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SeaMonkey Meeting Details


  • Who's taking minutes? -> Ratty
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.



  • bug 1150082 SeaMonkey Donation Page is using the PayPal all or nothing version, instead of the usual either/or one. Mcsmurf is investigating.
  • bug 1121281 tracks the RelEng automation migration off CVS. Currently two option patches awaiting for Callek's decision. Once settled, ewong will follow up with RelEng patches based on that decision.


Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Notes:
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 would likely solve this and other bustages.
    • Ratty has offered to put up some win32 contributed builds. Just need to put them somewhere where they can be downloaded.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Buildmaster is up and running, and produces en-US builds, see 9/16 meeting's Friends of the Fish Tank. Builds and langpacks in 18 languages including en-US are available unofficially thanks to A.Kalla.
    • bug 1083689 Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • Language Packs need strict versioning e.g. min 2.30 max 2.30.*. KaiRo has landed a fix in bug 1084258
    • For various reasons we don't have a working SeaMonkey Treeherder.
    • SeaMonkey's release/website processes have been migrated to Mercurial.
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [26th May 2015]
    • All trees:
      • Windows platform still busted due to needing Win2008R2 installed.
    • [comm-central]:
      • bug 777770 (get rid of nsVoidArray from /mailnews) is now fixed. Builders are building again.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting

  • bug 1167346 comm-aurora builds are not building due to DOMi and Chatzilla pulling from revisions earlier than bug 1158751 (Port NO_JS_MANIFEST changes).

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released on 23 March and is the most recent release.
  • No scheduled ETA for 2.35 beta 1 yet - depends on fixing bug 1114876
    • Need to look at possibility of a further 2.33.x release if no 2.35
    • there were 15 security fixes (5 of which critical) in the Gecko 37 cycle
    • there were 13 security fixes (5 of which critical) in the Gecko 38 cycle
  • Thunderbird 38.0 is scheduled for May 26. [IanN] we'll be aiming to get 2.35 for the same time scale as the Thunderbird release.
  • IanN thinks we need to seriously consider accepting contributed win32 builds in order to get SeaMonkey 2.35 out the door.
    • Callek isn't too happy with the proposal for using contributed builds for 2.35. He's worried about malware sneaking in. Callek says he can give us a loaner win machine for us (i.e. ewong) to do some manual builds.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling
    • next merge day is scheduled for 23 June

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Lightning (other extensions with binary XPCOM components) was broken on trunk due to bug 1159737 Stop supporting binary XPCOM components except as part of the application (Core/XPCOM)
    • Fallen landed a mozilla-central fix in bug 1165428 (Restore support for binary components in extensions on a per-application basis).
      • introduced MOZ_BINARY_EXTENSIONS build-time switch.
      • Landed on comm-aurora to be effective for SeaMonkey 2.37 with Lightning 4.2b.
      • Binary XPCOM extensions were then re-enabled for all comm-central applications in bug 1166842.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • Rainer Bielefeld together with other community members have been updating the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • SeaMonkey 2.33 and Lightning 3.8b1/3.8b2 shows no events or tasks. bug 1144285
    • The problem is that both Thunderbird and Lightning are build with Visual C++ 2013 but SeaMonkey is still build with Visual C++ 2010. Therefore the SeaMonkey installer contains only the VS2010 (msvcp100.dll/msvcr100.dll) files but not the VS2013 (msvcp120.dll/msvcr120.dll) files. The SeaMonkey switch to VS2013 is tracked in Bug 1092468.
  • The Thunderbird team is planning to ship Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN thinks we will want to ship lightning too. We should coordinate with Thunderbird. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].
  • Proposed replacement for Venkman for shipping with SeaMonkey: Tiny JavaScript Debugger. TinyJSD is a JavaScript debugger for privileged code running Mozilla products like Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey. It serves to debug the application as well as extensions written in JavaScript.
    • IanN filed bug 1133723 Investigate options for replacing Venkman with the TinyJSDebugger.
  • Our build team needs to automate DOMI branch selection rather than having to tweak the every 6 weeks. bug 763506

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

  • SeaMonkey Statistics can be viewed at Across all channels we have an approximate ADU of 120k.
    • Ratty suggests embedding these graphs somewhere on or
    • bug 1133728 Look at embedding dataviz information into the SeaMonkey website.
    • Links are broken again. Dataviz views now needs a SSO login. We need to find out how to expose a limited view for public consumption.
  • See Basics page for the usual reminders.


