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SeaMonkey Meeting Details


  • Who's taking minutes? -> frg
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • Ratty for doing a lot more work after Neil got a new job.

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.



  • Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
    • Mcsmurf will generate an updated key and pass it to Ewong who will then upload it to our build machines.
    • Update from Ewong: Hasn't received the key from mcsmurf yet.
    • Per bug 903439#c10, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing key is apparently still missing.
  • IanN to review members mailing-list and council appointments (IanN to talk to mcsmurf about members list)
    • TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team.


Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

Previously on Jessica Jones Battlestar Seamonkey:

Routine reports:

  • Notes:
    • Callek: Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be until January at earliest any time soon.
    • Ewong will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine.
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. Ratty' is currently reviewing these and other patches to make this happen.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to L10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • en-US trunk hourlies and nightlies are being published again since 2016-04-25 for L32, L64 and Mac but not Windows. Still no new langpacks or localized builds at ftp.m.o.
    • Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • [26th April 2016]
    • [*All Trees*]
    • [comm-central]
      • OSX64: busted due to bug 1260362. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed.
    • [comm-aurora]
      • OSX64: busted due to bug 1260362.
      • Linux x86 and x64 ok.
    • [comm-beta]
    • [comm-release]
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting

Linux Trunk builds are still appearing at ftp.m.o.

Release Train

  • Next release will be 2.43 (no ETA yet).
  • All fixes for 2.43 are in comm-release but some patches for building Lightning 4.8b1 were not checked in. Ratty will inquire and will check them in if required.
  • bug 1234012 will be backed out in a special m-r release branch for Seamonkey 2.43. This seems to cause major problems for Enterprise users in Firefox and may be backed out there too.
  • Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45. These would be 2.42.x releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break Seamonkey.
  • Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be be checked into comm-esr45 after getting approval too.
  • Next mozilla-beta→release migration is scheduled for May 30th, remaining merges for June 6th
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings (outdated), alternative list started (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
  • There is still no matching Lightning version for 2.43 and since Thunderbird skipped the TB 46.0 beta, there may not be any (Lightning 4.8b1).
    • [Fallen]: If you generate one using --enable-calendar, which produces all the locales similar to how this candidates directory looks like: then I can upload that to AMO.
    • some patches which only landed on the Thunderbird 45.1b1 release branch may still need to be transplanted to comm-release default.
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [1].
    • looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [2], bug 1145026.
    • Rainer Bielefeld will no longer update the list of Firefox addons that have been successfully converted by the Addon Converter. -- Rrbd (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2015 (PDT)
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
    • The AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, seems mature. (It had 9 successive revisions between 27 September and 3 October, and no change since then.) It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
  • Adrians patch in bug 516026 'Integrate Lightning Into SeaMonkey by Default and Ship SeaMonkey with Lightning Enabled' is now ready for check-in. The first Seamonkey version which will come with Lightning is 2.44.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)


open tracking (0) tracking requests (5) targeted (2) fixed (14)


  • We need someone to work on porting sync 2.0 over to replace legacy sync code. Frg might look into this if he doesn't have anything more urgent to work on.
    See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
    • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
    • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
  • Stalled. Needs a kick.
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Current breakages (have patches need review and check-in):
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
      • about:config Fixed in SeaMonkey bug 1222816.
      • about:privatebrowsing Fixed in SeaMonkey [bug 1192276
        • Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
      • Affected pages that need to be fixed are about:addons [bug 1222817], about:support [bug 1222818] (looks ok in Modern but painful in the Default theme).
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 - SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743.
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Neil has a WIP patch on hand.
    • We've picked up he default for security.tls.version.min from Mozilla Core, but security.tls.version.fallback-limit is new. So we need to consider adding the latter to our preferences UI (bug 1123673) WONTFIX.
      • Rsx11m filed bug 1267631 Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time.
  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
    • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
    • About specific aspects of this problem, see: bug 1230796, bug 1230804, bug 1230806 and maybe more.
    • [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff.
    • bug 1262880 removed the add-on compatibility check from application update. rsx11m will fix our part in bug 1269133
    • Ratty will look at bug 995095 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 38 new, 4 fixed, 12 triaged.

  • medium triaging effort, above-average number of new bugs files (lots of which coming from bug 1268037, Help cleanup 2016).

Open reviews/flags: 67 review 5 super-review 1 ui-review 12 feedback

  • What about declaring linux-x86_64 builds found at and at ftp.m.o as "official" ?Tonymec (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2015 (PDT)
    • On October 7 two people asked in #seamonkey at a few minutes' interval when there would be "official" 64-bit SM builds for Linux. I pointed them to the x86_64 release at the bottom of the "Other languages" release page for 2.38 and to the x86_64 2.40a2 aurora & 2.41a1 trunk builds at the bottom of the ftp.m.o nightly/latest-comm-* pages but they said these were not "official".
    • How are we going to get out of the following vicious circle? 64-bit builds are not "official" because too few users, and users don't install them (some even prefer compiling their own) because they aren't "official".
    • Maybe change the online documentation? (perhaps as part of bug 1208822 "System Requirements page needs update"?)
    • [ewong:] what's the prerequisites of making the Linux64 builds 'official' aside for the issue of getting the tests done for Linux64; but our testing infrastructure is busted. bug 1209378

Roundtable - Personal Status Updates

Neil has a new job and doesn't have any time to devote to SeaMonkey. Please re-direct review requests to Ratty or IanN who will redirect elsewhere if needed.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).





