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SeaMonkey Meeting Details


  • Who's taking minutes? -> frg from the logs
  • Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank:
    • none

Action Items

(who needs to do what that hasn't been recorded in a bug) We should assign people to the open items.



  • Google announced V4 of the safebrowsing api. No actions currently needed. Firefox adds support for it in bug 1167038.
  • Google API key for Safe Browsing. Ewong/Callek about getting it loaded onto the build machines.
    • Per bug 903439#c10, ewong has a Google API key (stating that for Geolocation service). Safe Browsing keys are on the builders according to ewong. The build configs are currently being reviewed.
  • IanN has spoken to mcsmurf about members list. Members mailing-list and council appointments are ready to be reviewed.
    • TODO: Add Adrian Kalla to RelEng team. Overall no change as of today
  • IanN SeaMonkey project areas is very outdated. IanN is planning to circulate a new version of the project areas later today for comment.
  • frg suggests a tabbrowser.xml overhaul because it's becoming harder to backport fixes from Firefox.
    • IanN suggests doing small patches which are easier to review.


Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree

  • Various Bugs open for building.
    • OSX64: busted due to bug 1260362. Yasm 1.2 needs to be installed.
    • Linux64 Nightly: bug 1275215 is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
    • Linux64 build: bug 1275218 is still open but Linux is building most of the time.
    • Windows building on the loaner works.
    • Various l10n and other bugs bug 1293943 which might also impact the release schedule. Currently no clear overview available.
  • [13th September 2016]
    • All nightlies are currently running (but patch is manually applied to master) (bug 1299078)
    • [comm-central]:
      • Linux*/Windows: Green
      • OSX64: Orange.
    • [comm-aurora]:
    • [comm-beta]
      • Pretty much green/orange.
    • [comm-release]:
      • Bustage due to c-b not having yet been merged.
  • Notes:
    • Callek: Regarding the windows systems, sadly no progress yet. I'm hopeful we can get done sooner than later, I'm realistic expecting it won't be any time soon.
    • Ewong will set up a cron job to do semi regular builds on the loaner machine. He is still unable to set a timeframe for the next release. The moco build system is constantly changing. The MAC builders can be updated to OSX 10.9. He needs to consult with Callek first about this. He has trouble building the Windows version on the loaner.
    • Windows nightly trunk builds are unavailable due to various bugs such as bug 1092468 and bug 1108970. Migrating our Windows builders to Win2008 and our compiler toolchain to VS2015 would likely solve this and other bustages. Ewong made substantial progress here and building works on the loaner.
    • There are also some upcoming changes to l10n build system in Q1 2015 (bug 1107635).
    • Langpacks aren't updated when auto-updating SeaMonkey because they aren't uploaded to AMO. The solution requires changes in SeaMonkey RelEng (and possibly AMO).
    • wrt bug 1155011, we already have a Soccoro token. The patches on bug 1155013 require approval and then pushed and the work-around patches backed out.
  • See RelEng page for the RelEng status history.

Fixed Stuff Since Last Meeting

  • debugQA has been updated and is now at 2.0.0. The obsolete items were removed. See bug 1258226.
  • bug 1240798 Copy default profile files to new profiles since Bug 1234012 stopped doing that for us has been fixed.

Release Train

  • Next release will be 2.45 (no ETA yet), tracked in bug 1294433
    • Release notes in bug 1294432 need helping hands.
    • IanN will give ewong the cSets for building 2.45.
    • Setting the default search engine no longer works. This is covered in bug 1265881 and will not be fixed for 2.45. It needs to be added to the release notes.
    • bug 1231349 will cause problems building l10n versions. Currently only a workaround exists.
    • gtk3 will be disabled in the release build in bug 1213152. There are at least two problems with gtk3 builds which can not be resolved in time. A patch for gtk2 should be trivial. It just has to land on comm-release prior to building. A one-liner for each mozconfig if we do not have a common one.

See bug 1269145 and bug 1267982.

