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=== Action Items ===
=== Action Items ===


# Prepare Thunderbird 3 Alpha 1 release notes for the upcoming release.
 
#* nth10sd has the [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429235#c20 next revision] out.
* Shredder (name for Alpha 1 / nightlies), davida owns the bug
#* '''Everyone:''' Please comment on how we can improve the release notes (ping davida if you want to see the staging version).
** Most likely on the SVN, looking to move to wiki in the future.
#* '''davida''' still has to fill in some bits.
** Shredder will be both Minefield/Gran Paradiso equivalent for the moment.
# We need a code name for non-release TB builds.
** philor has reasons why names should be different for nightlies and alphas though.
#* Discussions [http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird/browse_thread/thread/9ec84ee3da0f5eb6 in the newsgroup].
*** davida will talk to him about names.
#** Currently no clear winner.
#* We have to have the equivalent of Firefox's Minefield/Gran Paradiso combination though.
#* '''davida''' post in newsgroup asking for scary names.
#* Lots of work to do to set it up, so this won't be done for Thunderbird 3.0a1.


=== [[Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a1]] ===
=== [[Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a1]] ===
* Code freeze entered on Wednesday, April 23, 23:59 Pacific
 
* [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&resolution=---&chfieldto=Now&known_name=blocking-thunderbird3.0a1%2B&query_based_on=blocking-thunderbird3.0a1%2B&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=blocking-thunderbird3.0a1%2B 4 remaining blockers]
* Nominations coming in, nothing too big to block
** One needs review, one is release notes.
** {{bug|431788}} - Which website should it be on?
** The newsgroups one will probably have the patch backed out due to lack of information and understanding.
* dmose talked to joduinn about the start of the process
** Last one tbd, but may not be a blocker or already fixed.
** Keep the Shredder Alpha 1 bug up-to-date
** We should be able to clear the blockers today.
** Nick will focus on Firefox 3 RCs though once that comes around.
* Verbiage is on the Tinderboxen forbidding checkins to mail/ and mailnews/ of non-3.0a1-blocking bugs without explicit approvals.  Those directories will remain closed until we've cleared the blocker list (either by fixing or cutting remaining bugs), spun builds, and tagged the release.
** We will work with Nick on this, depending on his timetable.
** dmose posted update on current status and expectations to newsgroups
 
* We're building a [[Releases/Thunderbird_3.0a1|release checklist]] as we go, so that this stuff is written down somewhere, possibly either updating or starting from http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Mozilla_Release_Checklist. http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/Beta2ReleaseChecklist looks like useful source material as well.
* Rick
** '''nth10sd''' to add QA activities to release check list
** Some configs' got their reviews denied.
** '''Rick''' to add build activities to release check list
** Still to be improved.
* Once dev is happy with code-base, could use date or tag to "mark" the build.
** Issues about tinderbox, buildbot, mozconfig to be sorted out etc.
** Must keep a clear record written down somewhere.
** Pull date of 2008-05-01
** Best to use date or a tag and check-in to trunk and tag any remaining required fixes.
*** Unless davida wants to take in one last {{bug|432188}}
* Not planning on doing automatic updates between alphas
*** Not a blocking though, still nominated.
** Mainly due to QA load.
*** Tag will then change.
** Could use start-page to notify users of new version instead.
** Ideal date is to have a build on Thursday
** '''Rick''' to check that the correct channel is set so that we won't provide updates to alpha people, but we can later provide updates between betas.
*** There is still the build configs sorted out though.
* Release Builds
*** If no build available for Thursday, we'll use nightlies for testday.
** Expect problems, we'll be using buildbot and Firefox didn't do its alphas with the buildbot automation.
** If things drag on, we'll branch.
** '''Rick''' to talk to MoCo build engineers to find out when the builds are likely
** If not, we'll release on Friday or Monday, then we'll reopen the tree.


