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SeaMonkey Meeting Details


  • Who's taking minutes? -> mcsmurf
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • -

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.




Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • We are perma-red and perma-orange on comm-central due to not having a recent enough version of Python (or if we do, the build scripts aren't finding them).
    • On trunk Linux and OSX trunk builds are perma-red. Windows en-US builds are being successfully compiled but tests are not working due to a dependency on python 2.7.3.
    • bug 908090 ImportError: No module named json, on SeaMonkey Linux/Windows (all) test runs, due to (still) using Python 2.5. We do have python 2.7 installed but our build system is picking up python 2.5 instead.
    • pymake is failing with "invalid syntax" again because of an outdated Python.
  • No langpacks since 29th August on trunk. Needs investigating.
    • Windows and Mac trunk langpacks directories have been removed on the FTP server, maybe for lack of recent XPIs (later than 2.20a1). Latest Linux langpacks are dated 29 August. Callek told Tonymec on IRC he has a hunch about why but more pressing things to do first.
    • In Bug 902876 Comment 12 Mcsmurf is waiting for feedback from the build team on how to proceed.
    • Trunk, Aurora and Beta TBPLs are far more orange (or even red) than green; at the top of Aurora and Beta TBPLs there is a link to bug 870207 which is RESOLVED WONTFIX since June. SeaMonkey::RelEng bug 884454 has been opened as a followup.
  • Newer version of TBPL at [1].
  • Buildmaster is up and running.
    • Callek is hand-approving requests for CLOSED TREE landings until he gets things stable enough to reopen the tree.
  • bug 740633 set up seamonkey HPs in scl3. Hardware installed and iLO configured. CentOS 6.3 installed.
  • comm-* will be building out of mozilla-* eventually (bug 648979 etc.). Jcrammer is working on this.

Release Train

  • No ETA for SeaMonkey 2.22b1. Thunderbird 25.0b1 hasn't been released either.
    • Release is delayed until Ewong gets in contact with Callek.

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings
  • bug 888478 DOM Inspector could not be installed.
    • The Windows version of SeaMonkey 2.21 is affected but not Linux. The install.rdf is missing in affected builds. The last SeaMonkey 2.23 nightly build (before uplift to 2.24) does not seem to be affected possibly because of the other build changes during that cycle (bug 914560).
  • There are now Lightning versions for both SM 2.20 (Lightning 2.5b2) and SM 2.21 betas (Lightning 2.6b1) available on AMO.
    • Might need to point out in release notes that users needs to install the Lightning beta versions for the SeaMonkey releases (as Lightning follows Thunderbird 17.0.x release schedule)
    • Problem: Linking to will provide users with versions that do not put them on the addons beta update channel; also linking to a specific version would need updating with every release
    • Linking to does not jump to the correct page position as loads the user comments for the addon after pageload. So it first moves to the correct position (page anchor) and after that it loads the user comments
  • Our build team needs to automate DOMI branch selection rather than having to tweak the every 6 weeks. bug 763506
  • Tb/Sm QuickFolders development version 3.12beta2 released 2013-09-18 includes among other things "numerous SeaMonkey bugfixes" which aren't yet in the "stable" version 3.12 — or in the beta1 for that matter. Since then a beta3 has already been issued, and on September 25 a "3.12.1 maintenance release with important bugfixes" whose release notes don't explicitly mention SeaMonkey (but the same "SeaMonkey bugfixes" are probably included).
  • Beta version 3.7pre20131013 of Nightly Tester Tools (supporting display of both mozilla-central and comm-central changesets) has been released just before the meeting. A release 3.7 seems imminent. Stay tuned to this channel, more news will appear as we get them.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

  • [From a previous meeting:] There is a problem with the metrics server, so no current data is available
  • See Basics page for the usual reminders.


open tracking (0) tracking requests (0) targeted (1) fixed (41)