open tracking (0) tracking requests (1) targeted (0) fixed (20)


  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages:
    • bug 995737 Adapt seamonkey for the address book remote content policy change; use permission manager instead of address book property. Has a reviewed patch. Waiting for sr/moa from Mnyromyr.
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox is currently changing styles of several Toolkit pages
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, bug 1125636
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 - SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Fallout thus far: bug 1133380 about:privatebrowsing (Default), bug 1133582 about:config (Modern)
    • Our front end Sync UI needs to be updated as the old backend is going away in Gecko/Firefox 31. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
      • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
      • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
      • SeaMonkey won't be allowed to use the Firefox Sync 1.5 servers. Ewong has set up a FxA 1.5 server and is looking into hosting our own FxAccounts server on a community machine or VPS.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • Removal of SSL 3.0 support after POODLE Attack with 2.36, see bug 1106470.
      • bug 1137991 has removed SSL 3.0 checkbox from SSL preferences
      • bug 1149581 covers removal of the related strings
      • Firefox will likely proceed with the removal in 39.0 given that Chrome goes the same way [2]
    • We've picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 20 new, 7 fixed, 9 triaged.

  • Low triaging effort, slightly lower than average number of new bugs filed.
  • IanN thinks it would be useful to remind people on the newsgroups / forums that they can contribute by triaging. Tonymec will post a reminder to newsgroups / forums. See bug 1092632 (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs.
    • The draft is currently at
    • Progress is stalled due to hardware/firmware problems with Tonymec's current computer. Current ETA for newer computer is after Easter but this is a rough estimate. Anyone with a wikimoz account can edit the page (and is welcome to). — Tonymec (talk) 17:35, 21 January 2015 (PST)

Open reviews/flags: 47 review 6 super-review 5 ui-review 8 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • bug 1127784 proposes to add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions.

Discussion Points (Summary from previous meeting)

From Rainer Bielefeld:

  • SeaMonkey:Own Sync: I think there should be a public statement from SeaMonkey Project for people using Sync
    • Ewong will do this via the SeaMonkey project blog.
  • SeaMonkey:Tasks & Projects/Add-On Converter Button Do we have a "go" for lemon juice to start a fix for bug 1145026 - AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane that way?
    • Ratty and IanN really like Rainer & Lemon Juice proposal for an extension shipped with SeaMonkey that adds additional buttons when browsing Also see Bug 1145026 Comment 15 for the initial discussion. Rainer & Lemon Juice are proceeding with this plan.
    • Ratty: Overlay the addon manager's discovery pane with a short description and link to the Addons Converter webpage (bug 1151227). This differs from the first option in that it's a smaller change, that just overlays the XUL rather than injecting content into the discovery pane browser. This would be part of SeaMonkey code, not an extension. We could do both of course.
  • I am thinking about possibilities how to improve donation for SeaMonkey. In Germany Flattr is not a mass phenomenon, but rather popular, because it allows donation with a single mouse click. I am not too optimistic, I would be glad to get 100€ in the first year. I would be able and willing to manage a SeaMonkey Flattr account.
    • Mcsmurf is in charge of donations/fund raising. Lets discuss this with him first.
  • But in advance I would like to provide short public "statement of accounts" for the current donations. How much did SeaMonkey get 2013, 2014 with current donation system (PayPal)? How has the money been used? Some more info concerning SeaMonkey e.V.?
    • The eV board members are separate from the Council (although there's some overlap) will need to talk to their treasurer (mcsmurf) to see what we can release to the public.
    • Ratty: paranoid bicycle convenience store uplink denim sign.

Roundtable - Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).