=== AMO recommended list ===
=== AMO recommended list ===


* {{bug|425333}} has been closed at it's current state
 
* A DRAFT list of recommendations with categories has been created at [[Talk:Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2008-04-29#Draft_List_with_Categories]]  
* Bryan has a draft, sent to the newsgroup, will blog about it as well.
* We (via clarkbw) have admin access to AMO so we can make our changes in the future without necessarily filing bugs
** Categories, recommended ones etc.
* Still need to send out draft recommended list to get final feedback
** Will finalize by today or tomorrow.
*** Also collaborating with [http://nic-nac-project.de/~kaosmos/index-en.html Nic Nac].
*** e.g. A Nic Nac extension improves return receipts.
** Will advise CMU team to head to the newsgroup.


(see the [[Talk:Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2008-04-29|Talk Page]] for more details)
(see the [[Talk:Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2008-04-29|Talk Page]] for more details)
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'''Last Bug Day''' [[Thunderbird:QA_TestDay:2008-05-01|Thursday 1st May 2008]]
'''Last Bug Day''' [[Thunderbird:QA_TestDay:2008-05-01|Thursday 1st May 2008]]


*
* Bug numbers dropping, good sign.
 
'''Next Bug Day''' [[Thunderbird:QA_TestDay:2008-05-08|Thursday 8th May 2008]]
 
*


'''Test Day'''
'''Next <strike>Bug</strike> Test Day''' [[Thunderbird:QA_TestDay:2008-05-08|Thursday 8th May 2008]]


Thunderbird 3 Alpha 1 testday to be decided, once Rick comes up with the Alpha builds.
* QA testplan is up
* We can always change Bug Days to Test Days late in the day if specific items need testing.
** We'll redirect testers to Litmus, will follow up with Coop about Thunderbird trunk litmus testcases.
*** Update: seems that this would not be completed in time.
** Will use nightlies if Alpha 1 bits are not out yet.


=== Roundtable ===
=== Roundtable ===
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* {{bug|430762}} filed to track this idea.
* {{bug|430762}} filed to track this idea.
* Would be good to have especially if http hosted.
* Would be good to have especially if http hosted.
** Update: davida is the owner.


davida:
davida:
* Set up a ui-review flag, so that the bugs where UI review is really needed can be flagged up to Bryan.
* Set up a ui-review flag, so that the bugs where UI review is really needed can be flagged up to Bryan.
** Update: ui-review is normally used per-patch.
*** Screenshots should get attached as well.


Standard8:
Standard8:
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rick:
rick:
* Wants to know how to increase disk swap on the Mac.
** He can ask in #maildev
* Still stumped by {{bug|411171}}, altho no longer to be considered a blocker for 3.0a1
* Still stumped by {{bug|411171}}, altho no longer to be considered a blocker for 3.0a1
* working on getting the tinderbox configs for 3.0a1 completed.  Two attempts at a patch for the existing configs are close, but not complete.  Will be going thru a proper patch with Nick
* working on getting the tinderbox configs for 3.0a1 completed.  Two attempts at a patch for the existing configs are close, but not complete.  Will be going thru a proper patch with Nick
dmose:
* 3.0a1 driving
** WIll go back to reviews soon, depends on how things go with Alpha 1
beckley:
* Mostly finished with save/restore of open windows.  Some issues with tabs which will wait for more work to be done on tabs.
* sid0 is starting up on the Windows Desktop Search integration with Thunderbird.  He will be reusing bienvenu's Spotlight integration code.
emre:
* Worked on CPU consumption {{bug|429929}}. A temporary patch has been submitted by Markus that fixes the problem for now. 2 different bugs have been filed to address this issue. See bug comments.
* Continuing TB design documentation.
* Worked on {{bug|383489}}. Planning to fix this week.
* Made some progress about dummy protocol implementation. Not completed.
* Planning to dig into data storage and search design and implementation of TB. Going to work with clarkbw on search.
* Dale hasn't got back to him yet, he's busy recently, will get back together soon
** May work on offline IMAP stuff together
* davida: should get Bryan, Emre, sid0 and beckley to have a chat about search.
asuth:
* pecobro, the performance code browser
** ...is now usable for stuff! hooray!
** Considering name change to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capybara capybara], an adorable rodent thing, as suggested by dascher.  Then we can have a logo and a less made-up name.
** Using it to fix {{bug|296453}}, the slow IMAP deletion bug.  Interestingly, the OS X progressbar performance issues seem to be made visible in the (un-trimmed) trace with many calls to XULWindow/ChromeWindow.setAttribute and progressmeter.xml/ChromeWindow.nextStep.
** Plan to provide documentation for other people to learn how to use the generated by-products to infer things.
** Plan to provide some way for other people to generate their own traces and get them processed by pecobro.  This will probably initially take the form of an OS X build they can run and then some quasi- or fully-automated means of getting the trace processed.  (Need to provide a build because I have made changes to the Mozilla USDT DTrace probes that are not yet in trunk.)
** Need to get my Mozilla USDT DTrace mods (or equivalent) into the trunk.
** Going to get back to using against sunbird/lightning (on the trunk) for performance.
** If anyone has any bugs that seeing what's happening in the land of javascript would be useful, let asuth know.
* Going to look into the message list view stuff that clarkbw has been looking into.  Also interested in the search stuff for visualization reasons.
* dmose: sayrer is interested in asuth's work
* asuth volunteered to create a tag meta-bug for thunderbird (during the after-call-proper-but-still-on-call search-related discussion)


