SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2011-09-20

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SeaMonkey Meeting Details

• Time: 20 September, 2011, 12:00 UTC
• Location: #seamonkey IRC channel

Agenda

• Who's taking minutes? -> TBD
• Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?
  • Please note A person or entity can't be nominated twice in a row.

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.

NEW

OPEN

• We should find a better way of getting nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank.
  • We could put out a call for nominations the week before then, at the time of the meeting notice going out we could include any nominations (We need to come up with a quick FAQ as to what merits a nomination). IanN has put out an email to the members list. InvisibleSmiley came up with some sensible suggestions.
  • We need to advertise such a thing happens even if it is only in the meeting notice.

CLOSED

K.I.V.

• Get permission from Google to use their geolocation JSON service [KaiRo]. We can still only wait on the Google front right now.
  • KaiRo has heard that Google is doing a revamp of their location service, maybe they'll finally make it available publicly so we can use it. [InvisibleSmiley says:] According to Bug 677256 |Migrate to Google Location Service v2| this is still FF only :-(
  • Callek has contacted Google Sales reps to try and work out a solution that meets our budget (almost nothing) and requirements. Not expecting anything out of it, initial quote from them for inclusion was over 15 thousand USD.
  • [InvisibleSmiley:] I think we should remove this item for the time being.

Release Train

• Callek is working on getting comm-aurora and comm-beta on MXR (bug 653424).
  • Patch needs updating.
    • [InvisibleSmiley:] What can others do to help and drive this forward?
• 2.3.3 shipped 6 September. Hopefully the last in 2.3.x series, but it all comes to CAs statuses.
• 2.0.14 -> 2.3.3 Major Updates live as of 6 September.
• 2.4 Beta 2 shipped 12 September.
• 2.4 Beta 3 scheduled for 18 September.

Extensions Compatibility Tracking

• Addon Compatibility Listings created and maintained by InvisibleSmiley, with help from some community members like DERoss.
  • Recent changes can be found here.
  • [InvisibleSmiley:] The External Sources part is still TODO, help appreciated.
• Enigmail provides versions for release (AMO) and all branches (Enigmail nightly page)
• Lightning currently only provides versions for the current stable release (AMO), Aurora and trunk (both FTP). We need to clearly communicate to users that at least for the time being, Beta is not supported (i.e. all Lightning versions are broken with it!).
  • [InvisibleSmiley:] I switched to Aurora now just because of that!
• The latest Firebug is now fully compatible but still not flagged as such on AMO (which seems to depend on automatic tests being set up and run on the Firebug side, see Issue 4430)
  • [InvisibleSmiley:] Use Firebug 1.9 pre-releases for 2.4 and later (maybe even earlier SM versions; haven't checked)
• Besides the above, we should also take a look at other add-ons that are important for our users when they switch to 2.x.
  • Useful query: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/extensions/?sort=popular
• InvisibleSmiley created a FAQ Wiki page. Everybody please help update it, so it stays current without needing too much maintenance.
• KaiRo created a SeaMonkey Features page and sub-pages for all those that are in development.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.2 Follow-ups and Issues

• Lost Bookmarks bug 673474 and Cookies bug 673672 on auto-update from 2.0.14 to 2.2.
  • Bookmarks can be re-imported from bookmarks.html.
• Users are unhappy about various UX and usability issues with the new Data Manager.
  • Ratty proposes that until all the major pain points are addressed, links to the old individual managers be established (probably from the various Data Manager panes).

2.3

open tracking (0) tracking requests (0) targeted (0) fixed (25)

• The New 2.3 Features page has a comprehensive list of features.
• One user reported lost bookmarks from 2.2 to 2.3. Since Firefox didn't have the same problem, IanN thinks it could be just a broken profile issue.
  • Ratty suggests searching SUMO forums for similar issues with Firefox.
• 2.3.x had ~72,000 ADU yesterday and has had ~62,000 downloads so far.
  • vs. 6,300 on 2.2, 33,500 on 2.0 and 1,800 on 2.1. So another ~6k have migrated to 2.2 or above in the last two weeks.

2.3 Follow-ups and Issues

• werwolf reports that there are no Spanish Es-Ar help files, only English for several releases.
  • RickieES has contacted the es-AR people to offer them the es-ES files. Marcelo Poli said they will use es-ES files while we try to update es-AR content.
    • Status/update?

2.Next

• Callek scheduled 2.4b3 for Sunday.
• SeaMonkey 2.4 is due out towards the end of September (27th) or perhaps early October depending on Firefox and our resources.
  • [InvisibleSmiley:] We need to make sure that anything that landed on comm-beta (for TB) or mozilla-beta (for FF) which affected non-shared code and which fixed regressions will be fixed on our side, too. Examples: Session Store bug 668646 (port bug: bug 671520). IanN agrees.
    • [InvisibleSmiley] We need to try harder to fix regressions ASAP. IMO regressions, especially from the last stable version, need to be addressed with top priority, especially in light of the rapid release train. Also keep an eye on and prioritize bugs to be ported from FF/TB that land on branches (Aurora, Beta). For example bug 668646 landed on Beta, but bug 671520 did not.
• Please help updating the New 2.4 Features page as we go.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for last two (full) weeks: 32 new, 36 fixed, 20 triaged.