  • Backup plan in case we need it is to do some releases off comm-esr45 (comm-esr52 coming up soon). These would be 2.42.x (2.49.x) releases. No current plans until Mozilla suddenly removes full theme support or anything else which would severely break SeaMonkey. Becomes more unlikely with ESR52 on the horizon (upcoming cycle).
    • Patches which do not concern Thunderbird could be checked into comm-esr52 (once established) after getting approval too.
    • Thunderbird solved l10n issues with their 49.0 beta, hopefully that procedure is transplantable to SeaMonkey.
  • Useful Firefox Release Schedule link: Releases Scheduling
    • The next merge day is scheduled for September 12th19th now (delayed per [1], mozilla-beta → mozilla-release has merged already September 5th with subsequent uplifts).

Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking

  • Firefox plans to disallow all NPAPI plugins other than Flash with Gecko 52 (bug 1269807, [2], [3]).
    • at least m-r builds will receive a run-time check ignoring (i.e., not loading) all plugins other than Flash.
    • exception is the m-esr52 branch which will not perform this check (other than Win64 platforms per bug 1165981).
    • Seamonkey might release a 2.49 ESR build based on FF 52 ESR code. Nothing decided yet.
    • any workarounds or code in dom/plugins specific to other plugins may be subsequently removed.
  • See Basics page. Please only list current changes here.
  • Addons are now compatible by default. The code in the addon manager that complains about incompatible version numbers has been removed. This should reduce the friction of installing older addons.
  • Addon Compatibility Listings (outdated), alternative list started (currently Rainer Bielefeld is the only active maintainer)
  • We are looking for a new place to host the Addon Compatibility Listings for the Add-on Converter in order to make it easy to maintain and to serve as the main database for the AMO browsing extension in the future. The details are in this post.
  • Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey
    This tool goes a little further beyond simply modifying install.rdf - it also identifies a few more other things in the code that are Firefox or Thunderbird specific and attempts to change them. Of course, not all extensions can be ported so easily to SeaMonkey since there's only so much an automated tool like that can do.
    • Lemon Juice continues to improve his already impressive Addon Converter. The source is now available on GitHub [4].
    • We are looking for a better(?) home for extension-converter pages, along with a way to track successful and conversion-failed add-ons, and respective integration into SeaMonkey by add-on or manager overlay [5], bug 1145026.
    • Ratty filed bug 1130390 to add a link on to the Firefox & Thunderbird Add-on Converter for SeaMonkey.
  • The AMO Browsing for SeaMonkey extension, which makes AMO pages a lot more SeaMonkey-friendly, is mature. It was developed by LemonJuice (of Add-on Converter fame), and Tonymec, who tested it and now uses it, supports it enthusiastically. The author proposes to add it as a "built-in extension" besides ChatZilla, DOMi and the like. What do you think? (See also Bug 1145026: AMO Add-On-Descriptions: Add link function leading to SeaMonkey add-on-converter and filling URL input pane; the extension actually does much more than the bug's Summary implies: for instance it gets rid of the stupid "You need Firefox 10 or later" popups.
  • The HTML Validator extension has been updated on June 28 and again (but Beta) on July 2. The Beta version is no more Windows-only: it boasts support for W32/64, L32/64 and Mac 32/64 Universal in a single XPI. It does not officially support trunk builds but in Tonymec's experience it works with them (or at least with the "latest" 2016-06-25 tinderbox-build). It offers a choice of validators: Tidy, SGML (same algorithm as the W3C validator but client-side) or both. Caveat: The toolbar button gives no results for HTML5, you need View Source for that. See the developer's site for details.
    • Some warning messages might be caused by improper toolkit checking for disabled signing. See bug 1291749.

