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SeaMonkey Meeting Details


  • Who's taking minutes? -> mcsmurf
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • gps (Gregory Szorc) for fixing comm-central after introducing the new system
    • Ms2ger for also fixing comm-central after introducing the new system

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.




Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Tinderbox is going to be EOLed. We need to move the SeaMonkey tinderboxpushlog off. See:
    • bug 843356 [Tracking bug] remove SeaMonkey dependency on
  • Intermittent issue with Mac OSX64 Debug Leak log comprehension. Issue tracked in bug 774844. Also see possibly related Thunderbird bug 806492..
  • We had to "hide" the buildmaster web interface from the public recently. If you're on the "Needs access" list but don't have access touch base with Callek and he will evaluate your access on a case-by-case basis, be prepared to explain WHY you need access to said interface.
  • Two remaining machines on Parallels are the buildmaster (cb-seamonkey-linuxmaster-01) and Linux64 (cb-seamonkey-linux64-01). These need to be migrated to ESX. Specifically:
    • sea-vm-linux64-1 will replace cb-seamonkey-linux64-01 (and is ready to go)
    • sea-master1 will replace the current buildmaster.
  • bug 740633 set up seamonkey HPs in scl3. Hardware installed and iLO configured. CentOS 6.3 installed.11
    • Awaiting puppetmaster fully prepared to instantiate as Linux Mock-Based slaves
  • sea-puppet (one of said hp machines) is ready to be configured as a puppet master (bug 827079), needs audit of the manifests and settings creation.
    • We are unable to use this to instantiate Ubuntu slaves (the newer test platform Firefox is moving to) until/unless we can get more HD space on the host, will treat that as a low priority until other higher need items are done.
  • Windows platform builds are broken by (bug 842341). bug 842445 is to migrate our Win builders to use pymake by default.
  • Windows platform builds are doubly broken due to mozilla-central checkin for bug 839031 [Fixed].
  • For some reason Mac nightlies are out of date. Also L10n Mac builds seem to be missing.
  • comm-* will be building out of mozilla-* eventually. Jcrammer is working on this.

Release Train

  • SeaMonkey 2.16 shipped February 21.
  • SeaMonkey 2.17 Beta 1 shipped February 26.
  • SeaMonkey 2.17 Beta 2 is scheduled for March 8.

Too many betas:

  • mcsmurf/IanN think that we can reduce the number to three or four. Mail has been sent to seamonkey-members to discuss this.
  • Ewong says there is normally 1 beta per week, but due to Callek being in TOR a few weeks ago the betas got pushed together.
  • Callek to drive this conversation to a final outcome until today.

Extensions Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • TB's new release cycle seems to effect Lightning: There is currently no version compatible with SM 2.17 betas on AMO or anywhere else, and only a beta version (2.1b1) compatible with SM 2.16.x.
    • Callek started a discussion with the Lightning team about doing releases for SM in some way, currently waiting for feedback from the TB team.
    • Two options: Ship binary components of Lightning in SeaMonkey/Thunderbird releases; rewrite binary components using JS/c-types
  • Shipped extensions (DOMI, CZ, Venkman) compatibility:
    • Extensions are now compatible by default thus mitigating the issue. Although some people still disable c-b-d and run into issues.
  • Our build team (Callek, ewong, Serge) needs to automate DOMI branch selection rather than having to tweak the every 6 weeks. bug 763506
    • sgautherie thinks that the current DOMi branches/tags are not suitable for automatic SeaMonkey branch selection.
    • Need some traction on this. IanN spoke to Serge at MozCampEU. Serge is waiting for Callek/ewong to agree what needs to happen and to say what is workable or not.
    • In the past Serge often pushed this forward for us. But with Serge on a sabbatical, Ewong thinks he should talk to Callek in getting this automated.
    • For 2.16, compatibility bumps were done as outlined in bug 808426.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

  • 2.16 had ~60,900 ADU by Tuesday 26th February and has had ~63,900 downloads so far.
    • Of the released versions, as of Tuesday 26th February, we have 7.4% on 2.0, 2.4% on 2.1-2.3, 2.9% on 2.4-2.6, 3.9% on 2.7-2.9, 5.6% on 2.10-2.12, 4.2% on 2.13, 5.5% on 2.14, 24.3% on 2.15 and 44.0% on 2.16.
    • Some people cannot upgrade due to system requirements (OS version, processor capabilities etc.). This even more applies to 2.10 which dropped support for Win2k and WinXP without SP2, and 2.14 dropping Mac OS X 10.5 support.
    • We now have a webpage for latest builds available for "Legacy Platforms" like PPC (bug 759315)
  • See Basics page for the usual reminders.