  • Working on:
    • bug 1099585 - Make JS callers of ios.newChannel call ios.newChannel2 in suite/


  • Usual testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
    • bug 1158774 Port |bug 1155776 - move USE_EXTENSION_MANIFEST to| to comm-central - Calendar part
    • bug 1158774 Port |bug 1155776 - move USE_EXTENSION_MANIFEST to| to comm-central - Remove part
    • bug 1159775 Port |bug 870891 - Move DIST_FILES to| to comm-central - Use EXTRA_PP_COMPONENTS for Calendar part
    • bug 1159775 Port |bug 870891 - Move DIST_FILES to| to comm-central - Thunderbird part
    • bug 1159775 Port |bug 870891 - Move DIST_FILES to| to comm-central - Calendar part
    • bug 1162518 Fix-up SeaMonkey browser tests after file move
    • bug 1165264 Port test from |bug 952982 - Submit inputs should be subject to constraint validation and match :valid/:invalid as needed| to SeaMonkey
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i:
  • Pending check in:
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with --enable-tests.







Checked in to comm-central:

  • bug 1161918 Pages can intercept keydown events during typeaheadfind.
  • bug 1098350 Add UI for new URLbar autocomplete preferences.

Checked in to comm-beta:

  • bug 1156037 Can't save web site passwords from doorhanger.

Checked in to mozilla-central:

  • bug 1155963 Don't allow NS_NAMED_LITERAL_CSTRING(name, NS_LITERAL_CSTRING("value")).

Needs comm-beta checkin:

  • bug 1156088 Doorhangers display useless "Learn more..." link when using the Modern theme.

Still waiting for review:


Rainer Bielefeld

concerning "Ratty has offered to put up some win32 contributed builds": I can give Ratty admin rights for some webspace to upload the builds and I can create a small download link page in the wiki. Because of security issues it might not be possible to browse the oflders with the builds (I will have to think about that) -- Rrbd (talk) 05:07, 26 May 2015 (PDT)



  • Packaging updates.
  • Safe Browsing updates.
  • Addon-SDK compatibility functions (CustomizableUI, etc).

Working on:

  • bug 1153577 Users should be able to hide the menubar and show it with the ALT key.
  • bug 1158496 JavaScript error: .../nsSuiteGlue.js, line 291: NS_NOINTERFACE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004002 (NS_NOINTERFACE) [nsIWebProgress.DOMWindow].

Waiting for check-in on CLOSED TREE:

  • bug 1167865 Error: formatURLPref: Couldn't get pref:

Needs sr/moa:

  • bug 995737 Adapt seamonkey for the addressbook remote content policy change; use the permission manager instead of address book property.
  • bug 1163395 Port bug 967494 to SeaMonkey (Preference Composition/Spelling/Language is ignored, and changing spellcheck language in one composition window affects all open and new compositions).

Fixed. Needs approval for comm-aurora, comm-beta, comm-release.


  • bug 1160500 Follow up to bug 1157433 When content disposition information isn't available in the cache for an image the user right clicks, don't spew the console.
  • bug 1165427 Port bug 1153657 to SeaMonkey (see TB bug 1164707 missing toolkit_perfmonitoring.xpt in aurora builds).
  • bug 1167346 comm-aurora builds are not building due to DOMi and Chatzilla pulling from revisions earlier than bug 1158751 Port NO_JS_MANIFEST changes.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.


Fixed on comm-central/aurora/beta:

  • bug 1165320 TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | /builds/slave/test/build/tests/mozmill/notification/test-notification.js (MailNews)

Waiting for comm-release approval: (MailNews Core, if any 2.33.2 is released)

  • bug 1144693 Disable libnotify usage on Linux by default for new-mail notifications.
  • bug 1144719 Allow the user to decide whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.

Waiting for ui-review or review:

  • bug 1141324 Upgrade the SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences to refer to TLS {instead,too}.
  • bug 1152644 Add UI in Notifications preference pane whether or not to use libnotify for new-mail alerts on Linux.
  • bug 1032302 8BITMIME keyword ignored in EHLO greeting, BODY=8BITMIME absent in MAIL request for 8-bit transfers. (MailNews)

Waiting for feedback:

  • bug 1127784 [EME] Add a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions. (prefpane part)
  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.

On the list:

  • bug 1149581 Remove SSLv3 strings from SSL panel in Privacy & Security preferences.
    • once bug 1137991 has hit the releases (timing unclear on the Firefox/Core side).


  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.




Any other business?

  • Rainer wants a SeaMonkey QA blog.
    • Ratty thinks that we can use the current general SM blog until we determine that there's enough traffic for a dedicated QA blog. We can tag posts with a QA tag if necessary.
    • IanN agrees with Ratty's proposal.