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Thunderbird Meeting Details :


  • Who's taking minutes? --> davidb for davida
  • Minute taking Schedule. Talk to davida for schedule changes/additions.

Action Items



  • Planning for a dry-run security firedrill build
    • Split the TODOs into two sections to so that we now have a short list of things that we really need to decide on.
    • Sent emails asking questions.
    • Will discuss remaining with Thunderbird drivers this week (probably via email).


Thunderbird 3

  • Now in String freeze
  • Schedule:
    • Creation of comm-1.9.1 branch: 2009-10-22 (proposed)
    • Code Freeze for RC1: 2009-10-30 23:59 PST
    • L10n deadline: 2009-11-02 23:59 PST
    • RC1 builds start on: 2009-11-03
    • Subsequent RCs as necessary.
  • Will remove from bugzilla the ability to request Wanted 3.0 flag since we're so close to shipping.
  • Please set bugs to assigned status (as well as owner to you) if you want to do them.
  • If you have other bugs assigned to you that you don't want to do, please reassign or discuss with drivers.
  • If you see what look like theme/css issues, especially on Windows, please file a bug, with a screenshot, and the version of Windows you're running. Tag it with a "polish" keyword, and nominate it for blocking-tb3?.

QA Updates

Last week :

  • Regular Triage event
  • continued Crash monitoring
  • Top crasher got a Testcase
  • Looked into multilingual QA

This week :

  • Update event - we'll provide support for people updating from older versions of Thunderbird to either 3.0b4 or Latest nightly, more details at : Thunderbird:QA_TestDay:2009-10-15
  • Start thinking about testing for rc1

Topcrashes - 3.0b4 top 6 :

status bug summary rank
fixed 2009-10-04 bug 513315 [@ nsScriptSecurityManager::GetCurrentJSContext()] 1
emerging - legitimate? - startup @ __delayLoadHelper2 2
fixed 2009-09-25 bug 480090 sending email after being in offline mode [@ morkRowObject::CloseRowObject(morkEnv*)] - [@ nsMsgOfflineImapOperation::SetCopiesToDB - nsMsgOfflineImapOperation::Release] 3
patch pending 2009-10-13 bug 505221 [@ CountTotalMimeAttachments(MimeContainer*) ] 4
idle bug 513543 [@MimeInlineTextHTML_parse_eof ] 5
idle bug 482849 [@ canonicalize ] while doing a nightly update 6

Standard8 suggested adding a metric of how many crashers per build users we have (e.g., how many crashers per b4 user).

Marketing Updates

  • Press watch: End of the Email Era worth reading through the comments
  • Press tour coordination.
  • SpreadThunderbird has new theme on staging, launching with new theme this week.
  • Handed off new icon, getting into builds soon. (still need to blog about it)
  • Web localization handed off to pascalc and team. A few pages still in progress (release notes, features page needs screen shots, and press release).
  • Going to contact top 300 or so add-on authors to tell them about 3.0 release schedule.

IT update

  • bug 470679 - l10n nightly updates (complete+partials) available on comm-central trunk
  • mini in production, building OS X comm-1.9.1 nightlies flawlessly so far
  • bug 520628 - Planning production/staging infrastructure for MoMo SUMO