=== Attendees ===
=== Attendees ===


davida (David), dmose (Dan), nth10sd (Gary), Standard8 (Mark), Emre, Rick, clarkbw (Bryan), asuth (Andrew), beckley (Jeff), wsmwk (Wayne)


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Thunderbird Meeting Details

Agenda

Action Items

  • Shredder (name for Alpha 1 / nightlies), davida owns the bug
    • Most likely on the SVN, looking to move to wiki in the future.
    • Shredder will be both Minefield/Gran Paradiso equivalent for the moment.
    • philor has reasons why names should be different for nightlies and alphas though.
      • davida will talk to him about names.

Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a1

  • Nominations coming in, nothing too big to block
  • dmose talked to joduinn about the start of the process
    • Keep the Shredder Alpha 1 bug up-to-date
    • Nick will focus on Firefox 3 RCs though once that comes around.
    • We will work with Nick on this, depending on his timetable.
  • Rick
    • Some configs' got their reviews denied.
    • Still to be improved.
    • Issues about tinderbox, buildbot, mozconfig to be sorted out etc.
    • Pull date of 2008-05-01
      • Unless davida wants to take in one last bug 432188
      • Not a blocking though, still nominated.
      • Tag will then change.
    • Ideal date is to have a build on Thursday
      • There is still the build configs sorted out though.
      • If no build available for Thursday, we'll use nightlies for testday.
    • If things drag on, we'll branch.
    • If not, we'll release on Friday or Monday, then we'll reopen the tree.

AMO recommended list

  • Bryan has a draft, sent to the newsgroup, will blog about it as well.
    • Categories, recommended ones etc.
    • Will finalize by today or tomorrow.
      • Also collaborating with Nic Nac.
      • e.g. A Nic Nac extension improves return receipts.
    • Will advise CMU team to head to the newsgroup.

(see the Talk Page for more details)

QA Updates

Bug day results are constantly updated in a spreadsheet. UNCO Graph continues to look good - dropped ~250 bugs in 1.5 months.

Last Bug Day Thursday 1st May 2008

  • Bug numbers dropping, good sign.

Next Bug Test Day Thursday 8th May 2008

  • QA testplan is up
    • We'll redirect testers to Litmus, will follow up with Coop about Thunderbird trunk litmus testcases.
      • Update: seems that this would not be completed in time.
    • Will use nightlies if Alpha 1 bits are not out yet.

Roundtable

Improvement of Start page for future Alphas

  • Proposed by Ron K on the previous bugday session.
  • bug 430762 filed to track this idea.
  • Would be good to have especially if http hosted.
    • Update: davida is the owner.

davida:

  • Set up a ui-review flag, so that the bugs where UI review is really needed can be flagged up to Bryan.
    • Update: ui-review is normally used per-patch.
      • Screenshots should get attached as well.

