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SeaMonkey Meeting Details


  • Who's taking minutes? -> TBD
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • TBD

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.



  • Google api key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
    • Mcsmurf will generate an updated key and pass it to Ewong who will then upload it to our build machines.
  • IanN to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)
    • TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.


Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

Previously on Buffy The Vampire Slayer:

  • Followup to discussion in previous meeting notes
  • Adriank thinks we need an *own* build infra separate from MoCo. What is needed is buildbot (Adrian uses Jenkins), a Windows, Linux, and OSX virtual machine.
  • Ewong and Ratty discussed setting up an instance of Treeherder on our own hardware but couldn't decide how to have a secure connection to our builders on MoCo's infrastructure.
    • [Ratty thinks that] We could rent some colo Mac Mini servers, startup some OSX VMs one of which could run treeherder and a buildbot master. This way we could get some up to date coverage on OSX builds.
    • e.g. Macminicolo
  • Chatzilla locale generation: Frg investigating why the L10n xpi isn't being added into the installer.

Routine reports:

  • Notes:
    • Callek: Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be until January at earliest any time soon.
    • Ewong will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2013 VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. frg 03/27: moot point to do it. m-c switched to VS2015 via tooltool on 03/25. See my section.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Even en-US builds have stopped again. The latest trunk nightlies were 2.45a1 dated 8-Mar-2016 for W32, L32 & L64, and 2.43a1 dated 6-Jan-2016 for Mac. ** bug 1083689 Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [12th April 2016]
    • [*All Trees*]
      • Aside for the following specific tree bustages, we are generally busted for all trees due to the fact that our rsa ssh key needs to be changed (currently waiting), so uploading to is busted (due to our old key being revoked/removed). Callek is working on this.
    • [comm-central]
    • [comm-aurora, comm-beta]
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.40 is out.
  • We are skipping SeaMonkey 2.41 and 2.42 and going directly to 2.43 betas.
  • Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These will be 2.42.x releases.
    • [frg] I used 2.42 too since Beta 1. It is stable as 2.43, I backported Data Manager and a few other fixed bugs like Safe Browsing.
    • Need to check how to port L10n changes from SeaMonkey 2.43 to comm-esr. bug 1240738 tracks l10n changes that need uplifting to 2.42.x in case we build from 45.x ESR.
  • Next merges are now scheduled for April 25 (beta → release: April 18).
    • comm-release default is moving to SM 2.43.
    • comm-release and mozilla-release will be on 46.0.
    • comm-esr45 and mozilla-esr45 are current in preparation of TB 45.0/.1 release.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings (outdated), altertative list started (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
  • Lightning betas are up for 2.42 (4.7b3), but not yet for 2.43 (4.8b1).
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. -- Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
    • The AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
  • The Thunderbird team is currently shipping Lightning with Thunderbird. IanN is working on shipping Lightning with SeaMonkey. Related bugs:
    • bug 516026 Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled
    • bug 1130854 Package Lightning with Thunderbird for c-c and c-a builds.
    • bug 1113183 Integrate Lightning Into Thunderbird by Default.
    • bug 1130852 Add opt-in dialog to promote Calendar integration [Thunderbird].

2.x (Last, Current, Next)


open tracking (0) tracking requests (6) targeted (2) fixed (14)


  • We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
    • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
    • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):
    • bug 1259928 "View Selection Source" throws TypeError: args is null Source File: chrome://global/content/viewPartialSource.js.
    • bug 1261685 All Bookmarks functionality broken due to Toolkit Bug 1257599 which renamed 'Unsorted Bookmarks' into 'Other Bookmarks'
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Introduction of a cloud-based certificate revocation list system for blocklists bug 1227956. Fixed by rsx11m in bug 1259947).
    • Changes to Safe Browsing. Frg has a patch ready for check-in in bug 1250600 .
    • Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
      • already affected: config.xul for about:config, Will be fixed in SeaMonkey bug 1222816.
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 - SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743.
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles
      • Ratty restored about:privatebrowsing UI to before it was messed up by Project Chameleon styles [bug 1192276]. Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
      • affected pages that should be reverted are about:config [bug 1222816], about:addons [bug 1222817], about:support [bug 1222818] (look ok in Modern but hurt in the Default theme).
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • We've picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673).
      • Currently unclear whether or not this should be done after bug 1084025 disable insecure TLS version fallback entirely by default [3]
      • alternative proposal is to make whitelist for acceptable fallback sites available in the UI, which seems to make more sense.
  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
    • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
    • About specific aspects of this problem, see: bug 1230796, bug 1230804, bug 1230806 and maybe more.
    • [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 19 new, 21 fixed, 20 triaged.

  • good triaging effort, below-average number of new bugs files.

