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Other than that, I really like the mockups, though I wouldn't mind colorful toolbar buttons (look at IE, it's in color, and doesn't seem to hurt!).--[[User:Rq|RQ]] 08:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
= Usability = I hate how the tool button touches the window border == The tools button is touching the very edge of the window. I think it looks terrible like that. It would be better as a normal button. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 20:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC) :I Agree, it's ugly. [[User:Ekerazha|Ekerazha]] 07:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC) :Agreed, should be changed. --[[User:Domthedude001|Domthedude001]] 17:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC):I don't mind the button touching the border, and in fact I think it is a nice potential option. It may be better as a theme, I personally would like a streamlined theme that puts buttons around the edges. More computers these days have widescreen displays, and most webpages are designed vertically and do not extend far horizontally, so a theme that works around the screen edges could be helpful for some users. I do not know of any themes that place buttons around the outside edges.--[[User:Leonresevil2|Leonresevil2]] 9 September 2009 = Interface =
== Tabs ==
: Yeah you can, but it looks very ugly compared to how Chrome does it. To tear out a page on Firefox, it opens a new window at a default location (not where you tore the tab out) and reloads the whole page. I don't know about you, but I like the fact that I don't have to worry about what's going on before I tear it out. --[[User:Twstdude0to1|Twstdude0to1]] 21:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
=== Feedback on Progress Bar Filling the new mockups Entire Tab ===
The new mock-ups are fantastic! However, I have one suggestion. The progress bar should fill the entire tab's background rather than just the top part. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 16:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
[[User:Nikic|Nikic]] 12:26, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
=== Address Bar Inside the Tabs ===
Look this: address bar inside the tabs. The address bar should be inside the tab. While typing the tab will expand. After type, the tab restore to a default size. The address bar get space in the screen and it is not so necessary after accessing the site
https://wiki.mozilla.org/File:FF4_larini.jpg
== Buttons ==
=== History dropdown button ===
What happened to the history dropdown next to the back/forward buttons? Don't make it trigger by pressing and holding the mouse. Making it like this turns it into a hard to find invisible feature. Also, some tablet pcs and tablets are configured to trigger a left click by pressing and holding the pen for a while, then releasing it. This overrides the back/forward buttons press and hold function.
--[[User:Facildelembrar|Facildelembrar]] 18:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I too noticed the missing history dropdown button. This is a handy feature which is worth the small amount of room it takes up. Since the back arrow is usually made larger, the forward arrow could be raised up to be flush with the top of the back arrow, and the history dropdown could be inserted underneath the raised forward arrow.
--[[User:Leonresevil2|Leonresevil2]] 9 September 2009
Try a right-mouse click on one of the two icons ;) I think this option will still be there with FF3.7. So, on a tablet you press and hold the pen to simulate a right click and there it goes. [[User:Nikic|Nikic]] 10:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
=== Position of the Buttons: 4 proposals ===
I like the "Initial Windows Theme Mockups for Firefox 3.7" very much. Here are some proposal/suggestions.
1°) Il like the "'''tool'''" button on top right. Personnally, I always use an extension named "compact menu". And I think that this is more or less the same idea: to hide the traditional menu (File, Edit, etc...) and to group all the commands inside a unique "tool" menu. It make the User Interface more clean.
2°) I like the "'''page'''" button concept. Great idea. I have remark regarding its position: Actually the "Page" information are like attributes from the URL. So I think that the position on the right of the menu (link in XP screenshot) or ~like a new tab (like on Vista/7 screenshot) are a bit confusing. So I would suggest to put the "Page" button just near the URL box. It seems more logical.
3°) Regarding the button "star" (= "quick '''bookmark''' this page"). I have the same proposal: it shall be located just near the URL box because this is an action related to the current page.
4°) I like the idea to be able to display/hide quickly the '''personal bar'''. For me this action is similar than opening a new tab. Except that this new tab has to be preloaded with an URL already bookmarked by the user. So, my sugesstion is to treat is in a similar way than the ["+" new tab] button. On the right or the near the ["+" new tab] button.
Please look at the proposal on attached file
[[Image:Mozilla firefox 3.7 -Proposal2.png]]
Regarding the display/hide quickly the personal shortcut bar, I have another suggestion: when pushing this button, the system could display kind of "bubble" on the forgound with all icones of adress bar (like in the Mac Dock, please look at the 2nd screenshot). [[Image:Capture dock.png]]
An easier way to do it could be to dispay the personal bar in the same way that the password bar, just on top of the page with a little translation movement from the page.
<br>A last thing : I REALLY like the rounded corners in the URL & Search fields. Please make it available on XP also.
--Freeman31, 22th July 2009 0:22 UTC.
@3: Hm, I don't really understand why you should move the bookmarking-star from the right of the location bar to the left of it. Could you explain? [[User:Nikic|Nikic]] 11:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
=== Home Button ===
1. The home button transition form 3.5 to 3.7 inform of a bookmark bar is not to nice because I don't use the bookmark toolbar much but I use the home button much more but the transition from 3.7to the next version is nice, how is sitting next to the tabs and I think if you middle click it again to open a new tab would be nice.