2.x (Last, Current, Next)

2.40 current release

open tracking (0) tracking requests (5) targeted (0) fixed (14)

2.41 skipped

open tracking (0) tracking requests (8) targeted (0) fixed (26)

2.42 skipped

open tracking (0) tracking requests (8) targeted (1) fixed (21)

2.43 skipped

open tracking (0) tracking requests (5) targeted (0) fixed (10)

2.44 skipped

open tracking (0) tracking requests (3) targeted (1) fixed (22)

2.45 planned (and hopefully also for real) next release

open tracking (1) tracking requests (1) targeted (1) fixed (14)

2.46 planned upcoming release

open tracking (0) tracking requests (0) targeted (1) fixed (22)


  • We need someone to work on porting sync 1.5 over to replace legacy sync code. Frg was distracted by other bugs and tasks and didn't look into it yet.
    See: New Firefox Sync has landed in Firefox Nightly. Tracked in:
    • bug 998807 Sync account creation or device pairing fails with exception in BrowserIDManager.
    • bug 1003434 Add support for about:sync-progress.
  • Stalled. Needs a kick:
    • bug 815954 Click-to-Play: Port bug 812562 (click-to-play blocklisted plugins: reshow urlbar notification as with normal click-to-play).
    • bug 476108 GetShortPathNameW fails under some NTFS junctions [patchlove].
  • Landed, but may need server-side changes to function correctly:
    • bug 1274722 Add %SYSTEM_CAPABILITIES% to the SeaMonkey app.update.url preference
    • bug 1271761 Add CPU features/detection to update URL
  • Current breakages):
    • bug 1300547 Form Autocomplete broken by bug 1294502. See also bug 1296338.
    • bug 1299920 'release weak references in the IMAP protocol on the main thread' causes problems with IMAP in Nightly and debug builds until fixed starting with 2.48a1.
  • Mozilla-central bugs that affect us:
    • Firefox has changed the styles of several Toolkit pages to their "in-content" designs which however look very out of place in our current classic and modern themes.
        • Subsequent to Chameleon, Firefox developers have again redesigned the about:privatebrowsing UI to include UI for tracking protection. We should look into picking any changes we like.
      • about:addons yet to come bug 1222817
      • Toolkit meta bug for about:* pages: bug 1097111 - SeaMonkey tracking in bug 1133743.
      • Modern may need updating as IDs are changing, Default needs forking if we want to roll back to previous styles.
    • A lot of these bugs are due to mozilla-central switching from synchronous APIs to Asynchronous APIs.
    • bug 566746 (asyncFormHistory) Form history should use asynchronous storage API. Tracked in:
      • bug 912031 Use Asynchronous FormHistory.jsm in place of nsIFormHistory2 in Suite. Currently being worked on by IanN.
    • The C++ downloads manager backend nsIDownloadManager is being decommissioned. Firefox and Thunderbird have migrated to jsdownloads.
    • bug 825588 Asynchronous JavaScript API for downloads and bug 851471 Decommission nsIDownloadManager. Tracked in:
      • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. frg is currently looking into the patch from Neil.
    • The SSL/TLS Preference Pane has been updated to offer TLS 1.3 (bug 1267631).
      • There is still considerable activity in TLS 1.3 core work. This will ride the release train, thus allowing users to enable it for testing, hopefully it'll be ready when trunk hits release.
      • security.tls.version.max remains 3 for TLS 1.2 for the time being. A test server [6] is available.
  • bug 1198340 The carousel within Add-On Manager can be used for SeaMonkey specific content. TO DO: Find out what sort of format AMO needs for the carousel. Get our webdev person to create necessary content. Submit content for upload to AMO.
    • Unfortunately nobody knows exactly how because there's no full time developer working on AMO. Ratty was given bug 1009759 as an example. So now we need someone who knows python+django.
    • About specific aspects of this problem, see: bug 1230796, bug 1230804, bug 1230806 and maybe more.
    • [Ratty] The url for the discovery pane is set in a pref. Firefox has switched to https://discovery.addons. Instantbird points the URL to a chrome XUL document. If we do this we don't have to worry about the python stuff. The new Firefox discovery page will not serve up featured addons for SeaMonkey so we are sticking with services.* at least until they stop serving that up.
  • [Ratty] made some progress to fix bug 1222817 - Restore about:addons UI (Addons Manager) to old appearance. He found some useful ideas from the CSS in but currently doesn't have the time to continue.
  • [Ratty] will look at bug 995095 'Move the nsPlacesAutocomplete component to Suite'.
  • bug 1300198 Move list.txt over to JSON once bug 1276739 will likely break search engines and needs to be looked at.
  • [frg] suggested to match SeaMonkeys minor version number with then one from Firefox in a future release. This need to be looked into first because some external releng or other stuff might rely on the -3 version offset.