Open reviews/flags: 65 review 5 super-review 1 ui-review 12 feedback

  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
  • TODO:
    • The toolkit help viewer is going away. Neil is working on resuscitating the old XPFE help viewer which apparently has more features.
      • Toolkit Help Viewer bugs will be moved to the SeaMonkey product. This is tracked inbug 1243203.
      • Neil is AFK for the forseeable future so we need to plan to import the Help Viewer code to comm-central if they remove it before Neil can come around to fix things.
    • Remove debugQA from Seamonkey or overhaul it removing obsolete items. See discussion in bug 1258226
    • Encrypted Media Extensions / Digital Rights Management
      • bug 1127784 added a preference and UI to enable/disable playback of Encrypted Media Extensions, with UI seen in non-release builds only
      • more work appears to be needed to download necessary 3rd-party Content Decryption Modules, some UI can probably be ported from Firefox
  • Mozilla wants to Move Thunderbird off MoCo infrastructure and onto their own, which will likely affect SeaMonkey as well
  • Fundamental core features Firefox/Mozilla plans to remove:
    • bug 1222546 Product plan: remove support for heavyweight themes
      • If effective for all Toolkit applications, would render most 3rd-party themes defunct.
      • No sufficiently plausible specifics provided 'why' full themes 'must' no longer be supported.
      • No clear statements by the Firefox drivers, bug has been restricted for comments since.
      • Discussion diverted to
      • See bsmedberg's post #14, targeted for Gecko 49 (April 2016).
      • May prohibit Modern theme being shipped with or installed in SeaMonkey.
      • Removal is "decided" without any clear alternative envisioned.
  • What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at and at ftp.m.o as "official" ?Tonymec (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)
    • On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".
    • How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".
    • Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of bug 1208822 "System Requirements page needs update"?)
    • [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. bug 1209378

Roundtable - Personal Status Updates

Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).




  • Working on:
    • bug 1190773 - Tooltool revamp
    • a lot of other firefights, but currently blocked on the need to have the ssh key updated.


I might not be able to attend. 50/50 chance.

Waiting for review / branch check in or feedback:

  • bug 1055954 popup exceptions are not added. Please review and let me know if it's ok. Contains string changes. Would be great if this could be checked in in this cycle. Like the Data Manager changes contains string changes and so will/might affect third party themes.
  • bug 1188348 data manager: domains invisible for Permissions, Preferences, Passwords. Checked into c-c. Any chance it can go into c-a despite the string changes?
  • bug 1251368 SeaMonkey cookie code needs to be updated to take into account mozilla-central bug 1245184. Might work without checking bug 1188348 in first but not tested. 2.44 and up affected. Checked into c-c.
  • bug 1223741 Updating to 2.39B allow images not working.

Working on:

  • bug 1258226 Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten
  • bug 1238767 Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.
  • bug 1223741 Already working on Data Manager changes to allow chrome, files and other schemes to not cause errors.
  • bug 1263252 Update SeaMonkey cookie code for mozilla-central Bug 1259169 [nsICookieManager::remove() should be back-compatible. Ready for review but mozilla bug backed out for now.


  • bug 1210791 Get rid of XULPPFLAGS in ChatZilla was checked in. SEA2_42_RELBRANCH needs a new tag to the current default changeset so that the l10n xpi might be generated.
  • Will try to work on Sync next as promised.

Other things on my mind:

  • --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2013/VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.
  • SeaMonkey compiles fine with VS2015 Update 2 with Windows 10 SDK 10.0.10586.15 and mozbuild 2.2.0. x86 builds produced still work fine under Windows XP SP3. x64 build is stable for daily use in my eyes (same with VS2013). The VS2015 upgrade installer is a piece of... Full ISO is available here:
  • VS2015 c-b and c-a builds broken by bug 1256541. Will likely not be fixed but easy workaround for local builds available.
  • bug 1244467 Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by bug 1210791. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds.
  • Aero Peek is broken in c-b and up see bug 1256714. Quick fix in the bug but not complete. Further porting and a bugfix for sites with different zoom levels needed. If no one takes it until I find some time I will try to fix it.
  • When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.
Comment from 03/29: I am working on this problem. We have lots of UNCONFIRMED Bugs, many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them Core half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- Rrbd (talk) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)
Some more precise statistics here in the unofficial blog. -- Rrbd (talk) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)


  • Usual localising, testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
    • bug 653386 Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 - Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with --enable-tests.








Rainer Bielefeld

I will not participate.

currently working on
  • DMOZ SeaMonkey related entries:
    • Review with low priority, including trying to get contact to site owners of listed web pages
  • Trying to help to repair problems with Add-ON Browsing for SeaMonkey caused by new AMO design:
  • QA, Bug confirming and so on as usual

You might want to discuss
  • SeaMonkey Project homepage maintenance
Performance currently needs improvement, contents of Page System Requirements (for example, see bug 1208822 - SeaMonkey System Requirements need update) is mortifying outdated. Due to Wiki Component Web pages has 2 peers: Justin Wood (:Callek) and Robert Kaiser (:KaiRo). But the peers are inactive, as this Bugzilla query shows that Jens Hatklak is the only active maintainer. That should be reflected in wiki and on Project Page, inactive peers should be removed. And there should be a strategy how to do the job with the available manpower: recruit volunteers and find a way how they can create drafts which can be integrated easily into the home page easily.



  • bug 1223341 Add the Firefox Devtools to the SeaMonkey UI.
  • bug 1258955 Only small bottom area of DuckDuckGo logo icon shown in Search Sidebar and "Customize Toolbars".
  • bug 1263262 Do not hide the menubar in the View Partial Source window [Toolkit].

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1222816 Restore about:config UI (Config Editor) to old appearance by overriding Toolkit's Project Chameleon styles.
  • bug 1259928 "View Selection Source" throws TypeError: args is null Source File: chrome://global/content/viewPartialSource.js.
  • bug 1261685 All Bookmarks functionality broken due to Toolkit bug 1257599 which renamed 'Unsorted Bookmarks' into 'Other Bookmarks'.

In Progress:

  • None


  • bug 1236982 Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.
  • bug 1174466 Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from bug 896947.
  • bug 1116223 Thunderbird: Move overrides to default theme chrome.manifest.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.


Pushed to comm-central and comm-aurora:

  • bug 1259947 Add kinto-updater and OneCRL preferences to SeaMonkey.

May need retargeting:

  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.


  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.




Any other business?