Standard8:

  • Located some memory leak issues bug 431404, bug 431414
  • Removed some dead code bug 431415
  • Fixed LDAP ABs so that non-ASCII Bind DNs are supported bug 389655
  • Password Manager
    • Started tidying up the SMTP service/url code and related items in preparation to help Password Manager migration (wallet -> toolkit) work.
    • Will need some detailed look at.
  • Unit Tests bug 406227
    • 2 out of 5 bugs now fixed.
    • 1 bug has patch that needs extending and test case
    • I have a basic understanding of at least the causes of the failures for the other 2 bugs.
  • Want to look at this week:
    • Review policy/Guidelines proposal for tests in mailnews.
    • Get (updated) patches up for all of the remaining unit test bugs
    • Password Manager
    • Start researching Ts (startup time) tests

nth10sd:

  • Preparation for QA testday in view of Thunderbird 3 Alpha 1, IRC meeting held
    • Bought improved hardware (Memory & disk space) for testing in VMs
    • Also prepared QA wiki pages for the alpha release, formulated QA testplan
  • Release notes now done by davida
  • Patches for some trivial UI naming issues bug 218500, bug 249620
  • Occasional bug triage
    • Testday coming up on Thursday, hopefully we'll have Alpha 1 bits out.

clarkbw:

rick:

  • Wants to know how to increase disk swap on the Mac.
    • He can ask in #maildev
  • Still stumped by bug 411171, altho no longer to be considered a blocker for 3.0a1
  • working on getting the tinderbox configs for 3.0a1 completed. Two attempts at a patch for the existing configs are close, but not complete. Will be going thru a proper patch with Nick

dmose:

  • 3.0a1 driving
    • WIll go back to reviews soon, depends on how things go with Alpha 1

beckley:

  • Mostly finished with save/restore of open windows. Some issues with tabs which will wait for more work to be done on tabs.
  • sid0 is starting up on the Windows Desktop Search integration with Thunderbird. He will be reusing bienvenu's Spotlight integration code.

emre:

  • Worked on CPU consumption bug 429929. A temporary patch has been submitted by Markus that fixes the problem for now. 2 different bugs have been filed to address this issue. See bug comments.
  • Continuing TB design documentation.
  • Worked on bug 383489. Planning to fix this week.
  • Made some progress about dummy protocol implementation. Not completed.
  • Planning to dig into data storage and search design and implementation of TB. Going to work with clarkbw on search.
  • Dale hasn't got back to him yet, he's busy recently, will get back together soon
    • May work on offline IMAP stuff together
  • davida: should get Bryan, Emre, sid0 and beckley to have a chat about search.

asuth:

  • pecobro, the performance code browser
    • ...is now usable for stuff! hooray!
    • Considering name change to capybara, an adorable rodent thing, as suggested by dascher. Then we can have a logo and a less made-up name.
    • Using it to fix bug 296453, the slow IMAP deletion bug. Interestingly, the OS X progressbar performance issues seem to be made visible in the (un-trimmed) trace with many calls to XULWindow/ChromeWindow.setAttribute and progressmeter.xml/ChromeWindow.nextStep.
    • Plan to provide documentation for other people to learn how to use the generated by-products to infer things.
    • Plan to provide some way for other people to generate their own traces and get them processed by pecobro. This will probably initially take the form of an OS X build they can run and then some quasi- or fully-automated means of getting the trace processed. (Need to provide a build because I have made changes to the Mozilla USDT DTrace probes that are not yet in trunk.)
    • Need to get my Mozilla USDT DTrace mods (or equivalent) into the trunk.
    • Going to get back to using against sunbird/lightning (on the trunk) for performance.
    • If anyone has any bugs that seeing what's happening in the land of javascript would be useful, let asuth know.
  • Going to look into the message list view stuff that clarkbw has been looking into. Also interested in the search stuff for visualization reasons.
  • dmose: sayrer is interested in asuth's work
  • asuth volunteered to create a tag meta-bug for thunderbird (during the after-call-proper-but-still-on-call search-related discussion)

Attendees

davida (David), dmose (Dan), nth10sd (Gary), Standard8 (Mark), Emre, Rick, clarkbw (Bryan), asuth (Andrew), beckley (Jeff), wsmwk (Wayne)


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