Waiting for review / branch check in or feedback:

  • bug 1055954 Popup exceptions are not added. Updated patch for popup menu.
  • bug 1224437 No "Publishing completed" status after green tick, publishing does not terminate. Fixed for now in m-c bug 1269412. Fixed 05/09.
  • bug 1269195 Data Manager enhancements for non domain permissions and preferences. Fixed 05/09.
  • bug 1256714 Aero Peek not working. Filed bug 1269810 for zoom problem in m-r to m-c which I reproduced with FF 46.

Working on:

  • bug 1258226 Remove debugQA from SeaMonkey. Input please if this should be up for reviewed if we should keep debugQA in it's current state. A little on the back burner but not forgotten.
  • bug 1238767 Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.


  • Started to look at Sync but don't hold you breath yet.

Other things on my mind:

  • --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2013/VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.
  • bug 1244467 Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by bug 1210791. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log. Looking at it.
  • When looking in Bugzilla what to do next I found a lot of in my eyes obsolete bugs in a short time. Who can close them. Tracking them in a meta bug? A little on the backburner too but also not forgotten.
Comment from 03/29: I am working on this problem. We have lots of UNCONFIRMED Bugs, many of them old /obsolete. But in my systematic review (may be 3 ... 5 each week) I find (approximately) 25% of these old bugs real bugs, half of them Core half of them really SeaMonkey bugs. With this speed review still will take 2 more years or so, but I think it's better than a mass-close. -- Rrbd (talk) 10:53, 29 March 2016 (PDT)
Some more precise statistics here in the unofficial blog. -- Rrbd (talk) 22:31, 29 March 2016 (PDT)


  • Usual localising, testing, reviewing, commenting and approving.
  • Fixed:
  • Fixed for c-c:
  • Fixed for m-c:
  • Fixed for m-i/fx-i:
  • Pending tree opening:
  • Pending approval for check in:
  • Pending checkin for dependent bugs:
    • bug 653386 Consider overriding netErrorApp.dtd rather than netError.dtd
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for feedback/review/information:
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
  • Working on:
    • bug 1101381 Printing throws error: DEPRECATION WARNING: getWebBrowserPrint is now deprecated, and fully unsupported for multi-process browsers. Please use a frame script to get access to nsIWebBrowserPrint from content
    • bug 1190179 Port |bug 1067325 - Add an option to view html source in a tab| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 1051642 Allow for flat chrome format when packaging extensions
    • bug 943335 [TB] Update icons used in searchplugins (Yahoo, eBay, Wikipedia, Amazon, Bing, Twitter)
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with --enable-tests.








Rainer Bielefeld

I can't participate

Please decide
  • Whether bug 1271291 - New URL not shown when containing a few UTF8 characters " has security impact and access should be restricted.
currently working on
  • I am submitting a bigger number of Bugs or enhancement requests (goal: 1 per day) for SeaMonkey Help. Soon I will start to try to find some more volunteers additionally to Akshay Jain. My request to involved developers: Please try to help the volunteers in a way that they have time to find fixes themselves and that they learn to contribute in an orderly way: first reproduce the observations, then decide whether it's a bug, then find the source and so on.
  • DMOZ SeaMonkey related localized entries:
  • First report concerning my private donation campaign (should have be done already in April)



  • bug 1269412 In nsWebBrowserPersist::EndDownload set mCompleted = true before issuing the state stop notification.
    • This fixes bug 1224437[1] on comm-central and comm-aurora. For comm-beta and comm-release a SeaMonkey patch was landed.
    • [1] No "Publishing completed" status after green tick, publishing does not terminate.

In Progress:

  • Not much. Concentrating on doing reviews this current cycle.


  • bug 1267666 Trying to view or change Lightning extension options in Add-ons Manager hangs Seamonkey.
  • bug 995095 Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite.
    • Mozilla-central bug 1223728 Removed the unifiedcomplete pref and the urlinline component. The remaining nsPlacesAutocomplete component will be removed too unless we move it to comm-central/suite/. Note we never used the urlinline component.
    • Alternatively use unified autocomplete by replacing autocompletesearch="history" with "unifiedcomplete". The latter includes history but with other stuff too.


  • bug 1236982 Simplify SeaMonkey CSS for Lightning toolbar buttons.
  • bug 1174466 Popup blocker: Need to allow popups opened by loaded javascript: URIs from the location bar. Regression from bug 896947.
  • bug 1116223 Thunderbird: Move overrides to default theme chrome.manifest.

Other stuff:

  • Did some reviews and approvals.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.


Pushed to comm-central and comm-aurora:

  • bug 533984 Remove mention of Thunderbird in the description of the Lightning XPI
    • makes the description of the Lightning XPI generic and application independent as we intend to ship it with SM releases by default as well

Waiting for reviews:

  • bug 1265534 Make editor.CR_creates_new_p work for Mail & News composition as well
    • adopts new "compose HTML in Paragraph mode" feature from bug 330891 without making it the default
  • bug 1267631 Update the SSL/TLS Preference Pane once TLS 1.3 is implemented and ready for prime time
    • string changes only for now, checkbox addition has to wait until core patches are landing
  • bug 1269133 Remove add-on compatibility check from application update

Preliminary patches posted (waiting for dependencies):

  • bug 1269773 Remove Kinto and Safe-Browsing preferences from SeaMonkey's browser-prefs.js after they were moved to global all.js
  • bug 1271091 Uncloak the Geolocation preference UI for release builds once this feature is confirmed working
    • waiting for bug 903439 to enable this feature for SeaMonkey


  • bug 1123673 Consider exposing security.tls.version.fallback-limit in SSL prefpane to accommodate SSL 3.0 legacy sites.


  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.




Any other business?