open tracking (0) tracking requests (4) targeted (0) fixed (5)


  • Current breakages:
    • TBD
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Note: Please file bugs if you notice any landing on mozilla-central that might break us. Please don't depend on Ratty noticing such landings.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • bug 737615 Remove use of synchronous cache API from unit tests. Tracked in:
      • bug 804972 Remove synchronous calls to nsICacheSession::openCacheEntry in SeaMonkey tests.
      • Mcsmurf says this is almost fixed but there was a test failure. He will close this bug and open a new one for the failure.
    • bug 793634 Force builds to be compatible with gtk 2.18/glib 2.22. Tracked in:
      • bug 795354 Migrate SeaMonkey Linux builders to CentOS 6.
      • bug 794772 Port |Bug 713802 - Build with GIO support (and drop GnomeVFS)|. This is dependent on bug 795354.
    • bug 795144 default --disable-gnomeui icon theme support
      • porting bug needed for the two changesets? Changes could be folded into bug 794772 above.
      • IanN says he will look into these issues. Ewong is also working on bug 794772.
    • bug 834457 Remove deprecated synchronous APIs from Places. Tracked in:
      • bug 834493 Drop livemarks support from SMILE [Fixed].
      • bug 834498 Remove usage of setPageTitle and isVisited from Seamonkey's tests Needs fixing. Mak is getting impatient.
    • bug 839034 move markPageAsXXX methods to nsINavHistoryService. Tracked in:

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 46 new, 36 fixed, 24 triaged.

  • Medium triaging effort.

Open reviews/flags: 29 review 8 super-review 1 ui-review 8 feedback

  • bug 847546 Support Retina Display (HiDPI) on SeaMokney on MacOS X.
    • Ratty thinks we will need 2x PNGs as well as other changes. See Core Tracking bug 785330 for supporting HiDPI mode (Retina Display) on Mac OS X.
  • See Feature List page for major wanted/needed features.
    • Ratty suggests featuring one or more bugs from that page at each meeting.
  • Featured helpwanted bugs:
    • bug 436794 Enable Mac OS X system address book per default and add UI.

Good First Bugs

  • Note: The GFB list is open to all including our regular contributors.
  • Ratty is working on an updated GFB list, suggestions welcome.
  • New GFBs recently added:
  • Currently there are 24 GFBs open, 2 are being actively worked on. bug 735333 needs some help getting this running on the try-server. Mcsmurf is assisting.
  • List of Open mentored bugs.
    • Ratty notes that there are 23 bugs that are GFBs but without the mentor keyword. These need to be audited to see if they are really suitable as GFBs.
  • In the last two weeks since the previous meeting:
    • bug 735333 Use Services.prefs instead of preferences-service / gPrefService, in SeaMonkey code. Mcsmurf will check in the Services.prefs patches soon. IanN says that once this is done, it's worth asking people who use trunk to give those areas a good test, because we have regressed before with Services.jsm landings.
      • Mcsmurf did some testing on this, but need to check how to "discover" JS bugs, as they don't generate TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL in the log.
    • bug 752331 Atul had to give up on this bug due to illness. Ratty will leave this open for the time being.
  • Mentors of stalled bugs should try to communicate with the assignees and if they can't work on them any more to unassign/free up those bugs.

Roundtable - Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).




  • bug 841627 Add SeaMonkey 2.16 to bouncer.
  • bug 842537 No Mac OS X l10n builds for -aurora and -central.
  • bug 843517 Update SeaMonkey website for 2.16.
  • bug 844376 Add SeaMonkey 2.17 Beta 1 to bouncer.
  • bug 845839 Use MySQL DB for buildbot instead of sqlite.

Working on:

  • bug 740633 set up seamonkey HPs in scl3.
  • bug 817383 SeaMonkey needs new (public) GPG key, in order to support signing releases properly.
  • bug 827079 Setup SeaMonkey PuppetMaster.
  • bug 827178 Update stage.m.o cron to match recent changes with ffxbld cron.
  • bug 845641 Add SeaMonkey 2.17 Beta 2 to bouncer.
  • bug 845843 Finalize/Configure SeaMonkey BuildAPI.
  • bug 845844 Deploy updated tbpl to


