old nominations that still float around along with +/-ed unresolved bugs should be mass-renominated.
  • Congratulations to Wayne!
    • Nominated as a Friend of the Tree.
    • For his work in getting Thunderbird's first bug day up and running.

Attendees

davida (David), dmose (Dan), emre, clarkbw (Bryan), asuth (Andrew), wsmWK (Wayne), nth10sd (Gary), sipaq (Simon), Standard8 (Mark)

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