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 * Time: Wednesday, 2012 August 15, 9:05 - 9:55am PT (16:05 - 16:55 UTC)
 * Backchannel:
-** irc.mozilla.org #openwebapps
+** [https://chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23openwebapps&server=irc.mozilla.org irc.mozilla.org #openwebapps]
 * Virtual Location:
 ** [https://v.mozilla.com/flex.html?roomdirect.html&key=GSAT2ujy1RDw "Mozilla Apps" Vidyo room]
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 ** +1-650-903-0800 or +1-650-215-1282, x92, conf#: 98652 (US/INTL)
 ** +1-800-707-2533, pin: 369, conf#: 98652 (US toll free)
-* [https://etherpad.mozilla.org/apps-engineering Etherpad]
+* [https://etherpad.mozilla.org/apps-engineering etherpad for taking minutes]
 = Agenda =
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 = Minutes =
+* 9:04 Wil wins best wall color contest
+== Significant Updates ==
+=== Fire Alam Tests ===
+* fire alarm tests will be happening in Mountain View from 9 - 9:30am PT this morning
+* might disrupt meeting
+=== Payment and Identity Strategy ===
+* rfant has contacts at BlueVia
+* new strategy for payments
+* will work with third party that abstracts billing backends
+* we will integrate navigator.pay with single party
+* that party will integrate with various payment services
+* we were going to have a fragmented payment story
+* Paypal on some platforms, BlueVia on other platforms
+* rfant directing us to more unified approach to payments
+* positive change overall; easier for developers
+* Mozilla can act as broker to other payment providers
+* changes client-side code in Gecko
+* changes to Marketplace
+* changes to what we tell developers to do
+* this is what we were doing in the beginning
+* so we're actually farthest along on it
+* responsibility for identity shifts back to Mozilla
+* more likely to have Persona identities on all platforms
+* better experience for users
+* work has to be done on B2G, Marketplace teams
+* client-side work being done in Spain by BlueVia
+* our work is on navigator.pay API, which is mostly agnostic to payment provider
+* -> bwalker to communicate new Payment and Identity strategy to rest of organization
+* sicking worried about change that requires us to do more work
+* people who hadn't heard about the new strategy, at least: fabrice, sicking, overholt, myk, ndesaulniers, jsmith
+* -> pmpcat to forward rfant's email describing the new Payment and Identity strategy to folks who don't know about it
+=== Android WebRT ===
+* on track to be done with v1 blockers by end of month
+=== AITC ===
+* legal team on track to get privacy policy and terms of service for AITC in place by the end of the month
+== Checkin/Status on Major Challenges ==
+=== Packaged Apps ===
+* status from last Thursday was that design discussions were going to happen
+* sicking hasn't yet scheduled a meeting
+* we decided to conduct discussion offline
+* cjones and clee needed for meeting on Updates page
+* https://wiki.mozilla.org/Gaia/System/Updates (all "Open questions" sections)
+* -> pmpcat to convene meeting to design packaged apps
+* last Friday at noon PT cvan showed Marketplace progress on submitting packaged apps
+* we can currently do end-to-end API test
+* installPackage API has already landed; remaining work is around updates and signatures
+=== Multiple Apps Per Domain ===
+* we had a productive session during work week
+* sicking described using profiles/datajars instead of origins as security boundary
+* benadida made bwalker have second thoughts and has reached out to sicking
+* the security documents aren't in a good state
+* sicking has edited them
+* but someone has edited his edits, and now they're hard to read
+* sicking plans to re-edit
+* engineers have expected to do this in v2
+* but BD folks say this is a blocker for developers
+* bwalker digging into the actual issue for developers
+* myk: our current decision is to do this in v2
+* we might change our minds, and bwalker is digging into how hard it really is for developers to work around the limitation
+* but we should proceed as if this is going to happen in v2 until we hear otherwise
+=== B2G Basecamp Blockers ===
+* Core / DOM: Apps: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=4044611;field0-0-0=cf_blocking_basecamp;resolution=---;query_format=advanced;type0-0-0=equals;value0-0-0=%2B;component=DOM%3A%20Apps;product=Core