2. You should explain how the combination between the awesome bar and the search engine bar is going to work, I like them both separate but if you do it right it could be awesome connection.
=== Sketches are great, don't like small bookmarks icon and page menu on left ===
I really like your sketches, but the mockups for Firefox 3.7 aren't quite as good in my opinion. Please either stick to the sketch design, or move towards the Firefox 4.0 layout.
In particular, in the Firefox 3.7 Vista layout, the Page menu to the far left of the tab bar seems strange, and it's not obvious what the star icon on the right means: you say it shows the bookmarks bar, but its location makes me think it's going to bookmark the current page.
Would be very happy with the Firefox 4.0 version B ("tabs-on-top"). The version A ("tabs-on-bottom") would be OK too if you moved the Page menu next to the location bar.
I also like the idea of hiding the bookmarks bar by default. --[[User:Mikelward|Mikelward]] 03:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
=== Missing Buttons ===
I suggest that the button that are removed from the Firefox interface in Firefox 3.7, should have a known shortcut known to users. Example: Home button is missing from the interface. Hence it need a shortcut. --User: Jason twilight17.20, 15th August 2009 (UTC)
:We should be able to add the home button in the same way as the current version of Firefox. This functionality will only change in Firefox 4.0. ;) --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 20:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
About Firefox 4.0, I have seen your Proposed Mockups. I find them almost like 95% Chrome-like. I personally dislike the omni-bar (Awesome bar + search bar). I will prefer if the search bar
:I would prefer it like that too. It should be made easy to switch between the omni-bar and two separate bars. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 15:11, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
<br> They should not remove the history dropdown next to the back/forward buttons and the URL dropdown next the location bar. Removing them make Firefox less user-friendly.
If I want to go back to the site that I visited 10 pages before now, a history dropdown will make things easier, because you can do that in 2 clicks. Moreover, you can know what you pages you visited in the last 9 pages.
URL dropdown should show the pages that you usually visits and hence is useful to the user because he can access to bbc.co.uk in 2 clicks.
Even though this things can be done using a keyboard, some people are more used to using mouse to use Firefox's functions.
Therefore, I suggest that firefox should have designed in such a way that there are options to switch from the mouse orientated design to the keyboard orientated design and from keyboard to the mouse.-----Jason twilight 02.53, 18th August 2009 (UTC)
:Lets not forget that Windows Explorer also uses the back and forward buttons with a drop down. Unless we design Firefox in the same way (just like in Fx 3.5), the user will be very confused. --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 08:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I just hope that all missing button/bar can be recovered using the customised... function. I hope to see new drafts about Firefox 3.7 soon. -----Jason twilight 12.53, 19th August 2009 (UTC)
== Keep Bookmarks Menu ==
Please keep the Bookmarks menu as in FF3.5... I have a lot of bookmarks and would be lost as how to use the menu in the current setups. Im sure that the menu or something to see the bookmarks will be in the new style but at the moment I can't see where and its not intuitive if it its there.
--[[User:Martinjh99|Martinjh99]] 06:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
== Do NOT combine search and address bar. ==
I really hope that me saying this isn't needed, but, combining the search bar and the address bar is a horrible idea. I have several custom search options in the search bar that I use regularly. If it was combined into the address bar, I'd be forced to search with one specific engine every time. This would be a huge inconvenience to myself, and I'm assuming many other people that also value making their time more efficient.
As to combining the go, refresh, and stop button, that's unnecessary as well. The go button should be removed, but stop and refresh should stay where they are. Personally, I use hot keys, and never click the buttons, so I take them off already, but sometimes I reload a page in the middle of it loading because my internet hung and the page didn't load properly, or is timing out. A quick mid-load refresh remedies that, and wouldn't be possible if it showed a stop button since it would still be loading. It's just an extra step if I had to stop it, and then reload. It may sound minuscule, but if you have to do that several thousand times, that adds up pretty fast.
== Noooo, not the status bar! ==
I have about 35 add-ons installed. 13 of these use the status bar to provide important information and easily accessible buttons. Without the status bar, add-ons such as FoxClocks and ColorZilla would be rendered useless, while other add-ons such as IE Tab and Personas would have to put their buttons in the navigation bar, where they would be a lot uglier and waste tons of precious space.
I also find that pop-up thingie you get when you point at links in Chrome to be very distracting. I'm OK with hiding the status bar by default, but please don't remove it altogether. [[User:Loginer|Loginer]] 17:43, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
:I'm sure it'll be possible to switch the status bar back on via the options screen. And I'm sure that the people who made your add-ons can find an alternative place for their buttons. ;) --[[User:Mephiles|Mephiles]] 14:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well I do like the status bar. Althoe I realize it's a total waste of space, because it is empty on my browser. But I just like the space between windows and website.--[[User:iZver|iZver]] 09:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
== The Menu Bar. ==
I believe that the mock-up are good but Removing the menu bar Totally from Firefox altogether is ( I believe) not a bad choice.
I believe that the menu bar should be hidden away and not totally removed from Future Firefoxs.