  1. Top 5 GS Thunderbird 2 Support Topics (code in progress: ) basically the same as last week with the exception of the AVG anti-virus false positive
    1. Cannot receive email
    2. Cannot send email
    3. AVG false positive for thunderbird and firefox 3.5.3 (thanks to tomcat and sam sidler for their help in IRC to quickly resolve this)
    4. address book (how to use, how to export contacts)
    5. Attachments (attachments not working, corrupted)
  2. Thunderbird 3 Beta Top Support Issues (not many reported, starting to monitor to see what we can improve for post 3.0)
    1. ui change complaints (users want "old header" aka what the dev community calls "compact header" back, how to use gloda, gloda complaints)
    2. excessive gmail bandwidth from imap change to download all email, fixed in current i.e. post October 7, 2009 Thunderbird 3 nightlies
  3. SUMO for MoMo tracker ticket:, gozer spinning up instance (thanks!) and Roland beginning to write content this week
  4. Will engage Campus Reps students in Thunderbird support - call for volunteers email is going out this week
  5. Key Support stats from the following graphic:
    1. approximately 11 / day (78/7)
    2. total new topics:110 total replies: 74 (Ruby Code)
      1. date:20091006 #new support topics:17 resolved: 8
      2. date:20091007 #new support topics:13 resolved: 7
      3. date:20091008 #new support topics:13 resolved: 3
      4. date:20091009 #new support topics:10 resolved: 5
      5. date:20091010 #new support topics:5 resolved: 3
      6. date:20091011 #new support topics:2 resolved: 0
      7. date:20091012 #new support topics:1 resolved: 0
    3. #replies from non MoMo folks:13 from Andrea (thanks!) 4 from Thomas (thanks!) 5 from TMZ (thanks) MoMo folks: 60 from Roland, 7 from Mark Banner (thanks!), Ludo 3 (thanks), Bienvenu 6 (thanks), Bryan 2 (thanks!), Asuth 1 (thanks!)
    4. happiness metric: API doesn't have happiness emotitags, asked GS staff about that, code in progress:, manual happiness metric = 73 - 60 = 13 (28 last week), 50 Hendrix messages (generally Hendrix messages are unhappy)

6-12October 2009 Community stats for Mozilla Messaging.jpg


Ludovic asked if we might have ispdb ready by rc1 - Blake thinks not...decided that we need something in the db for rc1, and Blake will schedule a follow-on meeting.

Status Updates

  • Reviews and Driving
  • Thinking about security releases.
  • A little bit of holiday.
  • Resolved issue with trunk builds that stopped updates (and ssl) working.
  • bug 520977 Dock icon doesn't reset when it gets to zero unread messages.
  • bug 338549 Mailnews account password prompts at startup no longer serial.
    • Happy with POP3 patch but a tester suggested it may not be quite right, need to investigate more.
  • blocker work
  • Reviews and Driving
  • Fix hang on shutdown if you shutdown immediately after closing a compose window where you've done autocomplete against ssl ldap, bug 420744
  • fix retention settings getting propagated from folder to server and thus to all folders on the server, bug 515316
  • Make empty trash on smart folder empty all the trashes, bug 517723
  • Only display start page once per life of thread pane/tab, part of bug 520272, speed up opening folders
  • Make sure streaming imap messages with aLocalOnly set doesn't sometimes fetch message from server, especially for compact offline store case, bug 519801
  • Remove new mail account from old mail wizard for tb, bug 515479
  • Clear pendingRemoval attribute after applying retention settings in case retention settings change so we don't keep purging messages that no longer should be purged, and then redownloading them, bug 521134
  • Detect empty upload file earlier on in process so we don't get left hanging with an unfinished url, and keep trying to playback the offline upload, bug 497598
  • Build
    • l10n updates live on comm-central trunk
    • momo-vm-leopard-02 imaged from a mini is in staging
    • Wrangled an interesting Apple gcc-4.2 bug bug 520401
  • Infrastructure
    • Production/Staging setup for SUMO

On vacation: Thursday+Friday

  • Some fixes to Who column display and some of the gloda integration to search, plus some auto-open mailbox improvements
  • Hoping to get a new beta of Eudora/Penelope out this week
  • Released SeaMonkey 2.0 RC 1 on Saturday - feedback quite good
  • Driving SeaMonkey 2.0 final, hopefully final RC this week, release roughly a week after it if nothing bad comes in
  • see the QA update.

Last week:

This week:

  • Continue to help students with ISPDB.
  • More work on the rest of my blockers, and maybe start into some tb3-wanted.
  • Drive ISPDB RC1 discussion.

This week:

  • wee bit of Spread Thunderbird testing of new theme
  • Fixed (or in-progress) MailNews Core bugs:
    • bug 513709 Remove some useless vars, mozilla-* ones are enough