+* Overall: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED;bug_status=NEW;bug_status=ASSIGNED;bug_status=REOPENED;field0-0-0=cf_blocking_basecamp;list_id=4020873;query_format=advanced;type0-0-0=equals;value0-0-0=%2B;query_based_on=;columnlist=product%2Cbug_severity%2Cpriority%2Cop_sys%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%2Cstatus_whiteboard
+* B2G triage happening multiple times per week, including 10AM PT today
+* B2G vroom
+* https://mail.mozilla.com/home/dietrich@mozilla.com/B2G%20Event%20Schedule.html
+* no, we're not doing meeting invites
+== Questions and Concerns ==
+=== We really need to get our app developer docs up to date ===
+* morgamic and others had meeting recently about it
+* working on updating docs, including removing stale docs and finding one place to put them all
+* we think jswisher owns making sure the docs are up-to-date
+* -> pmpcat to follow up with jswisher to confirm that she owns docs (or identify who does)
+* morgamic's team has started tracking documentation work that needs doing
+* a bunch of it needs to be written by developers who are currently working on finishing up development work
+* most Marketplace documentation bugs have owners, including all P1s
+=== Web Activities - How do they work on Firefox OS with web apps? ===
+* specified in webapp manifest
+* runtime determines which one to call
+* runtime acts as broker between two apps
+* documented on wiki
+* anant has action item to add to spec
+* pdf.js is in B2G and has intent
+* when you click on link to PDF file in browser, it opens in pdf.js app
+* activities are available to all apps, not just browser
+* any app can start activity, DOM API
+* new Activity(...), returns object via which you can get info back from provider
+=== Which of 317 apps in Marketplace are made for Android vs. B2G? ===
+* better asked in 10am meeting
+* Product Delivery meeting
+* not recommended for engineers unless there's a hot topic
+* leads should attend to know what product managers are planning
+* https://wiki.mozilla.org/Apps/StatusMeetings for details
+=== myk: What is happening on August 28? What engineering work remains to do for that milestone? ===
+* bwalker would like to reduce the scope and keep the schedule
+* this is a burning topic for the Product Delivery meeting
+* sicking: there is no way B2G is going to be code-complete by the end of August
+* there are still hundreds of blockers open
+* August 28 is a Marketplace milestone
+* it's an engineering checkpoint
+* and it's for alignment with B2G, even if B2G itself doesn't make that milestone
+* to make sure Marketplace is aligned with B2G and Android
+* and test that our products are going to work
+* not a consumer/publicly-visible event
+=== Lots of stability problems with Firefox OS - need to be mindful in these apps decisions ===
+* we need to be very careful about feature churn
+* lots of regressions on Firefox OS (video, etc.)
+* we need to get requirements ironed out, as more churn risks more regressions
+== rfant attending these meetings ==
+* rfant plans to attend to provide visibility into what's going on at the product/steering committee level
+* isn't in the office these days, probably won't be for a week or more
+* available, on email all day, happy to respond, please reach out!
+* making focused effort to get billing/identity straightened out
+* there's been confusion about Basecamp/Telefonica, what are we going to deliver and when
+* took a position, got buy-in from BlueVia/Telefonica
+* you will see changes associated with payment, billing, navigator.pay, identity, etc.
+* these just accelerate plans we already had for v2, avoid one-off we were planning to do for Brazil
+* will generate work, but better path forward
+* ask for your forebearance and flexibility as we work out details over the next week or so
+* people should feel free to respond directly to rfant on questions
+* try not to cc: the world; cc: the folks who are relevant
+* rfant happy to answer any questions
 = Actions =
+* -> bwalker to communicate new Payment and Identity strategy to rest of organization
+* -> pmpcat to forward rfant's email describing the new Payment and Identity strategy to folks who don't know about it
+* -> pmpcat to convene meeting to design packaged apps
+* -> pmpcat to follow up with jswisher to confirm that she owns docs (or identify who does)