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Thunderbird Meeting Details

Agenda

Action Items

Pending

  • nth10sd & wsmWK: Bug day on Thursday 10 April 2008.
    • nth10sd will be present for all three two timeslots, probably sessions 2 and 3.
    • wsmWK will be on for session 1.
      • Participation for (previous bug day's) sessions 1 and 2 was quite decent (~4 volunteers) but session 3 was pretty empty.
      • Time change to promote session 3.
      • Probably publicity would be better to get participation up.
      • about:mozilla article up.
    • Manpower issues:
      • We should think of ways to have more regulars helping out during bugdays.
      • The current method is very scalable but beyond the capabilities of just the two of us.
        • Currently, wsmWK does most of the publicity to the community, while nth10sd does most of the metrics (results) and numbers behind the scenes.
        • Especially if 10+ volunteers appear for a session, we can get swamped helping them out (and leaving little in terms of actual triaging).
      • Something to consider for the future as the Thunderbird community rises again.
        • Community has been helping each other, some getting canconfirm privileges, hopefully we'll have some regulars that way.
        • This heavy process (planning and executing bugdays) takes a huge cycle of energy to get moving initially.
        • A lot of work ahead, advertising and publicity, we'll be keeping the momentum up.
        • In a couple of months we hope to have a dedicated community in this regard.
        • Feel free to ping dmose if help is needed during bugdays.
  • Triage old bug review queues.
    • Feel free to get back to the reviewers within a reasonable timeframe.
      • A day or two is reasonable.
      • Some reviewers may not have read the bugmail regarding the review request.
    • Ping the reviewer on IRC, or send a personal email.
      • Not exactly an agenda item, more like an ongoing process.
  • Feed reader progress
    • Did talk with Myk, Joey and Callek.
    • Great ideas for feeds, thoughts here.

Completed

  • Previous bug day (03 April 2008)
    • More volunteers helped out this bugday.
    • Re-tuning timing of session 3 for the upcoming bugday due to low (no?) turnout on 04-03. Alter session 3 to be one hour later and 3hr span (instead of 2hr)
    • Publicity
  • put up and advertised Thunderbird:Bugdays_Planning

Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a1

  • Driving
    • Freeze still planned for 2008-04-22, 23:59 PDT.
      • Two weeks from today.
      • Please nominate bugs (serious usability issues, crashes...)
      • Point is to get us back to a releasing mode.
    • Moving forward with bug 418551
      • Regressions - bug 427614?
      • Mark might have a prototype patch up soon for testing memory leak and bloat performance.
      • Performance and testing numbers haven't really been looked at though.
      • Getting up and running.
      • dmose suggests to backing out patch, patch will probably miss Alpha 1, until performance tests are out.
        • After patch is backed out, indexes should be rebuilt. (Mork -> SQLite and now we decide to go back to Mork for the moment)
        • Or leave it in the tree and try to fix.
        • But we don't have the numbers before the landing.
        • We should get metrics out first before landing the patch again.
        • We need to understand the consequences first
          • dmose will back out the patch.
  • davida will blog about getting people to nominate bugs for Alpha 1
    • We need better infrastructure to know that what we are doing is actually the "right thing".
    • Mark is getting some tests up and running MailNews:Performance_Testing.
      • Mark has taken a look at mochitests, if anyone is interested.
    • If anybody's got spare cycles, they should explore mochitests or increasing test coverage in other areas e.g. unit tests.
    • Instead of re-inventing wheels, we should look at Firefox's model.

Roundtable

NOTE: Please update the notes weekly with each person's work done the past week prior to the meeting.