• More fixed than new this time, good! Good amount of triaging going on, too.
• Good further triage targets could come out of looking at the component bug counts, pick yours!
• IanN wonders when would be a good time to have another bug day. Perhaps on October, once 2.4 is out?
  • Tonymec and IanN wonder if the last time was mid-week or on weekend. Operation Nugzilla happened from May 18th to 20th (Wed to Fri).
  • Callek_Away tries to triage bugs within 48 hours since they are filed. He hopes to start going through stuff once he gets most of his other todo's caught up; but that may not be as soon as he'd like.

Open reviews/flags: 29 review 13 super-review 0 ui-review 7 feedback

Major wanted/needed features:

Active

• Kill-RDF:
  • bug 657604 Remove the RDF global object. [serge]
• bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition [IanN].
  • Progressing slowly, still waiting on reviews from TB side. Full customization has to go to 2.next (currently 2.6 but could be pushed back further) as it needs work on TB too which is taking a while to get reviews on, plus feedback from kaze.
  • IanN is still unpicking Composer/Mail Compose code in the dependent bugs.
• de-RDF bug 654864 has been finished and landed on all development branches, including 2.3. Still to do:
  • Neil wanted to follow up on some listener issues
  • for the selection issue, see what the TB guys come up with in bug 669203
• bug 515734 Provide More Entries in the Win7 Jumplist Tasks list. [Callek].
  • Fixed and in, in time for the 2.5 train. (Currently in aurora)
• bug 477845 Build a standalone (Comm-central) Composer. [kaze]
  • kaze has done a bit of work in this bug recently. Building on Windows works. Now supports debug builds on Linux if tests are disabled (--disable-tests). Still a lot to do.
  • IanN will see if he can help get builds working with --enable-tests.

Needing help, Unowned, Stalled

• Kill-RDF:
  • bug 657607 Port jminta's kill-rdf to SeaMonkey where applicable Part 2 [meta].
• bug 436794 Enable Mac OS X system address book per default and add UI.
  • SM UI needed, unowned, helpwanted.
• bug 449728 Drag tabs between windows.
• bug 477840 Backport KompoZer to Composer (Depends on bug 477845).
  • kaze has done a ton of work there. We still need to work out some organizational issues. At the moment there is no active interest from MoMo for bringing standalone composer into comm-central. That's something we (KaiRo and kaze) will have to negotiate with the Thunderbird team (Standard8).
• bug 507841 Port Bug 422814 - Make account configuration quick, easy, and more secure (autoconfig, Quick Account Setup).
• bug 533908 SeaMonkey Mail: tabs not restored [misak].
• bug 523274 Complete new default theme icon set.
  • A list of TODO icons is up in the bug.
• bug 526210 Update the icon set for the SeaMonkey Modern Theme.
  • bug 548778 New communicator icons (based on Strata theme) for SeaMonkey. Some proposed icons got posted, we should take a look how to get that contribution into the product.
  • The rest is unowned so far.
• bug 87098 [SeaMonkey] Delete key should delete location bar history list entry.
  • Note: Our location bar history doesn't and can't use autocomplete at all.
• bug 677484 Individual SeaMonkey components are not properly handled by the Windows 7 taskbar.
• bug 654009 Reply to list: automatically determine From: address
  • Note: The actual task here is to port bug 45715 "Reply to List" [button/(context) menu item]

Roundtable - Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).

InvisibleSmiley

• Fixed:
  • bug 686740 Port bug 686366 |Canceling Sign In wizard page triggers "Weave is not defined" error|
  • bug 683716 Port bug 682803 |can't set address book in filters|
  • bug 686174 Update SeaMonkey website for 2.4 Beta 2 release
  • bug 685247 Port |bug 653307 - Adjust reCAPTCHA NoScript hack in Sync| and |bug 670082 - When setting Sync options for the first time, clicking Done does nothing [error: Weave.Engines.get("history") is undefined]|
  • bug 683724 Update SeaMonkey website for 2.3.3 release
  • bug 684650 Update SeaMonkey website for 2.4 Beta 1 release

• Reviewed:
  • bug 684160 Port some recent SyncUI changes to SeaMonkey
  • bug 684536 More Sync Changes: (port bugs 620593, 626099, 630885, 636353 and 642969)

• Working On:
  • bug 687207 Update SeaMonkey website for 2.4 Beta 3 release
  • bug 686616 "Tabs from other computers" Menu item appears when it isn't supposed to.
  • review bug 684537 Port bug 626949 |Sync UI: Style generic change dialogs like the setup and Add a Device wizards| to suite
  • create Sync meta bug and add all Sync bugs left to be ported from FF as dependencies (Callek filed bug 687316)

Ricardo

• About es-AR help files:
  • Several e-mails sent to Marcelo Poli and Guillermo Movia about the issue.
  • es-AR is not translating help files; instead, it uses en-US files...
  • ...but they haven't been updated long time ago, which means that they have &copyright.string; entities no longer existing in help.dtd, which leads to YSOD (Yellow Screens Of Death).
  • They are missing the new mailnews-*.xhtml files, too, although the RDF files link to them, which leads to empty error pages (lke the ones appearing when a server is not available, but without any text in them).
  • I've checked es-ES help files for Spain specific mentions and reported back to Marcelo, so they can easily take es-ES and use them as es-AR with just a few changes.
  • Currently waiting their reply.
• I'm back to work and I won't be able to take meeting minutes, sorry. :-(

tonymec

• FIXED:
  • bug 564100 "No way to tell if a non-current tab has been read: [selected=false] is not possible anymore" (port Firefox bug 487242 "Regression: in userChrome.css no longer possible to distinguish between unvisited tabs, visited tabs, and the selected tab")