Feature List, Planning

Bug statistics for the last two (full) weeks: 20 new, 18 fixed, 11 triaged.

  • medium triaging effort, lower than average number of new bugs files.

Open reviews/flags: 66 review 5 super-review 2 ui-review 14 feedback

  • x64 Linux and for the first time x64 Windows builds will be made official as soon as possible.
    • Unofficial Linux builds just need to be declared official.
    • Providing Windows x64 builds is tracked in bug 482143.
    • System Requirements needs an update. Tracked in bug 1208822.

Roundtable - Personal Status Updates

Ratty or IanN will handle review requests.

Status Updates from developers - what are you working on, what's the progress, any other comments? (feel free to add yourself to the list if your name is missing and you have interesting status).




  • Working on:
    • bug 1299010 - |make pkg tests| stage fails with No such file or directory: '/builds/slave/c-cen-t-osx64/build/objdir/i386/i386'


Waiting for review or feedback:

  • bug 1240798 Copy default profile files to new profiles since Bug 1234012 stopped doing.
  • bug 1282227 Port Bug 1071880 and Bug 1142937 to Seamonkey: Notifiy users of slow addons. Unable to test. Either not working or I am missing something.
  • bug 1293618 "Clear History from Private Data" completely broken (only test part left).
  • bug 1296839 Minor Tabbrowser.xml cleanups and changes.
  • bug 1296850 Show standard loading indicator images in tab when busy or progress attribute are set. Need some opinions if to continue or shelve it.

Needs feedback.

  • bug 1285798 Look for favicon.ico in Seamonkey by default if website defines no favicon. Needs some final feedback for the string.

Working on:

  • bug 521861 After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard is broken.
  • bug 1256724 Update The Data Manager, and the Cookie Viewer so as to treat backspace and delete equivalently on Mac OS X. Took over the bug. Need to figure out some backspace problems in cookieviewer
  • bug 1238767 Localized Suite build fails in DebugQA: Stalled. I think the l10 build system might be responsible and tries to pick up files from the wrong location. Adrian Kalla thinks I need to do an l10 merge only. I disagree because the xpi only explicitly supports en-US builds.
  • bug 888915 Move SeaMonkey to the new JavaScript API for downloads when nsIDownloadManager is decommissioned. Unbitrotted the patch and did some changes but get sidetracked by other things quite often so didn't took over oficially :)
  • This and that.


  • Nasty webm problem in 2.44 and up: bug 1279851 CRASH when benchmarking webm decoding performance on YouTube page.
  • No time for Sync at the moment.

Other things on my mind:

  • --enable-optimize=-O2 should be used for Windows release builds. Linux gcc --enable-optimize optimizes for speed. With VS2015 it optimizes for size. Resulting O2 Windows build feels a lot snappier.
  • bug 1244467 Localized Builds: ChatZilla language pack missing from SeaMonkey installer package will not be fixed by bug 1210791. mozmake installer under Windows includes the l10n xpi in local builds. Adrian posted a build log and I looked at it. Seems to be l10n-merge related.









Rainer Bielefeld



Pushed to comm-central:

Landed on branches:

  • bug 1286703 On reply to a own sent email the original sender identity is not chosen if other than the account default identity
  • bug 1292364 Since jsmime.js, no longer possible to use Disposition-Notification-To in mail.compose.other.header

Waiting for review:

  • bug 1287753 In-Reply-To: and References: should be removed from mail saved as Template

Looking into:

  • bug 1296433 Improve button appearance in about:support UI (Troubleshooting Information) with the default theme
  • bug 493217 add UI pref for media.autoplay.enabled
    • not exactly clear where this is supposed to go

Performing ui-review:


  • Bug triage, testing, and commenting for SeaMonkey and MailNews Core.
  • End-user information and discussion on MozillaZine.




Any other business?