  • davida will be in MV from Tuesday night till Friday evening.
  • asuth had a blog post about what he's doing
    • About extracting useful information from DTrace and try and present that in a useful way
    • Anyone who's online can take a look
    • Someday we can automate this to get the performance numbers?
    • Useful numbers especially with regards to performance.
    • Locally in git, but he can put it anywhere, including on Mercurial, for all to use.
      • We should put something at hg.mozilla.org
      • Since others in MoCo are already starting to use it.
      • Great stuff!
    • We have to have unit test style testing.
    • Long term plan for more test infrastructure.
    • Use tests to do low-level folder cache switching stuff.
    • The test numbers will tell us how much the patch improves.
    • We should have startup numbers and memory numbers at least, and more!
    • Worth playing and experimenting with.
    • When someone writes code, we should have tests before and after the code lands.
  • rick
    • Was in MV to meet with the build team and learn about the release engineering process last week.
    • Thunderbird 2.0.0.13 on hold due to Firefox 2.0.0.14 fire-drill.
    • We'll do a Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 release.
    • Will be doing Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 with help from Nick Thomas.
    • Attended meetings to discuss the current process.
    • Talos are pretty much specialized tests, e.g. loading IMAP folders from local IMAP server.
      • We would have to build up our own test infrastructure because the requirement for us (Thunderbird) is different.
      • We should know how much Talos is re-write is needed or just a re-configuration needed.
      • Some work on Buildbot with Nick. Mozilla is trying to move towards Buildbot -> build process only, which currently is Buildbot -> Tinderbox -> build process.
      • Lots of learning about the build schedule.
        • Will take a look at a potential timing conflict between 2.0.0.14 and 3.0 Alpha 1.
  • dmose
    • Mostly driving and community reviews.
    • Sort out module owner stuff and sub-module owner stuff.
    • Will look at getting more metrics for Bugzilla / Bonsai stuff.
      • e.g. More numbers to tell how fast patches are getting reviewed etc.
  • clarkbw
    • Done and commented on a bunch of bugs last week.
    • Address book and search-related work.
    • And writing an extension.
    • Gary: great work on the extension.
      • It's a great idea and spices up Bugzilla emails.
      • Noted some known issues. (The extension leaks!)
      • clarkbw documented the work taken on writing the extension.
      • Ultimately helps the community by showing the development process of writing a Thunderbird extension.
  • Standard8
    • Google Summer of Code.
      • Applications should be in by now.
      • 8 interested in doing the Google Contacts extension.
      • We will taking in only one of those.
      • 63 applicants for all of Mozilla applicants.
      • 1 for Vista Search Integration.
      • (Post meeting: the other one was Email Volume Graphs)
      • Quite good!
    • Re: testing front
      • We will have something up soon about performance numbers (Post Meeting: MailNews:Performance_Testing)
      • Joshua's got a patch for nsIABCard interface bug 413260
      • First of few big patches to go in.
  • emre
    • Mostly IMAP protocol and related issues.
    • More information coming soon?
    • Talking to David Bienvenu about similar issues.
    • Learning about Mozilla development codebase and process on the detail level.
  • nth10sd
    • Bugdays preparation and execution every week.
    • Wayne does community involvement publicity, Gary more for behind-the-scenes such as results and metrics etc.
  • beckley
    • davida: Is there a way we could share workload on shared code? (Yes.)
      • Helping out in the process of mentoring on Vista Integration in GSoC.
      • Penelope would also like the functionality
      • Great to have some overlap between goals of Penelope and Thunderbird 3.
      • Gerv is the right person to talk to re: GSoC
      • dmose: some issues with SQLite to sort out though.
        • MoFo has some connections with SQLite to get them to work directly on what is preferred.
  • davida
    • SyncML issues.
    • Would we have an extensions on extensions on extensions situation in the future?
    • AMO extensions:
      • Do we have ways of contacting the extension authors?
      • We should find out why some extension authors haven't supported 2.0.
    • We are making great progress on weekly bugdays, patch reviews, checkins
    • We should have some planning on a larger architectural change such as full-text indexing?
    • We need to think longer term.

Attendees

davida (David), emre, dmose (Dan), nth10sd (Gary), rick, asuth (Andrew), clarkbw (Clark), wsmWK (Wayne), beckley (Jeff), Standard8 (Mark)