  • Fixed:
    • bug 837988 - Remove 1.9.1 and 2.0 builders from the builders config.
    • bug 844578 - Change mentions of winstripe/gnomestripe/pinstripe in SeaMonkey themes to windows/linux/mac
    • bug 844781 - Element.setAttribute(attr, null); now sets the attribute to the string "null" instead of the empty string
  • Review:
    • bug 624432 - Port |Bug 337964 - changing account during message composing doesn't apply signing prefs from new account| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 739056 - Port |Bug 715099 - Convert nsProfileMigrator to JS so we can use JS modules on migration| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 807326 - Context menu Search should be available in textareas/inputs as well (Port Bug 565717)
  • Working On:
    • bug 633937 - Port bug 562048 to suite.
    • bug 813844 - Port changes from Bug 718067 and changes from Bug 808219 (Firefox Health Reporter service)
    • bug 834690 - Port |Bug 569342 - Find bar should not be enabled in about:addons| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 834691 - Port |Bug 632233| to SeaMonkey (XULBrowserWindow.onLocationChange looks for a "disablefastfind" attribute in all content documents before ruling them out)
    • bug 837649 - [Tracking Bug] Stop OSX 10.5 support for SeaMonkey project
    • bug 837650 - Stop support for OSX 10.5 in suite/ tree


  • Some testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
  • Checked in pending review:
  • Waiting for review:
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
    • bug 778534 Use image instead of html:img in instant messaging
    • bug 808835 Add l10n.ini file for Chatzilla
  • Reviewed and waiting for feedback from mobile peer:
  • Working on:
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • bug 689253 Add en-GB locale to Firefox for Android
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with --enable-tests.




  • Filed bug 842537 No Mac OS X l10n builds for -aurora and -central
  • Fixed bug 842198 Move browser_bug822367.js test to browser/
  • Filed bug 843594 [SeaMonkey] TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | test_autoconfigXML.js | test failed (with xpcshell return code: 3), see following log:
  • Worked on non-public things
  • Wondered about bug 846609 dom-inspector build config changes in a world :-)






  • bug 738952 "Save as..." File menu entry or Ctrl+S produces unexpected results when having a PDF file opened within PDF Viewer (Core).
  • bug 843800 PopupNotifications needs to know about location changes in background tabs (will land on Aurora when trees have greened up).
  • bug 831485 _virtualenv and mozilla/_virtualenv in each c-c objdir.
  • bug 844497 Open Location dialog should not save state when opened in a private window.
  • bug 843800 PopupNotifications needs to know about location changes in background tabs.

Working on:

  • bug 846762 Inconsistent close behaviour of private windows (will land when trees have greened up).

Working on, but would appreciate feedback:

Waiting for rereview:

  • bug 842191 Implement notifications for mixed content blocker.

Waiting for review:

  • bug 846763 Browser Feed Preview is broken due to xbl_scopes.
  • bug 842194 Download manager does not update when removing download.

Still waiting for review from Standard8 (suggestions of alternate reviewers would be appreciated):

  • bug 829208 External API build busted after bug 807678.
  • bug 831993 convert nsISupportsArray m_serversToGetNewMailFor variable from nsPop3IncomingServer.cpp to something better.



  • bug 842618 SeaMonkey contains PrivateBrowsingUtils.jsm, but it throws an exception if used.
  • bug 843594 [SeaMonkey] TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | test_autoconfigXML.js | test failed (with xpcshell return code: 3), see following log:

Working on:

  • VS2008 bustage fix for bug 722299 Implement new IDN Unicode display algorithm.


  • Did some reviews.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.







    • bug 840003 Icons for special IMAP folder (Inbox, trash, ...) are not shown when folder is shared
      • has patch (r? Neil, sr? Mnyromyr) yet maybe WONTFIX ?
      • How important is it to know that a folder is shared? See bug 840003 comment #9

Any other business?

  • Basic Private Browsing support has been turned on and most things should work but some edge cases have probably been missed. Testing would be appreciated! Please file bugs as blocking the meta bug 460895.
  • The next Bug Day: Tonymec says either some time after Easter holiday, or during the holiday, depending what we decide. Easter holiday in Belgium is 1-14 April this year. Exact date TBD.
    • Need serious discussion about exactly what bug days should change, what they are for, etc.
  • Test failures
    • qawanted, especially on Linux and MacOSX specific issues: reproducing and reporting would already help.
    • Serge says that on Linux and MacOSX, he just needs someone to actually run the tests and report what they see (screen, console, etc). For example, there is a Mac test about Ctrl+W not working. This should be so trivial.
    • Tonymec suggests that any enthusiastic user, even non-technical, should be able to do some testing (litmus?) and not be scared by technical language and such.
    • IanN suggests reaching out to the user community using the newsgroups and forums.
    • Ratty to liaise with Serge when he gets back on doing a write up how the community can help us with this.