  • Current issues:
    • [MailNews] Multiple issues with HTML signatures have been reported. SeaMonkey 2.21 and Thunderbird 24.0 are experiencing fallout from making signatures opaque (bug 855135, bug 855684). Printing of signatures is broken (bug 920997). This was caused by Core bug 700003. Some Thunderbird users don't like their entire signature being grayed out (bug 917906)
  • Current breakages:
    • [mozilla-central] bug 856270 Update nsEditorSpellCheck to use nsIContentPrefService2.
      • This broke comm-central in various ways:
      • Core bug 887010 InlineSpellChecker.addDictionaryListToMenu fails if called straight after InlineSpellChecker.enabled is set to true (and no async work around).
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Note: Please file bugs if you notice any landing on mozilla-central that might break us. Please don't depend on Ratty noticing such landings.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 831208 (asyncContentPrefsUse) Refactor asyncContentPrefs consumers to use the async API. Tracked in:
      • bug 909093 Update SeaMonkey to use nsIContentPrefService2. Mcsmurf is currently working on this.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite.
    • bug 769764 move proxy resolution to separate thread and remove sync api. Tracked in:
      • MailNews bug 791645 Rewrite calls to synchronous nsIProtocolProxyService::DeprecatedBlockingResolve with Async code before DeprecatedBlockingResolve disappears as well.
    • bug 793634 Force builds to be compatible with gtk 2.18/glib 2.22. Tracked in:
    • bug 795144 default --disable-gnomeui icon theme support
      • porting bug needed for the two changesets? Changes could be folded into bug 794772 above. *** IanN and Ewong are looking into this..
    • bug 627699 Port GTK2 to GTK3. Tracked in:
      • bug 882036 Port GTK2 to GTK3 - SeaMonkey Part.
      • A Red Hat person seems to be working on the GTK3 integration.
    • bug 846635 Use asynchronous getCharsetForURI in getShortcutOrURI. bug 834543 Add asynchronous version of setCharsetForURI and getCharsetForURI. Tracked in:
      • bug 896947 Use asynchronous version of setCharsetForURI and getCharsetForURI in getShortcutOrURI and other places.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned.

Feature List, Planning

Private Browsing is now working and uplifted to SeaMonkey 2.19. Currently we are treating this feature as Experimental because although most things are working some edge cases have probably been missed. Hopefully any remaining bugs will be found before we formally announce.

  • Testing would be appreciated! Please file bugs as blocking the meta bug 460895.
  • TODO The about:privatebrowsing page needs UI polish (bug 842439).

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 17 new, 11 fixed, 16 triaged.

  • Medium triaging effort.

Open reviews/flags: 23 review 7 super-review 2 ui-review 6 feedback

Roundtable - Personal Status Updates

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).




  • bug 812981 Put up snippets for linux64 minor and major updates to SeaMonkey 2.19 and Beta to current Beta of SeaMonkey.
  • bug 827178 Update stage.m.o cron to match recent changes with ffxbld cron.
  • bug 845844 Deploy updated tbpl to
  • bug 884454 Bring up sea-master1 with puppet.
  • bug 890429 SeaMonkey master failing to upload log files.


  • Fixed:
  • Checkin-needed:
  • Review:
    • bug 840427 - Migrate SeaMonkey builders to using mock
    • bug 853720 - After bug 827446, SeaMonkey doesn't know mozcrash.
    • bug 918853 - Existing Thunderbird profile is no longer offered for import in a first-run situation
  • Working On:
    • bug 110904 - attach signature fails silently on bad paths
    • bug 507676 - Port |Bug 435804 - Remaining rdf cleanup for FilterListDialog| to SeaMonkey
    • bug 837649 - [Tracking Bug] Stop OSX 10.5 support for SeaMonkey project
    • bug 837650 - Stop support for OSX 10.5 in suite/ tree
    • bug 863747 - Add option to disable Location bar history
    • bug 864291 - Remove "Personas" from UI and Help
    • bug 900422 - Debug Preferences should handle nglayout.debug.paint_flashing_chrome
  • To Do:


  • Attended Moz Summit 2013 in Brussels.
  • Some testing, reviewing and commenting.
  • Fixed:
  • Pending check in:
  • Checked in pending review:
    • bug 921605 Shortcut key for the Inspector was changed in Firefox 25 and needs to be updated and pluginNotification.width change
  • Waiting for feedback/review:
  • Fixing review comments before checkin:
    • bug 757230 When using add button for permissions in Data Manager set a displayHost
    • bug 798147 Switch to correct pref pane if pref window already open
    • bug 778534 Use image instead of html:img in instant messaging
  • Working on:
    • Various SM Council documents.
    • bug 606683 Allow customization of toolbar in Composer and MailNews Composition
    • bug 639690 [META] Re-arrange code between editor and editorOverlay
    • bug 773979 [META] Switch to new drag and drop api in SeaMonkey
    • bug 657234 Move pasteQuote and pasteNoFormatting into contentAreaContextOverlay
    • File/Folder selection in windows.
  • To Do:
    • bug 639395 Get cmd_fontSize to reflect current state of selected content / content at caret.
    • Prefs-in-a-tab.
    • Create FAQ for Friends of the Fish Tank.
    • Help get composer standalone builds working with --enable-tests.




  • Investigated/filed bug 926083 Firefox trunk fails to link libxul with MSVC 2012 and newer: "error LNK2038 [...] value 'MT_StaticRelease' doesn't match value 'MD_DynamicRelease'" (affects SeaMonkey as well)
  • Filed/fixed bug 926043 Port build system changes from Bug 585016 and Bug 924615 to comm-central
  • Some review work
  • Had fun at the Summit, thanks Mozilla :)




Fixed on comm-central:

  • bug 925803 Fix bustage caused by Bug 717490 removing support for importing logins from legacy signons.txt format.

Fixed on mozilla-central:

  • bug 906920 Implement additional toolkit features in XPFE autocomplete widget.
  • bug 911090 Previous form autocomplete result is sometimes used when it shouldn't because its searchString is incorrect.
  • bug 921751's -o option writes incorrect line endings on Windows.

Waiting for possible comm-aurora approval:

  • bug 914611 Inconsistent references to plugin placeholder elements.

Still waiting for review:

  • bug 909093 Update SeaMonkey to use nsIContentPrefService2.
  • bug 920677 Click-to-play plugins fail to show placeholder after resizing.
  • bug 920947 Need to remove plugin doorhanger when last CTP plugin is removed from document.

Still poking at:

  • bug 514173 Make string literal buffers shareable.

Still abandoned:

Instead you can view the web console remotely once you enable the built-in debugger. Now with full review!



Waiting for check-in on CLOSED TREE:

  • bug 154772 Tooltip for address bar should show complete current URL.
  • bug 916865 Revert the part of bug 906083 which changed the
  • bug 920951 Update SeaMonkey Safebrowsing preferences to sync with Mozilla-Central bug 842828.


  • bug 926279 Build error since bug 924615: Venkman and Chatzilla can't build because: "shell metacharacter '{' in command line"

Waiting for review:

  • bug 58986 The Find dialog should show autocomplete with recent searches.
  • bug 920070 Add a few IDs to the File menuitems to make it easier for extensions to overlay.

Working on:

Other stuff:

  • Went to Santa Clara for Mozilla Summit 2013.
  • Did some reviews Avoided doing any reviews because I couldn't build suite for a week.
  • Bug triage and Bug discussions.
  • Usual end user support and PR in newsgroups and Mozillazine.


Fixed on trunk:

  • bug 919347 Incorrect label for SSL Warnings preferences in Security Sockets Layer pane.
  • bug 904189 Document changes in SSL warnings and new options for mixed content blocker in Security Socket Layer preference pane.
  • bug 902131 Add note for "legacy content" to Mail & News Character Encoding preferences and update Help.
  • bug 916823 Change Folder Properties labels for incoming mail character encoding from "default" to "fallback" after bug 846221 introduced it for browser prefs.

Waiting for checkin on comm-central:

  • bug 920997 Printing of signature is broken, positioning of signature in document subject to bogus offset and cropping.

Fixed on aurora and beta:

  • bug 918425 Print dialog box appears under other open windows for Mail & News.

Waiting for branch approval:

  • bug 920997 Printing of signature is broken, positioning of signature in document subject to bogus offset and cropping.


  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.




Waiting for super-review:

  • bug 69489 keyboard shortcut for opening/closing sidebar that works on mac.



Any other business?

  • SeaMonkey people in Brussels at the Summit did a meet-up. Was nice to see you all again! :D