Suggestion:
Options In Future Firefoxs (after Fx 3.6) should be able to allow the classic menu bar should be to appear or this can be done alternatively by pressing the alt button.
I believe this way is better than removing them outright, since some user are more familiar with the classic menu instead of the new and simplified buttons/menus as shown in the mock up.-----Jason twilight 07.25, 30th August 2009 (UTC)
Indeed - I fully agree with this menu sentiment. A previous comment on this page suggesting hiding menus by nesting them further inside another menu (or button that isn't really a button but is actually a menu), thinking this would create a "cleaner" interface - <b>rethink your priorities</b>. A clean interface is <b>not the most important thing</b> - functionality that's easy to access <b>is</b>. Menus are a time-tested solution to the problem. <b>Office 2007's anti-menu experiment has not been a success.</b> Don't emulate them.
[[User:Barrkel|Barrkel]] 15:16, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
If I'm not wrong, there obviously will be a possibility to show the menu. Either with Alt temporarily or with an option all the time. Furthermore: Obviously it's a bad idea to put the whole menu into one button. But this isn't planned, too: There are a minimum of three buttons: Page, Tools and Bookmarks.
[[User:Nikic|Nikic]] 15:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
== Bookmarks ==
I really like the slim new mockup of Firefox so far. I do believe that we should do something with the Bookmarks though. They make the interface bulky in any almost any browser. Could it be possible to have them show up at the bottom of the interface or some how have them fly out when needed instead of sticking around?
= Unsorted =
== Suggestions ==
I like the hotedges suggestion, but what I'd really like is the option to fill my screen with content, the way I can when using a media player. All controls and other screen edging (including that useless quarter-inch bar at the top of the browser that should be combined with the tab bar) should ghost away unless the user right-clicks (or uses a hotkey combo) to bring the browser interface to the fore. The user should be able to tell Firefox whether tabs should be "always on top" or whatever other interface component they want never to ghost away. It is possible that a "hot corner" would be a useful option. I don't think I normally mouse to the lower left of my screen when browsing pages or interacting with websites, so maybe mousing in that corner could activate the browser interface without using a hotkey or a mouse click. Regardless, as a user I want to access *content*. Too much of the browser interface crowds my content. In the age of netbooks with small screens, visual real estate is precious. If Firefox can lead the way with regard to this trend, they might be able to dramatically improve market share. On the other hand, one can guess that the Google Chrome OS is going to make this happen.
== Mindless robotic praise ==
I am in love. Unlike both the Fx 2 and 3 redesigns, I feel absolutely no "out-of-placeness" at first sight. Well done! [[User:Bielawski|Bielawski]] 16:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
== Criticism ==
* Please explain what the little tab icon to the right does.
* (aero only) The loadbar should be integrated into the address bar as in explorer and ie. Or replicate that effect onto the tabs back. This could also apply to XP.
== Unorganized ==
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== Unknown ==
- URL + search bar combo is important to add as is transparency for Vista/7 folk.
== Good way to think about FF full screen mode as the future interface ==
There's a mockup for Luna Blue (ok) Silver (ok) Olive (ok) Royale (ok), but Zune theme ( http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=75078 ) is missing, it's similar to Royale but with a dark-grey/orange color scheme. [[User:Ekerazha|Ekerazha]] 20:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
== Paste and go! ==
:Please don't ask me to "chill" when you've been so steadfast in your assumptions that you've compared disagreement to trying to convince me that "2+2=4". If you had been polite during the discussion rather than heavily implying that anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot (I refer you to your "2+2" comment), you could expect the same courtesy in return. With regard to contributing, you haven't actually suggested what specifically should be changed. Why should the small gap between tabs be changed? Or why should the icon on the refresh button be altered? You haven't said what you want changed, and why. I'm not some kind of Firefox 'fanboy' - if I deem something to be worthy of criticism, I'm more than happy to say what I disagree with. --[[User:Pintsized|Pintsized]] 13:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:I'd say that the mockups remind me of a cross between Chrome, Opera 10, Firefox 3.5, and Chrome. Oh, and Chrome too. Seriously. It may be copying Chrome a lot, but at least it isn't copying as much as Safari. Safari has the same exact icons for the two main menu buttons. Opera is behind the times on interface design, and Firefox is lagging behind a bit. These changes will help bring Firefox's interface back up-to-date. Once Firefox also abolishes the menu bar, the only other major browser that still has it, at least by default, will be Opera. I like these proposed changes, and I think they look nothing like Opera 10. They share some buttons in common - no duh, they're gonna have refresh, stop, back, and forward buttons - but the icons are completely different. If anything, Firefox 3.5's interface looks more like Opera 10 than 3.7's mockups do. Seriously, look at it! Am I right? See, that's because browsers need address bars, tabs, and some other interface elements. Those are the ''only'' things I saw in common between Firefox 3.7 and Opera 10. [[User:NuckChorris|NuckChorris]] 04:26, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
stay in Firefox 4. --User: Jason twilight 03.20, 16th August 2009 (UTC)
== Simplify paramterised URLs ==
